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ArlJim78

05-03-2011, 10:38 AM

and just when you think you've heard it all, up steps a strong new contender for biggest hypocrite.

Nancy Pelosi, press conference (http://www.americaweakly.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2231), September 7, 2006:

Even if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done … is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.

Nancy Pelosi, earlier today (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/02/2841523/us-leaders-react-to-bin-ladens.html):

The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. … I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. … The death of Osama bin Laden is historic

rastajenk

05-03-2011, 10:43 AM

That first quote is an amazingly twisted piece of rhetoric, isn't it?

Tom

05-03-2011, 11:24 AM

That first quote is an amazingly twisted piece of rhetoric, isn't it?

It came out of a mouth on an amazingly twisted piece of face. What do expect form that lying SOS bottom feeder like her?

It is worthless bitches like her that made us less safe the last decade.
She burns in hell, slam dunk.

I wonder if Obama will wash and kiss her feet when it comes time?

FUNP

Mike at A+

05-03-2011, 11:29 AM

If you look up "airhead" in the dictionary her picture has to be there.

Tom

05-03-2011, 11:40 AM

If you look up "airhead" in the dictionary her picture has to be there.

Danged if you ain't right on!

cj's dad

05-03-2011, 12:12 PM

Tom,

PLEASE, the next time you post pictures of that beast, please issue a warning. I scrolled down and nearly lost my lunch as her pics came into view.

Still experiencing the "dry heaves" !!

Steve 'StatMan'

05-03-2011, 07:36 PM

and just when you think you've heard it all, up steps a strong new contender for biggest hypocrite.

Which is why many of us on the right/mid-right thought she could F herself 5 years ago, and posted so on here, to the left/mid-left posters shagrings, catcalls, and complaints.

Rookies

05-03-2011, 09:39 PM

Nancy Pelosi, press conference (http://www.americaweakly.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2231), September 7, 2006:

Even if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done … is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.

Nancy Pelosi, earlier today (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/02/2841523/us-leaders-react-to-bin-ladens.html):

The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. … I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. … The death of Osama bin Laden is historic

With respect to the party of the first, it is late. However, I am one that ALWAYS wished to see Nazi war criminals pursued until their last breath. Even as broken down, addled old men, I wanted those bastards to know, someone was coming for them in their nursing home... sometime. As someone came for this bastard.

And nobody is safer today. There are so many other tentacles of Al Quaeda everywhere. That's not the point however- revenge is and perhaps a small amount of closure for the 9-11 victims.

As for the second statement, all can salute the mission - accomplished! As, it certainly would have been under Bush. 'Historic' ? Perhaps, but only in the conclusion of this chapter fighting evil.

Silly old partisan, she looks at times.

Robert Goren

05-03-2011, 10:26 PM

NJ Stinks

05-03-2011, 11:16 PM

Tom

05-03-2011, 11:25 PM

Funny how you two see reality in such a fantasy light.

highnote

05-03-2011, 11:33 PM

The Right accomplished their goal of moving the Center to the Right.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/02/hersh_olbermann_called_bin_laden_seal_team_assassi nation_ring_in_2009.html

A few years back,,,,,,,, Seal Team 6 was Dick Cheney's special Assassination Ring. Now they are the All Righteous tentacles of Obama reaching forth into a foreign country to save the world from the greatest threat to man.

Which is it ? I guess it depends on who is in office huh?

Should I break out the D word ?

newtothegame

05-03-2011, 11:34 PM

GWB said several times that catching Bin Laden was not a top priorty. The republicans praising him seem to forgot that. Obama made it a top priorty and he got him. GWB and the republicans didn't and didn't. Now they are patting themselves on the back for something they did not do.

A Top priority?? Really?? I am sure you can provide all the links showing how he (Obama) made this his top priority...right??
Oh wait, I forgot. Obama did mention in his speech SUNDAY night that it was his top priority to CIA head so therefore it must be true...right??
Well, at least he is making SOMETHING a priority...cause its NOT gas...NOT the economy....hell not anything I can think of...(Except Oprah show)...
So Robert, please as NJ mentioned. Please stop talking this "silliness".

highnote

05-03-2011, 11:52 PM

"Overton Window" is the political philosophy of moving the political spectrum.

