Would you teach your kids the game?

[Casino]

My son is now attending college hes now coming home for the summer.My question to this forum is would you ever take time to teach your kids how to handicapp?And do you think its a bad thing since most of the public opinion view is gambling is for degenerates.IMO personally me i would say no,and if i did my wife would put a stop to it quickly!

[toussaud]

your son is in college and he doesn't know how to read a form yet?

my dad had me reading the forum in elementary school

think of it this way



one day, even if he doesn't believe in gambling, one day some hot girl is going to drag him to the track or some friends are going to drag him to the track..

would you rather him spend hundreds of dollars on tips and touts, or would you rather at the very least have him equipped to hold his own while he's there?'


my 21 year old brother, just like me went to the track with dad alot growing up. But he really didn't get into horse racing growing up like I did. But he still knows what's going on. He told me a few weeks ago he went to the Arkansas derby with some friends and how everyone was looking at him for advice and following him around because he was the only one that had a clue as to what was going on. Impressed the girl he was with and everything.

[gm10]

Absolutely YES.

It's a great intellectual pursuit, it teaches you discipline, and it also reveals a lot about how others think.

[Spiderman]

My grandfather showed me the 'telly' when I was 10. Hit 6 wins in a row when I was 16.

Son went to Preakness for the concert. Called and asked for horses to play. Had a time explaining to him about how to give bet info to teller. Would like to keep it that way.

[GameTheory]

...one day some hot girl is going to drag him to the track...Where can I find hot girls that drag guys to the track, please?

[Robert Goren]

No! Never! Absolutely Not!

[thaskalos]

Not a day goes by when I don't worry that the gambling gene might be inherited...:)

If my son (who is now 12) ever expressed a true interest in this game as an adult...then I would feel obligated to teach him what I know...as I have long believed that a true mentor is invaluable in learning how to sidestep the game's many pitfalls.

I would never encourage him though...

The skills - and effort - necessary to beat this game would be much better rewarded in practically any other arena...

[Casino]

No! Never! Absolutely Not!

Why?

[toussaud]

Where can I find hot girls that drag guys to the track, please?
college


you will eventually have a friend that takes everyone to a big race day or a girl who has a dad or a dad's friend who owns a horse and you will go to the track.

[Beachbabe]

Absolutely YES.

It's a great intellectual pursuit, it teaches you discipline, and it also reveals a lot about how others think.


My sentiments.
With this addition: I wouldn't go out of my way to show him/her what handicapping is all about, unless he/she showed an interest in what I was doing; had a somewhat analytical mind; and was of a generally stable character.

BTW, I was also taken to the track by my uncle at 10 yrs old and learned the rudiments of reading the Form.

[duncan04]

Where can I find hot girls that drag guys to the track, please?


Dollar beer night and a live band and there are tons

[Robert Fischer]

one day, even if he doesn't believe in gambling, one day some hot girl is going to drag him to the track


STAY OUTR MY DREAMS HOT SHOT

[Robert Goren]

Not a day goes by when I don't worry that the gambling gene might be inherited...:)

If my son (who is now 12) ever expressed a true interest in this game as an adult...then I would feel obligated to teach him what I know...since I have long believed that a true mentor is invaluable in learning how to sidestep the game's many pitfalls.

I would never encourage him though...

The skills necessary to beat this game would be much better rewarded in practically any other arena...True words were never spoken. At one time a person with those skills from a lower class back ground might not get the opportunities to put them to work in other ways. I do not believe that has been true for very long time. This game will eat a person without the necessary skills alive. I firmly believe that 99% of the handicappers would be better off if they never had bet a race.The social stigma alone is reason enough not to go near. Even the people who put it on have nothing but contempt for the bettors.

[toussaud]

STAY OUTR MY DREAMS HOT SHOT
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[Robert Goren]

college


you will eventually have a friend that takes everyone to a big race day or a girl who has a dad or a dad's friend who owns a horse and you will go to the track.The only college girls I ever saw at a race track were waiting tables part time and I haven't seen one of them in a long time. For that matter I haven't seen many college boys there either lately.

