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toussaud
05-07-2011, 07:11 PM
watching the race again, he moved way too early, like he has never ran at the track before. wow that was bad.

Mineshaft
05-07-2011, 07:15 PM
he did move a tad early

Casino
05-07-2011, 07:16 PM
he did move a tad early


Did it cost him the race?

andymays
05-07-2011, 07:17 PM
I think Animal Kingdom was going to beat him today no matter what.

Mineshaft
05-07-2011, 07:18 PM
Did it cost him the race?




good question i think it did.

boogazie
05-07-2011, 07:18 PM
Not sure he would have beat Animal Kingdom anyway. I think he saw that the pace was a bit slow and decided to get first run on everyone else. It almost worked.

Casino
05-07-2011, 07:22 PM
good question i think it did.

WOW

btw NICE HIT ON THE TRI!

Mineshaft
05-07-2011, 07:24 PM
WOW

btw NICE HIT ON THE TRI!




thanks still alive on the Pick 4

ArlJim78
05-07-2011, 07:27 PM
he was much more forwardly placed then I expected. then on top of that he moved too early imo.

PhantomOnTour
05-08-2011, 02:18 AM
I think he rode a great race. He was coming out of the far outside post and probably didn't want to play the traffic prone closers role. Nehro does have some speed-he isn't a dead closer-he was close to the pace in the LaDby (which has had good form with the 2nd and 3rd Derby finishers coming from that race....where they also ran 2nd & 3rd).
Not everyone gets the Calvin trip and Corey & Assmussen probably discussed this tactic. He did what you're supposed to do: get your horse in good position early in relation to the pace, and move for the lead when you straighten out in the lane.
The winner was just the best today and Corey wouldn't have reversed the outcome had he waited 5 more seconds imo.

Dahoss2002
05-08-2011, 02:30 AM
Some horses have an affinity for running second. He ran a good race just like his last 2.

CincyHorseplayer
05-08-2011, 02:43 AM
Nah this was not a case of seconditis.He was moved early to save ground and ended up way close to the pace.I about had a heart attack.I thought it was over.But he rated nicely on the backstretch.Was beaten clearly though even so.

BIG49010
05-08-2011, 06:05 AM
I think he judged that it was a very slow pace, and his horse just cruised up to the leaders.

Bruddah
05-08-2011, 09:36 AM
Nehro could be the type of horse that just finishes close up. Lord knows, I have bet on many of these until finally giving up on them. (JMHHO)

If he stays healthy for the Belmont, that race will certainly answer this question.

michiken
05-09-2011, 04:53 PM
Nakatani's ride was as bad as Stuart on Smarty Jones in the Belmont! He made a winning move made WAY TOO EARLY. I was fuming mad.

Why do some jockeys think they have to be part of the early pace to win with an S horse? Why don't they accelerate in the stretch where they belong? Moving so early on the turn cost Nehro the race (IMHO).

"Idiot jockeys who run the horse against its preferred running style will waste its closing move and flatten out in the stretch".

It was an over confident shitty ride!

I had Nehro and Arch as my top closers. I decided the key Nehro because I did not like Arch breaking from post 1. The bad ride cost me the per and tri. I ended up with a few dollar saver WPS on AK. . . but I guess that is horse racing.

PhantomOnTour
05-09-2011, 04:56 PM
So you're saying that if he waited longer to make his move or if he took back off the pace (very possibly getting caught way wide or stopped in traffic) Nehro would have beaten Animal Kingdom?
I disagree...he rode a nice race and put his horse in a good spot in relation to the pace.

michiken
05-09-2011, 05:05 PM
Yes it is my opinion that Nakatani made his move too early and could of won. He had the best move of the race.

calltopost
05-09-2011, 05:21 PM
Trainer Steve Asmussen praised jockey Corey Nakatani for adapting to the pace scenario and having Nehro, usually a closer, within four lengths of the early lead. Nehro, who broke from post 18, made a three-wide bid to the leaders at the five-sixteenths pole and continued on gamely to the wire. While unable to match strides with Animal Kingdom in the final furlong, he did fend off Mucho Macho Man by a neck for second.

“Not enough pace,’’ Asmussen said. “You wanted the race to stretch out a little bit more and I think it caused him to be wider. I thought Corey did a great job considering the circumstances. At least he let the race unfold and reacted to that instead of just taking a hold of him and drop him behind horses that weren’t going anywhere.’’

Source: http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-runner-nehro-likely-bypass-preakness-belmont-stakes

Producer
05-09-2011, 06:58 PM
He maybe could of waited a tad bit longer but there is no way he would of won. He came home in around 24.3 or better and I seriously doubt he would of came home any faster than that regardless of when he moved. He was just beat by a better horse on the day.

Nehro ran a very similar race in the Louisiana Derby. He isn't a Dialed In type of horse that is going to be 10+ lengths back regardless of pace.

tribecaagent
05-09-2011, 07:10 PM
Have to feel for Zayat

Eskendrea goes down with an injury
Pioneer of the Nile gets beat by a hopeless longshot
Nehro ran well but was second best (IMO)

He's getting closer.

Rackon
05-09-2011, 08:03 PM
So you're saying that if he waited longer to make his move or if he took back off the pace (very possibly getting caught way wide or stopped in traffic) Nehro would have beaten Animal Kingdom?
I disagree...he rode a nice race and put his horse in a good spot in relation to the pace.

Amen! Pace was not nearly as fast as expected and Nakatani made the best of it. It would not have been better to throttle him down, better to let him cruise along relaxed. Nehro ran down his target - but he was also a target. AK was simply the best that day.

Valuist
05-09-2011, 08:17 PM
Nehro was not far off the pace in the LA Derby. Everyone remembers his big late run in Hot Springs, but that was a much faster pace that day. Given the pace and the better part of the track appeared to be several paths off the inside, I would say it was a good trip.

Spalding No!
05-09-2011, 08:29 PM
Nah this was not a case of seconditis.

I think the jury is still out on this. It's one thing if he took the lead, cleared, and was run down late.

Nehro never made the lead, and only got by Shackleford in the last 1/16th.

Nakatani's early move may have actually hindered Shackleford (by forcing his hand before the top of the stretch) more than his own mount.

CincyHorseplayer
05-09-2011, 08:39 PM
The move might have cost him the race,but the ride I think was more horse than jockey,and the race he ran is a big sign of a fit horse ready to run a big race,as long as it didn't take too much out of him.I'll probably bet him again in the Preakness.

JPinMaryland
05-09-2011, 10:19 PM
If Nehro would stop looking at other horses when he gets eyeballed, then maybe people would stop blaming the jockey. This horse definitely has some turn of foot, but he seems to get a bit confused when horse comes near him.

Leparoux
05-10-2011, 09:36 PM
He wasn't going to beat AK no matter how he rode Nehro. 2nd place in the Derby, terrible ride :D