Kiaran P. McLaughlin is making a huge mistake

[toussaud]

By shorting up trappe shot and not running him 2 turns anymore for 2 reasons


1. he has no basis for not running him 2 turns anymore. he is a grade 3 winner and grade 1 placed going 2 turns. the only time he was off the board in his 2 turn travers, he was sidelined for over 6 months after the race. he has done nothing to suggfest he can't handle 2 turns

2. this handicap group, is not as good as it was last year.

why are you running for less money in harder races? why are you trying to beat horses like smiling tiger, morning line and damn what is the horse out west that keeps winning all the races, name escapes me now.. for 200k pots when you can be running in races like the suburban against the likes of haynesfield and rodman for 500k? That doesn't make sense to me.


I think he's making a big mistake here.

[theguarantee]

Maybe he doesn't want to have to sideline him another 6 months?

[lamboguy]

kiram don't make to many mistakes!

[the little guy]

kiram don't make to many mistakes!

But you sure do.

[NTamm1215]

By shorting up trappe shot and not running him 2 turns anymore for 2 reasons


1. he has no basis for not running him 2 turns anymore. he is a grade 3 winner and grade 1 placed going 2 turns. the only time he was off the board in his 2 turn travers, he was sidelined for over 6 months after the race. he has done nothing to suggfest he can't handle 2 turns

2. this handicap group, is not as good as it was last year.

why are you running for less money in harder races? why are you trying to beat horses like smiling tiger, morning line and damn what is the horse out west that keeps winning all the races, name escapes me now.. for 200k pots when you can be running in races like the suburban against the likes of haynesfield and rodman for 500k? That doesn't make sense to me.


I think he's making a big mistake here.

Which two turn race from last year should have convinced him so much?

Was it his Long Branch victory where he beat Nacho Friend (who's in a N2X on Friday at Mth and is 0-6 since) and Southern Ridge (who was fourth in a N1X on Saturday at Mth)? Or his 2nd place finish in the Haskell? Did you happen to see what was behind him that day?

Trappe Shot's two best races were his allowance win on Belmont day and his win last time out in the Waldeboro. They were both sprints. The horse obviously has some issues anyway, since he was away from the races for 8+ months for no apparent reason.

McLaughlin is doing the right thing and with Smilling Tiger's defection he'll be a heavy favorite in the True North.

[toussaud]

Which two turn race from last year should have convinced him so much?

Was it his Long Branch victory where he beat Nacho Friend (who's in a N2X on Friday at Mth and is 0-6 since) and Southern Ridge (who was fourth in a N1X on Saturday at Mth)? Or his 2nd place finish in the Haskell? Did you happen to see what was behind him that day?

Trappe Shot's two best races were his allowance win on Belmont day and his win last time out in the Waldeboro. They were both sprints. The horse obviously has some issues anyway, since he was away from the races for 8+ months for no apparent reason.

McLaughlin is doing the right thing and with Smilling Tiger's defection he'll be a heavy favorite in the True North.

horse can't control who was in the races and who was behind him.

the only horse to legitly beat him going 2 turns, just so happens to be the 3YO eclipse award winner and you decide he's not cut out for 2 turns becuase of that. that's an awful decision IMHO.

[Linny]

While I agree with Toussaud's point, I tend to think that KMc probably knows the horse better than I do. I'd have loved to have seen him have a 7-8f campaign with races like the Carter and Met but I guess he wasn't really ready in time. Maybe the BCDMile and/or Cigar would make good late season goals for him.

[lamboguy]

But you sure do.i think i make about 50 mistakes on a daily basis, who makes more a classy guy like yourself or me?

[toetoe]

Toussaud,

Are you thinking of Amazombie ?




One thing TLG loved and failed to snip about was a Tom Durkin call, to wit:

"... and here ... comes ... St-u-u-ud Muf-fin !!!"

[toetoe]

Hey, I remembered Amazombie off the top of my pointed little head. Someone might mistake me for a racing fan. :jump:

[cj]

Hey, I remembered Amazombie off the top of my pointed little head. Someone might mistake me for a racing fan. :jump:

You drinking or something? Chill out man....

[toussaud]

Toussaud,

Are you thinking of Amazombie ?




