The great casino drive has been retired

[toussaud]

I know it's a sad day for horse racing, they were planning on running him in the Arc-Classic-Japan Dirt Cup this year but because of a nagging thing called form they chose to retire him

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloodstock/casino-drive-retired-will-stand-in-japan/

I don't think a horse has ever milked a grade 2 win more than this horse.

[Tom]

First the Green Monkey, now this. Crap.

[Spalding No!]

I know it's a sad day for horse racing, they were planning on running him in the Arc-Classic-Japan Dirt Cup this year but because of a nagging thing called form they chose to retire him

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloodstock/casino-drive-retired-will-stand-in-japan/

I don't think a horse has ever milked a grade 2 win more than this horse.

Gotta blame the connections for the ringer they put that colt through. Even if he had the talent, he wasn't prepared for any of the things they asked him to do.

Any racing he did this season was moot. He bowed a tendon at some point last year.

[OTM Al]

Gotta blame the connections for the ringer they put that colt through. Even if he had the talent, he wasn't prepared for any of the things they asked him to do.

Any racing he did this season was moot. He bowed a tendon at some point last year.

He was prepared for the Belmont, which given what happened to Big Brown, he may well have won.

[Spalding No!]

He was prepared for the Belmont, which given what happened to Big Brown, he may well have won.

Nice try. Yeah, he was well prepared.

Considering he was scratched from the Belmont for unsoundness, Casino Drive may have been further back then Big Brown at the finish.

[OTM Al]

Nice try. Yeah, he was well prepared.

Considering he was scratched from the Belmont for unsoundness, Casino Drive may have been further back then Big Brown at the finish.

He had bruised his foot. It was not a soundness issue and the JRA people waited til that morning to scratch, though when I talked to one of them the night before, it was pretty clear he was out. They were very upset about it.

[Spalding No!]

He had bruised his foot. It was not a soundness issue and the JRA people waited til that morning to scratch, though when I talked to one of them the night before, it was pretty clear he was out. They were very upset about it.

A bruised foot is a soundness issue. The horse was suppose to breeze the Wednesday before the Belmont and was pulled up soon after breaking off. The following day he allegedly breezed (an unrecognized 4f in :57), but was noted to look very uncomfortable (ie unsound) while swapping leads a number of times. The following day he was kept in the barn because he walked off in shedrow. The morning of the race, he was excercised on the track, but cooled out at the barn off on the left hind.

In addition, the horse didn't run again for another 4 months.

[toussaud]

A bruised foot is a soundness issue. The horse was suppose to breeze the Wednesday before the Belmont and was pulled up soon after breaking off. The following day he allegedly breezed (an unrecognized 4f in :57), but was noted to look very uncomfortable (ie unsound) while swapping leads a number of times. The following day he was kept in the barn because he walked off in shedrow. The morning of the race, he was excercised on the track, but cooled out at the barn off on the left hind.

In addition, the horse didn't run again for another 4 months.
not necesarily. A bruised foot CAN be a soundness issue. it can imply that the horse is flat footed meaning the frog is more easily messed with then the avg horse. it can also mean he stepped on a nail or anything else that a horse can get into in the backstretch.

[Spalding No!]

not necesarily. A bruised foot CAN be a soundness issue. it can imply that the horse is flat footed meaning the frog is more easily messed with then the avg horse. it can also mean he stepped on a nail or anything else that a horse can get into in the backstretch.

Whatever the cause, any horse suffering from a bruised foot is technically unsound.

And certainly, in the specific case of Casino Drive prior to the Belmont, it was a soundness issue if we go by what was reported by the connections and the turf press.

[OTM Al]

Whatever you want to call it, but I'd much rather he at least had a shot to beat Da Jazilmeyer on Ice, if you get my drift. At least he'd done something and had potential for better

[Spalding No!]

Whatever you want to call it, but I'd much rather he at least had a shot to beat Da Jazilmeyer on Ice, if you get my drift. At least he'd done something and had potential for better

Never downplayed the horse's talent, merely blamed the connections for keeping him from reaching his potential.

The Belmont would have been a tall order for him regardless of how good he was anyways. What horse has won the Belmont within 2 starts of breaking its maiden and having never raced beyond 9f?

In the modern era, I found Stage Door Johnny and that's about it.

[keithw84]

Never downplayed the horse's talent, merely blamed the connections for keeping him from reaching his potential.

The Belmont would have been a tall order for him regardless of how good he was anyways. What horse has won the Belmont within 2 starts of breaking its maiden and having never raced beyond 9f?

In the modern era, I found Stage Door Johnny and that's about it.


There was pretty much one reason people thought he had a shot: He was out of Better Than Honour.

[OTM Al]

There was pretty much one reason people thought he had a shot: He was out of Better Than Honour.

That and he won the Peter Pan on the same surface (a thing many seem to make a big deal about when it comes to the Belmont) and the rest of the field other than Big Brown stunk. Point is he wasn't running against world beaters here. Da Tara couldn't even win a money allowance the rest of his career. He wasn't a world beater to be sure, but there was no real competition after Big Brown came apart, so he didn't need to be great to win, just good. Besides, I like the fact that the JRA was willing to take a shot in bringing over and backing this guy rather than leaving him to run in Japan.

[gm10]

My memory is a bit rusty but didn't he step on a stone just before working at Belmont?

[Spalding No!]

There was pretty much one reason people thought he had a shot: He was out of Better Than Honour.

I know. He was a half-brother to Da Jazilmeyer On Ice.

[toussaud]

BTH is the ONLY reason I played man of iron in the BC marathon 2 years ago and I mean the only reason.

[Spalding No!]

BTH is the ONLY reason I played man of iron in the BC marathon 2 years ago and I mean the only reason.

First time lasix was probably a better reason.