Just when you thought the breeders cup couldn't get more diluted

[toussaud]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/63564/breeders-cup-adds-sprint-for-juveniles

[Tom]

Gee, that is exciting! :rolleyes:

How about a BC Claimer next?

[toussaud]

Gee, that is exciting! :rolleyes:

How about a BC Claimer next?
don't give them any ideas tom

[FenceBored]

Gee, that is exciting! :rolleyes:

How about a BC Claimer next?

I suppose I shouldn't tell, but yes. A deal is in the works to acquire the existing Claiming Crown for an expanded event will spread to four days with the Breeders' Cup Claiming Crown feeding into the Breeders' Cup World Championships.

[Robert Goren]

The cup badly needs a 2 mile $5k starter handicap. That and a G1 4F race for 6 yo and up would really make the event complete.

[toussaud]

don't they run grade 1 4F races at los al?

[DJofSD]

Well, I guess the only thing left to do now is rename the entire exhibition. Change it from The Breeder's Cup or The World Thoroughbred Championship to something more closely aligned with it's true purpose. How about "Soak the public for as much as we can"?

[Valuist]

Next up will be the BC Mile Polytrack Steeplechase.

How about the Breeders Cup SUPER Sprint at 4 1/2 furlongs?

The BC Oaklawn/Keeneland/Arlington Weird finish (start and finish at 1/16th pole).

Breeders Cup Conditional claimer. The best NW2 claimers in the country will make for a riveting race.

[TommyCh]

Paragraph 4 says it all: It was created by two committees!

[redshift1]

Well, there are currently 14 BC races scheduled for the 20-22 available slots for the two day festival so why not add another BC race ? Works for me.

[DaylightDies]

Well, there are currently 14 BC races scheduled for the 20-22 available slots for the two day festival so why not add another BC race ? Works for me.

Very good point- I welcome the new race

[FenceBored]

If the BC really feels like it needs to add more races, I think we should offer serious proposals for races to consider.


My suggestion: The Breeders' Cup Dual-Surface Classic (DSC) - a 12 furlong race consisting of 6 furlongs run on the turf crossing over onto the backstretch of the main track and completing the course there. Purse to be 1/2 the sum of the BC Turf and the BC Classic (currently $4m).

[Tom]

Just for the hell of it, make the three inside paths polytrack! :D
And add on hurdle at the 16th pole.

[magwell]

This works for me.... but should be one for colts and one for fillies.

[Bubbles]

This works for me.... but should be one for colts and one for fillies.

Don't fear, one would think there's a Juvenile Fillies Sprint a few years down the pike. Next up, the Juvenile Turf Sprint and Juvenile Fillies Turf Sprint.

The rationale isn't bad; the breed has been shifting towards speed for years. The issue, though, is what happens to the longer races if the shorter ones take off? Methinks this might be the start of a big domino effect that sees the most well-known races cutting back in distance.

[Horseplayersbet.com]

Good for breeders who want to breed for speed and good for trainers who like to drill their two year olds :bang: :bang:

Thoroughbreds need to be bred for longevity. Zenyattas can create fans and possibly more bettors, Green Monkeys only kill the game.

[PhantomOnTour]

How 'bout a Breeders Cup Single Elimination Joust?

Ya know...get Big Drama running in one direction and Trappe Shot in the other.....awwww forget it.

Calvin vs JJ?
Johnny V vs Rajiv?

[CincyHorseplayer]

The cup badly needs a 2 mile $5k starter handicap. That and a G1 4F race for 6 yo and up would really make the event complete.


HAHAHAHHA!!!!!That's awesome.

[5k-claim]

Why not add a race that would have some intrigue, instead of this one. I suggest a race named simply "The Breeders' Cup International" and run it at 10 furlongs on the turf for starters willing to run under a more international standard of "drug free" racing, including no Lasix.

This would give owners and breeders who are chirping the loudest about drugs a chance to lead by example and be rewarded for it. Make this one of the higher value races- not $500,000 - and let's see what happens.

This could serve as a prestigious win (the word "International" is right there in the race's name) at a classic distance for future breeding stock.

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[The Hawk]

Why is it that sprinters are what we bet on most, but they always get shortchanged? There are so few Grade 1 sprints, and now the BC Sprint takes a purse cut. Doesn't matter much to us bettors, just funny how that works, when I always thought the Sprint was one of the more popular BC races.

[wisconsin]

Why is it that sprinters are what we bet on most, but they always get shortchanged? There are so few Grade 1 sprints, and now the BC Sprint takes a purse cut. Doesn't matter much to us bettors, just funny how that works, when I always thought the Sprint was one of the more popular BC races.