One thing TLG loved and failed to snip about was a Tom Durkin call, to wit:

"... and here ... comes ... St-u-u-ud Muf-fin !!!"
yes that's the horse i am thinking of. Knew it started with an A

the sprint division is not a walk over this year. I don't see why you wold want to dive into it.

not even to mention the 3 best sprinters in the country are all 3YO's, mo, the factor and flashpoint

[NTamm1215]

horse can't control who was in the races and who was behind him.

the only horse to legitly beat him going 2 turns, just so happens to be the 3YO eclipse award winner and you decide he's not cut out for 2 turns becuase of that. that's an awful decision IMHO.

The Travers doesn't count?

McLaughlin was flirting with the idea of keeping him sprinting as recently as prior to the Travers. He was seriously contemplating the King's Bishop after the Haskell.

Basically, at this point the horse has proven to be a good sprinter. His trainer is keeping him sprinting. That's a great decision.

yes that's the horse i am thinking of. Knew it started with an A

the sprint division is not a walk over this year. I don't see why you wold want to dive into it.

not even to mention the 3 best sprinters in the country are all 3YO's, mo, the factor and flashpoint

Did you intend to contradict yourself? You think the sprint division is so deep but the 3 best sprinters are 3YOs? Trappe Shot probably wouldn't face a 3YO sprinter until October at best, but they should keep him out of that division? There's a pretty good chance he could be stretched out to a mile by then anyway.

[toussaud]

The Travers doesn't count?

McLaughlin was flirting with the idea of keeping him sprinting as recently as prior to the Travers. He was seriously contemplating the King's Bishop after the Haskell.

Basically, at this point the horse has proven to be a good sprinter. His trainer is keeping him sprinting. That's a great decision.



Did you intend to contradict yourself? You think the sprint division is so deep but the 3 best sprinters are 3YOs? Trappe Shot probably wouldn't face a 3YO sprinter until October at best, but they should keep him out of that division? There's a pretty good chance he could be stretched out to a mile by then anyway.
you are trying way too hard

my post makes perfect sense.

[Tom]

Not to Kiaran.

[Dahoss9698]

This thread is another example of how awesome the internet is.

[Tom]

No one made you read it.

[Pell Mell]

I've got no use for him after the way he F**ked up Uptowncharlybrown. :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:

[onefast99]

i think i make about 50 mistakes on a daily basis, who makes more a classy guy like yourself or me?
You are one of the best lambo!

[NTamm1215]

If this thread doesn't epitomize everything that's bad about this board, I don't know what does. Well, I guess Stillneverright could have posted.

[Tom]

What exactly is it that is bad here?

[Dahoss9698]

No one made you read it.

Quality not quantity.

[PaceAdvantage]

It's funny...every so often, somebody posts in a thread like NTamm1215 just did...but when I ask them what should be done to improve things, they never have any concrete suggestions, other then I should be tougher on the little guy.... :lol:

So what posts should have been censored? Who should be banned to make this a better place? Speak up....

[Tom]

Quality not quantity.

You seem to be leaning towards quantity lately. How much money did this thread make for you?

[Dahoss9698]

If this thread doesn't epitomize everything that's bad about this board, I don't know what does. Well, I guess Stillneverright could have posted.

You seem to be leaning towards quantity lately. How much money did this thread make for you?

Yep, you've nailed it Ntamm. Tom's response is a great example of what you're talking about.

[FenceBored]

You seem to be leaning towards quantity lately. How much money did this thread make for you?

This thread and your post in particular has given me the idea of PA Poster Voodoo Dolls. Mike, of course, would have to approve the idea and would get a cut, and the posters would have to get a cut of the profits on sales of their merchandise. So, maybe Dahoss can make some money off this thread.

[toussaud]

i don't get the big deal? it's my opinion. that's why we come here. I provided 2 legit reasons to why I think he's making a mistake. If you don't like it we can talk about it and you can show me why I'm wrong. But saying "that's what's wrong with the forum" simply because I have an opinion that might not be 100% company line, is absurd.

[Tom]

I thought that myself......guess opinions are not welcome by some here.

[Spalding No!]

he has no basis for not running him 2 turns anymore. he is a grade 3 winner and grade 1 placed going 2 turns. the only time he was off the board in his 2 turn travers, he was sidelined for over 6 months after the race. he has done nothing to suggfest he can't handle 2 turns

So what two turn races up to this point should he have run in?

I guess he could have been drilled by Friend Or Foe and Rail Trip in that overnight stakes the other day.

Or he could have tackled Drosselmeyer over 12f in the Brooklyn off a 6f comeback race.

He might have needed another 6 months or so if he was as poorly spotted as you hoped.