Robert Goren

05-04-2011, 12:06 AM

A Top priority?? Really?? I am sure you can provide all the links showing how he (Obama) made this his top priority...right??
Oh wait, I forgot. Obama did mention in his speech SUNDAY night that it was his top priority to CIA head so therefore it must be true...right??
Well, at least he is making SOMETHING a priority...cause its NOT gas...NOT the economy....hell not anything I can think of...(Except Oprah show)...
So Robert, please as NJ mentioned. Please stop talking this "silliness". More republican spin. It got to killing you that Obama got him after your spent seven years looking and didn't.

FantasticDan

05-04-2011, 12:17 AM

Funny how you two see reality in such a fantasy light.It's a fantasy that Bush didn't make getting Bin Laden a priority?

FPTwsMEiI0g

newtothegame

05-04-2011, 12:19 AM

More republican spin. It got to killing you that Obama got him after your spent seven years looking and didn't.

Laughable as usual lol....Killing me?? Nahhh not me...OBL yes lol.
But I notice you didnt provide any of those links where Obama made it his top priority. course then again, I knew you couldnt. And you call my words spin....at least I back up my stuff with links and facts. Thanks for playing there sluethy....:lol:

FantasticDan

05-04-2011, 12:28 AM

But I notice you didnt provide any of those links where Obama made it his top priority. course then again, I knew you couldnt.
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newtothegame

05-04-2011, 12:42 AM

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Nice try there notsofantastic dan....
But apparently you didnt watch the video you posted.....
His NUMBER ONE priority (his own words) was afghanistan and the border region, and ensuring the talliban would basically be null and void.
After a follow up question by the reporter, THEN OBL comes into play. He mentioned his NUMBER 1 priority and it wasnt OBL...
but keep trying....:lol:
Now I will give you from his speech on Sunday night, one might decipher (hell he even said as much) that he told L Panetta (sp) that OBL was his number 1 priority....
Too bad AFTER the fact doesnt matter huh??

newtothegame

05-04-2011, 12:44 AM

he mentioned "on them" referring to al qeada....about keeping pressure on "them".

newtothegame

05-04-2011, 12:48 AM

Nice try there notsofantastic dan....
But apparently you didnt watch the video you posted.....
His NUMBER ONE priority (his own words) was afghanistan and the border region, and ensuring the talliban would basically be null and void.
After a follow up question by the reporter, THEN OBL comes into play. He mentioned his NUMBER 1 priority and it wasnt OBL...
but keep trying....:lol:
Now I will give you from his speech on Sunday night, one might decipher (hell he even said as much) that he told L Panetta (sp) that OBL was his number 1 priority....
Too bad AFTER the fact doesnt matter huh??

Should of been Al Qeada instead of talliban above...
And I agree that Al Qeada should be the focus. But because he did a interview (which was gonna question him about the wars) did you think he would say anything else??
As I said...laughable.....

newtothegame

05-04-2011, 12:56 AM

here it is "Obama's NUMBER 1 PRIORITY".....or maybe not lol.....

Obama’s “number 1 priority”

Nov 11, 2008 11:54 EST

Peter Barnes is an entrepreneur and writer whose books include Who Owns The Sky? and Climate Solutions: A Citizen’s Guide. The views expressed are his own. –
A few days before the election, Barack Obama told Time’s Joe Klein:

Finding the new driver of our economy is going to be critical. There’s no better driver that pervades all aspects of our economy than a new energy economy … That’s going to be my No. 1 priority when I get into office.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2008/11/11/obamas-number-1-priority/

bolding by me.....

newtothegame

05-04-2011, 12:59 AM

wait ...wait...here it is.....The financial crisis.....

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Financial crisis Obama’s number-one priority (/2008/11/07/financial-crisis-obamas-number-one-priority/)

07/11/08 22:54 CET

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The American President-elect has left no doubt about the priorities facing his new administration. Barack Obama gave his first news conference since winning the election, flanked by his new transition economic advisory board. And he promised to hit the ground running.

“We need a rescue plan for the middle-class, that invests in immediate efforts to create jobs and provide relief to families that are watching their paychecks shrink and their life-savings disappear,” he told reporters in Chicago.

