Run for the Recall

[Ocala Mike]

Instead of the Run for the Roses. Here is my line on the proposition, "who will be the first newly-elected governor to be recalled":

Rick Scott (R) - FL 6/5
Scott Walker (R) - WI 8/5
John Kasich (R) - OH 3/1
Any Democrat 8/1
All Others 12/1

I think that adds up to the right number of points, considering takeout.

Not actually sure if there is a recall provision in WI or OH, but a move is already afoot in the Sunshine State to oust our "CEO."


Ocala Mike

[newtothegame]

Instead of the Run for the Roses. Here is my line on the proposition, "who will be the first newly-elected governor to be recalled":

Rick Scott (R) - FL 6/5
Scott Walker (R) - WI 8/5
John Kasich (R) - OH 3/1
Any Democrat 8/1
All Others 12/1

I think that adds up to the right number of points, considering takeout.

Not actually sure if there is a recall provision in WI or OH, but a move is already afoot in the Sunshine State to oust our "CEO."


Ocala Mike

Gee, its amazing you only mentioned by name REPUGS....
Cristy (NJ) was in there?? DAMN your slipping ocala....

[mostpost]

Instead of the Run for the Roses. Here is my line on the proposition, "who will be the first newly-elected governor to be recalled":

Rick Scott (R) - FL 6/5
Scott Walker (R) - WI 8/5
John Kasich (R) - OH 3/1
Any Democrat 8/1
All Others 12/1

I think that adds up to the right number of points, considering takeout.

Not actually sure if there is a recall provision in WI or OH, but a move is already afoot in the Sunshine State to oust our "CEO."


Ocala Mike
As I understand Wisconsin does have recall, but it can not be used until the governor has been in office for one year.

[johnhannibalsmith]

...
I think that adds up to the right number of points, considering takeout.

...

At a glance, I think you got 126... Must be at a racino... :D

[Ocala Mike]

Gee, its amazing you only mentioned by name REPUGS....
Cristy (NJ) was in there?? DAMN your slipping ocala....


You're right, I left out Christie. By "newly elected," I meant in 2010. Also, no names of Dems because they are in the field (deservedly, in this case; weren't many newly elected ones).


Ocala Mike

[Robert Goren]

It is really hard to feel for the people of Florida. What they did expect when they elected him? He was head of a company that had to pay 2 Billion dollars in fines for Medicare fraud. I guess in some places all you have to do to get elected is claim to be a tea partier which he did.

[ArlJim78]

these guys are heroes of the right. finally some adults have arrived on the scene to clean up the devasation left by so many years of unsustainable borrow and spend policies which treated public unions as sacred cows. no more.

Chris Christie was the first to show it could be done. He kicked off the revolution. Scott and Walker and Kasich and Paul Ryan in the house are also leaders taking up the charge. i know people are fond of saying that there is no difference between the parties, but they couldn't be more wrong. the stuff these guys are doing takes courage and leadership.

democrats of course are going to do what they do best and demagogue the issue. i see the other day they held a press conference with Big Bird from sesame street, in wisconsin they fled the scene on a bus rather than do the hard work, the CBC is out there complaining about Obama's proposed "draconian" cuts.

no i don't think these guys are going to be recalled anytime soon. Christie's popularity continues to climb over time.

[HUSKER55]

here in wisconsin walker is being supported by the people who voted him in.

The dems all got on a bus and went to Rockford to hide out. (seriously)
they are toast when the next election comes.

Teachers in wisconsin get over $100k (wages and benefits),and all he asked for was was them to pay their fair share of benefits in line with the taxpayers in this state.

[Tom]

Teachers in wisconsin get over $100k (wages and benefits),and all he asked for was was them to pay their fair share of benefits in line with the taxpayers in this state.

But they are the "elite" people - double blessed, teachers AND unioin people.
that entitles them to special considerations and the rest of us peons just better cough up the money!