[Spalding No!]

horse can't control who was in the races and who was behind him.

the only horse to legitly beat him going 2 turns, just so happens to be the 3YO eclipse award winner and you decide he's not cut out for 2 turns becuase of that. that's an awful decision IMHO.

Lookin At Lucky also beat Noble's Promise, Ywanna Twist, Jackson Bend, and Thiskyhasnolimit--all milers at best--in his major victories last year.

[Casino]

Not a mistake here.

[toussaud]

doesn 't hcnage anything i said at all. i never said he couln't win. i said he's throwing away money / a classy handicap horse.


that race he just ran would probably win 8 out of 10 grade 1 handicap division races this year.

[GatetoWire]

Maybe a classy handicap horse but he looks like one of the very best sprinters in the country.
Not sure I could argue that he should ever route again after that effort.

[toussaud]

Maybe a classy handicap horse but he looks like one of the very best sprinters in the country.
Not sure I could argue that he should ever route again after that effort.
while i see the point you also have to remember, horses like amazombie would have mauled this field as well. not to mention the factor when he comes back


i still think it's a mistake. it's defiantly debatable but I think this horse has a lot of ghostzapper in him. probably a sprinter but defiantly classy enough to go 2 turns.

Also keep in mind he's a year older and it's not like his pedigree isn't built for 2 turns

[NTamm1215]

If you can't understand why Trappe Shot should be sprinting after the display that he put on yesterday then you're beyond help.

[PaceAdvantage]

If you can't understand why Trappe Shot should be sprinting after the display that he put on yesterday then you're beyond help.Is anyone really beyond help? Why do so many replies take a personal tone these days?

It's getting ****ING TIRESOME.

[NTamm1215]

Is anyone really beyond help? Why do so many replies take a personal tone these days?

It's getting ****ING TIRESOME.

The original poster in this thread made a statement about what types of races Trappe Shot should be pointed towards. When asked a question about it he excluded a horrible race the horse had at two turns. When asked again he told me I was trying too hard and his post made perfect sense. So, clearly I was unaware that there are certain people here that you are not supposed to dispute, at least not with any type of rational discourse.

Read this thread for more handiwork.

http://paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84171&page=1&pp=15

[Cardus]

If you can't understand why Trappe Shot should be sprinting after the display that he put on yesterday then you're beyond help.

This post is fine.

It's beyond clear that he should remain in sprints.

[toetoe]

Toussaud,

I'm with you on your general idea. Calling it a huge mistake was just an overreaction. No biggie.

Although route races are much more lucrative than sprints, the True North (Grade II) was worth $250,000 ( :eek: ), and light for a top grade stakes (no Friend or Foe ;) ). He has plenty of time to stretch out.

[PaceAdvantage]

The original poster in this thread made a statement about what types of races Trappe Shot should be pointed towards. When asked a question about it he excluded a horrible race the horse had at two turns. When asked again he told me I was trying too hard and his post made perfect sense. So, clearly I was unaware that there are certain people here that you are not supposed to dispute, at least not with any type of rational discourse.

Read this thread for more handiwork.

http://paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84171&page=1&pp=15It doesn't matter. I'm telling you that I'm sick and tired of people taking threads personal, no matter the reason and no matter the people involved.

Take this as a warning going forward.

[toetoe]

going forward.


Oh no you didn't. You did not just use the gee eff words. :bang:



Oh, well. I guess it is what it is. :rolleyes:

[toussaud]

Toussaud,

I'm with you on your general idea. Calling it a huge mistake was just an overreaction. No biggie.

Although route races are much more lucrative than sprints, the True North (Grade II) was worth $250,000 ( :eek: ), and light for a top grade stakes (no Friend or Foe ;) ). He has plenty of time to stretch out.
still think he calls an audible around saratoga time

[NTamm1215]

It doesn't matter. I'm telling you that I'm sick and tired of people taking threads personal, no matter the reason and no matter the people involved.

Take this as a warning going forward.

A warning of what, to not disagree with someone on your board?

[PaceAdvantage]

A warning of what, to not disagree with someone on your board?Yeah, that's what I said. :rolleyes:

[NTamm1215]

Yeah, that's what I said. :rolleyes:

Clearly you viewed me saying that anyone who doesn't think that Trappe Shot is best off sprinting is beyond help as some type of personal insult of the original poster in this thread. If that's the case, I disagree. I think his opinion on this topic is wrong and made that clear multiple times, each time without using a personal insult.