Just Say No To God

[cj's dad]

VA Cemetery to Veterans: The Word "God," "Jesus" are Offensive, no Longer Allowed (http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/06/va-cemetery-to-veterans-word-god-jesus.html)

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The Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers alike that they can no longer use the word "God,""God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or condolence cards. The word has been deemed 'offensive.'

More here:


http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/06/va-cemetery-to-veterans-word-god-jesus.html

[HUSKER55]

Just when you thought there was no way things could get worse.

[DJofSD]

PC run amok.

How crazy is this shit? A country that was founded, in part, by those seeking freedom of religion is now so backwards that expressing the name of a religion's deity is prohibited.

Does this apply to Allah? Mohammed? Budha?

[cj's dad]

Just when you thought there was no way things could get worse.

Husker 55- AN OPTOMIST IS A PERSON WHO FALLS OFF THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING AND AFTER 50 FLOORS SAYS, "SO FAR, SO GOOD"

Reminds me of the time I was voted into the local Optimist club and voted out the same night. After the swearing in ceremony, I stated to the members,
"Thanks, I was sure I would be turned down" :D

[BlueShoe]

Sacrilege. Lets see what happens when the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars openly defies this edict, along with a whole lot of their supporters.

[Tom]

PC run amok.

How crazy is this shit? A country that was founded, in part, by those seeking freedom of religion is now so backwards that expressing the name of a religion's deity is prohibited.

Does this apply to Allah? Mohammed? Budha?

The country our FF created is not one we line in today. It died of a cancer - liberalism. We need to cut out the damaged tissues and re-found. This is why I am 100% in dissolving the Union and letting the various states enter into sensible agreements with like-minded states. That suck for the anchors, who will not find many states willing to be blood-sucked.

[mostpost]

Here is a more balanced story from a legitimate news source.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7630537.html
The Chapel is closed due to construction and will reopen in the fall.
It appears that the director, Arleen Ocasio did interfere with religious speech on several occasions, but it is unclear whether this was official VA policy or misguided actions on her part.
I suspect the latter.
Certainly interfering with personal religious sentiment is wrong and should not be allowed. Certainly there is a place for prayer and for a chapel at any cemetery even one run by the government. I believe there is a chapel on Capitol Hill and I know that Congress begins each day with an invocation.

[cj's dad]

Here is a more balanced story from a legitimate news source.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7630537.html
The Chapel is closed due to construction and will reopen in the fall.
It appears that the director, Arleen Ocasio did interfere with religious speech on several occasions, but it is unclear whether this was official VA policy or misguided actions on her part.
I suspect the latter.
Certainly interfering with personal religious sentiment is wrong and should not be allowed. Certainly there is a place for prayer and for a chapel at any cemetery even one run by the government. I believe there is a chapel on Capitol Hill and I know that Congress begins each day with an invocation.

http://images.chron.com/photos/2009/06/10/new-chron-green/new-chron-green.gif
(http://www.chron.com/) Houston & Texas News (http://www.chron.com/metro)

Legitimate ? :lol::lol:

[NJ Stinks]

Husker 55- AN OPTOMIST IS A PERSON WHO FALLS OFF THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING AND AFTER 50 FLOORS SAYS, "SO FAR, SO GOOD"

Reminds me of the time I was voted into the local Optimist club and voted out the same night. After the swearing in ceremony, I stated to the members,
"Thanks, I was sure I would be turned down" :D




:lol: :lol:

[cj's dad]

Here is a more balanced story from a legitimate news source.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7630537.html
The Chapel is closed due to construction and will reopen in the fall.
It appears that the director, Arleen Ocasio did interfere with religious speech on several occasions, but it is unclear whether this was official VA policy or misguided actions on her part.
I suspect the latter.
Certainly interfering with personal religious sentiment is wrong and should not be allowed. Certainly there is a place for prayer and for a chapel at any cemetery even one run by the government. I believe there is a chapel on Capitol Hill and I know that Congress begins each day with an invocation.

from the article:

Congressman John Culberson, U.S. Representative of Texas District 7, took it upon himself to go undercover at a recent military hero’s funeral and found the truth. He personally witnessed censorship of freedom of speech and freedom of religion at the funerals of our veterans.