Who do we taxpayers think we are, anyway?

[Ocala Mike]

all he asked for was was them to pay their fair share of benefits in line with the taxpayers in this state.

Even if that was all he asked for, it should have been done through collective bargaining. He obviously wants to bust the union. Keep in mind, too, that the public employees are also taxpayers and voters.


Ocala Mike

[GaryG]

This is definitely the kind of CHANGE that I can believe in....screw the public employee unions.

[Tom]

Even if that was all he asked for, it should have been done through collective bargaining. He obviously wants to bust the union. Keep in mind, too, that the public employees are also taxpayers and voters.


Ocala Mike

But, they get some of those taxes back through their inflated salary and benefits packages.

Busting the unions will benefit far more taxpayers than it will hurt(?) union members. No brainer here.

[newtothegame]

Even if that was all he asked for, it should have been done through collective bargaining. He obviously wants to bust the union. Keep in mind, too, that the public employees are also taxpayers and voters.


Ocala Mike
Mike...I am sure you know as well as I that collective bargaining is a joke.
It would most likely end up at an impasse anyways....then you would be right back to square one.
Unions are about one thing.....MONEY.
Now I am nottalking about the membership directly here...but the UNION itself.
It is nothing more then a business itself.....
It lives and breathes on the dues that are collected from its membership. It uses its membership to strong arm companies into what it wants by using fear and threats of closing down the business if not agreed upon. Don't believe me?? Just look at the schools right now in Wisconsin....hell they even have the kids on the capitals steps with them.
And I would of sworn there was a law about truancy!!!

[boxcar]

Even if that was all he asked for, it should have been done through collective bargaining. He obviously wants to bust the union. Keep in mind, too, that the public employees are also taxpayers and voters.


Ocala Mike

And you should try to keep in mind that those "public employees" wouldn't have a have jobs if it weren't for the people in the private sector underwriting their paychecks and benefits! And also remember that government doesn't, never has and never will generate wealth. Wealth is created in the private sector by entrepreneurs and comapnies and that wealth is disseminated down to private sector employees who in turn pay taxes. And never forget that governments, at all levels, are the leeches. The Private Sector is the host from which the leeches suck the lifeblood!
This is a really easy, "Who came first -- the chicken or egg?" puzzle to solve.

Boxcar

[prospector]

these guys are heroes of the right. finally some adults have arrived on the scene to clean up the devasation left by so many years of unsustainable borrow and spend policies which treated public unions as sacred cows. no more.

Chris Christie was the first to show it could be done. He kicked off the revolution. Scott and Walker and Kasich and Paul Ryan in the house are also leaders taking up the charge. i know people are fond of saying that there is no difference between the parties, but they couldn't be more wrong. the stuff these guys are doing takes courage and leadership.

democrats of course are going to do what they do best and demagogue the issue. i see the other day they held a press conference with Big Bird from sesame street, in wisconsin they fled the scene on a bus rather than do the hard work, the CBC is out there complaining about Obama's proposed "draconian" cuts.

no i don't think these guys are going to be recalled anytime soon. Christie's popularity continues to climb over time.
spot on!
but a special thanks to the unions for building up Vegas...i'm sure the members didn't miss their money..

[HUSKER55]

perhaps we should have a recall election for those senators that ran away

[don]

President too.......

[boxcar]

President too.......

And if that fails, can we repeal a president? :lol:

Boxcar

[HUSKER55]

Would you believe that some group has filed in court for a recall based on accountability issues of the democratic senators?

Sorry Ocala Mike. Looks like your 12:1 just hit the boards

should be on the news today I would think. I am waiting for details

[boxcar]

Would you believe that some group has filed in court for a recall based on accountability issues of the democratic senators?

