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hdcper
09-26-2001, 12:24 AM
Hi Everyone,

I was reading an article posted over at TrackMaster called Exacta Do’s or Don’ts by James Quinn. Below is a portion of that article which indicates a so-called error on the part of a bettor. The more I thought about the article, the more I felt a need to verify what was said. After reading Mr. Quinn’s comments please see my analysis below and please feel to correct my thought process if I am wrong (realize actual payoffs on a similar event certainly has merit in what play is the best on said occasion as is the opinion of the bettor in how often the longshot will win the race).


“Years ago a woman in a seminar at Santa Anita liked a 40-1 shot and an even-money shot. She went to the window and bought a $20 quinella. The 40-1 shot won by a nose. The quinella returned $65 for $2. The woman pocketed $650 and was delighted.

If the woman had invested the same $20 in the recommended manner, this is what would have transpired. The exacta with the 40-1 on top of the 1-1 shot paid $185 for $2. A $10 exacta with the 40-1 shot on top only would have enriched the lady by $925.00. A $10 quinella would have added another $325, for a total haul of $1,250.00, which is richer by far than $650.00. The same $20, but invested in a slightly different way, illustrates the importance of using the more effective betting strategies in exacta and quinella wagering. The woman in the Santa Anita seminar will never make that mistake again. She was crestfallen in victory, and nodded her agreement that if the same mistake were repeated 10 times a year, the cost would be $6,000.00.

How many handicappers can afford to make the same kind of mistake 10 times a season?”

Now to my analysis:

First lets assume that the even money shot has a 50% chance of winning and the 40 to 1 shot has a 2.5% of winning (I do realize that both actually have less of a chance to win because of the track take, but for simplicity decided to complete analysis using these figures).

Thus, the probability of the favorite finishing first with the longshot running second is as follows: .50 times .025 divided by .5 or roughly 2.5% of the time

The probability of the longshot finishing first with the favorite second is as follows:
.025 times .50 divided by .975 or roughly 1.28% or the time

Again for simplicity, lets say 1 unit is played on the quinella combination rather than $20 and a ½ unit is played on the quinella and longshot exacta combination rather than $10 on each.

Therefore, the quinella wager returns as follows:

1 times 3.78 times $65, which equals $245.70

NOTE: the 3.78 is 2.5 plus 1.28 likelihood of hitting either way out of a 100 races

The exacta/quinella strategy looks like this:

½ times 3.78 times $65 (quinella play) plus ½ times 1.28 times $185 (longshot exacta play) which equals $241.25

In conclusion, it appears to me the overall return slightly favors playing just as the player did. Again, monitoring actual payoffs truly determines the best strategy not what is indicated in this viewpoint.

Hdcper

Que
09-26-2001, 01:44 AM
hdcper,

I would agree with your assessment. Both the exacta and quinella pools are individual wagers and must be valued according to their projected payoffs. My only caveat would be the size of your bet... i.e. you are much more likely to reduce your payoff with a large quinella bet than with a large exacta bet, because the quinella pools are much smaller. For comparsion purposes, below are 21 actual examples, 1 Jan 01-31 Mar 01, of horses winning with odds between 35-1 and 45-1 and their respective $2 exacta and $2 quinella payoffs. However, in these examples--even when you divide the exacta payoff in half, the payoff was still more than the quinella in 19 of 21 instances. Therefore, in the case of 40-1 winners, James Quinn's assumption is probably correct and you would be much better off holding a $2 exacta ticket than a $4 quinella.


Horse Date Track Finish Odds-1 Odds-2 Exacta Quinella
STIMULATE 1/8/2001 TuP 1 40.5 3.4 808.4 229.6
DUNHAM`S BAG 1/13/2001 FG 1 41.3 16.1 84.6 348
WESTERN PRINCE 1/19/2001 SA 1 44.3 4.7 558.4 224.8
BARONESS KENMARE 1/25/2001 GG 1 35.9 8.1 454 134.8
BRAVO AGAIN 2/5/2001 TuP 1 36.8 1.7 398.8 103.2
DANCE ON THE BAYOU 2/4/2001 FG 1 35.1 6.5 567.4 198
SONG OF THE YEAR 2/10/2001 GG 1 38 9.4 1115.8 416
MATTER OF COURSE 2/12/2001 FG 1 43.1 4.4 542.2 154.8
MANZOTTI`S REVENGE 2/8/2001 Hou 1 36.7 10.7 916 454.8
VICTORIOUS DANCER 2/16/2001 FG 1 36.8 7.8 476 188.8
SANDY TIME 2/16/2001 TuP 1 37.5 3.5 325.6 156.2
BEAUNASKRA 2/22/2001 Tam 1 39.1 10.0 901.4 233.6
PRINCESS ROJA 2/24/2001 TuP 1 37.4 9.1 1086.2 311.4
TYPHOON TAFFY 3/8/2001 DeD 1 35.8 1.9 750.6 105.2
CRESTA RED 3/8/2001 PM 1 37.1 5.4 716.4 128.4
SECOND LINING 3/12/2001 FG 1 42 1.9 249 103.2
MEMPHIS 3/15/2001 SA 1 40.2 31.3 789.8 513.4
GATTO FORTUNATO 3/15/2001 SA 1 43.6 3.4 329.2 101
SPARKLES OF LUCK 3/26/2001 FG 1 44 1.3 286.8 80.2
CHECK POINT 3/26/2001 TuP 1 37.5 17.8 825.6 264
TERRAFORMING 3/27/2001 TuP 1 38.7 2.1 300.8 107.4

Que.

hdcper
09-28-2001, 01:00 AM
Que,

Appreciate your comments and the time you took to run and post excellent examples. Like always agree with everything you have said.

I continue to feel bets which offer the handicapper the ability to monitor actual payoffs are the best investment over blind pools such as pick3, pick4, trifecta, etc.

Thanks again,

Hdcper

FortuneHunter
09-28-2001, 10:16 AM
I would like to make the comment that in this age of Information Technology, there should be no "blind pools". All mutuel information should be available to the bettor electronically. For example, in a pick 3 wager on 3 races with 8 horses each, there would be 512 combinations (or probables). Granted, that would be a lot of information to look at on a Monitor. However it would be easy to develop a computer program products to allow the user to "filter" to display the combinations you are interested in. 2,5,10 w/ 1,8 w/ 3,4,6 is only 18 probables to look at.

hurrikane
09-28-2001, 10:18 AM
Interesting data Que.

hdcper
Only thing I would add is that you are assuming the 40-1 shot actually had 2.5% chance of winning and wasn' t an overlay. I would disagree with that assumtion but the rest your logic is sound.

As for blind pools...I'm addicted to pick 4s. I love the bet and play them almost every day with great success. As long as you are playing large pools the payoffs are surprisingly high, esp at PIM where chalk runs all day. You can play 2-1 shots for 4 races and walk away with 9 or 900 bucks. While I can usually guess about what they will pay if my horses come in based on the MLO I am usually surprised at how much they do pay. Only twice have they paid considerably less than expected, both at SAR..one paid about $50...I had the friggin thing 2.5 times..made a whopping 50 bucks on an $80 bet. Then the big Travers day p4...I think everyone in world played All 6 7 All. Good thing a longshot came in in the 11th or it wouldn't have paid the pathetic 1,000 it paid...and out of a 1.2 mil pool. Except for those two instances I've been loving the p4 bet.