Ramon The Great

[exiles]

Ramon is a good rider, but not as good as some people in this forum think he proved again today how inept he can be w/ his ride on Zagora in the 6th, siting on the best horse in the race by a pole lets the leader get away w/ 26 52 --117 and then excepts to catch him, no excuse just a lousy ride.

[Edward DeVere]

Please name three better riders in North America.

[lamboguy]

she's not as good as him now, but in a few years she will be just as good, ANNA NAPRAVNIK.

what is great about dominguez is he has a great agent, and ramon does his homework on every race. when he has choices in a race steve usually puts him on the right horse. occasionally he owes somone a favor or is committed and rides the not so good horse.put that all together with his physical abilities and you now have a great rider.

[skipaway100]

Ridiculous thread. Every rider has a bad race or makes a move from time to time that looks bad in hindsight.

Agree with lambo.. Anna is going to be an all-time legend in this game before it's all said and done.

[Mineshaft]

Please name three better riders in North America.




I could name 10

[aaron]

Ramon is a good rider, but not as good as some people in this forum think he proved again today how inept he can be w/ his ride on Zagora in the 6th, siting on the best horse in the race by a pole lets the leader get away w/ 26 52 --117 and then excepts to catch him, no excuse just a lousy ride.
I would watch the race again and look at the past performances again. I actually think Ramon gave the horse a good ride. In turf routes sometimes the positioning can be tricky as far as pace. The horse who chased the pace,couldn't hold second and he beat the winner last time.If Ramon was closer he probably wouldn't have been second.

[Casino]

I could name 10

Mineshaft im not a Dominguez fan, but seriously you cant name 10 jockeys better then him.

[gm10]

Ramon is solid and pretty consistent, but he'd never be jockey of the year if he was riding in California. Gareth Gomez and Mike Smith are way better than he is.

[exiles]

I would watch the race again and look at the past performances again. I actually think Ramon gave the horse a good ride. In turf routes sometimes the positioning can be tricky as far as pace. The horse who chased the pace,couldn't hold second and he beat the winner last time.If Ramon was closer he probably wouldn't have been second.

Only the overconfident R.Dominguez could lose on on that horse yesterday if I were the owner I'll make him make up the difference in purse money, in Europe he'll probably get days for a ride like that, the one good thing about R.D is that if you like another horse in a race he is riding in you get better odds.

[exiles]

Please name three better riders in North America.


R.BEJERANO P.LOPEZ J.VELASQUEZ G.GOMEZ J.LEPAROUX

[Casino]

R.BEJERANO P.LOPEZ J.VELASQUEZ G.GOMEZ J.LEPAROUX

I will give you 2 from the 4 you mentioned no way is Leparoux and Lopez better the Dominguez.Castellano imo is better then Dominguez.

[postpicker]

R.BEJERANO P.LOPEZ J.VELASQUEZ G.GOMEZ J.LEPAROUX

To put Paco Lopez on that list is laughable. He is a good young jock but his over aggressive rides will keep him off the national go to list of jocks for major stakes. If he can cut back on the aggressiveness and avoid suspensions, I can see him as an Eclipse finalist down the road.

Every jock makes mistakes, no one is perfect. In my opinion, if Ramon was able to cut the curner better when turning for home, he would have won with Zagora. But it didn't happen and lets give Rajiov credit for stealing it on the frotn end with Giants Play. Also, Ramon isn't the only one to blame, how about rest of the field for allowing Rajiv to steal it.

[exiles]

To put Paco Lopez on that list is laughable. He is a good young jock but his over aggressive rides will keep him off the national go to list of jocks for major stakes. If he can cut back on the aggressiveness and avoid suspensions, I can see him as an Eclipse finalist down the road.

Every jock makes mistakes, no one is perfect. In my opinion, if Ramon was able to cut the curner better when turning for home, he would have won with Zagora. But it didn't happen and lets give Rajiov credit for stealing it on the frotn end with Giants Play. Also, Ramon isn't the only one to blame, how about rest of the field for allowing Rajiv to steal it.

R.D was on the best horse he let R.V steal it, he gave the horse a brutal ride.

