okay i quit lol

[toussaud]

are you serious, ruler on ice

[soupman2]

I just knew it was going to be a bomb today. So I studied all of the bombs over and over. And guess what...I said no way any of them can win! :bang:

[Tom]

Won in the slop before.

[Casino]

I just knew it was going to be a bomb today. So I studied all of the bombs over and over. And guess what...I said no way any of them can win! :bang:

:lol: great game!

[dansan]

dude its a horse race different animal on a sloppy track

[FantasticDan]

Had Ruler to win (only $10), loved the way he had finished up in recent races.

And I thought I had used him in my 4 horse EX and TRI box (which did include Thirsty, Brilliant, and AK, but I'd used Santiva instead of Ruler.. :mad: :ThmbDown: :bang:

[elysiantraveller]

Had Ruler to win (only $10), loved the way he had finished up in recent races.

And I thought I had used him in my 4 horse EX and TRI box (which did include Thirsty, Brilliant, and AK, but I'd used Santiva instead of Ruler.. :mad: :ThmbDown: :bang:

Did you just redboard sweep the Triple Crown?

I'm pretty sure you did. Kudos to you.

[Zippy Chippy]

Did you just redboard sweep the Triple Crown?

I'm pretty sure you did. Kudos to you.

HAHA... I made a huge bet for me all on Brilliant Speed. I loved him. Validivia couldnt' have had him more wide the entire race. Pissed me off.

[toussaud]

my instinct is pretty good and with the slop, i couldn't find anything i was in love with i sat out the race.


but still, ruler on ice? come on man

[toussaud]

what did the super pay?

[Saratoga_Mike]

what did the super pay?

74K

[my_nameaintearl]

what did the super pay?

72k for $2

[GregReinhart]

my instinct is pretty good and with the slop, i couldn't find anything i was in love with i sat out the race.


but still, ruler on ice? come on man

I have the same feeling but over the past couple years it has become readily apparent there are fewer and fewer throw-outs any more. They can all win.

[toussaud]

I have the same feeling but over the past couple years it has become readily apparent there are fewer and fewer throw-outs any more. They can all win.
just saying that when I get to the point where I am guessing/trying too hard i just skip the race.

on a main fast track I really liked AK, after I saw the results today with the speed, i decided to sit it out as i hadn't a clue at that point becuase i still didn't like shakleford enough to bet him'

72k man that's alot of money

[FantasticDan]

Did you just redboard sweep the Triple Crown?
I'm pretty sure you did. Kudos to you.I don't know what "redboard sweep the triple crown" means, but I had the horses I said I did in the final jewel of said crown.

I'm just beside myself since it made no sense to like Ruler for a win and not include him in the boxes. I honestly thought that I had.

[point given]

AWD of sire 6.9F , never had a work at Belmont etc. wow Bravo who used to have first call for Breen before the fallout must be passed out.

[toussaud]

I know this is like, a masters degree in redboarding but ruler on ice has a suburb off track pedigree

[Investorater]

Congratulations to #3 Ruler :cool:n Ice for his Belmont triumph in 2011.

And also to all the colts connections.

Time to celebrate. :ThmbUp:

[point given]

I know this is like, a masters degree in redboarding but ruler on ice has a suburb off track pedigree

I know he's from Jersey but what suburb is that exactly ? :lol:

[FantasticDan]

I know this is like, a masters degree in redboarding but ruler on ice has a suburb off track pedigreeHe also had earned his maiden win over a sloppy track. The rest of the field had little to go by for an off track..

[elysiantraveller]

I don't know what "redboard sweep the triple crown" means, but I had the horses I said I did in the final jewel of said crown.

I'm just beside myself since it made no sense to like Ruler for a win and not include him in the boxes. I honestly thought that I had.

Redboarding is posting that you had the winner after the race is run. I was pointing out that you have done this through the whole TC series. I, after review however, was wrong you only did it twice. But hey 2 out of 3 isn't bad... It's better than any of the horses did!
:lol:

[elysiantraveller]

I know this is like, a masters degree in redboarding but ruler on ice has a suburb off track pedigree

Only if now you claimed to have played him.