http://biggovernment.com/mlancaster/2011/07/23/texas-congressman-goes-undercover-at-houston-national-cemetery/

[LottaKash]

Here is a more balanced story from a legitimate news source.
It appears that the director, Arleen Ocasio did interfere with religious speech on several occasions, but it is unclear whether this was official VA policy or misguided actions on her part.
I suspect the latter.
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Mostpost, you would've made a great PR man for, Hitler, Stalin or Mao....Burn the Bible and all the other books that inspire men to think more clearly and proper.......

Why should we worry ?...Mostie & his ilk, will give us all the balance that we need....Mostie, you and your types are virutally clueless of how a nation gets to become a "Totalitarian State"...It is happening right before our eyes, my eyes at least, and yet you still fail to see it.....They count on people just like you, to rationalize all these little things away so that YOU & YOURS, can give us the "real" balance on how things are or should be...

I believe that, if you lived in the neighborhoods of John Gotti or Al Capone, you would've been cheering for them as well, just because they gave Mama Martino, who lives in the neighborhood, some new furniture or something....What nice guys they were, even tho they were terrorizing the locals with their gangsterism...

Heil Hitler, Hail Comrade, or go Teflon Don, it is all the same....We now have gangsters in power, and they are crushing us, and negating our hard fought freedoms, bit by bit, and yet you fail to see it the way it really is.....You have a rationale for every seemingly little faux pas that the gangsters do unto this nation...Inch by inch and step by step, this nation is nearing the end of what once was, a great one... I see it slipping away fast, and people like you think that it is a natural course for a nation....Sad ...

Mostie you really think everything is ok.....yikes !

Arent' you afraid of a government that wants to have a say in every aspect of your life ?....Well, you should be....Unless people like you stop supporting these gangsters who want to "Rule You" rather than "Govern & Represent You", I am sad to say, there really is no hope for this nation any longer....They need you, and you are supporting them, they really need you as all of the great dictators once did, that is, until they get what they want, and then they will throw you away just as they have with the rest of us....

You should be outraged by all of this God issue, yet you still try to find this "balance"....It is an issue, that in time, that will affect you and yours as well....Get it....

[boxcar]

Mostpost, you would've made a great PR man for, Hitler, Stalin or Mao....Burn the Bible and all the other books that inspire men to think more clearly and proper.......

Why should we worry ?...Mostie & his ilk, will give us all the balance that we need....Mostie, you and your types are virutally clueless of how a nation gets to become a "Totalitarian State"...It is happening right before our eyes, my eyes at least, and yet you still fail to see it.....They count on people just like you, to rationalize all these little things away so that YOU & YOURS, can give us the "real" balance on how things are or should be...

I believe that, if you lived in the neighborhoods of John Gotti or Al Capone, you would've been cheering for them as well, just because they gave Mama Martino, who lives in the neighborhood, some new furniture or something....What nice guys they were, even tho they were terrorizing the locals with their gangsterism...

Heil Hitler, Hail Comrade, or go Teflon Don, it is all the same....We now have gangsters in power, and they are crushing us, and negating our hard fought freedoms, bit by bit, and yet you fail to see it the way it really is.....You have a rationale for every seemingly little faux pas that the gangsters do unto this nation...Inch by inch and step by step, this nation is nearing the end of what once was, a great one... I see it slipping away fast, and people like you think that it is a natural course for a nation....Sad ...

Mostie you really think everything is ok.....yikes !

Arent' you afraid of a government that wants to have a say in every aspect of your life ?....Well, you should be....Unless people like you stop supporting these gangsters who want to "Rule You" rather than "Govern & Represent You", I am sad to say, there really is no hope for this nation any longer....They need you, and you are supporting them, they really need you as all of the great dictators once did, that is, until they get what they want, and then they will throw you away just as they have with the rest of us....

You should be outraged by all of this God issue, yet you still try to find this "balance"....It is an issue, that in time, that will affect you and yours as well....Get it....