He said the global financial crisis is the “greatest economic challenge of our lifetime,” and singled-out car-makers for special attention.

“The auto-industry is the backbone of American manufacturing, and a critical part of our attempt to reduce our dependence on foreign oil,” Obama said. “I would like to see the administration do everything it can to accelerate the re-tooling assistance that Congress has already enacted. In addition, I’ve made it a high priority for my transition team to work on additional policy options to help the auto-industry adjust.”

Obama said a fiscal stimulus package was long overdue, and said if the outgoing Bush administration does not introduce one, then it would be the first thing his team would do after his inauguration in January.

http://www.euronews.net/2008/11/07/financial-crisis-obamas-number-one-priority/

bolding again by me....

newtothegame

05-04-2011, 01:02 AM

wait...maybe this time ive got it...got to be this ONE.....

Obama Says Middle-Class Tax Cuts No.1 Priority, But Still Opposes Extending Tax Cuts for Wealthy

Posted by Lucy Madison (/8300-503544_162-503544.html?contributor=10470021)

At a press conference in Seoul, South Korea, on Friday, President Obama said he was committed to working with Democrats and Republicans during the lame duck session to guarantee the extension of middle-class tax cuts, but denied that meant he was necessarily willing to cave on the matter of extending those cuts for wealthy Americans.

"I'm going to meet with both the Republican and Democratic leaders late next week and we're going to sit down and discuss how we move forward," Mr. Obama said. "My number-one priority is making sure that we make the middle-class tax cuts permanent, that we give certainty to the 98 percent of Americans who are affected by those tax breaks. I don't want to see their income taxes spike up -- not only because they need relief after having gone through a horrendous recession, but also because it would be bad for the economy."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20022638-503544.html

bolding again by me.....
Is it just me or is there a pattern here???? lmao :lol:

newtothegame

05-04-2011, 01:07 AM

the real Number 1 priority.....
WHATEVER IS THAT MOMENT .....

The Campaign Spot (/campaign-spot)

Election-driven news and views . . . by Jim Geraghty.

Today President Obama said that stopping the oil spill has been his “highest priority.”

He seems to have a lot of top priorities; he’s identified several in his remarks since the initial explosion on the oil rig April 20.

President Obama with Mexican president Felipe Calderon, May 19 (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/obama-speeches/speech/257/): “We agreed to continue working aggressively on our highest economic priority, which is creating jobs for our people.”

Obama with Hamad Karzai, May 12 (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/obama-speeches/speech/250/): “This is a reaffirmation of the friendship between the American people and the Afghan people. When I came into office, I made it very clear that, after years of some drift in the relationship, that I saw this as a critical priority.”

Obama at the Business Council, May 4 (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/obama-speeches/speech/243/): “More broadly, spurring job creation and economic expansion continues to be our number one domestic priority.”

Obama at a town-hall meeting in Ottumwa, Iowa, April 27 (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/obama-speeches/speech/236/): “I don’t want to close off trade with other countries — I want to open those countries because that’s a lot of where the growth is and that’s where we can sell our products and we’ve got a competitive advantage. But we’ve got to keep on pushing and be tough in our negotiations, and that’s something that’s going to be a top priority.”

Obama in Fort Madison, Iowa, April 27 (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/obama-speeches/speech/231/): “And that’s why our energy security has been a top priority for my administration since the day I took office.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/56133/obamas-ever-changing-top-priorities

and the beat goes on and on and on.....constant campaign mode with this organizer!!

JustRalph

05-04-2011, 01:37 AM

great posts, newtothegame :ThmbUp:

gl45

05-04-2011, 04:00 AM

:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

lamboguy

05-04-2011, 06:16 AM

they will say anything they can find under the sun that make them all look good, so they can get re-elected and re-pick your pockets for whatever is left.

we are all happy that bin laden is gone, but with the technology today it makes you wonder why they didn't get him years ago. they have satellites in the sky that can see everything. a guy that is almost 7 feet tall and needs dialysis should be easy to get. it just makes you wonder why they got him this week? there must be another shoe to drop out of the sky that we don't know about yet!