[toussaud]

or your kid could grow u p and start a business and when he becomes rich decides to buy a race horse or two or 50 and ends up like mike repole, minus the doucheness hopefully.


here is a newsflash....


not everyone that goes to the track, ventures to do this as a "pro" or even a long time hobby. The AVG person, probably goes to the track 2-3 times a year, probably spends a few hundred dollars a year.

I would rather my son, if he is going to go to the track from time to time, to know what the hell he's doing or at least have a resemblance of a clue to what is going on. I will be damned if my son is in line buying freaking green tout sheets.

you showing your son how to read the form as a kid, you are not spawning some type of degenerate by doing so. The degenerateness does not come from not knowing how to read the form or from knowing how to or think you know how to handicap.


Here is another newsflash. if your son grows up to be a broke denerate.. odds are it'sa not horse racings fault. It's not like your son was going to be a harvard grad or anything and horse racing came along and now he's pawning money to make a wager or something. Life doesn't work like that. And if you didn't introduce your mythical degenerate son to horse racing he would find another way to ruin his life, because that's what degenerates do.

[hugh]

Come to Golden Gate on Dollar Day... Hot California Girls basking in the sun... and getting sloshed on dollar brews.. lots of fun!

[thaskalos]

The only college girls I ever saw at a race track were waiting tables part time and I haven't seen one of them in a long time. For that matter I haven't seen many college boys there either lately.
The racetrack is usually where a college education goes to die.

Many a college student has traded in his college degree for the life of a renegade gambler...living off his "wits" at the track.

I know...because I was one of them...

[GaryG]

The racetrack is usually where a college education goes to die.

Many a college student has traded in his college degree for the life of a renegade gambler...living off his "wits" at the track.

I know...because I was one of them...Me too, and I went through two wives before I found one that would put up with the lifestyle. In those days you had to follow the tracks with a semi-nomadic existence. Would not do one thing different either.

[highnote]

I will absolutely teach them how to handicap a race. It's a great laboratory for learning how to make decisions under conditions of uncertainty in everyday life.

Also, the mathematics of gambling are very important -- probability theory.

A lot of great investors and entreprenuers got their start by learning how to accurately assess risks.

[craigbraddick]

I showed interest in racing at a young age and some of my earliest memories are sitting down with my Dad going through the racing papers and watching the sport on TV.

If the child shows interest, teach them about the game, if they do not, concentrate your time as a parent on the things that DO interest them.

Craig

[Relwob Owner]

Not a day goes by when I don't worry that the gambling gene might be inherited...:)

If my son (who is now 12) ever expressed a true interest in this game as an adult...then I would feel obligated to teach him what I know...as I have long believed that a true mentor is invaluable in learning how to sidestep the game's many pitfalls.

I would never encourage him though...

The skills - and effort - necessary to beat this game would be much better rewarded in practically any other arena...


It is definitely a tough call. I have given this a lot of thought recently and was going to post, but read yours and it said it all. Very well put IMO.

[Robert Fischer]

most gamblers and horseplayers would be best to to teach their children a mastery of discipline and moderation before addressing supertrainers and early speed.

personally i suck at these types of questions because I am a big geek. As Thaskalos alluded to I don't want my children to be horseplayers. I do try to get them to focus and learn some of the skill sets.

[off'nclear]

I loved horses from the time I could see...gather that I'd wiggle my teeny fingers as an infant and scream bloody murder if parents didn't immediately stop for me to be closer to the animal. (This will be one LONG "run-on paragraph" as my enter key is having a death throes) My mother taught me fractions, etc using the racing form morning line for the "question", kitchen matches were my money. (She bet at the track by way of her "magic" hat pin poked into the program) My eldest son is genius I.Q., math wizard, but doesn't have the brains of a yealing idiot. I'd be fearful of him at the teller's window. Youngest daughter has uncanny affinity with animals and tells who wins the race, cutting competition, show ring display, or whatever as they enter her sight. Unless she speaks to the rider or handler. Can't teach her a thing! Always wished she'd teach me her "trick"! I don't bet worth a damn...could get the top 4 in a race (not in order) most of the time. But didn't come home with the $$ that hubby did.