[Saratoga_Mike]

I could name 10

Go ahead.

[the little guy]

Gareth Gomez and Mike Smith are way better than he is.

Never heard of the first one....but on the 2nd.....

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[Casino]

Never heard of the first one....but on the 2nd.....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :

Wow is Rd that much better then MIke Smith,this is getting interesting.

[Mineshaft]

R.BEJERANO P.LOPEZ J.VELASQUEZ G.GOMEZ J.LEPAROUX





Throw out Leparoux and add Rosario and Alan Garcia thats 6 right there

[Saratoga_Mike]

Throw out Leparoux and add Rosario and Alan Garcia thats 6 right there

Wow. Name the other four.

[the little guy]

Throw out Leparoux and add Rosario and Alan Garcia thats 6 right there


Let's see, you have never heard of Friend or Foe, you think John Piesen still works at DRF ( he has been gone over a decade ), and Alan Garcia ( and Paco Lopez ) are better riders than Ramon Dominguez.

But I'm a bad guy for pointing out that you don't follow racing at all.

[cj]

I couldn't imagine what was so funny that would lead TLG to break out emoticons, then I saw it. I'm surprised he didn't add a few more!

[Mineshaft]

Wow. Name the other four.






P. Val
Martin Garcia
Albarado
Borel
Jon Court yes i would take Jon over Ramon

[Saratoga_Mike]

P. Val
Martin Garcia
Albarado
Borel
Jon Court yes i would take Jon over Ramon

The list gets better. I love it!

[NTamm1215]

P. Val
Martin Garcia
Albarado
Borel
Jon Court yes i would take Jon over Ramon

This is getting more ridiculous by the second.

[exiles]

I couldn't imagine what was so funny that would lead TLG to break out emoticons, then I saw it. I'm surprised he didn't add a few more!

T.L.G's blinkers don't let him see anything but NYRA.

[cj]

T.L.G's blinkers don't let him see anything but NYRA.

You don't need blinkers to see Mike Smith isn't even remotely close to as good a rider as Dominguez.

[postpicker]

This is getting more ridiculous by the second.


Surprised he didnt put Jose Espinoza on the list after winning the early double today and for his ride on Mission Approved. Who else u think he would put on there, Travis Dunkleberger, Luis Saez, Aaron Gryder. I can't wait to see who is next!

[postpicker]

You don't need blinkers to see Mike Smith isn't even remotely close to as good a rider as Dominguez.


I would need a few shots of some homemade moonshine for me to think Smith is remotely close to Dominguez. P. Val? Had all the potential in the world. But drugs and alcohol and antics like shaving his body before a hair follicle test helped ruin that potential. Calvin Borel, maybe if he rode his whole career at Churchill Downs. Outside of Churchill, I'd rather have the Ramon Dominguez that rides quarter horses in Canada before Borel.

[GatetoWire]

Thank you all for the wonderful humor today. I needed a good laugh!!!

Just want to make sure that I read this correct.

On this thread I have seen that

Mike Smith
PVal
Jon Court
Calvin Borel
Alan Garcia
Robby Alberado
Paco Lopez
Julian Leparoux

Are all better riders than Ramon. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This could be the funniest thread ever.

Rosario, Bejarano, Velasquez and Ramon are the 4 best riders in America....the rest are several lengths behind.

[exiles]

You don't need blinkers to see Mike Smith isn't even remotely close to as good a rider as Dominguez.

Everybody knows that, but T.L.G 'S opinions are so NYRA biased that you can't rely on him for any opinion.

[PhantomOnTour]

Uhhhhh, the silliness never ends
:faint:

[davefulche]

I enjoyed this thread. When I saw Jon Court all I could think of was Ken Rudulph on TVG and his love for Jon Court. No offense to Jon Court fans, but I'm sure he would even tell you he's not a top 15 jock.

[mannyberrios]

Hey, how about Jackie Davis?

[aaron]

Hey, how about Jackie Davis?
Mike Smith,better than Ramon. Anyone who believes that better find something to do besides betting horses.
Javier Castellano is riding great,but I will take my chances with Ramon.

[exiles]

Javier Castellano is riding great,but I will take my chances with Ramon.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget you also get about 1/2 the price of what you should get.:bang:

[PaceAdvantage]

Gareth Gomez and Mike Smith are way better than he is.W O W

[PaceAdvantage]

If I didn't know any better (and yet I do), I would think this thread was started solely to get a few NYRA/TLG jabs on the board....nah...that can't be right...

But how else to explain some of the utterly ridiculous opinions spouted here?

MIKE SMITH? Are you living in the same world as the rest of us?

I know Zenyatta-fever gripped the nation, but who knew the hallucinations would have lasted this long?

[PaceAdvantage]

Everybody knows that, but T.L.G 'S opinions are so NYRA biased that you can't rely on him for any opinion.What's your excuse?

[porchy44]

Ramon is absolutely dominating in New York

Average at best anywhere else he rides.

[GatetoWire]

Ramon is absolutely dominating in New York

Average at best anywhere else he rides.

You should probably check your stats before you make these posts.

Ramon has been a little better than average away from Aqu/Bel this year.

In 78 starts he has 19% winners and 56% in the top 3. Yes the 19% is quite a bit lower than the 27.5% winners he has in NY but still quite a bit better than some of the great riders listed in this forum.

http://www.equibase.com/stats/View.cfm?tf=year&tb=jockey

You will see that most of the top riders nationally have win % between 17%-23%. So Ramon's 19% on the road is hardly average.

[billytk]

Thought you meant Preciado

[FantasticDan]

Today's 8th at BEL.. I don't understand the ride. :4: Tanglewood Tale stalked the pace on the back, moved up under light urging, and was in a good spot turning for home... except Ramon quit on her as soon as they hit the stretch. Didn't ride her, didn't whip. Not being urged, she quickly fell back.

This was only her 2nd start, and her first route, and I can understand her tiring, but I didn't see him even ask her for anything. :confused:

[cj]

Today's 8th at BEL.. I don't understand the ride. :4: Tanglewood Tale stalked the pace on the back, moved up under light urging, and was in a good spot turning for home... except Ramon quit on her as soon as they hit the stretch. Didn't ride her, didn't whip. Not being urged, she quickly fell back.

This was only her 2nd start, and her first route, and I can understand her tiring, but I didn't see him even ask her for anything. :confused:

You should probably watch the replay more closely.

[Robert Fischer]

ramon is a workhorse. He can ride consistently at a high level over a lot of mounts. He's a good choice to ride favorites on a day in day out basis. He excels going wire to wire in turf routes.

[Rise Over Run]

Today's 8th at BEL.. I don't understand the ride. :4: Tanglewood Tale stalked the pace on the back, moved up under light urging, and was in a good spot turning for home... except Ramon quit on her as soon as they hit the stretch. Didn't ride her, didn't whip. Not being urged, she quickly fell back.

This was only her 2nd start, and her first route, and I can understand her tiring, but I didn't see him even ask her for anything. :confused:

Wow, I really can't believe an anti-Ramon thread is dug up after 3 months because of this perceived bad ride. Ramon's ride cost this horse at least 32, if not 33 lengths; she should have been right there on the wire.....

[FantasticDan]

You should probably watch the replay more closely.I did, several times. When does he ask her? When Durkin says, "There goes Tanglewood Tale with a move"? He may have gone from relaxed to a light ride at that point, but he's still not doing that much. When they turn into the stretch and everyone else starts riding hard, Ramon is still up in his seat doing nothing and then looks over his shoulder to move her inside, where he basically eases her. At no point of this race was this filly ridden aggressively.

If you see otherwise, please tell me when.

I have no issue with RD or any NYRA rider. I'd be asking the same question no matter who had the ride. But since this race involved RD and I didn't want to start a new thread about a single race, I did a search for RD and bumped this one.

[gm10]

ramon is a workhorse. He can ride consistently at a high level over a lot of mounts. He's a good choice to ride favorites on a day in day out basis. He excels going wire to wire in turf routes.

He's one of those guys who is very good at doing the same thing in the same circumstances, day in day out. Away from the NYRA tracks, he's still above average, but he shares that spot with about 10 others.