Sorry Ocala Mike. Looks like your 12:1 just hit the boards

should be on the news today I would think. I am waiting for details

The Dems are so pathetic. They also champion irresponsibility through their welfare policies (except when it comes to those who actually pay taxes), and now when the people of Wisconsin are confronted with very serious issues, the Dems themselves act irresponsibly. No character. No ethics. No morality. No credibility. No courage. No accountability. No leadership.

Boxcar

[Ocala Mike]

Sorry Ocala Mike. Looks like your 12:1 just hit the boards




Nope; read the conditions. Race was restricted to newly elected governors. I'm still gold.


Ocala Mike

[newtothegame]

Wis. Republicans hold off Democrats in recalls, win enough seats to keep majority in Senate
Wednesday, August 10, 2011

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Wis. Republicans hold off Democrats in recalls, win enough seats to keep majority in Senate
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/wis-republicans-hold-democrats-recalls-w

[TJDave]

Teachers in wisconsin get over $100k (wages and benefits)

That's hard to believe.

[HUSKER55]

i found that hard to believe as well but it was in a local paper. If I can find it I will post a copy.

[Tom]

The people have spoken, and the unions are not their choice.
mostie...anyone heard from mostie?
Someone should check on him! :lol:


How could they resist the opportunity to snuff that horrible Tea Party? :lol:

[Mike at A+]

Let the riots begin. Can't wait to see some more pathetic union thuggery, loitering, littering and juvenile behavior on TV encouraged by the Democrat Party. Hopefully the police will crack some heads next time. At least the slobs will get a bath when they're hauled off to jail.

[ArlJim78]

the union thug tactics backfired and they ended up blowing a lot of money on these recall elections. also all of the dire consequences that they predicted have not come to pass.

[Valuist]

I'm sure the MSM will come up with some vote count nonsense now. Bunch of whiney crybabies.

[Tom]

I guess I will take elections over charts any day. :lol:

Beck had a video today that I can't find yet, but it is of a Verison Union goon putting his daughter in the way of trucks trying to enter a plant and screaming at the "scabs" to look at the face of who they were taking food away from.

Yeah, look fast, before she gets run over by a truck!

[rastajenk]

I just read somewhere else that two cheesehead Dem senators that skipped out to Illinois in March are up for their own recall elections next week. That could be fun. I wonder if Ed Schulz & MSNBC All-Stars will set up shop locally for those.

[dartman51]

I guess I will take elections over charts any day. :lol:

Beck had a video today that I can't find yet, but it is of a Verison Union goon putting his daughter in the way of trucks trying to enter a plant and screaming at the "scabs" to look at the face of who they were taking food away from.

Yeah, look fast, before she gets run over by a truck!

The asshole should have been arrested for child endangerment. I have no problem if the idiot wants to throw his own body in front of a truck, but to use his kid, what a scum bag.

[mostpost]

Wis. Republicans hold off Democrats in recalls, win enough seats to keep majority in Senate
Wednesday, August 10, 2011

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Wis. Republicans hold off Democrats in recalls, win enough seats to keep majority in Senate
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/wis-republicans-hold-democrats-recalls-w

It is disappointing that we did not win the three seats required to shift the balance in the Wisconsin Senate. We did win two seats in strong Republican districts. In fact all six of the Republican state senators won by substantial margins in 2008 when Obama carried Wisconsin by 13 points.

[mostpost]

Let the riots begin. Can't wait to see some more pathetic union thuggery, loitering, littering and juvenile behavior on TV encouraged by the Democrat Party. Hopefully the police will crack some heads next time. At least the slobs will get a bath when they're hauled off to jail.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Recognize that? It's in the Constitution; first amendment. You remember the constitution? It's the document you conservatives say we should follow to the letter. Apparently "to the letter" means cracking the heads of people we disagree with.

[Mike at A+]

Problem is that it wasn't done "peaceably" in Wisconsin. I recall some damage being done and a costly cleanup. The problem with you Democrats is that you're unable to face facts like adults and would rather inconvenience everyone and anyone with your little hissy fits when you don't get your way. Your rent-a-mobs cross the line far too often and it's going to take a good beatdown someday to drive some sense into their thick selfish skulls.