Excellent post! But Mosty isn't afraid of government. He, along with the rest of mankind, is deathly afraid of God -- most especially the God of the bible. Why do you think Mankind suppresses the truth about God in unrighteousness?

Rom 1:18-23
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
NASB

Totalitarian states cannot co-exist with competing moral authorities. This is why God is outlawed in such states. Democratic Socialist states, whose sympathies lie with Marxist political philosophy, share the same sentiments as their more rigid communist brethren because with both forms of government the State's ultimate goal is to control the masses, which means all manner of freedoms must eventually be stripped away, particularly freedom of religious expression. The only difference, currently, between the two is the degree of tyranny imposed and how much the people will tolerate. Therefore, Totalitarianism is a hard tyranny, whereas Socialism is "soft core" tyranny. This nation is already in this latter state but inching every year closer to hard core.

Many porno addicts started out with soft porn, only to eventually find that that they could no longer gain satisfaction from that. They sought the harder material, thinking it would bring them more pleasure, more happiness. Same way with drug addicts. Very many start out with the "entry level", innocuous" weed, only to find down the road that it no longer satisfied. And so it is with political systems. People, who are selfish by nature, will generally want the government to increase its power, thinking the bigger and more powerful government is, the more the state will give to the people. This is precisely why Socialism is sweeping the world. Godless leaders believe the answer to Man's problems is Man, not God. Therefore, in order for the wave of Socialism to grow bigger and more powerful and increase momentum across the globe God, in inverse proportion to that growth, must diminish in importance and scope and relevance. This is particularly true of biblical Christianity because Christianity is all about Freedom (Jn 8:32; Jer 15:11). Christianity is all about Christ setting his people free; whereas Communism, in all it various forms, is all about bringing people into bondage to the [godless] state. This is why God and Communism-Socialism are like oil and water.

Boxcar

[Robert Fischer]

everybody says their way is the one way, the way to freedom...

[boxcar]

everybody says their way is the one way, the way to freedom...

I don't have a way to freedom, but God says he does and he cannot lie (Tit 1:2).

Even this very thread gives affirmation to God's veracity given the passage I quoted in Romans 1. The whole world suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness -- even governments are eager to help make it easier for people by mandating restrictions in the public square!

Boxcar

[The Judge]

it seems like God had no trouble existing in Germany during Hitlers tenure in office, America during slavery , South Africa during all of apartheid.

God only seems to have trouble with a particular country or political policy when you have a problem with that same policy or government.

Amazing how you and God think so much alike.

[Actor]

VA Cemetery to Veterans: The Word "God," "Jesus" are Offensive, no Longer Allowed (http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/06/va-cemetery-to-veterans-word-god-jesus.html)

Quote-

The Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers alike that they can no longer use the word "God,""God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or condolence cards. The word has been deemed 'offensive.'

More here:


http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/06/va-cemetery-to-veterans-word-god-jesus.html

Then money is offensive. "In God we trust" is still on the quarter.

[boxcar]

it seems like God had no trouble existing in Germany during Hitlers tenure in office, America during slavery , South Africa during all of apartheid.

God only seems to have trouble with a particular country or political policy when you have a problem with that same policy or government.

Amazing how you and God think so much alike.

I wasn't talking about a generic god. Generic gods are alive and well. India, for example, worships many gods within their Hinduism, but Christians are generally hated there and Christian citizens in that country are persecuted. Christians are hated in Muslim countries, too. And Christianity is not welcome in any Communist country. So, what was your point again?

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Then money is offensive. "In God we trust" is still on the quarter.

Oh, no, money they love. It's just the little three letter word on the money that is offensive.

Boxcar

[The Judge]

about the same God. My point, as you well know , is that whether God is state speonered or not the counties the profess to believe in him practice the same immoral conduct as those that do not profess to believe in him. So where is the moral superiority.

boxcar
"Totalitarian states cannot co-exist with competing moral authorities. This is why God is outlawed in such states."

Govenments do all sorts of evil with the blessing of Gods representive on earth including Christianity. Totalitarian states can and do exist just fine with competing moral authories they just ignore them. This is true of all Governments.

