New Classes

[Dave Schwartz]

I am interested in starting some new classes. Nothing of the magnitude of Basics of Winning, which will go 5 weeks.

Rather, I am thinking one-night classes. Free, or almost free.

So, the first question is, what category of classes would you be interested in?


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

[dansan]

blackjack :jump:

[thaskalos]

Dave...

It has always been my contention that knowledge alone is not enough to beat this game. In horseracing - as in any other profession or craft - the only way to REALLY learn is by DOING.

How about a class where you "systematically" pick apart a few races...giving us the opportunity to "look over the shoulder" of a knowledgeable player as he practices his craft.

I think it would be very informative...

[OFFandRUNNING10]

Dave...

It has always been my contention that knowledge alone is not enough to beat this game. In horseracing - as in any other profession or craft - the only way to REALLY learn is by DOING.

How about a class where you "systematically" pick apart a few races...giving us the opportunity to "look over the shoulder" of a knowledgeable player as he practices his craft.

I think it would be very informative...

I really do like this idea. It is kind of how I learned to play myself...by watching others in my family. Seeing how they broke down a race and what caught their attention was most informative to me. Would love to see how others do this as well. I am not opposed to some other knowledge as well. However, I think this would be an extremely useful guide/tip to actually learning something. Great idea!

[Dave Schwartz]

How about a class where you "systematically" pick apart a few races...giving us the opportunity to "look over the shoulder" of a knowledgeable player as he practices his craft.

If you were attending Basics of Winning, we'd call that "Tuesday." That is precisely what tomorrow night's class is about.


However, I get your point. That does sound like an interesting class.

Of course, analyzing a race from a beginner's level is different than on an advanced level, no?


Dave

[Casino]

If you were attending Basics of Winning, we'd call that "Tuesday." That is precisely what tomorrow night's class is about.


However, I get your point. That does sound like an interesting class.

Of course, analyzing a race from a beginner's level is different than on an advanced level, no?


Dave

Dave,what about a live video of a saturday afternoon of you breaking down a couple of races.You capping a race from start to finish on live video would be great,

[Dave Schwartz]

You mean the way I handicap or the way I think you should handicap?

[Casino]

You mean the way I handicap or the way I think you should handicap?
The way you handicap races.

[Dave Schwartz]

The way you handicap races.

That is what I thought you meant.

I am not sure people are interested in seeing what I do when they cannot reproduce it themselves.

[Sly7449]

Dave,

On 22 March 2011 you presented a Webinar and the Theme was "Fact Finding Interview About What Ways You Can Help the Users Achieve A Higher Level".

Amongst the numerous Polls, was one for Live Play Sessions. As I recall, 29% of the 40 in attendance voted a 5 (A Lot), 38% voted 4, 25% voted 3, 8% voted 2 and 0 voted 1 (Very Little).

Did you ever follow up on any those classes or are they still in the Development Phase or did you file all those Polls?

Just a bit surprised that a new project just may bump the previous.

Sly

[Dave Schwartz]

I have done several, via our Skype chat.

In fact, I posted picks just the other day. Races are still up.
Here was my final result - played top horse in each race. Passed races with low-priced FTS. It was not a great day win% wise, but profitable.

http://www.horsestreet.com/BBSImages/LivePlayRecords/LivePlay-2011-06-05.png


Dave

(Sorry - had to move and rename it so that it would stay.)

[pktruckdriver]

Dave,

On 22 March 2011 you presented a Webinar and the Theme was "Fact Finding Interview About What Ways You Can Help the Users Achieve A Higher Level".

Amongst the numerous Polls, was one for Live Play Sessions. As I recall, 29% of the 40 in attendance voted a 5 (A Lot), 38% voted 4, 25% voted 3, 8% voted 2 and 0 voted 1 (Very Little).

Did you ever follow up on any those classes or are they still in the Development Phase or did you file all those Polls?

Just a bit surprised that a new project just may bump the previous.

Sly


Sly, long time no hear from you man, but this time I must say you make a great point, moving on to the next project is great, but not before finishing doing the old Live Play that we seem to always have a Poll on, and rather it was beginner or advanced level of handicapping as race, both would be incredibly informative to all who witnessed it, of course it would be.

Just my thoughts, wow Sly pretty close to yours too, sorry... :lol:

[Kevroc]

I have done several, via our Skype chat.

In fact, I posted picks just the other day. Races are still up.
Here was my final result - played top horse in each race. Passed races with low-priced FTS. It was not a great day win% wise, but profitable.

http://www.horsestreet.com/BBSImages/LivePlayRecords/LivePlay-2011-06-05.png


Dave

(Sorry - had to move and rename it so that it would stay.)

So the profit was all rebate?

[thaskalos]

That is what I thought you meant.

I am not sure people are interested in seeing what I do when they cannot reproduce it themselves.
I would disagree with you on that Dave...

For the last 5 years or so, I have gotten quite interested in online poker...to the extent where I read almost every serious book written on the subject.

And then -- about a year ago -- I joined an online poker-training school...where a subscriber pays a monthly fee in order to be given the chance to observe an expert poker player as he plies his trade at the tables.