[BlueShoe]

Race was restricted to newly elected governors.
Left out of the race was a loon that should be odds on, but will not be because of the powers that be in his state, he will not make the entries. Are we all familiar with Governor Moonbeam? The old pot smoking hippy that has never abandoned his far left ideas from the 60's? Jerry Brown was elected to lead the Peoples Socialist Republic of Mexifornia, and immediately hopped right into bed with the public employees unions, the pro illegal immigrant gang, and just about every other left wing group around. We told everyone so before the election, but not enough citizens listened.

[wisconsin]

It is disappointing that we did not win the three seats required to shift the balance in the Wisconsin Senate. We did win two seats in strong Republican districts. In fact all six of the Republican state senators won by substantial margins in 2008 when Obama carried Wisconsin by 13 points.

What's the we stuff, Mosty? This affects you how? You don't live here. The level in which the unions and dems sunk to is appalling, and believe me, there have never been so many slanderous commercials on tv and radio in this state the past several months. Factor in the money spent, it's shameful. The irony will be next week if we get back one seat or both in the democratic recall election of 2 seats.

[BlueShoe]

The level in which the unions and dems sunk to is appalling, and believe me, there have never been so many slanderous commercials on tv and radio in this state the past several months.
They have taken to the airwaves in California bigtime. Currently running are very scary sounding commercials that purport to warn signers of ballot initiative petitions that they are at very high risk of identity theft if they sign them. Pure bunk, an outright lie by the unions. Not mentioned is that there are ballot initiative proposals attemping to qualify that would enact sharp pension reforms on the unions. Pure and simple outright lying scare tactics by the public employees unions.

[Tom]

Hey mosite...."WE THE PEOPLE" won this one. Deal with it. YOU were rejected.
:lol:

[mostpost]

What's the we stuff, Mosty? This affects you how? You don't live here. The level in which the unions and dems sunk to is appalling, and believe me, there have never been so many slanderous commercials on tv and radio in this state the past several months. Factor in the money spent, it's shameful. The irony will be next week if we get back one seat or both in the democratic recall election of 2 seats.

It affects me in that if they can steal workers rights in Wisconsin, they can do it in Illinois. If corporations and secret political committees can finance campaigns in Wisconsin without accountability, they can do it in Illinois. If they can slander hard working teachers in Wisconsin, they can do it in Illinois.

And if they can do it against teachers and municipal employees this time, they can do it against car salesmen next time.

[mostpost]

Hey mosite...."WE THE PEOPLE" won this one. Deal with it. YOU were rejected.
:lol:
I wouldn't say you won. I would say you hung on. Call it the equivalent of a shootout victory in hockey.
We have more than a year to convince intelligent people of the poverty of your ideas. Wisconsin was a first step.

[wisconsin]

It affects me in that if they can steal workers rights in Wisconsin, they can do it in Illinois. If corporations and secret political committees can finance campaigns in Wisconsin without accountability, they can do it in Illinois. If they can slander hard working teachers in Wisconsin, they can do it in Illinois.

And if they can do it against teachers and municipal employees this time, they can do it against car salesmen next time.

The recall campaigns financed without accountability were clearly the ones produced by the left and the unions, and they were not slandering teachers. At least get the facts straight. And get over yourself. Nobody is "stealing" workers rights. Collective bargaining was never a constitutional right. Workers have no right to dictate insurance and pensions, which is what this really is all about.

[wisconsin]

I wouldn't say you won. I would say you hung on. Call it the equivalent of a shootout victory in hockey.
We have more than a year to convince intelligent people of the poverty of your ideas. Wisconsin was a first step.


Yeah, 4 to 2 is not a victory. Better hope "you" hold on next week because 2 dem's are up for recall on Tuesday.

[mostpost]

Yeah, 4 to 2 is not a victory. Better hope "you" hold on next week because 2 dem's are up for recall on Tuesday.

When this is all over, we will find that Democrats retained 100% of the seats they were challenged in while Republicans retained only 66% of the seats they were challenged in. Translate that to baseball and the Democrats won the pennant by 58 games. :jump: :jump: :jump:

[NJ Stinks]

Busting the unions will benefit far more taxpayers than it will hurt(?) union members. No brainer here.

The no brainer here is that the less unionized the country's workers are, the more worse off they are.

That is so obvious to anyone paying any attention at all.

Unions will make a comeback. People will only put up with so much shit from employers before they organize and fight back.

[wisconsin]

When this is all over, we will find that Democrats retained 100% of the seats they were challenged in while Republicans retained only 66% of the seats they were challenged in. Translate that to baseball and the Democrats won the pennant by 58 games. :jump: :jump: :jump:


And at the end of the day, the score is still 17-16. Nice try, though.

[HUSKER55]

The unions spent $30 million on this round of recall elections. One of the repubs that lost was on the verge of an ethics investigation so no big deal. The other seat was won by less than 800 votes. That means neither made an impact in the district. That means I would have had an equal shot.:D


Yep, money well spent. Thhe unions are clearly deep thinkers and masters of blowing other peoples money.

Wanna betyour dues go up?

[mostpost]

The unions spent $30 million on this round of recall elections. One of the repubs that lost was on the verge of an ethics investigation so no big deal. The other seat was won by less than 800 votes. That means neither made an impact in the district. That means I would have had an equal shot.:D


Yep, money well spent. Thhe unions are clearly deep thinkers and masters of blowing other peoples money.

Wanna betyour dues go up?

I keep hearing the unions spent $30M on the recall elections. Yet when I look at the nonpartisan watchdog site Wisconsin Democracy Campaign I find the following union contributions to Democratic Candidates. Sandy Pasch $4,640 Jessica King $8,680; Jennifer Shilling $200; Nancy Nusbaum no record; Shelly Moore no record; Fred Clark $4025. Now maybe unions gave contributions totaling $29.9M to Nusbaum and Moore, but I doubt it.

Of course since the Citizens United decision, corporations and the like can contribute anything they like without identifying them selves. So, the question is how much did Citizens United contribute to Republican candidates. How much did Karl Rove's group American Crossroads contribute. What were the contributions of Freedom Watch. We may never find out. But, I am certain they spent at least as much as the unions.

[ElKabong]

I just read somewhere else that two cheesehead Dem senators that skipped out to Illinois in March are up for their own recall elections next week. That could be fun. I wonder if Ed Schulz & MSNBC All-Stars will set up shop locally for those.

Not sure how many of ya'll stayed up past midnite to watch Fat Ed on msnbc and his WI union siding sidekick, the carrot top guy with bad teeth....

midnite..., intro's, crowd is buzzed, Fat Ed is stating they have 2 seats in the bag, 2 are lost back to the pubs, 2 are up in the air...carrot top sez he's highly optinistic those 2 on the fence will turn blue soon

12:20...oops, we only have 1 seat turning blue FOR SURE, but not to worry, we'll get three new blue seats!

12:40...awright awright awright.....we're taking that 2nd blue seat thnak yew vurry much. The 2 on the fence? Well we're a bit worried that one will get away, but we get that 3rd seat and WE HAVE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE (hear me roar)

1am....aw jeez hoser, we look screwed here. carrot top is now frowning, the crowd that was once frenzied is now realizing the voting populace rejected thug union politics.....again. Reality is a bitch, the pubs have won 4 of the 6 recalls, with 2 dem seats on the line coming up.

Then...right now on msnbc I'm watching Fat Ed and carrot top raking Obama over the coals for not going to WI to campiagn for these seats....they're coming down on TOTUS in a big way, begging the dumbass to "get in that bus and go to Ohio before it's too late for THEM"

Poor Obie. Can't do anything right in the eyes of the Left anymore....he's even lost his mad Community Organizer skillz. (pssst, Ed....Obama was attending fund raising dinners and doing dance cheers for celebs...he has no time anymore for the midwest white folk fighting for what they think is right)

p.s....didn't see ONE black face in the crowd all night on msnbc during fat Ed's show at midnite...click+file+save, for the next time i see a post about not seeing any people of color at tea party rallys

[Tom]

I fear that Knucklehead Ed and mostie are liable to run full speed into each other, heads down, in desperation. And one of them never wore a helmet!:D

[JustRalph]

You mean the Sarge couldn't pull it off for them?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052711/content/01125104.Par.89380.ImageFile.jpg

[Tom]

He...knows.....nuthink!

[wisconsin]

I keep hearing the unions spent $30M on the recall elections. Yet when I look at the nonpartisan watchdog site Wisconsin Democracy Campaign I find the following union contributions to Democratic Candidates. Sandy Pasch $4,640 Jessica King $8,680; Jennifer Shilling $200; Nancy Nusbaum no record; Shelly Moore no record; Fred Clark $4025. Now maybe unions gave contributions totaling $29.9M to Nusbaum and Moore, but I doubt it.

Of course since the Citizens United decision, corporations and the like can contribute anything they like without identifying them selves. So, the question is how much did Citizens United contribute to Republican candidates. How much did Karl Rove's group American Crossroads contribute. What were the contributions of Freedom Watch. We may never find out. But, I am certain they spent at least as much as the unions.

The unions spent the money on commercials, ads that were not put out by the repective campaigns.

[JBmadera]

The unions spent the money on commercials, ads that were not put out by the repective campaigns.


exactly, was just going to post the same thing.

[mostpost]

The unions spent the money on commercials, ads that were not put out by the repective campaigns.

And Americans for Prosperity (Koch Bros.) American Crossroads (Karl Rove) Freedom Watch (Dick Armey) did the same for Republicans.

[rastajenk]

El-K, that was a good synopsis of the coverage on MSNBC the other night. I saw an Ed S teaser during Larry (Lies! Lies! Liars Lying Lies!!) O'Donnell's timeslot earlier that evening and committed to not staying with it, but after reading your recap I wish I had. The rabid excitement over a historic election night about to happen, and then to have it slip away like that...that's rich stuff.

[rastajenk]

And Americans for Prosperity (Koch Bros.) American Crossroads (Karl Rove) Freedom Watch (Dick Armey) did the same for Republicans.Republicans that won in general elections just a few months before, performed their duties in the legislature that they were elected to do, and shouldn't have faced a recall contest to begin with? Those Republicans? Good thing they got some help, it seems to me.

[Ocala Mike]

Bump! It's a long way from official, but it looks like they're going to pay off on Walker at 8/5. Probably be a very long inquiry though; Wisconsin has to recover from a recent indignity suffered on the football field.


Ocala Mike

[Ocala Mike]

Instead of the Run for the Roses. Here is my line on the proposition, "who will be the first newly-elected governor to be recalled":

Rick Scott (R) - FL 6/5
Scott Walker (R) - WI 8/5
John Kasich (R) - OH 3/1
Any Democrat 8/1
All Others 12/1

I think that adds up to the right number of points, considering takeout.

Not actually sure if there is a recall provision in WI or OH, but a move is already afoot in the Sunshine State to oust our "CEO."


Ocala Mike


Bump. I guess if you had Walker, you win. Doubt that he'll actually lose the recall election, however, as Dems don't seem to have a viable opponent.


Ocala Mike

[HUSKER55]

On the news the other night one of the complaints against walker was he wants the teachers to pay 12.5% of their health insurance premiums.

I wondering how they would feel about paying 100% of their premiums like everyone else.