Truth-O-Meter dogs another con ...

[Sugar Ron]

First it was Mutt "47th out of 50" Romney who got EXPOSED.

Now that little missy from Minn must face the music.

Hilarious exchange between her and Schieffer on Face the Nation yesterday:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/jun/27/schieffer-asks-bachmann-about-her-record-accuracy/


"Again, I have to say, Congresswoman, I asked you a question and you -- to my knowledge, I don't believe you answered it."


BUSTED, Shell ... LMAO

But don't worry ... you'll be just fine since most cons couldn't care less about facts...

[bigmack]

Somebody throw SugRon a lollipop. His diaper is soiled again.

[ArlJim78]

what's your truth-o-meter reading on Obama?
let me guess, he buried the needle right?

[mostpost]

Somebody throw SugRon a lollipop. His diaper is soiled again.
Once again you ignore the substance and resort to insults. We should star a pool on when you will post something substantial. I reserve December of 2199.

[Sugar Ron]

I love when loud-mouth cons get exposed, Big Mac.

Shelly was 1 for 23 against that Meter.

If she was a horse, she'd be running in the second at Chuck Town tonight ... LMAO.

[mostpost]

From the Face The Nation/Politifact link:
Bachmann said Obama had issued only one drilling permit.
Fact: He has issued 270. 270 is more than one.
Bachmann said Obama released all the oil in the Strategic Reserve.
Fact: He released 30 Million barrels. There are 727 million barrels in the
reserve.

Bachmann is either
A.a liar
or
B. seriously uninformed

[bigmack]

Once again you ignore the substance and resort to insults.
Substance like Bobby Schieffer asking tough questions of some and softballing others?

I could cite 10 instances where Schieffer told outright lies. Let alone many lies on the part of BO. So what.

You want me to take Schieffer/SugRon & you with a 'gotcha' moment seriously? :lol: :lol:

[riskman]

Obama , who is the President has a long list of broken promises but I guess that does not count.
One of his promises was supporting human missions to the moon by 2020 before a trip to Mars and other planets.This cannot come soon enough. Obama should step up the program for a launch before 2012 with himself as the #1 crew member.Faintly in the backround I hear a countdown.

.

[Robert Goren]

On his best day Obama could not hold a candle to Bachmann or that matter most of the GOP presidential hopefuls in the lying department. The GOP seems to think if you repeat a lie like the off shore oil drilling permit lie or the birth certificate lie often enough, people will start to believe you. What happen instead is they start to believe it themselves and get all flustered when called on it. They blame everybody but themselves when they get caught.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Substance like Bobby Schieffer asking tough questions of some and softballing others?

I could cite 10 instances where Schieffer told outright lies. Let alone many lies on the part of BO. So what.

You want me to take Schieffer/SugRon & you with a 'gotcha' moment seriously? :lol: :lol:

Please do. Thanks.

[Robert Goren]

Obama , who is the President has a long list of broken promises but I guess that does not count.
One of his promises was supporting human missions to the moon by 2020 before a trip to Mars and other planets.This cannot come soon enough. Obama should step up the program for a launch before 2012 with himself as the #1 crew member.Faintly in the backround I hear a countdown.

. Are the republicans willing to vote the money to fund that? Name me one republican congressman or senator who is willing to raise taxes to do it.

[mostpost]

Substance like Bobby Schieffer asking tough questions of some and softballing others?

I could cite 10 instances where Schieffer told outright lies. Let alone many lies on the part of BO. So what.

You want me to take Schieffer/SugRon & you with a 'gotcha' moment seriously? :lol: :lol:
we're waiting.

[HUSKER55]

if we are talking DC politics then the first thing we have to do is establish the truth. they are all liars!

[serp]

Why is it, when faced with the fact that someone has lied, the defense is to point out someone else as a liar? Does that excuse the lies?

[Sugar Ron]

Gets even funnier (or perhaps I should say scarier)

Just took a peek at Shell's educational background...

[Saratoga_Mike]

Gets even funnier (or perhaps I should say scarier)

Just took a peek at Shell's educational background...

Yeah, that LLM in Tax from William and Mary is a real joke. :rolleyes:

[ArlJim78]

Why is it, when faced with the fact that someone has lied, the defense is to point out someone else as a liar? Does that excuse the lies?
no but the libs who have stood by and said nothing about Obama's lies have no standing to challenge anyone else's statements. they can't come around and suddenly feign to be concerned about the truth. Obama lied directly to the American public about important issues on numerous occasions.

[toetoe]

First it was Mutt "47th out of 50" Romney who got EXPOSED.

Now that little missy from Minn must face the music.


BUSTED, Shell ... LMAO





I have no huge problem with the misogyny; it makes the world go round. However, why must this guy always go racial ? I guess it gives Shuga a tingle in his buga-wuga. Or maybe he hates Mormons ... :confused:

[Tom]

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, Obama has done little but lie since Day 1.