[toussaud]

no i did not make a wager. just trying to figure out how he won. glad he did though i got look at his owner wow she's hot. we defiantly need more ruler on ice.

[FantasticDan]

Redboarding is posting that you had the winner after the race is run. I was pointing out that you have done this through the whole TC series. I, after review however, was wrong you only did it twice. But hey 2 out of 3 isn't bad... It's better than any of the horses did!
Ahh.. Didn't I redboard the Preakness? I didn't have Shack for the win, but I did have the EX finishers in a box.. ;)

This is by far the best I've done on the TC series (which is not saying much), but losing out on $6K is tough to take. :(

[elysiantraveller]

Ahh.. Didn't I redboard the Preakness? I didn't have Shack for the win, but I did have the EX finishers in a box.. ;)

This is by far the best I've done on the TC series (which is not saying much), but losing out on $6K is tough to take. :(

Nevermind make that 3 for 3 congrats....

You have no credibility now! :cool:

[gm10]

He also had earned his maiden win over a sloppy track. The rest of the field had little to go by for an off track..
Beat Toby's Corner that day.

[GARY Z]

Take away items:

Mike Repole called it right, you need to be 20-1+ in yesterday's fiasco
to win or be in the money in the Belmont.

Would have been a great story for Repole had Stay Thirsty pulled off
the win after the horror story with Uncle Mo.

That said,the winner ran in an open claimer at the Big A on 10/4, and
no matter what speed /pace figures you use, this winner is hard to take
based on Breeding/"Class".

Which leads me to my final thought t this group of entries ,
by virtue of field size in THIS Belmont were nothing more than a collection
of Grade II and Grade III competitors, which created a salty environment for
handicapping and in no way resembles the Class of horses in years past.

I'm still trying to understand how Shakleford could run so well in the
Preakness , and as the clear speed in this race run so poorly.If the answer
is breeding, than ROI made even less sense, considering S's grandmother
is unbridled, and should have relished the distance.


While I'm not a fan of Barry Irwin, the bumping incident to AK
is inexcusable and Edgar is going to take quite a bit of heat for thois situation.

[jognlope]

There were some great supers on all the races. Just bet a bunch of dime supers on other races (did I do that, no, no mon hon)

[Robert Fischer]

horse that weaken, show bad signs, or struggle to hang on @ 9 or 10 furlongs = forget pedigree, they will continue to do so @ 12

horses that do not weaken - have run midpack in the classics and have a truly good distance pedigree - every right to jog along with this group and finish 3-6 or so simply by running around the track with the group.
(see stay thirsty)


horses that do not weaken - are actually GAME at a classic distance - and you huge underlays (shackleford and MasterofHounds) - key the game horse in exotics
(see Ruler on Ice)

[calltopost]

what the hell was that

[Investorater]

Ruler On Ice - is a gelding who in March shipped to Sunland Park in New Mexico for the Sunland Derby - G3 - where he finished 3rd behind Twice The Appeal and Astrology. He was entered in the Kentucky Derby but due to insufficient earnings couldn't make the field.

Breen said "We were disappointed in the Tesio because we were looking at the Preakness, but maybe it was a blessing in disguise." Earning $600.000 for the Belmont victory, R O I improved his lifetime purse total to $766.500.

Again, best wishes to the horse and all connections.

[mostpost]

I don't know what "redboard sweep the triple crown" means, but I had the horses I said I did in the final jewel of said crown.

I'm just beside myself since it made no sense to like Ruler for a win and not include him in the boxes. I honestly thought that I had.

Elysiantravelers explanation of redboarding is not quite complete. Redboarding is saying you had the winner after a race is run, when you did not say you were going to bet that horse before the race. In other words he is saying you are lying about betting Ruler On Ice. Of course he has zero proof that you did not bet Ruler On Ice. It's just an automatic thing that if someone claims a winner after a race they are accused of redboarding.