[boxcar]

about the same God. My point, as you well know , is that whether God is state speonered or not the counties the profess to believe in him practice the same immoral conduct as those that do not profess to believe in him. So where is the moral superiority.

boxcar
"Totalitarian states cannot co-exist with competing moral authorities. This is why God is outlawed in such states."

Govenments do all sorts of evil with the blessing of Gods representive on earth including Christianity. Totalitarian states can and do exist just fine with competing moral authories they just ignore them. This is true of all Governments.

You're without a clue! Why do you raise the straw dummy of state-sponsored religion? This was never the issue. States' intolerance toward biblical Christianity is the issue. An example of same is the topic of this thread.

And no, Totalitarian States don't merely ignore Christians or churches. They persecute with a vengeance. Plenty of proof of this is available online. Even though modern Russia has a constitution that allows "religious freedom" (so-called), certain Christian sects still run into many problems over there, as do even certain cults, such as the JWs, Mormons, etc. The Russian government frowns heavily on religions that proselytize. On paper, there's religious freedom. But to the Russian state, the unofficial, unwritten religion to this day is still Atheism.

Boxcar

[The Judge]

your pharse not mine. Now you turn that into Russia sometimes does bad things to "Christians". While at the same time admitting that the Russian Government allows Christianity to be practiced(remember you said a totalitarian state couldn't allow such a practice.) "Moral authority" is ignored by all the governments not just the ones "you" deem as bad. Moral authority doesn't stand in the way of any government never has and never will.

China does bad things to Buddist do Buddist have any "moral authority" or is it just Christians? Christians aren't welcomed in certain Muslim countries, so what's new, that hasn't stopped Christians in the past, they come anyway.

"Certain" Christian sects run into trouble in Russia, guess what "certain" Christian sects run into trouble right here in the United States. The law books of the United States are full separation of church and state cases, who can marry whom and how many, Blue Laws (stores must close on Sunday) on and on.

What this is about is your backing right wing positions and then dragging God ,the Bible and Christianity in to back your incorrect right wing position.

The practice that was being complained about took place in TEXAS not Russia not under Communist/Socialism/Totalitarianism in TEXAS by a Christian of that I am sure.

[boxcar]

your pharse not mine. Now you turn that into Russia sometimes does bad things to "Christians". While at the same time admitting that the Russian Government allows Christianity to be practiced(remember you said a totalitarian state couldn't allow such a practice.) "Moral authority" is ignored by all the governments not just the ones "you" deem as bad. Moral authority doesn't stand in the way of any government never has and never will.

The allow it under very stringent rules.

http://star.dubroom.org/articles-religioninrussia.htm

And furthermore, "officially" speaking, Russia doesn't consider itself a totalitarian regime. But anyone with a half a brain in his head knows better.

China does bad things to Buddist do Buddist have any "moral authority" or is it just Christians? Christians aren't welcomed in certain Muslim countries, so what's new, that hasn't stopped Christians in the past, they come anyway.

So, you're all for a state (any state) persecuting religious people when it suits their purposes?

"Certain" Christian sects run into trouble in Russia, guess what "certain" Christian sects run into trouble right here in the United States. The law books of the United States are full separation of church and state cases, who can marry whom and how many, Blue Laws (stores must close on Sunday) on and on.

We've been down this road before. The U.S. is full of bad laws, including the SC's decision on "separation of church and state". It's not in the Constitution and never has been.

And I wasn't aware that there are any federal laws on the books mandating who can marry whom (unless you're referring to the prohibition of incestuous relationships, which are probably covered by state laws). (Are you for incestuous marriages, too?) Or are you gun-ho for polygamous relationships?
And I wasn't aware that there are any "blue laws" on the books prohibiting the opening of businesses on Sunday? Educate me.

What this is about is your backing right wing positions and then dragging God ,the Bible and Christianity in to back your incorrect right wing position.[/lquote]

I didn't drag God into this. The VA has dragged God out of funeral services. Very intolerant of the government, don't you think? Kind of tyrannical, right?
I would bet my last dollar that if it were a Muslim vet being buried, there would be no bans on mentioning or invoking Allah's name at the ceremony!