[Robert Goren]

no but the libs who have stood by and said nothing about Obama's lies have no standing to challenge anyone else's statements. they can't come around and suddenly feign to be concerned about the truth. Obama lied directly to the American public about important issues on numerous occasions. Typical GOP response. They are never want to talk about their lies. They just want to Obama's. There is a difference between not being able to keep a campaign promise and misstating a fact. The strange thing about Obama's unkept campaign promises that the GOP is aways bitching about is that they were never in favor of most of them in the first place. Show me a republican who keep all of Obama's unkept liberal campaign promises and I will vote for him. It not the thought of a republican of not keeping his campaign promises, but thought that he might actually keep them.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, Obama has done little but lie since Day 1.

Please call out his lies. If he's done nothing but lie since day 1, could you please list 15 of those lies?

Remember predicting where unemployment and growth is going to fall out from a flawed economic strategy isn't a lie. And changing one's policy positions isn't lying either.

[ElKabong]

From the Face The Nation/Politifact link:
Bachmann said Obama had issued only one drilling permit.
Fact: He has issued 270. 270 is more than one.
Bachmann said Obama released all the oil in the Strategic Reserve.
Fact: He released 30 Million barrels. There are 727 million barrels in the
reserve.

Bachmann is either
A.a liar
or
B. seriously uninformed

What, you didn't see where Getmo was closed as promised?

[ElKabong]

Typical GOP response. They are never want to talk about their lies. They just want to Obama's. There is a difference between not being able to keep a campaign promise and misstating a fact. The strange thing about Obama's unkept campaign promises that the GOP is aways bitching about is that they were never in favor of most of them in the first place. Show me a republican who keep all of Obama's unkept liberal campaign promises and I will vote for him. It not the thought of a republican of not keeping his campaign promises, but thought that he might actually keep them.

Typical Dem response. When will any one of you stand up and be proud of Obama's record as preznit? You know, close Getmo, withdraw from Iraq, film the healthcare negotitations and shit like that.

The whip has been reversed. Deal with it. Either defend Obama or admit he's a failure

[Saratoga_Mike]

What, you didn't see where Getmo was closed as promised?

Absurd. Larry Lindsey was fired for saying the Iraq war would cost up to $200 bb. The Bush camp said it would not. Well we know now it cost well north of $200 bb (from start to GWB's exit). So does that make the Bush camp a bunch of liars about the cost of the war? I'm sure Michael Moore would say yes, but I would say absolutely not. They were just wrong. Things didn't go according to plan. Post-invasion planning was crappy, just as Obama's "post Gitmo" planning was crappy (fantasy).

[HUSKER55]

SO CHANGING STRATEGY IS NOT A LIE AND RESPONDING DIFFERENTLY AS SAID ISN'T A LIE EITHER.


TYPICAL POLITICIAN.


i HAVE NO BELIEFS AND I HAVE NO STRATEGY THEREFORE EVERYTHING I DO IS CORRECT.

[ElKabong]

Absurd. Larry Lindsey was fired for saying the Iraq war would cost up to $200 bb. The Bush camp said it would not. Well we know now it cost well north of $200 bb (from start to GWB's exit). So does that make the Bush camp a bunch of liars about the cost of the war? I'm sure Michael Moore would say yes, but I would say absolutely not. They were just wrong. Things didn't go according to plan. Post-invasion planning was crappy, just as Obama's "post Gitmo" planning was crappy (fantasy).

So we didn't close Getmo as promised? Somebody lied. Who would that be??

[Saratoga_Mike]

SO CHANGING STRATEGY IS NOT A LIE AND RESPONDING DIFFERENTLY AS SAID ISN'T A LIE EITHER.


TYPICAL POLITICIAN.


i HAVE NO BELIEFS AND I HAVE NO STRATEGY THEREFORE EVERYTHING I DO IS CORRECT.

You consider changing strategy a lie? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. What if facts and circumstances change? When Bush debated Gore he scoffed at the prospect of nation-building (rightfully so), but what did Iraq turn into? Nation-building. Does that make GWB a liar? Of course not.

[Saratoga_Mike]

So we didn't close Getmo as promised? Somebody lied. Who would that be??

So who in the Bush camp lied about the cost of Iraq? No one.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Sadly, we need this:

Lie:
noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Obama had every intention of closing Gitmo when he was campaigning. Was that incredibly naive? Ignorant? Fantasyland? Yes, yes and yes. But it wasn't a lie, as it was he intent when he said it.

[ElKabong]

So who in the Bush camp lied about the cost of Iraq? No one.

Sounds like you won't vote for Bush in 2012. To that end, I won't vote for Obama in 2012.

Too many lies

Too many failed promises

The economy is deeper in the shitter as we go

Unemployment at 9%, effectively much higher

Misery Index at Jimmy Carter levels.

Me? I miss GWB. Obama has been a dismal failure. Otherwise we'd be hearing the praises from his flock instead of "yeah well Bush sucked too".

Change in 2012. I like the sound of it
.

[Robert Goren]

Typical Dem response. When will any one of you stand up and be proud of Obama's record as preznit? You know, close Getmo, withdraw from Iraq, film the healthcare negotitations and shit like that.