ArlJim78

05-04-2011, 07:08 AM

Actually we now know why it took so long to get OBL, he was aided by Pakistan's ISI. In fact, it now appers that we've been played as suckers. On one hand Pakistan tells us that they want to help root out al-qaida, so we give them billions of dollars each year. On the other hand their ISI is training and funding terrorism and may in fact be the 'parent company' of al-qaida. OBL lived secure and comfortable for years right in the midst of their military and police headquarters. People need to learn once and for all that money handed out by our government only makes matters worse and encourages the very behavior that we are looking to eliminate. In a sense our own tax dollars are funding terrorism and fighting it.

rastajenk

05-04-2011, 07:22 AM

So, when Bush takes the podium and says catching a marginalized O'Sama isn't a top priority, when you know that he knows all the various resources being employed to do just that (including the dreaded wiretaps and "enhanced interrogations"), why do you choose to take that at face value? Would you ( the general you, referring to the libtard end of the spectrum) feel better if he had spelled out every single activity and contact and lead that they were able to act on? Can you not recognize some gamesmanship going on? Nuance, indeed!

Even now, he showing some class by passing on the opportunity to do some kind of victory lap with O'Bama.

ArlJim78

05-04-2011, 07:33 AM

No smart Republican should take up Obama on an invitation. He has a habit of berating them as they sit there not being able to respond. He did it to the Supreme court, Paul Ryan, Donald Trump. He'd get Bush to sit there and then start talking once again about the failed policies of the past, etc, etc and never even acknowledge that it was Bush's policies that laid the groundwork for this.
Bush will let Obama use ground zero to have his "mission accomplished" moment. I just think its disgraceful because he never has made time in the past for ground zero or 9/11 families even though he blows into town often enough for fundraisers.

hcap

05-04-2011, 09:31 AM

Bush will let Obama use ground zero to have his "mission accomplished" moment.

http://theiowarepublican.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/obama-mission-accomplished.jpg

Secretariat

05-04-2011, 12:13 PM

Laughable as usual lol....Killing me?? Nahhh not me...OBL yes lol.
But I notice you didnt provide any of those links where Obama made it his top priority. course then again, I knew you couldnt. And you call my words spin....at least I back up my stuff with links and facts. Thanks for playing there sluethy....:lol:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/11/obama-killing-bin-laden-top-pr.html

November 16, 2008
Obama: Killing Bin Laden 'Top Priority'
BY James Gordon Meek

President-Elect Obama didn't mince words about his plans for Al Qaeda's top thugs in an interview broadcast tonight.

"I think it is a top priority for us to stamp out al Qaeda once and for all," Obama told CBS' "60 Minutes." "I think capturing or killing (Osama) Bin Laden is a critical aspect of stamping out Al Qaeda. He is not just a symbol, he's also the operational leader of an organization that is planning attacks against U.S. targets."

You can think what you want, but it's really not supported.

.....

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Sugar Ron

05-04-2011, 12:46 PM

Yeah, BO's resounding VICTORY must be just killing the assorted con spin doctors in the media ... especially since it only took him two years to accomplish what their guys, Bush-Cheney, failed (as usual) to do in seven.

Not hard to see why they want this story out of the spotlight ASAP...

dartman51

05-04-2011, 03:05 PM

Not hard to see why they want this story out of the spotlight ASAP...

I hope it stays in the news for a LONG TIME. Every time someone in this administration talks about it, they change some fact in the story. In 3 or 4 weeks you won't even recognize it. It reminds me of a game we used to play as a kid called, PASS IT ON. Some here are old enough to remember that game. His son was supposed to have been killed also, why didn't they give him a proper Muslim burial? If he was unarmed, why not capture him? I would think he would be much more valuable alive, then dead. :bang:

Tom

05-04-2011, 03:13 PM

I hope it stays in the news for a LONG TIME. Every time someone in this administration talks about it, they change some fact in the story. In 3 or 4 weeks you won't even recognize it. It reminds me of a game we used to play as a kid called, PASS IT ON. Some here are old enough to remember that game. His son was supposed to have been killed also, why didn't they give him a proper Muslim burial? If he was unarmed, why not capture him? I would think he would be much more valuable alive, then dead. :bang:

By June, Obama will have swung into the compound like Batman and single handedly overcame 100 terrorists to get to Bin Laden, who committed suiced rather than face the Mighty O.

highnote

05-04-2011, 07:40 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/02/hersh_olbermann_called_bin_laden_seal_team_assassi nation_ring_in_2009.html

A few years back,,,,,,,, Seal Team 6 was Dick Cheney's special Assassination Ring. Now they are the All Righteous tentacles of Obama reaching forth into a foreign country to save the world from the greatest threat to man.