The subscriber gets to see the player's hole cards...and also gets to hear the player, as he explains his thought process and his decisions throughout the poker session.

What an enlightening experience that turned out to be...and how much more informative it was than just reading the books about the game!

[OFFandRUNNING10]

If you were to break down some races, I think it would definitely be better to do it how you honestly would do it. Not how you're necessarily "supposed" to. I think outside of the beginners we all know how we are supposed to break a race down. However, we all know that we have our own little ways and techniques of picking out horses.

It would be most interesting to see how you really do it as if you were personally playing the card. When you do it, the most beneficial thing, at least to me, is to explain why something jumped out at you...why it caught your eye to note and mark. What type of more unique things do you try to pick up on. Things like that will be most beneficial for players who already know how to read and pick out things from PPs. Just my thoughts.

[Robert Goren]

I would disagree with you on that Dave...

For the last 5 years or so, I have gotten quite interested in online poker...to the extent where I read almost every serious book written on the subject.

And then -- about a year ago -- I joined an online poker-training school...where a subscriber pays a monthly fee in order to be given the chance to observe an expert poker player as he plies his trade at the tables.

The subscriber gets to see the player's hole cards...and also gets to hear the player, as he explains his thought process and his decisions throughout the poker session.

What an enlightening experience that turned out to be...and how much more informative it was than just reading the books about the game!Which school did join?

[Dave Schwartz]

Thaskalos and OaR,

It would be most interesting to see how you really do it as if you were personally playing the card. When you do it, the most beneficial thing, at least to me, is to explain why something jumped out at you...why it caught your eye to note and mark. What type of more unique things do you try to pick up on. Things like that will be most beneficial for players who already know how to read and pick out things from PPs. Just my thoughts.

I think this would be true if I did not use such an automated approach.

My personal approach is mostly what is know as "NewPace" with a couple of twists thrown in at the end.

I fear that the process of how i got there would become repetitive very quickly. Since it is so software-based, unless I am prepared to share the specific factors, weightings, etc. (which I am not) nobody could duplicate. Heck, even if I did share it completely, only my users (and some really bright people) could figure out how to duplicate it.

BTW, I am playing live this morning - more for bragging rights than anything.

And I am playing a one-horse per race approach.

If anyone would care to join us, just contact me via Skype at DaveSchwReno.


Dave

[thaskalos]

Which school did join?
Cardrunners.com

Best poker training on the internet.

[Helles]

I agree with you guys on this and Thaskalos makes a good point. (Thaskalos is one of the 'minds' I was referring to in another thread about Dave's magazine idea.)

Anyway, I would have to say that what Dave said earlier would satisfy many of you. It wouldn't be 'live', but Dave is essentially showing you how he plays a race in his Basics of Winning class.

I can tell you from personal experience that on occasion he uses different methods to HANDICAP the race and arrive at his contenders, but betting these contenders, exploiting the work done handicapping the race, is what he shows you how to do.

I can recommend this class without reservation.

Doug

PS. I'm editing this because on reflection, I think Dave is going to give some pointers on improving contender selection in an upcoming class. Dave?

[Dave Schwartz]

Actually, I am.

Understand that the BOW class is a very advanced class. (Perhaps the title needs an explanation.)

I titled it the "basics" of winning because despite the fact that these concepts are very advanced, they are, in fact, basic to becoming a winner. Even though I am not a golfer, I think it is a great source for analogies.

If you are a golfer, your idea of golf fundamentals would likely begin with things like stance, grip and swing.

If you are a PGA-level golfer, your idea of the fundamentals is on a much higher level because things like stance, grip and swing were covered when you were like 7 years old.


The point is that in order to win at horse racing you must master some concepts that to most people will seem very advanced, when in reality they are very basic to the winning player.


(See how easily I get off track?)

Anyway, yes, Doug, on Tuesday I will offer up a few ideas for contender selection. Some of those will be very basic, a couple of others very advanced.

Mostly I will discuss ways to more easily (than you would think) develop what I call the "OOP" handicapping object. That stands for "Order of Preference," and is simply the order which you separate with handicapping.


Dave

[jdhanover]

For those wondering, the BOW class/series is extremely informative. All the handicapping in the world goes up in smoke if you don't know HOW to bet. I've been playing this game for 30 years and this is the first truly informative thing on betting that I have seen. Other stuff out there turns out to either be wrong, or at best, not helpful.

Looking forward to Tuesday night's session Dave!

[Kevroc]

For those wondering, the BOW class/series is extremely informative. All the handicapping in the world goes up in smoke if you don't know HOW to bet. I've been playing this game for 30 years and this is the first truly informative thing on betting that I have seen. Other stuff out there turns out to either be wrong, or at best, not helpful.

Looking forward to Tuesday night's session Dave!

Agree 100%

The mantra is undeniable.. asking yourself that question over and over.. Why am I betting this race? and How do I extract the most value?

and it all begins with the contender process.. the ones you throw out are more important than the ones you keep in..

Highly recommend these vids.. excellent stuff.

[WPL]

The 'Basics of Winning' seminars have offered far more than the 'basic' information that the title would suggest.

Dave Schwartz always has a lot of great 'new' ideas. Wondering what the next one is....

Bill