The whip has been reversed. Deal with it. Either defend Obama or admit he's a failure Obama kept the one promise that mattered to me. He passed health care. It didn't go as far as I liked but it is still something. That alone makes him a success in my book. I have no doubt that if McCain had been elected he would not have done anything to stop the insurance companies from screwing people like one of them did to me. Now the GOP wants to repeal it so in 2014 they can keep right on screwing people. Not one republican has come up a plan that to stop them from what they did to me.

[JustRalph]

Check out this video on YouTube:

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[Rookies]

Personally, I thought Ed Rollins had nailed it in his summation of Michelle v.s. Sarah( notwithstanding JRs vigorous opposition ;) ), but now...:confused:

and you gotta get your 'John Wayne's' down correctly if you're not going to be buried alive...

The Duke or Gacy, which is it Michelle, easy to mess that one up :lol:

[Tom]

Please call out his lies. If he's done nothing but lie since day 1, could you please list 15 of those lies?

Remember predicting where unemployment and growth is going to fall out from a flawed economic strategy isn't a lie. And changing one's policy positions isn't lying either.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

[Tom]

Sadly, we need this:

Lie:
noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Obama had every intention of closing Gitmo when he was campaigning. Was that incredibly naive? Ignorant? Fantasyland? Yes, yes and yes. But it wasn't a lie, as it was he intent when he said it.

2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/car) was a lie that deceived no one.

3. an inaccurate or false statement.

[NJ Stinks]

Obama kept the one promise that mattered to me. He passed health care. It didn't go as far as I liked but it is still something. That alone makes him a success in my book. I have no doubt that if McCain had been elected he would not have done anything to stop the insurance companies from screwing people like one of them did to me. Now the GOP wants to repeal it so in 2014 they can keep right on screwing people. Not one republican has come up a plan that to stop them from what they did to me.

I went to a funeral last week. The husband wasn't even cremated yet and his wife was worried sick about her and her kids losing their health insurance coverage since her deceased husband had secured their health insurance policy through his job. (She works part-time and has no job benefits.)

Sure must be horrible living in Canada or the UK and not thinking twice about affording health insurance for your family when you husband dies. :liar:

[newtothegame]

Why is it, when faced with the fact that someone has lied, the defense is to point out someone else as a liar? Does that excuse the lies?

Is this similiar to being told how terrible your administration is doing yet, continually pointing to a previous administration??? :lol:

[newtothegame]

Typical GOP response. They are never want to talk about their lies. They just want to Obama's. There is a difference between not being able to keep a campaign promise and misstating a fact. The strange thing about Obama's unkept campaign promises that the GOP is aways bitching about is that they were never in favor of most of them in the first place. Show me a republican who keep all of Obama's unkept liberal campaign promises and I will vote for him. It not the thought of a republican of not keeping his campaign promises, but thought that he might actually keep them.

Here;s a hint ...OBAMA is president!

Ohhh so he gets a pass for his campaign promises.....
Would you like to go through his mis-stating of facts?? How about the RECENT one where he WRONGLY gave a speech where he was speaking to the 10th mountian division claimed that he was proud to have given the medal of honor to a member NON posthumously? YET THE GUY DIED IN COMBAT AND HE (OBAMA DID GIVE IT AFTER DEATH)????

[newtothegame]

Please call out his lies. If he's done nothing but lie since day 1, could you please list 15 of those lies?

Remember predicting where unemployment and growth is going to fall out from a flawed economic strategy isn't a lie. And changing one's policy positions isn't lying either.

You are joking right?? :lol:

[newtothegame]

Obama kept the one promise that mattered to me. He passed health care. It didn't go as far as I liked but it is still something. That alone makes him a success in my book. I have no doubt that if McCain had been elected he would not have done anything to stop the insurance companies from screwing people like one of them did to me. Now the GOP wants to repeal it so in 2014 they can keep right on screwing people. Not one republican has come up a plan that to stop them from what they did to me.

I am really glad you have such LOW expectations of our president......
And we wonder why America is in trouble??? :bang:

[redshift1]

Personally, I thought Ed Rollins had nailed it in his summation of Michelle v.s. Sarah( notwithstanding JRs vigorous opposition ;) ), but now...:confused:

and you gotta get your 'John Wayne's' down correctly if you're not going to be buried alive...

The Duke or Gacy, which is it Michelle, easy to mess that one up :lol:

I'll give her a pass on the clown faux pas but including math and science in a theology class is just willfully silly.

[newtothegame]

I went to a funeral last week. The husband wasn't even cremated yet and his wife was worried sick about her and her kids losing their health insurance coverage since her deceased husband had secured their health insurance policy through his job. (She works part-time and has no job benefits.)

Sure must be horrible living in Canada or the UK and not thinking twice about affording health insurance for your family when you husband dies. :liar:

Yep NJ...you just have to love that healthcare overseas......

"The NHS is failing to treat elderly patients in England with care, dignity and respect, an official report says.