[exiles]

My son is now attending college hes now coming home for the summer.My question to this forum is would you ever take time to teach your kids how to handicapp?And do you think its a bad thing since most of the public opinion view is gambling is for degenerates.IMO personally me i would say no,and if i did my wife would put a stop to it quickly!


ONLY IF YOU HATE YOUR KIDS.

[Stillriledup]

Teach him how to play sports, it pays better ;)

[Fort Erie Fanatic]

I think it's perfectly fine. My parents brought me to the track when I was like 8 years old. Learned alot because of it. Wouldn't be the same person without it. I've graduated college, so saying that it will effect someone is an ignorant statement.

If anything going to the horse races will teach your son that "gambling" will take your money and make you humble most of the time.

I'd rather have my future kids around the game of horse racing, than be hanging around the casino where the real "degenerates" hang out.

Note: I'm finally turning a profit for the first time in my life and I'm able to help my father out which is pretty cool.

[thaskalos]

I think it's perfectly fine. My parents brought me to the track when I was like 8 years old. Learned alot because of it. Wouldn't be the same person without it. I've graduated college, so saying that it will effect someone is an ignorant statement.

If anything going to the horse races will teach your son that "gambling" will take your money and make you humble most of the time.

I'd rather have my future kids around the game of horse racing, than be hanging around the casino where the real "degenerates" hang out.

Note: I'm finally turning a profit for the first time in my life and I'm able to help my father out which is pretty cool.
College graduate AND winning horseplayer...all by the age of 20!

Congratulations...:ThmbUp:

[andtheyreoff]

ONLY IF YOU HATE YOUR KIDS.

Way to support the long term future of the game!!!!

IMO, if you like this game, YES.

[exiles]

Way to support the long term future of the game!!!!

IMO, if you like this game, YES.

Why would anyone want to teach their kids a game which is impossible to beat,and is highly addictive .

[Stillriledup]

Why would anyone want to teach their kids a game which is impossible to beat,and is highly addictive .

Its not that addictive, everytime i look up i'm betting a track with an exacta pool of 25k. and not 250k like its supposed to be. If it was addictive, betting pools in America would be much higher.

[andtheyreoff]

Why would anyone want to teach their kids a game which is impossible to beat,and is highly addictive .

Why would you want to participate on a board revolving around a sport you think is impossible to beat, and highly addictive?

[exiles]

[QUOTE=Stillriledup]Its not that addictive, everytime i look up i'm betting a track with an exacta pool of 25k. and not 250k like its supposed to be. If it was addictive, betting pools in America would be much higher.[


My friend if you fall on the horse gambling pit, there is nothing in there to grab onto to lift your self out.

[exiles]

Why would you want to participate on a board revolving around a sport you think is impossible to beat, and highly addictive?

My friend it will take a while but you will find out too.

[magwell]

Do it for sure.... same as going to ballgames etc. its bonding you will have for the rest of your life with him..... the fun that a father and son can have picking horses together, especially if you make a score together is priceless.....:cool:

[thaskalos]

My friend if you fall in the horse gambling pit, there is nothing in there to grab onto to lift yourself out.

Hey...I like this!

May I have your permission to borrow it from time to time? :)

[therussmeister]

Why would anyone want to teach their kids a game which is impossible to beat,and is highly addictive .
I find it to be neither impossible to beat nor highly addictive. In my 26 years at the track I've only known one person that seemed addicted to it. That's probably what's wrong with racing. Is it something we'd want to fix?

[exiles]

Hey...I like this!

May I have your permission to borrow it from time to time? :)


Yes you may THASKALOS, an old friend of mine who passed on a few years ago, told me that when I asked why he doesn't give up, spent most of his adult life trying to beat this game.

Mou eipe ( otan peseis sti lakouva eine thiskola na vgeis ekso yati den eheis na piastis apou pouthena,)---yannis logothetis--

[thaskalos]

I find it to be neither impossible to beat nor highly addictive. In my 26 years at the track I've only known one person that seemed addicted to it. That's probably what's wrong with racing. Is it something we'd want to fix?
It depends on how you define the term "addicted gambler".