Which is it ? I guess it depends on who is in office huh?

Should I break out the D word ?

I don't necessarily agree with everything Doug Casey says. But his Libertarian opinion is interesting and is worth thinking about:

http://www.caseyresearch.com/cwc/doug-casey-obama-killing-osama

Doug: I understand Americans were jumping around Times Square as if it was V-J Day when it was announced. It’s sad, really. And very unseemly, and degraded, to celebrate a murder. They’re celebrating an extra-judicial murder performed by contract killers. That’s what SEAL Team 6, which apparently conducted this raid, does – like the Army’s Delta Force. They’re told to go somewhere and kill any person or persons their “superiors” say, and they just do it. If you wear a uniform, and work for a state, murder becomes quite acceptable, with no questions asked by anyone.

I definitely think there are people out there who need killing. But my view is that you should do it yourself and take responsibility for it, if you feel that strongly about it. But government officials are too degraded for that by any stretch. Even worse, perhaps, are the people who go and do it because they’re told to. Certainly, they merit a measure of respect. They are excellent physical specimens. They’re skilled in the black arts and they undoubtedly possess a lot of courage and sang-froid. But they’re not heroes. It’s odd that they’re considered heroes; both they and their employers should be brought up on war-crime charges. I expect the men among them who are decent realize that they’re acting unethically, quit after a while, and suffer nightmares and post-traumatic stress disorder for many years after. The ones who stay in it are simply dangerous sociopaths, like Mafia hit men.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe Osama is dead – whenever he died. And I’m glad he’s dead. I don’t like the things he believed in, especially his especially puritanical version of Islam. But this is not the way these things should be handled. At least not by a supposedly free country.

Personally, I would have liked to have seen OBL brought to trial in a military court.

PaceAdvantage

05-04-2011, 11:37 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/11/obama-killing-bin-laden-top-pr.html

November 16, 2008
Obama: Killing Bin Laden 'Top Priority'
BY James Gordon Meek

President-Elect Obama didn't mince words about his plans for Al Qaeda's top thugs in an interview broadcast tonight.

"I think it is a top priority for us to stamp out al Qaeda once and for all," Obama told CBS' "60 Minutes." "I think capturing or killing (Osama) Bin Laden is a critical aspect of stamping out Al Qaeda. He is not just a symbol, he's also the operational leader of an organization that is planning attacks against U.S. targets."

You can think what you want, but it's really not supported.

.....

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)Hey Sec, now that OBL is officially dead, what does that change for America?

I see even MORE police and military roaming New York City these past few days. I hear the TSA is going to grab your crotch even HARDER in the coming weeks and months because of OBL's death...lol

Seems like Team Obama is using the death of OBL as an excuse to take even MORE of our rights away...maybe they'll be frisking us at the corner deli next?

The dollar fell to a new low AFTER OBL was killed, the stock market is going down, ADP employment numbers disappointed as did the ISM number...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stocks-stung-by-economic-reports-2011-05-04

Maybe Bush was right all along.

Secretariat

05-05-2011, 12:40 AM

Hey Sec, now that OBL is officially dead, what does that change for America?

I see even MORE police and military roaming New York City these past few days. I hear the TSA is going to grab your crotch even HARDER in the coming weeks and months because of OBL's death...lol

Seems like Team Obama is using the death of OBL as an excuse to take even MORE of our rights away...maybe they'll be frisking us at the corner deli next?

The dollar fell to a new low AFTER OBL was killed, the stock market is going down, ADP employment numbers disappointed as did the ISM number...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stocks-stung-by-economic-reports-2011-05-04

Maybe Bush was right all along.

A pretty sad post. Not worth commenting on more than that.

PaceAdvantage

05-05-2011, 12:51 AM

A pretty sad post. Not worth commenting on more than that.Once again, nothing of substance from you.

Why even bother posting at all if it's so sad?

Tell me how the death of OBL is anything more than a symbolic victory?

If Bush were still president, and it was 10 years later, I'd be saying the EXACT SAME THING.

OBL was nothing more than a footnote at this point in history. A man MANY had considered ALREADY DEAD.

You're not commenting because deep down, you know I'm right. Nothing has changed with the death of OBL. I'm glad he's now officially dead, but it changes nothing in the grand scheme of things.

And the way Obama is handling the post-game interview is laughable.

NJ Stinks

05-05-2011, 01:27 AM

Nothing has changed with the death of OBL. I'm glad he's now officially dead, but it changes nothing in the grand scheme of things.

And the way Obama is handling the post-game interview is laughable.

First off, you don't know that nothing will change. Supposedly there were lots of stuff taken from that compound like computer hard drives, etc. That stuff could be invaluable down the line.

Secondly, you protest too much. Not just you but all conservatives who have been moaning since Bin Laden was killed.

Obama acts like the president you guys hope he's not and you guys can't stand it. Or accept it, apparently.

Now that would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

newtothegame

05-05-2011, 01:46 AM

First off, you don't know that nothing will change. Supposedly there were lots of stuff taken from that compound like computer hard drives, etc. That stuff could be invaluable down the line.

Secondly, you protest too much. Not just you but all conservatives who have been moaning since Bin Laden was killed.

Obama acts like the president you guys hope he's not and you guys can't stand it. Or accept it, apparently.

Now that would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

Did he really act presidential or not.......hmmm there are stories starting to surface...that maybe NOT ...

White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden (http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/)

by Ulsterman (http://www.triond.com/users/Ulsterman) in Issues (http://socyberty.com/category/issues/), May 3, 2011

Note:This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled” by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider’s insights surrounding that event.

_______

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position.

more at the link:
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

Seems rather reasonable considering the questions I raised in other threads concerning OBAMA's constant campaigning. I mean right now, Obama is only worried about how he is percieved.
rather lengthy story of which I posted only a bit. But, interesting none the less...

ElKabong

05-05-2011, 01:48 AM

ElKabong

05-05-2011, 01:52 AM

Tom

05-05-2011, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks
First off, you don't know that nothing will change. Supposedly there were lots of stuff taken from that compound like computer hard drives, etc. That stuff could be invaluable down the line.

What a hypocrite YOU are!
You condone illegal invasion and murder and theft of property to fight terrorism, yet you opposes pouring water over someone and NOT INJURING them in any way and you opposed targeting selected phone calls to get info, again, no one being harmed.

Get real, dude.....KSM got water boarded and had breakfast this morning.
You lefties are so transparent.....

Secretariat

05-05-2011, 12:15 PM

Once again, nothing of substance from you.

Why even bother posting at all if it's so sad?

Tell me how the death of OBL is anything more than a symbolic victory?

If Bush were still president, and it was 10 years later, I'd be saying the EXACT SAME THING.

OBL was nothing more than a footnote at this point in history. A man MANY had considered ALREADY DEAD.

You're not commenting because deep down, you know I'm right. Nothing has changed with the death of OBL. I'm glad he's now officially dead, but it changes nothing in the grand scheme of things.

And the way Obama is handling the post-game interview is laughable.

What's sad was your previous post. Enough on that.

As to if Bush was still President you'd being saying the same thing. I beleive that as much as those stockpiles of WMD's in Iraq.

While FOX reported Bin Laden dead years ago, (once more an indication of their unreliability) I find it unbeleivable that you beleive the mastermind of one of the greatest mass murders perpetuated on Americans is nothing more to you than a "footnote". There's a reason people are celebrating. Bin Laden's actions led to the whole Afghan invasion. A war I thoroughly supported. The death of Bin Laden has buoyed the armed forces and Americans across the country. Besides the morale boost, the information obtained at the compound may be extremely useful in tracking down other Al Queda operatives. For you to dismiss the death of OBL as "nothing has changed with the death of OBL" is not only premature, it implies that (a) vengeance on the mastermind of Al Queda and 911 is insignificant (b) that the stores of information obtained at the compound is known to you as being insignificant and (c) that the reaction to the death of Bin Laden in the Mid East is insignficant.

Your politics are very evident on display here PA at a time that America is trying to come together during this moment. That IS what is sad.

Tom

05-05-2011, 12:43 PM

Maybe Sec can clarify....why shooting an unarmed man is better than water boarding?

Had we captured him, Sec, and the WB'ed him, would you still be against it?

btw...should we ban showing the Kennedy assassination film? Too gruesome?

Secretariat

05-05-2011, 02:24 PM

Maybe Sec can clarify....why shooting an unarmed man is better than water boarding?

I'm surprised you can't see the difference. If a general was unarmed but ordering his troops in the middle of a war to kill Americans, wouldn't you think it justified to take this man out? If a cop beleived a thug was armed and shot him after the man's wife charged at him, I bleeive you'd be the first one defending the cop.

Waterboarding is torture and violates the Geneva Convention which we are a signatory to. The CIA knew it too. 92 interrogation tapes were destroyed by the CIA in November 2005 after a report by Inspector General John L. Helgerson’s office determined that they depicted "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, as defined by the International Convention Against Torture".

Had we captured him, Sec, and the WB'ed him, would you still be against it?

Yes.

btw...should we ban showing the Kennedy assassination film? Too gruesome?

Since the main reason given for NOT showing the Bin Laden pictures is that by showing it would put our military at risk, whereas there was no military put at risk by showing the Kennedy assasination I fail to see how the two even compare.

The sutff you're focusing on now is just either politics or silliness Tom.
You're ecstatic OBL is dead and could really care less whether he was shot unarmed or not.

Tom

05-05-2011, 02:34 PM

Yes, I am glad the SOB is dead. I hoped he suffered.
I am trying to understand the minds of libs ( :eek: ) that think an act like WB that cause no injury is bad and killing is acceptable. Seems pretty idiotic to me.

And showing the photos would put our troops in danger, huh?
More danger than stationing them in Iraq and Afghanistan, where the CNC has publicly stated that he does not want victory?

Hanover1

05-05-2011, 04:44 PM

Wonder wich side I am on if I support unauthorized military action, a military wich has to overrule its CNC to obtain its target, theft, murder, and covert burials of enemies? Oh, and I support waterboarding too....We are the same folks that release pictures of our sons with their genitals sewn into their mouths, but we cannot see a photo of our latest conquest we spent BILLIONS to kill?
And, yes, articles are beginning to circulate suggesting that Obama was overruled, or more like it, his mind was made up for him, regarding the official GO, fearing failure, or lack of proof, ect....War is hell, and you don't fight fair-you fight to win. Geneva Convention is posturing by both sides who scream foul play, when actually there is no "foul play". Only hatred.

PaceAdvantage

05-05-2011, 05:43 PM

What's sad was your previous post. Enough on that.

As to if Bush was still President you'd being saying the same thing. I beleive that as much as those stockpiles of WMD's in Iraq.

While FOX reported Bin Laden dead years ago, (once more an indication of their unreliability) I find it unbeleivable that you beleive the mastermind of one of the greatest mass murders perpetuated on Americans is nothing more to you than a "footnote". There's a reason people are celebrating. Bin Laden's actions led to the whole Afghan invasion. A war I thoroughly supported. The death of Bin Laden has buoyed the armed forces and Americans across the country. Besides the morale boost, the information obtained at the compound may be extremely useful in tracking down other Al Queda operatives. For you to dismiss the death of OBL as "nothing has changed with the death of OBL" is not only premature, it implies that (a) vengeance on the mastermind of Al Queda and 911 is insignificant (b) that the stores of information obtained at the compound is known to you as being insignificant and (c) that the reaction to the death of Bin Laden in the Mid East is insignficant.

Your politics are very evident on display here PA at a time that America is trying to come together during this moment. That IS what is sad.If anything, what I said in that earlier post echoed what Nancy Pelosi said while Bush was president, but I never saw you call her sad.

Pelosi on Sep 2006:[E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.Politics on display INDEED! And you are clearly not immune.

NJ Stinks

05-05-2011, 07:13 PM

And, yes, articles are beginning to circulate suggesting that Obama was overruled, or more like it, his mind was made up for him, regarding the official GO, fearing failure, or lack of proof, ect....War is hell, and you don't fight fair-you fight to win. Geneva Convention is posturing by both sides who scream foul play, when actually there is no "foul play". Only hatred.

It only took the right 3 days to circulate stories that Obama doesn't get any credit. What took you guys so long? :rolleyes:

The right takes politics right down to the gutter every time. Remember the swiftboat bullsh_t?

Honestly, I wouldn't be caught dead voting Republican. Fairness and truth just doesn't mean squat to your side. My side isn't great by any means but there is no comparison when it comes to making sh_t up.

Mike at A+

05-05-2011, 08:37 PM

My side isn't great by any means but there is no comparison when it comes to making sh_t up.
You mean sh_t like George Bush planting explosives in the WTC? Or sh_t like George Bush telling the Army Corps of Engineers to dynamite the New Orleans levees? Or maybe it was sh_t like George Bush tricking all those Senators and Congressmen who are clearly smarter than him into approving the invasion of Iraq?

Hanover1

05-05-2011, 08:53 PM

It only took the right 3 days to circulate stories that Obama doesn't get any credit. What took you guys so long? :rolleyes:

The right takes politics right down to the gutter every time. Remember the swiftboat bullsh_t?

Honestly, I wouldn't be caught dead voting Republican. Fairness and truth just doesn't mean squat to your side. My side isn't great by any means but there is no comparison when it comes to making sh_t up.

The fact that there ARE sides is the problem, as you so aptly point out......

PaceAdvantage

05-05-2011, 11:09 PM

Honestly, I wouldn't be caught dead voting Republican. Fairness and truth just doesn't mean squat to your side. My side isn't great by any means but there is no comparison when it comes to making sh_t up.Fairness and truth? Making shit up?

Ummmm...what version is Obama & Co. up to now in terms of their OBL assassination story?

Should be version 6.5 around now, no?

NJ Stinks

05-06-2011, 12:37 AM

You mean sh_t like George Bush planting explosives in the WTC? Or sh_t like George Bush telling the Army Corps of Engineers to dynamite the New Orleans levees? Or maybe it was sh_t like George Bush tricking all those Senators and Congressmen who are clearly smarter than him into approving the invasion of Iraq?

I don't know any Dems who believed Bush had anything to do with 911 or New Orleans.

Not one.

Mike at A+

05-07-2011, 12:09 AM

I don't know any Dems who believed Bush had anything to do with 911 or New Orleans.

Not one.
O'Donnell and Farrakhan in that order promoted those myths. And many of the Kool-Aid drinkers jumped on board. Old news. Very old. Try Google, you'll find it.

Robert Goren

05-07-2011, 12:32 AM

O'Donnell and Farrakhan in that order promoted those myths. And many of the Kool-Aid drinkers jumped on board. Old news. Very old. Try Google, you'll find it.As a democrat, I don't claim either of those two. As I am sure that you don't claim any of the republicans who also promote that myth.

ElKabong

05-07-2011, 12:33 AM

I'm surprised you can't see the difference. If a general was unarmed but ordering his troops in the middle of a war to kill Americans, wouldn't you think it justified to take this man out? .

Speaking of not being able to tell the difference. Abu Gharig photos disgusted you to the point of non stop whining, yet killing an unarmed target is okie dolie.... Giggidy.

Neither the photos nor killing Hussein offends me the least. Your hypocricy tho, is pathetic.

ElKabong

05-07-2011, 12:45 AM

The right takes politics right down to the gutter every time. Remember the swiftboat bullsh_t?
.

Oh, you mean the group that exposed Kerry for the faker he was? Making up stories about firefights when he was only shooting at rocks and hurt himself?

Or, do you mean his fmr commander that termed Kerry as a "loose cannon"?

Kerry is a piece of shit. Everyone who's served knows a few like Kerry. No integrity, vain, self serving and bullies anyone he can get away with via the authority of rank.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=24475

Retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, who headed Coastal Division 11, is one of more than 200 veterans who have signed a letter asking Kerry to authorize the Department of the Navy to release all of his military records, including health documents.

Hoffman said Kerry "arrived in country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future."

"He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard to specific tactical assignments," Hoffman said. "He was a loose cannon."