The Health Service Ombudsman came to the conclusion after carrying out an in-depth review of 10 cases.

The ombudsman, which deals with serious complaints against the NHS, said the patients - aged over 65 - suffered unnecessary pain, neglect and distress."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12464831

[NJ Stinks]

Yep NJ...you just have to love that healthcare overseas......

"The NHS is failing to treat elderly patients in England with care, dignity and respect, an official report says.

The Health Service Ombudsman came to the conclusion after carrying out an in-depth review of 10 cases.

The ombudsman, which deals with serious complaints against the NHS, said the patients - aged over 65 - suffered unnecessary pain, neglect and distress."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12464831

Righties are quick to point out the exceptions to the rule - as if the exceptions make the rule senseless.

Example: 1% of the people in CA collecting food stamp money are using the food stamp money to bet in casinos, etc. Hence, food stamps are bad public policy and because of this outrageous abuse needs to go.

Example: Some ridiculously small percentage of seniors in the UK don't always get adequate treatment/attention, etc. Hence, the National Health Service sucks and we don't want anything like that here.

Perhaps I'm wrong :eek: but it seems to me that constantly ignoring the big picture is mandatory if one wishes to lean Right. :rolleyes:


From Merriam-Webster:

big picture noun

Meaning:

the big picture : everything that relates to or is involved in a situation or issue
▪ We need to look at the big picture before we can work out specific details.

[Robert Goren]

I am really glad you have such LOW expectations of our president......
And we wonder why America is in trouble??? :bang:I have low expectations of all presidents. Even then most of them do exceed them. My biggest disappointment was Reagan. He was such a disappointment in my eyes that I became a Democrat. The only president who exceeded my expectations was Clinton. Exactly what did Obama say he would do that you want him to do and he didn't do? Right now none of republican hopefuls except Ron Paul are saying anything I want them to do. And even Ron Paul is saying a lot things I don't want him to. I think most of what the republicans are saying they would do would send the country into a 1930s style depression with 20-25% unemployment.

[newtothegame]

Righties are quick to point out the exceptions to the rule - as if the exceptions make the rule senseless.

Example: 1% of the people in CA collecting food stamp money are using the food stamp money to bet in casinos, etc. Hence, food stamps are bad public policy and because of this outrageous abuse needs to go.

Example: Some ridiculously small percentage of seniors in the UK don't always get adequate treatment/attention, etc. Hence, the National Health Service sucks and we don't want anything like that here.

Perhaps I'm wrong :eek: but it seems to me that constantly ignoring the big picture is mandatory if one wishes to lean Right. :rolleyes:


From Merriam-Webster:

big picture noun

Meaning:

the big picture : everything that relates to or is involved in a situation or issue
▪ We need to look at the big picture before we can work out specific details.

Exceptions??? LMAO...you and mosty get funnier all the time.......
I am sure if you actually put on your glasses every now and then, you might see more then an "exception" when you look at the healthcare provided in those countries versus ours.....then again, maybe NOT....(and you say it is I who needs to see the BIG picture...??? lol

[newtothegame]

I have low expectations of all presidents. Even then most of them do exceed them. My biggest disappointment was Reagan. He was such a disappointment in my eyes that I became a Democrat. The only president who exceeded my expectations was Clinton. Exactly what did Obama say he would do that you want him to do and he didn't do? Right now none of republican hopefuls except Ron Paul are saying anything I want them to do. And even Ron Paul is saying a lot things I don't want him to. I think most of what the republicans are saying they would do would send the country into a 1930s style depression with 20-25% unemployment.
Funny you say BO has accomplished ONE thing yet REAGAN was your biggest dissappointment??? LMAO.....looking sat another threadI saw you took math ....RETAKE it cause your numbers here arent adding up sir!

Would you like the list of lies Obama has perpetrated since being in office?? And I promise you it isnt one!
But then again, you will only see what you want to see.....
I am surprised you saw ONE thing BO did you liked.....Then again, you havent really seen what's in that bill have you??? Pelosi and Reid made sure of that!

[Tom]

I think most of what the republicans are saying they would do would send the country into a 1930s style depression with 20-25% unemployment.

No, that would be the democrats.




Raise taxes
Increase energy costs by a large multiplier
Prevent Boeing from creating 3,000 jobs in Carolina
Put thousands of Gulf workers out of work indefinitely
Increase deficit spending with no controls
Drive food prices up by using corn, a food, as a fuel that burns inefficiently
Good start off the top of my head.
I'm sure we can double this list by dinner time.

[Robert Goren]

When Reagan I running a small business in a small farming community. His policies of very high interest rates during the first half of his first term put over half the farmers, my customers, out of business. It wrecked mine. By the time business sold in 1986, the gross revenue was down 70% from 1980. It took until 1998 for farm land to return to the value it had in 1980. I don't how any one who lived in a farm town during the Reagan president could call it a success. For the record my only competitor in the town went completely out business in 1984. So the 70% number is actually worse than it appears.