BTW I had the Shacleford/Animal Kingdom exacta in the Belmont. It's just another proof of the narrow mindedness of Horse Racing that the don't recognize a fifth place/sixth place exacta. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[FantasticDan]

In other words he is saying you are lying about betting Ruler On Ice. Of course he has zero proof that you did not bet Ruler On Ice. It's just an automatic thing that if someone claims a winner after a race they are accused of redboarding.I dunno, Elysiantraveller seemed to be chiding me in good fun, but just in case he or anyone else for some reason didn't believe my modest win bet, or my "D'oh!-so-close" EX and TRI boxes (where for some damn reason I subbed Santiva for Ruler), I took the trouble to scan them :D

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RPNupwawUs4/TfUni1lNRGI/AAAAAAAAAIs/W_emURhUseU/s640/belm.jpg

[JustRalph]

you know how easy it is to get those tickets canceled after you post the numbers?

[Stillriledup]

I dunno, Elysiantraveller seemed to be chiding me in good fun, but just in case he or anyone else for some reason didn't believe my modest win bet, or my "D'oh!-so-close" EX and TRI boxes (where for some damn reason I subbed Santiva for Ruler), I took the trouble to scan them :D

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RPNupwawUs4/TfUni1lNRGI/AAAAAAAAAIs/W_emURhUseU/s640/belm.jpg

You better cash these in, the entire world knows the serial numbers. :rolleyes:

[FantasticDan]

The winning ticket has already been cashed - feel free to cancel the losers.. :cool:

[Stillriledup]

The winning ticket has already been cashed - feel free to cancel the losers.. :cool:

*emoticon of a little yellow man wiping sweat off his brow while saying Pheeew~*

[raybo]

Well, personally, I believe the tickets are real and that he actually bet as he said he did. Heck, I posted my ADW summary once and everyone said I could have doctored it easily. Some people just think because they can't do it, then nobody can. Whatever.

Anyway, if you had bet the top 3 horses in my pre-race posted final running order, you would have had Ruler On Ice. You can check it out in the Belmont Stake Pick thread. I took him off the top row of the super ticket, I also posted, and didn't have the place or show horse either.

I also posted that I wouldn't bet "your" money on the race.

There were 2 other posters on this forum that had Ruler On Ice picked, straight up.

So, it wasn't impossible to have bet him.

[toussaud]

holy crap guys seriously?

yes, someone goes and gets tickets to a horse, and cancels the tickets just to show off on paceadvantage, yes.

[raybo]

holy crap guys seriously?

yes, someone goes and gets tickets to a horse, and cancels the tickets just to show off on paceadvantage, yes.

Really, hard to believe people are that envious. :confused:

[plainolebill]

I'll do a little redboarding. I bet Shackleford to win but I had an exacta box 2/3/12 which took the sting out of Shack losing.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/plainolebill/BelmontTicket.jpg

[Light]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RPNupwawUs4/TfUni1lNRGI/AAAAAAAAAIs/W_emURhUseU/s640/belm.jpg


I really don't care about the little arguments here,but can you explain the logic of liking a horse enough to bet it straight up to win and and not include it in a 4 horse exacta and tri, especially when its a bomb of a price?

[elysiantraveller]

Not envious.

Just if you aren't going to post a pick prior to the race don't come on a message board and talk about how you hit it. Fantastic Dan has done that for all three Triple Crown races...

Just sayin...

If I hit and didn't post I don't talk about it. That has always been the etiquette on any racing forum.

[toussaud]

I really don't care about the little arguments here,but can you explain the logic of liking a horse enough to bet it straight up to win and and not include it in a 4 horse exacta and tri, especially when its a bomb of a price?
I do that all the time. For instance, had i played shackleford, IMHO he was either going to wire the field, or he was going to fold. I did not see a scenerio where he was going to hold on for 2nd or 3rd.

[Light]

Yeah I know that logic except its usually done on a suspiciously chalky dropping horse. You don't mess around and second guess a bomb that you actually like.

[bigmack]

I really don't care about the little arguments here,but can you explain the logic of liking a horse enough to bet it straight up to win and and not include it in a 4 horse exacta and tri, especially when its a bomb of a price?
I second this sentiment. At least have a ticket that covers him, given your interest.

