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Casino
03-29-2011, 06:37 PM
Florida Derby being run on Sunday :ThmbDown:






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toussaud
03-29-2011, 07:10 PM
I like it.

jelly
03-29-2011, 07:33 PM
I like It too.

castaway01
03-29-2011, 08:42 PM
No NFL now, so who cares one way or the other?

toussaud
03-29-2011, 09:24 PM
In fact not only do I like it, it's brilliant. why go head to head against the final four?

you run on the one day between the final four and the national championship game making people/fans not have to chose. I know I missed basically half of sunday watching VCU game.

Paseana
03-29-2011, 09:32 PM
I don't follow March Madness at all, but aren't the Final Four games scheduled for Saturday? If I'm right, I would think Gulfstream wouldn't want the Florida Derby to have to compete with the collective attention that is likely to be focused on that. There may not have been any direct timing conflict, but the US sports world is going to be consumed by it the whole day.

Just a thought.

Late edit: Ha Toussaud....you beat me to it! :D I'm glad you posted though, because I really wasn't sure if I was right, and I was a little worried that I was going to look like a complete idiot!

nijinski
03-29-2011, 09:39 PM
Would have been nice to have in this weeks contest though.

Edward DeVere
03-29-2011, 10:44 PM
I was a little worried that I was going to look like a complete idiot!

Hmmm. This is not normally a concern for posting on Internet forums.

toussaud
03-29-2011, 11:30 PM
To add, the Univeristy of Flordia was literary, 1 point away from going to the final four. Made it to the elite 8, and lost to Butler in overtime 73 to 71. Had they scored one more point in regulation, not a damn person in the state of florida would give 2 craps about the florida derby at 5pm EST

Dahoss9698
03-30-2011, 12:58 AM
Had they scored one more point in regulation, not a damn person in the state of florida would give 2 craps about the florida derby at 5pm EST

Stop it. The track would have been packed regardless.

toussaud
03-30-2011, 01:09 AM
Stop it. The track would have been packed regardless.
you stop it lol.

Take a step back from the mud slinging and realize that we aren't talking about hardcore patrons here. people like you are going to be going to the track if it was the resurrection day. No, we are talking about all the people that Florida built the boutiques for and the massage center and the food courts and the people they want to get out for the weekend. The "social bettor", is not going to be at the track if he has to decide between watching a horse race and watching the final four.

Also, the word "packed" is relative. Are there going to be alot of people out, of course. you got me there. But a good business is about maximizing profit, but if we are talking the difference between possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in on track handle if not more and defiantly millions of of handle if you force causal fans to take a stand. Considering it costs you, absoutly no additional money to run on sunday versus saturday, and you get a bump between 5 and 10% in handle and purses (let's check last year's florida derby versus this years, it will be higher).. how is that not a charlie sheenesque win?
Horse racing is not at the stage, outside of 3 days a year, to force any causal fan to take a stand.

horses4courses
03-30-2011, 01:12 AM
Hmmm. This is not normally a concern for posting on Internet forums.

Hehe....I like the humor.

I, also, like the idea of running some major races on Sundays.
Let's see how the attendance and handle numbers pan out.

Dahoss9698
03-30-2011, 01:27 AM
you stop it lol.

Take a step back from the mud slinging and realize that we aren't talking about hardcore patrons here. people like you are going to be going to the track if it was the resurrection day. No, we are talking about all the people that Florida built the boutiques for and the massage center and the food courts and the people they want to get out for the weekend. The "social bettor", is not going to be at the track if he has to decide between watching a horse race and watching the final four.

Also, the word "packed" is relative. Are there going to be alot of people out, of course. you got me there. But a good business is about maximizing profit, but if we are talking the difference between possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in on track handle if not more and defiantly millions of of handle if you force causal fans to take a stand. Considering it costs you, absoutly no additional money to run on sunday versus saturday, and you get a bump between 5 and 10% in handle and purses (let's check last year's florida derby versus this years, it will be higher).. how is that not a charlie sheenesque win?
Horse racing is not at the stage, outside of 3 days a year, to force any causal fan to take a stand.

I'm not mudslinging, you're making no sense. The state of Florida doesn't stop functioning because one of the colleges in the state is in the Final Four. People aren't forced to make a choice. It's 2011. I watched at least 5 tournament games at Gulfstream last year the week of the Florida Derby, while betting the races. There are TV's everywhere and all of the games were being televised. Not to mention all of the bars and restaraunts at Gulfstream showing games.

There are certain days at certain tracks that are going to be busy regardless. They could run the Florida Derby on a Tuesday and the track is going to be packed and handle is going to be huge.

Now, if Florida or Miami was playing for the BCS football championship, maybe what you are saying would be accurate. But basketball doesn't have the kind of juice in Florida that football does.

JustRalph
03-30-2011, 02:17 AM
Damn! Now Boxcar won't be able to play...........

Paseana
03-30-2011, 02:27 AM
Hehe....I like the humor.

I, also, like the idea of running some major races on Sundays.
Let's see how the attendance and handle numbers pan out.

:ThmbUp:

Spiderman
03-30-2011, 06:35 AM
:ThmbUp:

Robert Goren
03-30-2011, 09:23 AM
I think in this case it is worth a shot.

mannyberrios
03-30-2011, 10:44 AM
Sunday, No Problem!

BIG49010
03-30-2011, 12:25 PM
In Sarasota Florida the Dog track is the only place to bet, it is closed on Sundays. Not that this is going to be more than a blip in the handle, but there could be others that operate this way.

It's just another day to me, run it on Wednesday, for all I care.

I would much prefer 11 races of 30k NW3 on the grass!

toussaud
03-30-2011, 01:06 PM
I used to live 2 blocks from that dog track, right off highway 41 and not far from the sarasota airport

Hanover1
03-30-2011, 03:28 PM
In this particular case is is a good call. The segment that wants heavy action, action they want to focus on singularly, then they hit the Bball on Saturday, and follow up with the Derby on Sunday. This segment may not be compromised of any significant % of bettors, but those that do play in this manner will be able to focus attention to the track, and not be flipping cash one way or the other on both if they want to be a part of every moment. The guys that organize these deals get paid well to make the correct call in these regards. They miss the mark on occasion, but this time, its spot on imo.

GameTheory
03-30-2011, 04:50 PM
What is the case against Sunday, exactly?

precocity
03-30-2011, 06:20 PM
I am off on sat-sun no problem :ThmbUp: war soldat :ThmbUp:

OTM Al
03-30-2011, 10:10 PM
What is the case against Sunday, exactly?

Rule #2: The racing industry needs to change, but all change is bad.

toussaud
03-30-2011, 10:21 PM
While I am not what you would call the most religious person on earth, I have a problem with tracks racing too early on sunday, simply becuase it doesn't make sense. A person should be able to do the church family thing then be able to catch a few races if he chooses. And dont' give me the whole how can you go to church and go to the track thing when we have chaplains at every track in the country.


Sunday racing is freaking great, just like all sports on sunday is great. But sunday racing at 11am is bad. That's what time church starts. In my humblest of opinions

Irish Boy
03-31-2011, 12:32 AM
I DEMAND MATLOCK, WARM PRUNE JUICE, AND ALL MY MAJOR RACING ON SATURDAYS.

Tom
03-31-2011, 07:24 AM
Cuts it close for the future book betting that ends at 6:00 pm.