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andymays
05-12-2011, 10:56 AM
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/australia-to-require-disclosure-of-surgeries/

Excerpt:

"Trainers need to be more conscious of the punter," Bailey said. "Now they will be required to report any sort of surgery, whether it be upper respiratory or even any sign of lameness or gait dysfunction… Any horse, any time, if something's happened we believe the customer has the right to know.''

Isn't that a refreshing concept: treating the customer with respect.

Australia won't be the first racing country to require this type of disclosure. Hong Kong, which has the world's highest handle per racing program, has complete transparency on the medical records of its racehorses.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/australia-to-require-disclosure-of-surgeries/

rwwupl
05-12-2011, 01:00 PM
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/australia-to-require-disclosure-of-surgeries/

Excerpt:

"Trainers need to be more conscious of the punter," Bailey said. "Now they will be required to report any sort of surgery, whether it be upper respiratory or even any sign of lameness or gait dysfunction… Any horse, any time, if something's happened we believe the customer has the right to know.''

Isn't that a refreshing concept: treating the customer with respect.



That statement says a lot. Horse racing has many interests and all must be served.
rw

thaskalos
05-12-2011, 01:28 PM
It's not easy for American trainers to treat us horseplayers with respect.

They haven't had the practice...

andymays
05-13-2011, 09:15 AM
Front page of Equidaily for 5-13-2011

http://www.equidaily.com/

>>> Feb 2005... SoCal trainer's runner comes back after four months to win as the second longest price in the field... Conditioner tells LA Times columnist who lost a bet that the writer had 'no chance' of picking the winner because since his last race the horse 'underwent a surgical procedure and now he could breathe.' The trainer added, "No one has any right to know except the owners, who paid for the surgery."

>>> April 2005... Liebman: Wygod, Canani and Sweet Catomine - What are the issues?... "Except for major races, a horse's physical deficiencies are almost never revealed to the public." [pdf]

Horseplayersbet.com
05-13-2011, 09:46 AM
Front page of Equidaily for 5-13-2011

http://www.equidaily.com/

>>> Feb 2005... SoCal trainer's runner comes back after four months to win as the second longest price in the field... Conditioner tells LA Times columnist who lost a bet that the writer had 'no chance' of picking the winner because since his last race the horse 'underwent a surgical procedure and now he could breathe.' The trainer added, "No one has any right to know except the owners, who paid for the surgery."


Martha Stewart wound up in jail for something similar. If the owner, trainer or anyone who had knowledge of the operation bet on the horse, I don't see it any differently than trading a stock with knowledge that isn't public yet.

thaskalos
05-13-2011, 10:12 AM
http://www.equidaily.com/

"No one has any right to know except the owners, who paid for the surgery. Except for major races, a horse's physical deficiencies are almost never revealed to the public." [pdf]

I don't blame them!

They do enough for us customers by "putting on a show". Why should they also have to help us in forming an informed opinion about the races we bet our money on?

I mean...it's not like our financial futures are somehow connected or something...:rolleyes:

Grits
05-13-2011, 10:46 AM
You guys that bet for your living, or create and offer software or handicapping supplements to a longtime client base, you may wanna walk out your door, get in, start your car and point it in the direction of your nearest UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICE. Because gentlemen, at this rate, between the various threads in this folder, just at the present time, those betting daily, or even occasionally, including myself, ARE GETTING SCREWED more and more everyday. And nobody in racing, the management, the tracks, the breeders, the horseman or the owners, gives a tinker's damn.

The game all about them; it is not about including the wagering public.

Here is another requirement being made to the benefit of the wagering public, this time, not in Hong Kong, in Australia.

Thoroughbred racing will be around in these countries long after its demise in this one.

Linny
05-13-2011, 04:19 PM
With about 2 minutes to post it was announced on Versus last Sat. that Sassy Image had recently had throat surgery after an inexplicably bad effort in her prior run. With 2 minutes to go on DERBY DAY it was a bit late for anyone to adjust their wagers. If the hosts on Versus knew this, why was it held until 2 minutes to post? I realize that betting is not their "thing" but to act like this wasn't important info is unreal. I think that Versus/NBC really should have at least one or two actually racing/betting consultants to help them wade through what is important to viewers who are betting.

of course if there was a disclosure rule it would have been published and I wouldn't have been dependant on the sports equivalent of the Lifetime Network for wagering info.