[plainolebill]

Not envious.

Just if you aren't going to post a pick prior to the race don't come on a message board and talk about how you hit it. Fantastic Dan has done that for all three Triple Crown races...

Just sayin...

If I hit and didn't post I don't talk about it. That has always been the etiquette on any racing forum.

Well bub, I cap and bet between races, posting my picks beforehand is low priority. Not that anyone would or should take them seriously anyhow.

[FantasticDan]

I really don't care about the little arguments here,but can you explain the logic of liking a horse enough to bet it straight up to win and and not include it in a 4 horse exacta and tri, especially when its a bomb of a price?Read my comments earlier.. I thought I had included Ruler in my boxes. It was only when the race was over and I looked at my tickets did I realize I hadn't.

What happened was I had looked over the race, written down what I wanted for the boxes, then looked at things again later in the morning before I went to place the bets. That's when I took more notice of Ruler.. his finishing up strong and his win over the slop. I made a mental note to play him.. but when I placed the box bets, I used what I had written down initially. And then I put the win bet on Ruler a few minutes later after I had made some undercard bets.

After the race was over, I really thought I had used him in those boxes.

Time for me to forget about it now.. ;)

[FantasticDan]

Just if you aren't going to post a pick prior to the race don't come on a message board and talk about how you hit it. Fantastic Dan has done that for all three Triple Crown races...
Just sayin...If I hit and didn't post I don't talk about it. That has always been the etiquette on any racing forum.Gimme a break.. like a lot of folks, I usually don't make my picks until the morning or even early afternoon of the race. Half the time I end up changing my mind or updating them at the OTB anyway. If the only people that feel comfortable mentioning wins are the ones who made their picks well in advance and shared, then obviously the discussion afterwards is lessened.

But I know nothing is more important here on PA than proper etiquette, and I can appreciate that, so I'll endeavor to keep my elbows off the table from now on.. :p

[PaceAdvantage]

horses that do not weaken - are actually GAME at a classic distance - and you huge underlays (shackleford and MasterofHounds) - key the game horse in exotics
(see Ruler on Ice)Shackleford was a huge underlay? Really?

He beat Animal Kingdom and just got nipped by Nehro at the wire...and SHACKLEFORD was the huge underlay? :lol:

Come on...

[raybo]

I second this sentiment. At least have a ticket that covers him, given your interest.

It seems obvious that he was taking a shot on a longshot to win.

And, regarding not pre-posting his picks, lots of people prefer to keep their picks, pre-race, a secret, especially when they are good odds. No need to invite competition.

He produced copies of his tickets, that is enough proof for me.

[Light]

Read my comments earlier.. I thought I had included Ruler in my boxes. It was only when the race was over and I looked at my tickets did I realize I hadn't.


I don't really buy your explanation especially since you bought 3 tickets without the horse,not 1 and your win bet on the 3 horse came 8 minutes later, sort of like an after thought. If you made a mental number error, the win bet should also have been the wrong number,so your story is hard to accept. You can claim a temporary lapse into Alzheimer's, but it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

[FantasticDan]

:bang: I can't take it anymore.. I didn't say I made a "mental number error", I said I had gone over the DRF in the morning and written down 4 horses to box in an EX and TRI. The EX I split into two $1 bets since if it hit is was likely to come in high. Then later in the morning, before I got in the car to go bet, I looked at the race again. That's when I took more notice of Ruler, and saw some good angles. I made a mental note to bet him. If folks would like to believe I was just randomly betting a longshot, be my guest.

When the race was over hours later, I thought I had included him in those boxes. Family members present can provide testimony :rolleyes: to my reaction when the race was over and when I fished my tickets out of my wallet.

It's not difficult to understand, it's not complicated, and it's not a lie.

[bigmack]

He produced copies of his tickets, that is enough proof for me.
I don't believe I ever insinuated that he wasn't telling the truth. I questioned his ticket structure.

He's explained it twice since my post. End of story.

[JPinMaryland]

not a bad time for some of us to check our medication levels. I know I'm headed to my local mental health provider right now.. :ThmbUp: