2012 Breeders Cup will be held at one of three locations!

[andymays]

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/racing-news/2011/06/17/2012-breeders-cup.aspx

Excerpt:

The 2012 Breeders’ Cup World Championships will be held at one of three locations, Breeders’ Cup Ltd. Chairman Tom Ludt said Friday afternoon.

The finalists are Belmont Park, Churchill Downs, and Santa Anita Park, which together after this year will have played host to six of the past seven Breeders’ Cup events and nine of the past 12.

[hugh]

Cal-i-forn-ia Love.
Hope it lands here. ;)

[FenceBored]

I hope it goes to Belmont. How many years in a row has it been that NYRA thought they had a verbal agreement just to see it go to someone else?

[Bruddah]

The best venue proven over the years is Churchill. It needs to go where the fans will support it the best. My vote is Churchill.

[sonnyp]

Cal-i-forn-ia Love.
Hope it lands here. ;)


on poly crap ?

[andymays]

on poly crap ?

It's dirt now.

[horses4courses]

the BC run only at 4 venues........BEL, CD, GP, SA

2012 should go to Belmont

[Tom]

Belmont.

[sonnyp]

It's dirt now.


sorry, don't pay attention to cal racing.

[tbwinner]

I think they might go Santa Anita for 2012. Of course they will see handle drop because of the boycott of takeout increases and I sure won't bet it if its there.

[BlueShoe]

Ferndale or Grants Pass.

[duncan04]

Any track than the mess that is Santa Anita. Maybe if they can get the dirt right but seems like they are clueless how to do that.

[point given]

Belmont. The slots will be rolling at the Big A and the house is in order. SA had it "08 & '09, CD had it '10 & '11 , its Belmonts time now for '12.:ThmbUp:

[cj's dad]

Belmont does it best !!!

[PhantomOnTour]

Time to return to New York!

[andymays]

sorry, don't pay attention to cal racing.

Santa Anita screwed up the dirt surface so until it's proven to be better than the last meeting I think the Breeders Cup will pass on 2012. It is more likely that Santa Anita will have good weather than the other venues. That's a major factor.

I'd like to see it moved around. I think the three locations should alternate instead of one having it more than the others. That seems fair to me.

[stuball]

I vote for Belmont--and move it up 1 month...

Stuball

[toussaud]

which track do I want to get it: Churchill

which track will get it: belmont
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there is no way belmont doesn't get this bid.

[Bruddah]

which track do I want to get it: Churchill

which track will get it: belmont
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there is no way belmont doesn't get this bid.


If any track other than Churchill Downs gets the Breeders Cup, it will be just another nail in its' coffin. The other venues don't get the fan support and the weather seems to be more of an issue when they do host the event.

[toussaud]

you know what, i said that but then after i posted that i thought..

man, i don't see how the BC can turn away the profits they made last year. they would be just pissing money in the wind if they went anywhere besides churchill

[aharon5741]

Belmont would be idea. NY racing fans came out with a strong showing at the Belmont. Considering there was no triple crown chance and it was raining this was all the more impressive.

[Skanoochies]

...For the first time, dirt at Churchill or Belmont, and turf at WOODBINE! :jump:

[keithw84]

I like the idea of alternating venues every year. Why has the BC been going to tracks for two years in a row?

[Saratoga_Mike]

you know what, i said that but then after i posted that i thought..

man, i don't see how the BC can turn away the profits they made last year. they would be just pissing money in the wind if they went anywhere besides churchill

Why will the event be less successful at BEL?

[Mineshaft]

Ferndale or Grants Pass.






Classic...............


u forgot about Dixie Downs too.

[Bruddah]

Why will the event be less successful at BEL?


Proven lack of fan support vs support at Churchill. Do the math.

[fmolf]

I want it to be at belmont and they deserve it and it is their turn.The problem is the nyra will not prostitute itself or its tracks and definetly not kiss the breeders cup's ass.That being said i think it will go to churchill.I will boycott it as i did the 2 yrs S.A. had it if they get it again.I urge all handicappers to do the same.

[toussaud]

I want it to be at belmont and they deserve it and it is their turn.The problem is the nyra will not prostitute itself or its tracks and definetly not kiss the breeders cup's ass.That being said i think it will go to churchill.I will boycott it as i did the 2 yrs S.A. had it if they get it again.I urge all handicappers to do the same.
no way


dirt, better weather not great but better, why would you want to do this

[Zydeco]

I think they might go Santa Anita for 2012. Of course they will see handle drop because of the boycott of takeout increases and I sure won't bet it if its there.

is the take out set at whatever track the Cup races are held? Or does Breeders cup have its own take out rates?

[Wickel]

Churchill is the ideal host. Make it permanent.