And the toughest. Even without a bet, it's a terrific race to watch.

I'm not big on saturating these events, but adding a juvie sprint makes sense here, because not every horse is bred to go two turns. I can't think of any other race to add into the mix. Too bad horses are bred like they are today. A 2 mile event on the dirt would have been cool.

[therussmeister]

I think they should have an event for the outriders. Turn a horse loose and see who is the first to corral it.

Or maybe an event for buglers. Who plays the best call to post.

Or maybe a pari mutuel clerk competition.

[Tom]

Breeder's Cup Wiener Dog Stakes!

[sandpit]

They might as well call this new race the Asmussen/Wesley Ward invitational.

The bad thing is that this race will get graded in 2012, and the winner that year will be automatically in the gate for the 2013 Derby. Nothing like proving your worth at six furlongs to validate your ability to go 1 1/4 miles.

[affirmedny]

They might as well call this new race the Asmussen/Wesley Ward invitational.

The bad thing is that this race will get graded in 2012, and the winner that year will be automatically in the gate for the 2013 Derby. Nothing like proving your worth at six furlongs to validate your ability to go 1 1/4 miles.

Wouldn't happen if the guys with route horses just RAN THEM and piled up some graded earnings, but I guess that's way too much to ask for.....

[stuball]

How about a Breeders Shed Special (12 F only for Stallions 4 YO and UP that have been retired to breeding...Give us a chance to see some of the older stars..and a breeding in the winners circle...after all this is the Breeder Cup.
Maybe too much porn...

Stuball

[Valuist]

Why is it that sprinters are what we bet on most, but they always get shortchanged? There are so few Grade 1 sprints, and now the BC Sprint takes a purse cut. Doesn't matter much to us bettors, just funny how that works, when I always thought the Sprint was one of the more popular BC races.

Maybe they should have a few more Grade 1s and 2s sprints but one is coming up soon in NY (Prioress) that has no business being a Grade 1. I'm guessing it probably was on the verge of being downgraded until Indian Blessing won it a few years ago

[Robert Goren]

Breeder's Cup Wiener Dog Stakes!:lol: :lol: The infamous congressman from NY would be a prohibitive favorite.

[PhantomOnTour]

I think they should have an event for the outriders. Turn a horse loose and see who is the first to corral it.
Or maybe an event for buglers. Who plays the best call to post.

Or maybe a pari mutuel clerk competition.
:lol:
Best thread this year...no contest

[Quackfan]

It's The Breeders Cup. Why don't they just show two horses breeding.

[Robert Fischer]

If it were up to me the Classic would be 12furlongs.


this 2yo sprint thing is goofy though. We already push too many yearlings to run fast early, we don't need this

[turninforhome10]

How about a true "Breeders" race with the conditions of no pre race meds, no blinkers, no front wraps, no back wraps, straight d-bit, no tounge tie, and no whip. The qualifying race would be within two weeks and be a mile. The actual race would be 12 furlongs.
As far as breeders which is the intention of the races, to showcase the "breeding".I would have no hesitation giving extra consideration to a stallion prospect from this series. The filly and mare division would be a gold mine for winning owners and breeders. This would truly showcase the very best and toughest horses and these are the type of horses that should be breeding on.
Think about how this would change trainers bragging rights. Think about the handicapping of such a series. Within 5 to ten years make it a condition of the race that entrants must be progeny of horses that competed in series?
That would be the coolest ever. No way it would happen, but it would be so good for the industry.

[Edward DeVere]

Every year, it seems, the Breeders' Cup goes out of its way to make the event more interesting to breeders and less interesting to me.

[toussaud]

i don't see how you have a breeders cup and not have a 2F race in the mix. that's just not right.

or a breeders cup HRTVG special; see which analyist can burn your money the fastest between the two networks.

[affirmedny]

Crist gets it right as usual:

http://www.drf.com/news/no-harm-adding-juvenile-sprint-breeders-cup-lineup


There has often been some kind of stakes race for 2-year-old sprinters as part of a Breeders’ Cup week or weekend, just without the Breeders’ Cup as part of its name. Once the Cup program expanded beyond seven or eight races on one day to 14 or 15 over two, it was inevitable that stakes races considered “undercard” or “supporting” events would pick up the Cup brand. As a business move, it’s a no-brainer: If you call the same race the Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Sprint instead of the John Doe Memorial, it will attract a lot more attention and handle.

[Bruddah]

Well, there are currently 14 BC races scheduled for the 20-22 available slots for the two day festival so why not add another BC race ? Works for me.

Can you say saturation, boredom and who gives a rats a$$?