I defy any horseplayer worth his salt to take the GAMBLERS ANONYMOUS test on addicted gambling...AND PASS IT! (You know...the one that asks..."Have you ever borrowed money to gamble", or..."Have you ever lied as a result of your gambling", or..."Has gambling ever affected your mood", or..."Has gambling ever caused you to lose time from work", etc...)

[exiles]

I find it to be neither impossible to beat nor highly addictive. In my 26 years at the track I've only known one person that seemed addicted to it. That's probably what's wrong with racing. Is it something we'd want to fix?

God bless you!!!

[thaskalos]

Yes you may THASKALOS, an old friend of mine who passed on a few years ago, told me that when I asked why he doesn't give up, spent most of his adult life trying to beat this game.

Mou eipe ( otan peseis sti lakouva eine thiskola na vgeis ekso yati den eheis na piastis apou pouthena,)---yannis logothetis--
Tou alogopehti, tou psara, tou kinigou to piato...
Deka fores ein'adiano, kai mia fora gemato! :)

[exiles]

It depends on how you define the term "addicted gambler".

I defy any horseplayer worth his salt to take the GAMBLER'S ANONYMOUS test on addicted gambling...AND PASS IT! (You know, the one that asks..."Have you ever borrowed money to gamble", or..."Have you ever lied as a result of your gambling", or..."Has gambling ever affected your mood", etc...)

Bravo Thaskalos.

[exiles]

Tou alogopehti, tou psara, tou kinigou to piato...
Deka fores ein'adiano, kai mia fora gemato! :)

Auti eine Karpathiki pareimia eise karpatheios?

[thaskalos]

Auti eine Karpathiki pareimia eise karpatheios?
Tripolitsiotis.

[exiles]

Tripolitsiotis.


Prepei na eheis fillous Karpathious.

[thaskalos]

Prepei na eheis fillous Karpathious.

Oi Karpathioi lene "tou hartopehti"...ohi "tou alogopehti"...:)

[Fastracehorse]

My son is now attending college hes now coming home for the summer.My question to this forum is would you ever take time to teach your kids how to handicapp?And do you think its a bad thing since most of the public opinion view is gambling is for degenerates.IMO personally me i would say no,and if i did my wife would put a stop to it quickly!

..HELL NO!!

fffastt

[exiles]

Oi Karpathioi lene "tou hartopehti"...ohi "tou alogopehti"...:)

Eheis dikeo legane hartopaikti yati then eihe alogopaiktes totes.

[exiles]

Oi Karpathioi lene "tou hartopehti"...ohi "tou alogopehti"...:)

Ta Amerikanakia etho then ehoun thei kalogerou arhidia.


Pige enas kleftis na klepsi ena ksoklisi yati nomize o kalogeros eleipe kai to
pianei o kalogeros kai ton rihni kato kai tou thinei ena megalo ksilo kai opos itan apo pano tou eithe o kleftis ta arhidia tou kalogerou yati then forouse sovrako
kai opote kokorevotane kanenas sto klefti autos elege ( esei then eheis thi kalogerou arhidia)

[Fastracehorse]

The racetrack is usually where a college education goes to die.

Many a college student has traded in his college degree for the life of a renegade gambler...living off his "wits" at the track.

I know...because I was one of them...

....i manged 2 undergrad degrees ( redundant i know ); while suffering horses and studying; and i mean suffering......

what a way to live; at the track when u have a midterm the next day; then trying to pull together some quality study hours after having your soul destroyed at the track just an hour earlier....

...dropping courses to try and save your GPA....which means the same course in the future....

...the worse: underachieving in both areas because of borrowing time from each endeavour.......

LOL

light heartedness, health, and, success to all of us

fffastt

[Exotic1]

Ta Amerikanakia etho then ehoun thei kalogerou arhidia.