[ArlJim78]

Volcker started the high interest rates during the Carter years and were necessary in order to kill inflation. it was painful but it worked. there is no debate even over whether it was the right plan.

[lsbets]

Gets even funnier (or perhaps I should say scarier)

Just took a peek at Shell's educational background...

Call it a hunch, but I would bet her educational background is a wee bit more impressive than yours.

[Robert Goren]

Volcker started the high interest rates during the Carter years and were necessary in order to kill inflation. it was painful but it worked. there is no debate even over whether it was the right plan.To the people who lost there farms most of whom were 4th or 5th generation farmers it was very painful. You can believe the amount of despair it caused. 2 farmers I went to high school with committed suicide after they lost everything. Farming was the only life they knew. It was the only life their fathers and grandfathers. one of them could trace their family farm back to a great great great grandfather who homestead it and lived in a sod house. He was very proud of that. Excuse me if I don't think a president whose policies caused so much misery was a good president. I saw too much of it up close.

[JustRalph]

To the people who lost there farms most of whom were 4th or 5th generation farmers it was very painful. You can believe the amount of despair it caused. 2 farmers I went to high school with committed suicide after they lost everything. Farming was the only life they knew. It was the only life their fathers and grandfathers. one of them could trace their family farm back to a great great great grandfather who homestead it and lived in a sod house. He was very proud of that. Excuse me if I don't think a president whose policies caused so much misery was a good president. I saw too much of it up close.

so you hold the Carter Era decisions against Reagan?

[delayjf]

His policies of very high interest rates during the first half of his first term put over half the farmers, my customers, out of business. It wrecked mine. By the time business sold in 1986, the gross revenue was down 70% from 1980.

Reagan is not responsible if someone decided to bet their farm at 20% interest.

[mostpost]

so you hold the Carter Era decisions against Reagan?
You can't say that the high interest rates were caused by Carter era decisions. Nor can you say they were Reagan's responsibility.
Interest rates are set by the Federal Reserve, an independent agency. The highest rates spanned the late Carter years and the early Reagan years.
Arljim is correct in that it was needed to curb inflation. But who was responsible for that inflation? My understanding is that it was caused in great part by the oil embargo and rapid increase in gasoline prices.

[ArlJim78]

To the people who lost there farms most of whom were 4th or 5th generation farmers it was very painful. You can believe the amount of despair it caused. 2 farmers I went to high school with committed suicide after they lost everything. Farming was the only life they knew. It was the only life their fathers and grandfathers. one of them could trace their family farm back to a great great great grandfather who homestead it and lived in a sod house. He was very proud of that. Excuse me if I don't think a president whose policies caused so much misery was a good president. I saw too much of it up close.
i know facts don't matter to you, but it was under Carter that this problem came about.
also, think about this, you champion Obama because of the heathcare bill, but where is your compassion for those people who will be adversly affected by it? you give us your stories and use only those accounts to judge a president, only based on what happened to you. what about the larger picture?

where is your compassion for the auto dealers that were summarily put out of business by Obama's team?

where is your compassion for the non-union salaried Delco workers who had their pensions wiped out while the union guys got to keep theirs thanks to Obama?

where is your concern for the gulf oil workers who were put out of work by the insane decision to shut down US drilling in the Gulf?

where is your concern for the people who will have to pay for the 3 trillion in new debt that Obama and a democratic congress passed?

where is you concern for the millions of unemployed under Obama's watch?

you said earlier you were concerned about Republicans because their ideas would send us to another great depression with high unemployment. well take a look around you, we're well on our way to that destination and with another year and a half of this loser we could yet be in a depression.

[newtothegame]

i know facts don't matter to you, but it was under Carter that this problem came about.
also, think about this, you champion Obama because of the heathcare bill, but where is your compassion for those people who will be adversly affected by it? you give us your stories and use only those accounts to judge a president, only based on what happened to you. what about the larger picture?

where is your compassion for the auto dealers that were summarily put out of business by Obama's team?

where is your compassion for the non-union salaried Delco workers who had their pensions wiped out while the union guys got to keep theirs thanks to Obama?

where is your concern for the gulf oil workers who were put out of work by the insane decision to shut down US drilling in the Gulf?

where is your concern for the people who will have to pay for the 3 trillion in new debt that Obama and a democratic congress passed?

where is you concern for the millions of unemployed under Obama's watch?

you said earlier you were concerned about Republicans because their ideas would send us to another great depression with high unemployment. well take a look around you, we're well on our way to that destination and with another year and a half of this loser we could yet be in a depression.

Jim....Robert is gonna see what he wants to see as I said earlier. Even mosty said those high rates started during the carter administration.
Robert will tell us all his story and ask us why we have no compassion, yet as you pointed out, he has no compassion for the world crumbling around him.
In true Lib fashion, it has to be REAGAN or BUSH...there is no way it can be Carter or Obama.
It's always gonna be the failed policies of the right who got us into this mess in their eyes.
Now that's not to say there havent been some crazy policies put forth by the right. But, the one thing I can honestly say about the cons I have interracted with on this board.....When its a spade, they have no problem calling it a spade. the libs on the other hand would rather play with an all together different set of cards!

[benzer]

Jim....Robert is gonna see what he wants to see as I said earlier. Even mosty said those high rates started during the carter administration.
Robert will tell us all his story and ask us why we have no compassion, yet as you pointed out, he has no compassion for the world crumbling around him.
In true Lib fashion, it has to be REAGAN or BUSH...there is no way it can be Carter or Obama.
It's always gonna be the failed policies of the right who got us into this mess in their eyes.
Now that's not to say there havent been some crazy policies put forth by the right. But, the one thing I can honestly say about the cons I have interracted with on this board.....When its a spade, they have no problem calling it a spade. the libs on the other hand would rather play with an all together different set of cards!
That is exactly my point.
Most of us can agree to disagree with some Bush (Republican) policies, yet the libs (Democrats) insist they are always right, no matter what. They remind me of the Tories of the past. (Look up Tory, Tories on Google).

[NJ Stinks]

That is exactly my point.
Most of us can agree to disagree with some Bush (Republican) policies, yet the libs (Democrats) insist they are always right, no matter what. They remind me of the Tories of the past. (Look up Tory, Tories on Google).

I see you guys are re-writing history again. And pattin' yourselves on the back in the process. :rolleyes:

The Republican Formula for destroying the greatest country on earth:

1. De-regulation. We can't get enough, can we?

2. Tax cuts. We can't afford to blow our nose let alone pay for Iraq and Afghanistan. No matter. Cut taxes and be happy, mon.

3. Trickle down economics. Now this sounds like a winner if you believe shit really does roll downhill.

I'm trying to think of the last memorably wonderful thing a Republican politician did for this country. I think it may have been George Bush Sr. stopping the first Gulf War before it was too late. Maybe somebody else can remember something that stands out.

[bigmack]

3. Trickle down economics. Now this sounds like a winner if you believe shit really does roll downhill.
Ain't you heard nuthin' 'bout hispanics leavin' the country from lack o' jobs or Afro'Mericans experiencin' unemployment not seen since the Depression?

Get a grip. They ain't paid from taxes like some.

[newtothegame]

I see you guys are re-writing history again. And pattin' yourselves on the back in the process. :rolleyes:

The Republican Formula for destroying the greatest country on earth:

1. De-regulation. We can't get enough, can we?

2. Tax cuts. We can't afford to blow our nose let alone pay for Iraq and Afghanistan. No matter. Cut taxes and be happy, mon.

3. Trickle down economics. Now this sounds like a winner if you believe shit really does roll downhill.

I'm trying to think of the last memorably wonderful thing a Republican politician did for this country. I think it may have been George Bush Sr. stopping the first Gulf War before it was too late. Maybe somebody else can remember something that stands out.

You keep using words like "we"..(see the bolded above), yet I have shown you by a more then 2-1 margin libs are more of tax cheats then rethugs. Of which you have yet to refute.
But I know NJ...it's all ok as long as someone else pays right???

[benzer]

I see you guys are re-writing history again. And pattin' yourselves on the back in the process. :rolleyes:

The Republican Formula for destroying the greatest country on earth:

1. De-regulation. We can't get enough, can we?

2. Tax cuts. We can't afford to blow our nose let alone pay for Iraq and Afghanistan. No matter. Cut taxes and be happy, mon.

3. Trickle down economics. Now this sounds like a winner if you believe shit really does roll downhill.

I'm trying to think of the last memorably wonderful thing a Republican politician did for this country. I think it may have been George Bush Sr. stopping the first Gulf War before it was too late. Maybe somebody else can remember something that stands out.
Post some facts not just your opinion, which so far amount to little more than horse P**P.

[hcap]

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/27/255010/chart-states-cut-most-spending-jobs/

....There’s a new cult of economic thought sweeping the nation — or at least many Republican (and even some Democratic) political circles. Its adherents cling to the erroneous belief that sharp government spending cuts will revitalize economic growth and create much needed new jobs

From the start of the Great Recession in December 2007 through the end of 2010, 24 states have cut government spending by an average of 7.5 percent after adjusting for inflation. Another 25 states have expanded government outlays by an average of 11 percent. (The analysis excludes Alabama due to data problems reported by the National Association of State Budget Offices). And the differences in these states’ economic performance could not be more self-evident. Relative to national economic trends, states that increased spending enjoyed on average:

* 0.2 percentage point decrease in the unemployment rate

* 1.4 percent increase in private employment

* 0.5 percent real economic growth since the start of the recession

In contrast, states that cut spending saw on average

* 1 percentage point increase in the unemployment rate

* 2.1 percent loss of private employment

* 2.9 percent real economic contraction relative to the national economic trend

Steep state spending cuts have gone hand-in-hand with rising unemployment rates, falling private-sector payroll employment, and lower growth in state’s gross domestic product, or GDP — the sum of all goods and services produced by labor and equipment in each state, less imports.

Take private sector jobs, for example. This graph shows that state spending is not just about jobs for public service workers, but also has far reaching consequences for private businesses and their workers. The downward sloping red line shows the relationship between cuts to state spending and changes in private sector employment relative to the national average since the start of the Great Recession. States that cut spending are seeing significantly more job losses in the private sector than states maintaining or increasing spending levels. For every 10 percent cut in state spending, state economies lost 1.6 percent of their private-sector jobs.


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[Robert Goren]

Republicans have never been know to let the facts get in the way of their beliefs.

[Tom]

Of course cutting civil budgets will affect the private sector. Did you think it would not? That is why it hurts, but it has to be done. Private sector jobs will rebound as we whittle down. That is like whining that you dieted off 30 pounds but don't get cheesecake nearly enough anymore.

We cannot sustain the spending. Libs never let reality cloud their aimless ambitions.

[newtothegame]

Republicans have never been know to let the facts get in the way of their beliefs.

How's those Reagan rates working out for ya?? Oh wait...errrrr NOT REAGAN! And you say the above!!! lol

[Robert Goren]

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How's those Reagan rates working out for ya?? Oh wait...errrrr NOT REAGAN! And you say the above!!! lolYou should talk to some the people who lost their family farms because of Reagan's high interest rates how its working out for them. I don't you find one of them who thinks they are better off without their farms. The said thing is almost all of them voted Reagan in 1980. He shoved a knife into his most ardent supporters and you expect them to be grateful. As for me, I moved on, but until Reagan showed, I held the best job I ever held. Nothing since has even been close. I was making good money and dealing with people I liked. There was a brief time when I made about the same kind of money, but it was in a job I hated with a phoney boss. He was hired on the quick and the HR dept did not even check to see if his claim of a degree was real. It wasn't.

[newtothegame]

You should talk to some the people who lost their family farms because of Reagan's high interest rates how its working out for them. I don't you find one of them who thinks they are better off without their farms. The said thing is almost of them voted Reagan in 1980. He shoved a knife into his most ardent supporters and you expect them to be grateful. As for me, I moved on, but until Reagan showed, I held the best job I ever held. Nothing since has even been close. I was making good money and dealing with people I liked. There was a brief time when I made about the same kind of money, but it was in a job I hated with a phoney boss. He was hired on the quick and the HR dept did not even check to see if his claim of a degree was real. It wasn't.

YOU DONT GET IT......mosty even told you it WAS NOT REAGAN lol. those rates were during the CARTER administration lol. But as you so eloquently put it...why let facts get in the way!!! :bang:

[Robert Goren]

Of course cutting civil budgets will affect the private sector. Did you think it would not? That is why it hurts, but it has to be done. Private sector jobs will rebound as we whittle down. That is like whining that you dieted off 30 pounds but don't get cheesecake nearly enough anymore.

We cannot sustain the spending. Libs never let reality cloud their aimless ambitions. Maybe you show us a case where that actually happened because I don't know of one.

[Robert Goren]

YOU DONT GET IT......mosty even told you it WAS NOT REAGAN lol. those rates were during the CARTER administration lol. But as you so eloquently put it...why let facts get in the way!!! :bang: I was alive then and I know when the interest rates went through the roof and Reagan was President. I know when the farmers started losing their farms and Reagan was president. You can blame a lot things on Carter, but farm crisis of 1982-1983 is not one of them. Have you ever even been on farm? What were you doing in 1982? Were you trying to run business back then. It is pretty obvious you don't have clue about what went on in farm communities in the early 1980s. Maybe thing were not quite so tough on "city folks" back then.

[dartman51]

You should talk to some the people who lost their family farms because of Reagan's high interest rates how its working out for them. I don't you find one of them who thinks they are better off without their farms. The said thing is almost all of them voted Reagan in 1980. He shoved a knife into his most ardent supporters and you expect them to be grateful. As for me, I moved on, but until Reagan showed, I held the best job I ever held. Nothing since has even been close. I was making good money and dealing with people I liked. There was a brief time when I made about the same kind of money, but it was in a job I hated with a phoney boss. He was hired on the quick and the HR dept did not even check to see if his claim of a degree was real. It wasn't.

Come on Robert.......REALLY???? If you want to use that, I had the best job I ever had in my life, making the most money I ever made, doing something I really enjoyed. Just 10 days after Obama got sworn in, I lost that job, and have been unemployed since. But I don't blame Obama for the losing of the job, just for the unemployment rate that prevents me from getting another job. :(

[Robert Goren]

Come on Robert.......REALLY???? If you want to use that, I had the best job I ever had in my life, making the most money I ever made, doing something I really enjoyed. Just 10 days after Obama got sworn in, I lost that job, and have been unemployed since. But I don't blame Obama for the losing of the job, just for the unemployment rate that prevents me from getting another job. :( The difference is that the farm crisis happened almost a year after Reagan was president not just 10 days into to his presidency. Just like you want to blame Obama for the still high unemployments a little over 2 years in. 2 years in to Reagan, for the farm communities were far worse than anything we are seeing now except for, maybe, if you are a home builder. I don't anybody who didn't live through that would have a clue of how bad things were. For the record I have a brother who lost his job in October of 2009, He finally gave up and he gets his first SS check in July, 4 years before he planned, so I know what you are going through. I hope you get a job soon.