[cj]

I did, several times. When does he ask her? When Durkin says, "There goes Tanglewood Tale with a move"? He may have gone from relaxed to a light ride at that point, but he's still not doing that much. When they turn into the stretch and everyone else starts riding hard, Ramon is still up in his seat doing nothing and then looks over his shoulder to move her inside, where he basically eases her. At no point of this race was this filly ridden aggressively.

If you see otherwise, please tell me when.

I have no issue with RD or any NYRA rider. I'd be asking the same question no matter who had the ride. But since this race involved RD and I didn't want to start a new thread about a single race, I did a search for RD and bumped this one.

Did you notice him look back to make sure he wasn't going to impede anyone? Seems to me he thought something was amiss with the horse.

[FantasticDan]

I noted the look over his shoulder in my post, and I agree it's entirely possible that he felt something wasn't right with her. It's really the only explanation that explains the ride. But as this is a horse racing forum, I thought I would make the inquiry and ask what others saw. Thanks for the response.

[Spiderman]

The two previous posts both mentioned that he looked back. I will grant that Ramon is a very good jockey. To me, he has his faults. Two, in particular, come to mind: 1. he waits for seams to open and they don't and 2. he looks back when he has taken a lead at the turn. The 2nd caused what should have been a winning bet on a 7-1 play. The horse opened 2-lengths at the stretch turn and Ramon looks back, causing a loss in momentum. He should view the replay in the jockey's room or at home.

[Robert Fischer]

He's one of those guys who is very good at doing the same thing in the same circumstances, day in day out. Away from the NYRA tracks, he's still above average, but he shares that spot with about 10 others.

that's why they choose Ramon.

[PhantomOnTour]

Nobody's perfect...
But the bottom line for me is that in NY I wouldn't rather have anyone else riding my horse, except for maybe JJ Castellano.

If Ramon didn't persevere with his ride I am sure it was for a legit reason. No, he isn't above criticism, but I think he should get chastised for putting his mount in the wrong spot, maybe breaking too slowly, choosing the wrong path etc.....which I am sure he's guilty of from time to time.

As far as the jock looking back or under his arm is concerned...
I LOVE it when a jock on the horse I bet is abreast of another horse and begins looking for other competition...it's like he's saying that he has the guy next to him...and he usually does.

[thaskalos]

Nobody's perfect...
But the bottom line for me is that in NY I wouldn't rather have anyone else riding my horse, except for maybe JJ Castellano.

If Ramon didn't persevere with his ride I am sure it was for a legit reason. No, he isn't above criticism, but I think he should get chastised for putting his mount in the wrong spot, maybe breaking too slowly, choosing the wrong path etc.....which I am sure he's guilty of from time to time.

As far as the jock looking back or under his arm is concerned...
I LOVE it when a jock on the horse I bet is abreast of another horse and begins looking for other competition...it's like he's saying that he has the guy next to him...and he usually does.

You are right...he usually does.

But he looks mighty foolish in those rare instances when he doesn't...

[PhantomOnTour]

You are right...he usually does.

But he looks mighty foolish in those rare instances when he doesn't...
If he doesn't look under his arm and loses, without looking 'mighty foolish', it still costs his backers the same amount of money.
The only time I ever thought a look back cost a jock was when Calvin looked over his shoulder on Street Sense in the Preaknes and saw what he didn't wanna see...Curlin!
Still, Robbie may have nailed him anyway, but Calvin had to quit pumping for a moment to look back and see Curlin.

[Robert Fischer]

Today's 8th at BEL.. I don't understand the ride. :4: Tanglewood Tale stalked the pace on the back, moved up under light urging, and was in a good spot turning for home... except Ramon quit on her as soon as they hit the stretch. Didn't ride her, didn't whip. Not being urged, she quickly fell back.

This was only her 2nd start, and her first route, and I can understand her tiring, but I didn't see him even ask her for anything. :confused:

i re-watched the race(Grillo) and now i put the horse with the name.

she has had issues, and this was too much for her. She had to be pulled up and wasn't sound after trying the turn. Ramon actually put her in a prominent position stalking a 45-1 shot leader. I can see where it could look like he didn't try. :ThmbUp: