Gasoline Prices - BHO vs. GWB

[cj's dad]

Up 7% during GB's 1st 26 months in office. Guess how much prices have risen during the same time frame for BHO ?

http://www.szone.us/f95/pictures-bush-vs-obama-gas-prices-56437/

[lamboguy]

you must be getting ready to cast your vote for the re-election of this gem

[cj's dad]

Surely you jest !!

[RichieP]

New Rochelle - NY

Since September 2010 the price of unleaded regular has gone from 275.9 to currently 385.9 and rising weekly.

Home heating oil has gone from 279.9 in Sept 2010 to current level of about 390.0 a gallon.

6 months of insanity - supply and demand? lmao yea right

[Tom]

$3.85 this morning.

Soon people are going to start leaving the job market in favor of welfare and food stamps. When you gas money eats up your pay check, no point in working anymore. Become a lib and let some one else take care of you.

[cj's dad]

$3.85 this morning.

Soon people are going to start leaving the job market in favor of welfare and food stamps. When you gas money eats up your pay check, no point in working anymore. Become a lib and let some one else take care of you.

40 MILLION and rising. approximately 1 in 8 residents of the USA.

[sandpit]

Perhaps we can elect someone in 2012 who will be able to stop the speculators from driving up prices and simultaneously stop the rampant increase in demand from India and China.

[sandpit]

Here's an interesting link to what one guy paid for filling up his tank over the 31 years. He's got a couple of graphs to explain it. If you look at his price adjusted for inflation, we aren't paying any more now than we were in 1979.

http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html

[bigmack]

Perhaps we can elect someone in 2012 who will be able to stop the speculators from driving up prices and simultaneously stop the rampant increase in demand from India and China.
Or maybe someone who could figure out how to open up our own resources.

[DJofSD]

Perhaps we can elect someone in 2012 who will be able to stop the speculators from driving up prices and simultaneously stop the rampant increase in demand from India and China.
Just wait until the USD is no longer the currency used for commodities.

[mostpost]

The Heritage Foundation article plays loose with the facts, as usual. It blames the rise in gas prices during the Bush Administration on external factors, such as supply disruptions, oil cartel pricing and the cost of refining and distribution. Those are certainly factors, but the major reason for the spike in gasoline prices during the Bush Administration was a deliberate action taken by Bush.

Bush expanded the number of barrels in the SPR, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. He did this in a time of a strong oil market. A time when taking any oil off the market would affect the supply and demand cycle and cause prices to rise. He did it in spite of warnings that just such a thing would happen.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Energy/How%20Did%20Oil%20Prices%20Get%20so%20High.htm

Excerpt:
The Baker report was not irresponsible, it also warned the president, “One problem with trying to refill the reserve at this time when markets are strong is that any purchases made by the U.S. government would add to the current tight supply.” In other words, prices would go up!

Acting in accordance with advice given him by his energy commission, Bush choose to replenish the SPR without regard to the affect on gas prices. As the senate report states:
The Baker report advises a president must not use the SPR as “a market buffer stock to damp prices and price volatility.” (Translation: A president must not help the poor to heat their homes at a reasonable price at the expense of oil company profit taking.)

The Bush administration claimed that adding to the SPR was necessary for national security. Maybe so, but it had another, very definite, very predictable
result.
But the method the Bush administration chose was to fill the SPR without regard to crude oil prices at all but simply at a constant rate of speed. The result was extremely high prices for gasoline and increased charges to be born by the taxpayers. The Bush administration denies this. But the method they chose did not add any additional reserve oil to the nation’s strategic supply. So why do it? Oil companies were happy, after all oilmen contributed $26.7 million to Bush’s campaign in 2000 and another $18 million for the 2002 election.

Another possible reason is this: The only way to get oil companies willing to make investments in drilling new sources of oil is to keep oil prices high. The nice thing about this methodology is that criticism can be so easily deflected as a White House spokesman did in a recent interview, by claiming the “purchases were for national security reasons.”

[FantasticDan]

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[mostpost]

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Oil speculators have increased their positions 64%. Gasoline prices have risen 67%. Could there be a connection? Of course not! It must be that Obama is manipulating supply. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
This despite the fact (as noted in your video) that supplies are at a record high and demand is stable.

[BlueShoe]

$3.85 this morning.
Wow, thats cheap! :rolleyes: In SoCal, the Arco stations, which tend to have the lowest average prices, are $3.97-$3.99. A station owner told me that he is holding prices under four bucks as long as he can, since it is a psychological as well as a monetary barrier. The full sevice national chain stations are charging over $4 now. In Arizona gas is 40 cents cheaper. Without doing a check, would bet that gas prices are lower in Red states than they are in Blue states, proving once again what a failure liberalism/socialism is compared to the free enterprise system.

[Marshall Bennett]

Just wait until the USD is no longer the currency used for commodities.
Yeah, people don't understand that we get imported oil dirt cheap by using our currency to buy oil which is governed in USD. We import 70% of the oil we consume. Other nations must convert their currency into USD before purchasing imported oil. Their buying power gets hit seriously by this process. Most European nations are paying 2 1/2 to 3 times what we're paying at the pump.

[Tom]

Most European nations are paying 2 1/2 to 3 times what we're paying at the pump.

And Obama favors us paying the same prices.
The sinking dirt-bag.

[FantasticDan]

Yes, even tho soaring gas prices can do nothing but hurt his re-election campaign, Obama favors even higher prices. I guess that's just the twisted way sinking dirt-bags like him think :D

[NJ Stinks]

Without doing a check, would bet that gas prices are lower in Red states than they are in Blue states, proving once again what a failure liberalism/socialism is compared to the free enterprise system.

New Jersey is in 4th place when it comes to cheap gas. We ain't a Red state.

Check out the link below and see how your state compares with other states when it comes to gas, cigs, spirits, wines, and beers.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

[prospector]

i remember as a teenager gas was 19 cents per gallon full service, then the government decided to charge a few cents for road repair..the states said they have county roads to repair...now we got gas taxes up the azz and roads still needing repair...i'm not sure why its against the law to hang politicians...littering maybe?

[Marshall Bennett]

And Obama favors us paying the same prices.
The sinking dirt-bag.
Once inflation really kicks in and bites us in the butt, they'll truly understand what damage his excessive spending has done. The dollar is on borrowed time and it's been that way for a while. He should have been doing the opposite. You don't right the ship by doing more of what got us in this position in the first place. I believe within the next 18 months people will seriously be feeling the effects. Gasoline prices reflect in the cost of transporting commodites.
I seriously doubt that any of this will happen in time to cost him the election. Most of the people he recruited to help insure his last victory will be there again. They'll be the last to be effected by inflation. Not all of them, but many.

[newtothegame]

Yes, even tho soaring gas prices can do nothing but hurt his re-election campaign, Obama favors even higher prices. I guess that's just the twisted way sinking dirt-bags like him think :D

If you believe that entitlements and the people who are on them, support democrats and are a voting block, then its not that far of a stretch.

[mostpost]

If you believe that entitlements and the people who are on them, support democrats and are a voting block, then its not that far of a stretch.

What is the entitlement of soaring gas prices?

[Robert Goren]

A station I worked at actually sold gas for 24.9 cents a gallon during a gas war in 1971 and we weren't the cheapest in town. I remember it being in the lower 90s cent a gallon in the late 1990s. Then the oil companies began to merge. There are so few of them these days that there is no competition. Where is that great republican trust buster Teddy Roosevelt, when we really need him.

[newtothegame]

What is the entitlement of soaring gas prices?
Mosty...you wouldnt understand lol.
Let me try to help ya.....
Rising prices (food and fuel) for people mean people have less money in their pockets.
Less money for people means more and more people driven toward entitlement programs like food stamps etc etc.
More people on entitlements (nanny state helping them), means more votes to save those said entitlement programs. Why do you think major democrats are now screaming how repugs are out to kill old people and starve others?? ITS ALL ABOUT VOTES.
You know it was funny...but someone here mentioned (in another thread) that about 85% of unions vote democrat. Gee...find that amazing?? I wonder how many people on welfare , food stamps, etc etc vote democrat? Just a question as I do not know the answer although I have my opinions. I mean even you say repugs are for big business which would mean they are not for the poor...right?
So, do you not see that this initself is a voting block? Just as illegal immigration is a touchy subject which ultimately leads to a voting block??
I know your not really this dense.

[Mike at A+]

Or maybe someone who could figure out how to open up our own resources.
Oh we can't do that. Think of the poor caribou you heartless animal hater.

[Mike at A+]

A station I worked at actually sold gas for 24.9 cents a gallon during a gas war in 1971 and we weren't the cheapest in town. I remember it being in the lower 90s cent a gallon in the late 1990s. Then the oil companies began to merge. There are so few of them these days that there is no competition. Where is that great republican trust buster Teddy Roosevelt, when we really need him.
I drove from NYC to Oklahoma City in a 1963 VW Beetle in 1972 and I remember paying 19.9 cents a gallon.

[mostpost]

Mosty...you wouldnt understand lol.
Let me try to help ya.....
Rising prices (food and fuel) for people mean people have less money in their pockets.
Less money for people means more and more people driven toward entitlement programs like food stamps etc etc.
More people on entitlements (nanny state helping them), means more votes to save those said entitlement programs. Why do you think major democrats are now screaming how repugs are out to kill old people and starve others?? ITS ALL ABOUT VOTES.
You know it was funny...but someone here mentioned (in another thread) that about 85% of unions vote democrat. Gee...find that amazing?? I wonder how many people on welfare , food stamps, etc etc vote democrat? Just a question as I do not know the answer although I have my opinions. I mean even you say repugs are for big business which would mean they are not for the poor...right?
So, do you not see that this initself is a voting block? Just as illegal immigration is a touchy subject which ultimately leads to a voting block??
I know your not really this dense.
You're right. I would not understand, because your argument is complete garbage. It starts with your belief that people want to be on food stamps and want to be taken care of by the state. That those people have no pride of self.

The poor don't vote for democrats because democrats are providing them with food stamps. They vote for democrats because they know that democrats are working to provide them with opportunities to participate in the economy; to contribute to society and be rewarded for that contribution.

Republicans on the other hand do nothing but put obstacle in the way of the poor who want to work and contribute. Defund Head Start so poor kids can't get pre school help. Shut sown public schools so poor students have no where to go to schools Defund Planned Parenthood so poor families have more children. I'm not talking about abortion. I am referring to not giving poor families access to information on contraception.

In many other, less direct, ways Republicans prove their disdain for those they consider beneath them. A perfect example is the deficit reduction plan put forward by Paul Ryan. What a piece of work he is!! His plan proposes $5T plus in spending cuts, most of which impact the poor, the elderly, the disabled, the young; those members of our society least able to survive such cuts. At the same time he proposes over $4T in tax cuts for corporations.

Hello Satan? I have a candidate for that "Special Place" you have down there.

[prospector]

Oh we can't do that. Think of the poor caribou you heartless animal hater.
its my understanding they're quite tasty..:)

[Mike at A+]

You're right. I would not understand, because your argument is complete garbage. It starts with your belief that people want to be on food stamps and want to be taken care of by the state. That those people have no pride of self.

The poor don't vote for democrats because democrats are providing them with food stamps. They vote for democrats because they know that democrats are working to provide them with opportunities to participate in the economy; to contribute to society and be rewarded for that contribution.

Republicans on the other hand do nothing but put obstacle in the way of the poor who want to work and contribute. Defund Head Start so poor kids can't get pre school help. Shut sown public schools so poor students have no where to go to schools Defund Planned Parenthood so poor families have more children. I'm not talking about abortion. I am referring to not giving poor families access to information on contraception.

In many other, less direct, ways Republicans prove their disdain for those they consider beneath them. A perfect example is the deficit reduction plan put forward by Paul Ryan. What a piece of work he is!! His plan proposes $5T plus in spending cuts, most of which impact the poor, the elderly, the disabled, the young; those members of our society least able to survive such cuts. At the same time he proposes over $4T in tax cuts for corporations.

Hello Satan? I have a candidate for that "Special Place" you have down there.
You are so disillusioned. YES, people want to be on food stamps and want to be taken care of by the state. They have no skills, no motivation and no interest in getting out of bed to go to work. There's lots of them all over America. And they all vote Democrat. They don't want to "participate in the economy". They want a check delivered to their doorstep at regular intervals. As far as "access to information on contraception" goes, hellooooo, it's 2011. Anyone who doesn't live under a rock knows that unprotected sex is the prime cause of pregnancy. Paul Ryan's plan is long overdue. Obama has basically destroyed the white middle class and everytime he opens his mouth to demonize the profit motive, more jobs go bye-bye. He's an asshole.

[cj's dad]

It starts with your belief that people want to be on food stamps and want to be taken care of by the state. Yes, so they can sleep in and watch re-runs of jerry springer while chowing down on Jimmy Dean biscuits. That those people have no pride of self. Exactly; while continuing to produce babies and applying for taxpayers $$$ to aid and abet their despicable life style.

The poor don't vote for democrats because democrats are providing them with food stamps. Yes they do, or else BHO would still be a 3rd rate Senator from the most corrupt state in the union, But, then again you know all about corrupt as you live there. They vote for democrats because they know that democrats are working to provide them with opportunities to participate in the economy; to contribute to society and be rewarded for that contribution. Quite possibly, the most asinine statement you have ever posted.


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I've taken to answer your ridiculous post by interjecting my thoughts.

Your post was a laugh a minute. Thanks for the frivolity after a long day of working, paying taxes and supporting BHO's 3 wars, Gitmo, high gas prices, etc.... BTW- please mail in your $$$ ASAP as BHO needs all the $$ he can get to hit the $1 Billion mark.

[Tom]

The dems have never helped anyone get ahead in life. Ever.

[newtothegame]

You're right. I would not understand, because your argument is complete garbage. It starts with your belief that people want to be on food stamps and want to be taken care of by the state. That those people have no pride of self.

Where did I say people wanted to be on food stamps?? For your comprehension, since that isnt a trong suit of yours, I said prices will force people there. Once there though, it becomes very tough to get them back into the work force.

The poor don't vote for democrats because democrats are providing them with food stamps. They vote for democrats because they know that democrats are working to provide them with opportunities to participate in the economy; to contribute to society and be rewarded for that contribution.

Sadly, you believe this. Have you not seen the MANY reports of how abama has hurt the poor more then helped?? See, you all think dems help the poor. The reality is the poor are looked at for ONE thing...thats a vote. Nothing more. If this weren't the case, why would dems take so much concern to even bus them to polling places??

Republicans on the other hand do nothing but put obstacle in the way of the poor who want to work and contribute. Defund Head Start so poor kids can't get pre school help. Shut sown public schools so poor students have no where to go to schools Defund Planned Parenthood so poor families have more children. I'm not talking about abortion. I am referring to not giving poor families access to information on contraception.

Planned parenthood? lmao...that's too funny. I am shocked you didnt mention acorn. Let me just ask you this..where is any of the PERSONAL responsibility that each person has for themselves? Poor kids all over new orleans cant get access to contraception yet they have the newest Iphones with internet capabilities...gee...thats odd!

In many other, less direct, ways Republicans prove their disdain for those they consider beneath them. A perfect example is the deficit reduction plan put forward by Paul Ryan. What a piece of work he is!! His plan proposes $5T plus in spending cuts, most of which impact the poor, the elderly, the disabled, the young; those members of our society least able to survive such cuts. At the same time he proposes over $4T in tax cuts for corporations.

I could of sworn I heard harry reid and Pelosi saying almost the exact same rhetoric....
Since your so much against cuts...how do we sustain the spending we currently have under THIS (democrat) administration?? Ohh wait, you didnt answer it in the other thread so I will assume you wont answer here. You dont believe spending is a problem...you believe the revenue is!! LMAO...you are seriously becomming less credible with every post!

Hello Satan? I have a candidate for that "Special Place" you have down there.

See above!

[NJ Stinks]

You're right. I would not understand, because your argument is complete garbage. It starts with your belief that people want to be on food stamps and want to be taken care of by the state. That those people have no pride of self.



I'll just address this point and the reactions that followed.

I wish I knew where all these people are that want to live on food stamps. Listening to the paranoia here there must be millions of them. Or let's put it in a percentage. There are roughly 300M people in this country. What percentage of those 300M lives to be on food stamps and make sure to vote Democratic so they don't lose their food stamp privileges? :rolleyes:

[NJ Stinks]

The dems have never helped anyone get ahead in life. Ever.

Man, somebody must stole your ball or something lately. Bitch. Bitch. And bitch somemore. :rolleyes:

65% of all seniors rely on their Social Security checks to get by. Your statement above is beyond idiotic.

[newtothegame]

I'll just address this point and the reactions that followed.

I wish I knew where all these people are that want to live on food stamps. Listening to the paranoia here there must be millions of them. Or let's put it in a percentage. There are roughly 300M people in this country. What percentage of those 300M lives to be on food stamps and make sure to vote Democratic so they don't lose their food stamp privileges? :rolleyes:
Recently there was a report that 1 in 8 is on food stamps. I am sure you can do the math. Why do you think that number has steadily grown?
37.5 million on food stamps...and that number is growing!

[bigmack]

65% of all seniors rely on their Social Security checks to get by. Your statement above is beyond idiotic.
Questions:

- How does SS help people get ahead?
- Isn't SS based on what people put in?
- Were D's only responsible for passing SS legislation?

The question at hand is D's helping people get ahead. Cough up examples or accept the smear of egg on your face.

[mostpost]

Where did I say people wanted to be on food stamps?? For your comprehension, since that isnt a trong suit of yours, I said prices will force people there. Once there though, it becomes very tough to get them back into the work force.
Here you say you don't think people want to be on food stamps. Yet in your original you say they will vote democratic to keep the programs. In the first place it is not about the prices, it's about the fact that these folks have no jobs or very poor jobs.
Sadly, you believe this. Have you not seen the MANY reports of how abama has hurt the poor more then helped?? See, you all think dems help the poor. The reality is the poor are looked at for ONE thing...thats a vote. Nothing more. If this weren't the case, why would dems take so much concern to even bus them to polling places??
I don't who this abama guy is you are talking about so I can't address your contention that he has hurt the poor more than helped. Do you mean Obama? Maybe you are talking about the time he refused to extend unempoyment benefits. No. Wait. That wasn't him. That was the Republicans. Please be more specific so I can shoot you down again. :D

As to the poor vote you claim controls elections. Do you know the percentage
of poor people that vote in a typical presidential election? It's 36%. That is by far the lowest percentage of any economic demographic.

I don't think democrats bus voters to the polls. I think they drive them in cars. So do Republicans.

Planned parenthood? lmao...that's too funny. I am shocked you didnt mention acorn. Let me just ask you this..where is any of the PERSONAL responsibility that each person has for themselves? Poor kids all over new orleans cant get access to contraception yet they have the newest Iphones with internet capabilities...gee...thats odd!

Planned Parenthood is not only about handing out condoms. It's also about educating people about why it is important to use them. In some cases it is about overcoming a cultural bias against such use.

You claim that poor kids in New Orleans all have IPhones. Prove that.

I could of sworn I heard harry reid and Pelosi saying almost the exact same rhetoric....
Since your so much against cuts...how do we sustain the spending we currently have under THIS (democrat) administration?? Ohh wait, you didnt answer it in the other thread so I will assume you wont answer here. You dont believe spending is a problem...you believe the revenue is!! LMAO...you are seriously becomming less credible with every post!


If Reid and Pelosi said the same thing I did, I commend them for their intelligence. :lol: :lol:

I think you misunderstand my point about revenue. Or maybe I didn't explain it well. We are in the situation we are in now because we did not collect enough revenue in the past. We (meaning Republican administrations) reduced our tax rates without reducing spending. To gain political advantage they reduced taxes, (pleasing anti-government-no tax types) but did not reduce military spending (pleasing hawks) nor social programs (which, according to you, gets them the neer-do-well vote.

Now we have the Ryan plan. (By the way, several of the Republican Presidential candidates were asked about the plan. None of them endorsed it. They all used platitudes like "it's a start" and "It moves the dialog"

If we have this great crisis, then it is a national crisis. The problem with the Ryan plan is that it asks that segment of the population which can least afford it to bear the brunt of the cost of fixing the problem. In the meantime those who can most afford it are given even more money.

How 'bout this. We look for and make all the cuts we can while still providing for our citizens AND we raise taxes half way to the levels that industry had no problem paying in the sixties.

[mostpost]

I'll just address this point and the reactions that followed.

I wish I knew where all these people are that want to live on food stamps. Listening to the paranoia here there must be millions of them. Or let's put it in a percentage. There are roughly 300M people in this country. What percentage of those 300M lives to be on food stamps and make sure to vote Democratic so they don't lose their food stamp privileges? :rolleyes:

Surely you must know. There are two types in this country; the hardworking, God fearing, patriots and the lazy, irresponsible, illegal enemies of the country.
The first type post here and do not include you or me. The second type is everyone else.

Guys like CJs Dad and Mike at A+ espouse ideas that do not stand up to scrutiny. The belief that someone would want to live a life with no purpose. The belief that the free market is a magic panacea and if allowed to function will provide unlimited jobs and prosperity. When this fails to happen they have to blame someone. They are incapable of blaming their idol, the god of the free market, so it must be someone else's fault. It must be the fault of the poor. If they are poor they must deserve to be poor.

They have this religious belief (many of them are evangelicals) in American exceptionalism. That God has somehow smiled on us. News flash. God doesn't care. At least he doesn't care about us anymore than he does about anyone else. We just happen to be lucky enough to live in a large country with a lot of resources. We are no more special than the people in any other country.

As sure as God made little green apples, they will accuse me of hating the United States of America. All this does is show their insecurity. I can love the country while being aware of her flaws. They need a perfect country to love.
I can love the country while recognizing the virtues of other countries. They need to denigrate other countries and peoples to validate their love of country.

[NJ Stinks]

Questions:



- How does SS help people get ahead?


- Isn't SS based on what people put in?
- Were D's only responsible for passing SS legislation?



The question at hand is D's helping people get ahead. Cough up examples or accept the smear of egg on your face.

Your first question is absurd.

Your second question begs the question: Why are Republicans anti SS?

As for the 3rd question, look it up and learn.

Democrats help people get by and get ahead. Republicans do neither unless they can make money by doing so. I'd list more examples but I'd rather not waste my time answering more dumb questions.

[newtothegame]

Here you say you don't think people want to be on food stamps. Yet in your original you say they will vote democratic to keep the programs. In the first place it is not about the prices, it's about the fact that these folks have no jobs or very poor jobs.

Again...you dont read well...go back and look at my popst. I never once said people WANT to be on food stamps. And yes, ONCE THEY ARE ON THOSE programs, they would be foolish to vote against those who want to keep entitlements in place. So, my original post was and I still maintain that most people who are on entitlement programs vote DEMOCRAT. Now you say they vote such because democrats look out for the poor. I would tell you that by supplying them entitlements, they are NOT looking out for them. Instead, they are opprosing them by enabling them to get hooked on said entitlements.


I don't who this abama guy is you are talking about so I can't address your contention that he has hurt the poor more than helped. Do you mean Obama? Maybe you are talking about the time he refused to extend unempoyment benefits. No. Wait. That wasn't him. That was the Republicans. Please be more specific so I can shoot you down again. :D

As to the poor vote you claim controls elections. Do you know the percentage
of poor people that vote in a typical presidential election? It's 36%. That is by far the lowest percentage of any economic demographic.
I don't dispute your numbers, but 36% or whatever, do you dispute that its an IMPORTANT part of any election? If you do, then again, why the fuss over it? Why do Pelosi and Reid and the likes continue to portray repugs as eldferly killers etc etc. ??? Who do you think they are pandering too when they say these things?

I don't think democrats bus voters to the polls. I think they drive them in cars. So do Republicans.



Planned Parenthood is not only about handing out condoms. It's also about educating people about why it is important to use them. In some cases it is about overcoming a cultural bias against such use.

You claim that poor kids in New Orleans all have IPhones. Prove that.
Again...you have reading comprehension problems...where did I say ALL poor kids in new orleans have I phones??


If Reid and Pelosi said the same thing I did, I commend them for their intelligence. :lol: :lol:

I think you misunderstand my point about revenue. Or maybe I didn't explain it well. We are in the situation we are in now because we did not collect enough revenue in the past.
Kind of hard to collect the amount we are spending when only 50% of America is paying taxes...dont ya think??

We (meaning Republican administrations) reduced our tax rates without reducing spending. To gain political advantage they reduced taxes, (pleasing anti-government-no tax types) but did not reduce military spending (pleasing hawks) nor social programs (which, according to you, gets them the neer-do-well vote.

Now we have the Ryan plan. (By the way, several of the Republican Presidential candidates were asked about the plan. None of them endorsed it. They all used platitudes like "it's a start" and "It moves the dialog"
That's because they are all scared of touching those sensitive programs (entitlements). But you, nor anyone else can show how to get the deficit under control and back in line (without at some point) going into these programs.

If we have this great crisis, then it is a national crisis. The problem with the Ryan plan is that it asks that segment of the population which can least afford it to bear the brunt of the cost of fixing the problem. In the meantime those who can most afford it are given even more money.

How 'bout this. We look for and make all the cuts we can while still providing for our citizens AND we raise taxes half way to the levels that industry had no problem paying in the sixties.

Nope....how about we make ALL americans pay taxes. You talk about Ryan and people going after "segments of the population...."...Well isnt not having half of america pay for taxes going after another segment by asking them to pay more??

[NJ Stinks]

Surely you must know. There are two types in this country; the hardworking, God fearing, patriots and the lazy, irresponsible, illegal enemies of the country.
The first type post here and do not include you or me. The second type is everyone else.



Mostpost, if I had as many enemies in this country as the righties do, I think I'd move to France. No. Can't do that. The French are enemies too! I guess there is only one thing to do - wail and wail some more! :lol:

Speaking of the right, today I'm listening Prager and Rush laughing at Pelosi because she said 6M people will lose Meals On Wheels if the government shuts down. Prager starts in with this Utopia where all the benevolent folks throughout the land provide meals for their less fortunate neighbors. After all, Prager says, it is more beautiful if we personally help our neighbors rather than the government.

Question: Why did Meals on Wheels ever start in the first place? God knows there should not have been any demand for it to begin with. Right, Dennis? :rolleyes:

[newtothegame]

Your first question is absurd.

Your second question begs the question: Why are Republicans anti SS?

As for the 3rd question, look it up and learn.

Democrats help people get by and get ahead. Republicans do neither unless they can make money by doing so. I'd list more examples but I'd rather not waste my time answering more dumb questions.

You didnt answer ONE single question lol.
So to claim you don't want to answer MORE ...well guess it is you with egg on your face as Mack suggest.
:lol:

[bigmack]

Democrats help people get ahead.
After your dodgefest, how 'bout getting back to the question posed to you?

Example of D policy that has helped people get ahead.

[NJ Stinks]

After your dodgefest, how 'bout getting back to the question posed to you?

Example of D policy that has helped people get ahead.

Pell Grants.

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Pell Grants.
Head Start

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As for the 3rd question, look it up and learn.

I did and was surprised at the answer. Sorry Mack, you'll have to look it up and learn yourself.

[NJ Stinks]

Head Start

Stafford Loans

[bigmack]

Pell Grants.
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Stafford Loans
GI Bill

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All the above is from an e-mail that has been thoroughly debunked by snopes.com at this link. http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/changes.asp

[BlueShoe]

New Jersey is in 4th place when it comes to cheap gas. We ain't a Red state.

Check out the link below and see how your state compares with other states when it comes to gas, cigs, spirits, wines, and beers.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html
Must admit that Jersey is the exception, but the link pretty much proves my point that in general, gas taxes are highest in Blue, Democrat controlled states. Ignore so called sin taxes on tobacco and alcohol and compare gasoline taxes. Big left wing states such as California, New York, and Illinois have higher gas taxes than do the conservative states in the Rockies and Plains states. For example, next door Arizona gas taxes are less than half that of Californias.

[Marshall Bennett]

Must admit that Jersey is the exception, but the link pretty much proves my point that in general, gas taxes are highest in Blue, Democrat controlled states. Ignore so called sin taxes on tobacco and alcohol and compare gasoline taxes. Big left wing states such as California, New York, and Illinois have higher gas taxes than do the conservative states in the Rockies and Plains states. For example, next door Arizona gas taxes are less than half that of Californias.
Makes sense when you think about it. All those social programs, the cost is enormous. Even with the added taxes those particular states carry the highest debt. It ruined Massachusetts. " Nanny states " feel the pain the most and liberals breed them.

[JustRalph]

Still paying through the nose

[OntheRail]

Still paying through the nose
WOW $3.19 is about $0.55 cheaper then I just paid. Why are they not still outraged? Oh that's right Dem's in the House... so it's all good. :rolleyes:

[PaceAdvantage]

WOW $3.19 is about $0.55 cheaper then I just paid. Why are they not still outraged? Oh that's right Dem's in the House... so it's all good. :rolleyes:It is strange, isn't it?

The left was always so ready to blame high oil prices on Bush and his "big oil" cronies...now that there hasn't been a Bush in the White House for almost five years, and oil prices have never really eased up since Obama took office, there are no easy scapegoats to go after...so what do they do?

They ignore the elephant in the room. Focus on some phantom racism. Some downtrodden poor folks...the evils of old white men...blah blah blah blah blah