Pige enas kleftis na klepsi ena ksoklisi yati nomize o kalogeros eleipe kai to
pianei o kalogeros kai ton rihni kato kai tou thinei ena megalo ksilo kai opos itan apo pano tou eithe o kleftis ta arhidia tou kalogerou yati then forouse sovrako
kai opote kokorevotane kanenas sto klefti autos elege ( esei then eheis thi kalogerou arhidia)

Are you guys talking about the 3rd at Belmont tom'w?

[BreadandButter]

If my son had an interesting in handicapping of course I would teach him. No different than if he had an interest in computer programming, painting, etc..

I believe (as others have alluded to) that much can be gained from the handicapping experience. Discipline, statistical analysis and money management are just some of the concepts that can be applied throughout life outside of handicapping.

Those opposed to the idea claim, the game isn’t beatable and one’s time would be better spent pursuing other interests and so on. I’m not going to disagree – that may indeed be the case for those individuals. I’ve heard fellow classmates in college and graduate school complaining that the material or work load is overwhelming and quitting. I didn’t disagree with them – perhaps it was simply too difficult or challenging for them.

Personally, the most perplexing statement in your post is that you’re concerned about public opinion. You’re factoring in public opinion as to what you teach your children?

BTW, I don’t think my wife would oppose the idea either considering she often relied on the pari-mutuels to pay her undergrad tuition.

[dav4463]

The way the economy is going he has a better chance of making money at the horse races than he does using his college degree upon graduation!

[dav4463]

The racetrack is usually where a college education goes to die.

Many a college student has traded in his college degree for the life of a renegade gambler...living off his "wits" at the track.

I know...because I was one of them...


I learned how to play the horses while in college with student loan and grant money! I still graduated and had a lot of fun!

[Overlay]

My son (at Harvard Law School) has always been tolerant and understanding (in an amused sort of way) of my pursuit of handicapping as a hobby, but he himself has never shown a serious interest in either the sport or wagering aspects of the game. However, I have no doubt that he could and would succeed at it, if he applied himself to it. (On the other hand, having devoted his time and attention to other pursuits probably explains why he's at Harvard in the first place!)

His view of racing tends to be colored by the occasions when I took him to the Quad City Downs Betting Parlor in East Moline, Illinois (after the track itself had closed down for harness racing) from the time that we lived in Davenport, Iowa (from 1999 (when he was almost twelve) until 2004 (when he finished his junior year in high school)), where he still mentions his memories of a smoke-filled atmosphere, with retired men (whom he invariably refers to as my "bypass buddies" (punctuated with a cough when he says it)) standing in front of TV monitors, watching the stretch run of a race, and yelling, "Come on with that 2! Come on with that 2!" (never referring to the horse by name, only as a number).

I don't believe that my daughter (four years younger than my son) will ever develop the slightest inclination to follow racing in any respect. Her current interests are college and her boyfriend (but not necessarily in that order).

[thaskalos]

Are you guys talking about the 3rd at Belmont tom'w?

Yup...the lengthy layoff of that Greek horse is a big concern. :)

[toussaud]

too much being made out of nothing.

I don't know how to play any type of casino games at all, never been. My dad goes a few times a year, and his wife like every other week.

If i called them and told his wife or him that hey im' going to the casino can one of you show me how to play black jack, it's not like it turns into the karate kid or something where I have to go on this epic journey and i'm wax on and wax offing at 5 in the morning just to learn the basics of the game.

There is not a person here, well not many that if you had a son and he was going to the track and he said something like "I'm going to bet on the gray horse" you wouldn't cringe and give him a few "words of advice", or break out a form and show him or her the basics of what they are looking at.

And if they have fun, maybe they come with you next time and you show them a little more.

[Fastracehorse]

My son (at Harvard Law School) has always been tolerant and understanding (in an amused sort of way) of my pursuit of handicapping as a hobby, but he himself has never shown a serious interest in either the sport or wagering aspects of the game. However, I have no doubt that he could and would succeed at it, if he applied himself to it. (On the other hand, having devoted his time and attention to other pursuits probably explains why he's at Harvard in the first place!)