[quote]The practice that was being complained about took place in TEXAS not Russia not under Communist/Socialism/Totalitarianism in TEXAS by a Christian of that I am sure.

I was comparing the U.S. to practices that are enforced in totalitarian states.
Tyranny starts out soft core and gradually evolves into the hard stuff.

Now...back to my original point. The Romans 1 text I quoted says that mankind suppresses the truth about God, even though man knows intuitively and through creation that God exists. All I have said is that the U.S. is still hell-bent on removing every vestige of God out of the public square, therefore, accommodating and indeed even promoting that suppression of truth. Why would the U.S. government give a rat's rear end about whether God or Jesus Christ is mentioned at some VA's funeral service? What business is that of the government? Has the State become so threatened by God and His Son that the mere mention of their names creates a national security problem? :rolleyes:

With respect to competing moral authorities, yes, political-minded Evangelicals would most certainly offer competing moral views to socialist-leaning leftists. Far too many examples exist where the Left will glibly mouth off about being all about free speech -- and indeed they are, providing they're the ones doing the speaking! Hard core leftists fear Evangelicals as much as they do conservative talk show radio hosts (probably even more, since Evangelicals bring an added dimension to the table!) -- all for the same reason -- competing views. Why do you think the Left, to this day, keeps murmuring about bringing back the "fairness doctrine"?

So, yes, the Right and the Left, in this Constitutional Republic, are competing for votes, which is why the Left wants only its voice heard loud and strong. The Left alone wants to be the moral authority in the political arena.

Boxcar

[The Judge]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This article is about laws created to enforce strict moral standards.

"A blue law is a type of law, typically found in the United States and Canada, designed to enforce religious standards, particularly the observance of Sunday as a day of worship or rest, and a restriction on Sunday shopping."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

'Why would the government be concerned about the use of God at a funeral" I don't know. I have never been to a funeral, military or otherwise, where God wasn't mentioned and prayers not made, but of course I live in that hell hole San Francisco, California and this happened in Christianity's back yard Houston Texas. As far as I know it was only at this one place in Houston, Arleen Ocasio of the V.A decided to put a stop to the practice. I assume she is a Christian. So you tell me.

I can't speak for the Hard core left but why should "anyone" be afraid of Evangelist? Ohhhh, because when they answer the door they won't let them in their house. Well you might have a point there, but that's not just the "Hard Core Left" a lot of Christians won't let Evangelist in the palor either. Just as aside did it ever occur to you that some of the "Hard Core Left" might consider themselves Christian.

Well I know I will never get the last say. Unless there is something pressing in your reply or somethng new is added to this post I will only read the reply's

[boxcar]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
This article is about laws created to enforce strict moral standards.

"A blue law is a type of law, typically found in the United States and Canada, designed to enforce religious standards, particularly the observance of Sunday as a day of worship or rest, and a restriction on Sunday shopping."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

I asked you for an example of businesses that are forced to close on Sundays. You came up empty as usual.

'Why would the government be concerned about the use of God at a funeral" I don't know. I have never been to a funeral, military or otherwise, where God wasn't mentioned and prayers not made, but of course I live in that hell hole San Francisco, California

Well, I'm glad you admitted it.

...and this happened in Christianity's back yard Houston Texas. As far as I know it was only at this one place in Houston, Arleen Ocasio of the V.A decided to put a stop to the practice. I assume she is a Christian.

Why would you assume that?

I can't speak for the Hard core left but why should "anyone" be afraid of Evangelist? Ohhhh, because when they answer the door they won't let them in their house. Well you might have a point there, but that's not just the "Hard Core Left" a lot of Christians won't let Evangelist in the palor either. Just as aside did it ever occur to you that some of the "Hard Core Left" might consider themselves Christian.

What kind of "Christian" would the Hard Core Left consider themselves, specifically? Anyone with even a nominal knowledge of the scriptures would run fast as they could from left wing Socialism.

Well I know I will never get the last say. Unless there is something pressing in your reply or somethng new is added to this post I will only read the reply's

I will keep you in my prayers so that the City on the Bay doesn't doesn't come under God's judgment during your lifetime. ;)