[Mike_412]

is the take out set at whatever track the Cup races are held? Or does Breeders cup have its own take out rates?

The take goes by the usual rate at whichever track hosts the event. As far as the original question, I'd like to see Belmont get it, but wouldn't have a problem with it being at Churchill. I'd prefer not to see it at Santa Anita.

[Edward DeVere]

I was kind of hoping for The Big T myself, with the turf races being run right up the road at Shawan.

[keithw84]

Churchill is the ideal host. Make it permanent.
Okay, but be prepared for a lot of complaining when the next Easy Goer comes along.

[PaceAdvantage]

Churchill is the ideal host. Make it permanent.Why not just close every other track in the nation but Churchill and race there year round, 24/7?

I don't understand this mentality. Belmont has been a fine host and has provided many a memorable Breeders' Cup.

The weather can SUCK at Churchill too...and STILL you can have amazing, memorable racing, such as Personal Ensign in 1988...

[thespaah]

Belmont Park......Done!

[thespaah]

Why not just close every other track in the nation but Churchill and race there year round, 24/7?

I don't understand this mentality. Belmont has been a fine host and has provided many a memorable Breeders' Cup.

The weather can SUCK at Churchill too...and STILL you can have amazing, memorable racing, such as Personal Ensign in 1988...
The first BC at Churchill ended in near darkness on a rainy miserable afternoon.
I think the temperature never got out of the 40's....
Just checked....HI was 54. Low 39.....rain and fog.
Funny thing....The temps at Louisville and Elmont, NY are almost identical for the first week of November. Based on climate norms, weather is actually not an issue

[NJ Stinks]

Belmont in 2012 and back to Monmouth in 2013!

[nearco]

The first BC at Churchill ended in near darkness on a rainy miserable afternoon.
I think the temperature never got out of the 40's....
Just checked....HI was 54. Low 39.....rain and fog.
Funny thing....The temps at Louisville and Elmont, NY are almost identical for the first week of November. Based on climate norms, weather is actually not an issue

The weather may be more or less the same, but the Belmont grandstand faces north/north east and casts a long shadow that time of year. If there's a wind you can be pretty exposed. Churchill on the other hand is SE facing.

Still, I'd prefer Belmont over CD. Would be nice the turf races on a course bigger than 7f for a change.

[WeirdWilly]

Reopen Pinnacle Race Course for it! They could get an attendance of 150, a handle of $60,000 and fields of 5, 6, maybe even 7 horses!

(I joke, but it is really sad that we can't have nice things here)

[macguy]

Ferndale or Grants Pass.


Why not Yavapai?

[Robert Goren]

Weather is a big issue for me. I hate to see racing champions decide on a sloppy track. Does any one think that the years Belmont Stakes means anything in this championship picture. Southern California holds the best hope of getting a fast track and a firm turf course. But it has so many other problems, I don't know. Belmont will be a racino by then. Has a Racino ever hosted the cup? I don't like CD and almost never bet there. Last years Life at Ten debacle was not a plus for them and the way Kentucky handled the investigation was an absolute joke. I voted for SA, but I would understand if they went some place else.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Why not Yavapai?

Because it would take the braintrust until November, 2018 to determine whether or not they had the money to run the 2012 card.

[PaceAdvantage]

Belmont will be a racino by then.They'll be lucky if Aqueduct is a racino by then. Belmont? Not a chance in hell by Oct/Nov 2012.

[ukbro00]

Weather is a big issue for me. I hate to see racing champions decide on a sloppy track. Southern California holds the best hope of getting a fast track and a firm turf course.

I'm pretty sure it rains just as much in SoCal than in NY

[thespaah]

The weather may be more or less the same, but the Belmont grandstand faces north/north east and casts a long shadow that time of year. If there's a wind you can be pretty exposed. Churchill on the other hand is SE facing.

Still, I'd prefer Belmont over CD. Would be nice the turf races on a course bigger than 7f for a change.
Correct. The sun does set behind the Belmont Grandstand. Remember Dayjur when the horse jumped the shadow of the announcer's booth. The start of a very weird and tragic Breeder's Cup day at Belmont.
One of my main objections to one mile ovals getting BC events is the 7f turf courses.

[Saratoga_Mike]

I'm pretty sure it rains just as much in SoCal than in NY

No, it really doesn't. But it should still be held at BEL.

[toussaud]

it NEVER rains in southern california. duh

[Robert Goren]

I'm pretty sure it rains just as much in SoCal than in NYNot sure about that. I am pretty sure it doesn't in early November.

[mrhorseplayer]

Belmont

[Saratoga_Mike]

it NEVER rains in southern california. duh

Duh? It doesn't rain much from April to October, but it certainly rains from November to March.