[dartman51]

I was alive then and I know when the interest rates went through the roof and Reagan was President. I know when the farmers started losing their farms and Reagan was president. You can blame a lot things on Carter, but farm crisis of 1982-1983 is not one of them. Have you ever even been on farm? What were you doing in 1982? Were you trying to run business back then. It is pretty obvious you don't have clue about what went on in farm communities in the early 1980s. Maybe thing were not quite so tough on "city folks" back then.

Interest rates peaked in June of 1981, Reagan took office on Jan 20, 1981. They have been coming down ever since. If you REALLY want to use that, then unemployment was at 7.6% on Jan 20, 2009, when Obama took office. And in June of 2009, unemployment had jumped to 9.5%, so STFU about it being Bush's fault.

[Robert Goren]

Like I said I moved on, maybe a little worse for the wear, but hey..... But those farmers lost their whole way of life. Things that were in their blood. They were and many still are broken men. And people want to pass it off as a little necessary pain.

[Robert Goren]

Interest rates peaked in June of 1981, Reagan took office on Jan 20, 1981. They have been coming down ever since. If you REALLY want to use that, then unemployment was at 7.6% on Jan 20, 2009, when Obama took office. And in June of 2009, unemployment had jumped to 9.5%, so STFU about it being Bush's fault. You obvious were not one those farmers in Jan or Feb of 1982 who went to bank to get planting money only to find out the bank was closing the loan. One bank in my area closed, imgine if you trying borrow money from FDIC when the value of your land had dropped 40% in the last 18 months and is still dropping and you already owe more it than it was worth. You grew up on a farm and it is the only thing that you have ever done. Most of us have had other jobs other than what we have now even if it was only part time in HS or college. But not them. Their part time HS job was helping Dad on the farm. You throw all timelines you want and they may apply to "city folks" but don't try to me about the farm crisis because I lived through it.

[JustRalph]

You obvious were not one those farmers in Jan or Feb of 1982 who went to bank to get planting money only to find out the bank was closing the loan. One bank in my area closed, imgine if you trying borrow money from FDIC when the value of your land had dropped 40% in the last 18 months and is still dropping and you already owe more it than it was worth. You grew up on a farm and it is the only thing that you have ever done. Most of us have had other jobs other than what we have now even if it was only part time in HS or college. But not them. Their part time HS job was helping Dad on the farm. You throw all timelines you want and they may apply to "city folks" but don't try to me about the farm crisis because I lived through it.

Really, I think you are a decent guy, but you have run off the rails in this thread. The facts are the facts. Look them up.

[benzer]

You obvious were not one those farmers in Jan or Feb of 1982 who went to bank to get planting money only to find out the bank was closing the loan. One bank in my area closed, imgine if you trying borrow money from FDIC when the value of your land had dropped 40% in the last 18 months and is still dropping and you already owe more it than it was worth. You grew up on a farm and it is the only thing that you have ever done. Most of us have had other jobs other than what we have now even if it was only part time in HS or college. But not them. Their part time HS job was helping Dad on the farm. You throw all timelines you want and they may apply to "city folks" but don't try to me about the farm crisis because I lived through it.
Kind of sounds like what is going on today.

When Reagan was president (I voted for him for both terms) I lived with my wife and three children in a rented farm house. The farmer that I rented from then voted for Reagan.

My Grandparents owned a dairy farm. Government regulation is messing up the farming community. If you can agree with that then understand that Government regulation is also messing up the small business community.

Right now I have farmland or cows on three sides of my property because I like it that way, though I was born in the city.

You generalize and put people in a place on your perceived notions. (city folks)

Stop blaming, look and listen to what is going on today, maybe learn from what you experienced in the past.

[newtothegame]

Kind of sounds like what is going on today.

When Reagan was president (I voted for him for both terms) I lived with my wife and three children in a rented farm house. The farmer that I rented from then voted for Reagan.

My Grandparents owned a dairy farm. Government regulation is messing up the farming community. If you can agree with that then understand that Government regulation is also messing up the small business community.

Right now I have farmland or cows on three sides of my property because I like it that way, though I was born in the city.

You generalize and put people in a place on your perceived notions. (city folks)

Stop blaming, look and listen to what is going on today, maybe learn from what you experienced in the past.

In order for this to happen, one must first be accepting of the truth. NOT his own truth...but reality. You must be able to admit your own fault in it and then learning can happen.
If robert can't get past "it was Reagan", the above can not happen. he has been shown, by his own side none the less, that this was started during CARTER's administration.
His ill feeling towards Reagan, although misguided, are understood though. Most of the trouble happened during that time frame. But, that does not make it that administrations fault. As it was pointed out, if that were the case, then OBAMA has seriously wrecked this country as it has gone no where but down hill since and while HE was in office. Based on his logic, NONE of this is Bush's fault!