His view of racing tends to be colored by the occasions when I took him to the Quad City Downs Betting Parlor in East Moline, Illinois (after the track itself had closed down for harness racing) from the time that we lived in Davenport, Iowa (from 1999 (when he was almost twelve) until 2004 (when he finished his junior year in high school)), where he still mentions his memories of a smoke-filled atmosphere, with retired men (whom he invariably refers to as my "bypass buddies" (punctuated with a cough when he says it)) standing in front of TV monitors, watching the stretch run of a race, and yelling, "Come on with that 2! Come on with that 2!" (never referring to the horse by name, only as a number).

I don't believe that my daughter (four years younger than my son) will ever develop the slightest inclination to follow racing in any respect. Her current interests are college and her boyfriend (but not necessarily in that order).

....about your son scholastically.

fffastt

[tundral]

Double hell no son is twenty goes to college does not like horses. May be I should have took him to track since 4 or 5 years old like my father took me . We would spend every weekend at Santa anita ,Hollywood and del mar. All uncles would be their get to visit Mel stute barn.great childhood.

[mannyberrios]

The way the economy is going he has a better chance of making money at the horse races than he does using his college degree upon graduation!This is the quote of the year!

[Robert Goren]

The way the economy is going he has a better chance of making money at the horse races than he does using his college degree upon graduation! The way things are going in horse racing, it might not be around in few years.

[Canarsie]

I will define addictive quite easily.

Do you log on here more than once a day to look at racing only? Anything off topic doesn't count that's a totally different animal.

If the answer is yes then YOU ARE ADDICTED.

[andtheyreoff]

The way things are going in horse racing, it might not be around in few years.

Have you ever had anything positive to say about anything?

[eastie]

Hi I'm eastie and I'm an addict. I think handicapping 101 should be offered in high school. One of the coolest things about this game is that there is so much knowledge out there waiting to be shared, and the guys who have it are looking for people to teach. It is wonderful thing to share your knowledge to an eager student.

When my Dad used to take sht about me and my brother being at the track every day, he used to say, "at least I know where my sons are " and the making scores together part is awesome

[Robert Goren]

Have you ever had anything positive to say about anything?When it comes to horse racing only Oaklawn Park is really the only thing to be real positive about. They are the only place that seems to be getting most things right.There are a couple of really small tracks that are trying some good things but I am afraid they are too far gone for it to matter. It is really hard to optimistic when you see places like CA racing, Parx and Penn National turning their backs on the handicappers. We are talking about kids becoming handicappers here, not becoming horsemen. The outlook for things getting better for handicappers is not good.

[Fort Erie Fanatic]

The way the economy is going he has a better chance of making money at the horse races than he does using his college degree upon graduation!

HAHA So true.

[Fort Erie Fanatic]

College graduate AND winning horseplayer...all by the age of 20!

Congratulations...:ThmbUp:

Thanks. I've actually learned somethings on this site that turned by game around.

I'm actually surprised theirs not more younger players in the game. At the age of 21, with virtually zero responsibility, losing a couple of bucks at the track has no effect on me. Whether I'll be able to play the game as much when I'm married and have a family is another question.

But if you have the time and money, do it when you have the chance. I'd rather take money to the track and be entertained, then buy a case of beer and be drunk.

[castaway01]

Have you ever had anything positive to say about anything?

No, he's busy trying to get NJ and CA racetracks shut down from Nebraska. Goren is the king of the trolls here at PaceAdvantage, a guy who hates gambling and racing yet his whole life revolves around posting about it. Put him on ignore.

As far as introducing my son to racing, well, I won't rush into making him a gambler, but he's already picking horses better than I am, so why not? Anyway, if I avoid telling him about horse racing, since there are lotteries, casinos, poker games, and sports betting every corner, what room would I have to lock him in until he's 21 to keep him from ever hearing about gambling? It's probably best to educate him to the dangers of it right from the start.

[Dahoss9698]

Where can I find hot girls that drag guys to the track, please?

Fantasy land?

[Casino]

Fantasy land?

Hasnt tatoo passed away yet?