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delayjf
02-17-2011, 12:16 AM
Interesting article about the collapse of the Green energy sector.


After looking at televised images of at what is happening in Egypt last week, the Netherlands, in an abrupt turn around, announced on Feb. 11 that it is reducing its 20 percent target for renewable energy, cutting wind and solar power subsidies, and approving nuclear power plants, which have been banned for the past 40 years.

In the rest of Europe there is panic as the green energy bubble is collapsing due to rising oil prices as a result of Middle East turmoil, as well as the rush to develop cheap shale oil resources using new “fracking” technologies. Investors in green energy are suddenly facing the prospect of bankruptcy as European governments are announcing that they are ending “Feed-In-Tariffs” (subsidies) for green energy projects.

More bad news for CA tax payers as CA Union Pension funds are heavily invested in Green energy.

CalPERS is apparently doing what Orange County did when it went bankrupt in 1994. It is rolling the dice with green energy bubble investments in the hopes of bailing out the huge deficit in the CalPERS pension system. Given the last two years performance, you might say that Tom Steyer and CalPERS are geniuses, and should replace Jerry Brown as governor.

But the problem with “bubble money” is that it is “easy come, easy go.” Like tulip bulb prices, investments in high-risk green power and manipulation of energy markets to reap unjust profits in conventional energy stocks, are prone to sudden collapse. And the market in green power is collapsing worldwide, possibly leaving California as the last holdout.

If green power collapses, California may be facing another energy crisis of how to pay off defunct green power projects in order to clean the air just as it did in 2001. Only in 2001, it was the unpaid bonds on old polluting power plants that had to be mothballed to clean the air that led to the California energy crisis. This time if green power collapses, the high stakes gamble to replenish the CalPERS pension fund may also fail.

http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/02/15/green-energy-reality-looming-for-ca/

JustRalph
02-17-2011, 12:31 AM
don't you have to stand up on your own (without government support) before you can "collapse" ?

delayjf
02-17-2011, 09:32 AM
Indeed

ArlJim78
02-17-2011, 10:14 AM
Windmills to the rescue!! oh wait, they're frozen solid you say?

Frozen windmills in Minnesota (http://venturebeat.com/2010/02/08/minnesotas-frozen-turbines-raise-new-doubts-about-wind-power/#)

Frozen windmills in New Brunswick (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Northern+Brunswick+wind+turbines+frozen+solid/4287063/story.html)

http://windconcernsontario.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/frozen_wind_turbine.jpg

i can only imagine the cost involved to repair these things. I would be surprised if it's not a total loss to the blades and power unit.

HUSKER55
02-17-2011, 11:19 AM
we have a bunch of them here and they never froze up. if you don't know how to prepare them for winter then the problem is yours and not the system.

the article said they were bought used from CA. Bad hydrolic fluid and improper installations, poor systems management.

what could go wrong with that

it is really surprising. you would think management up there would know better. I mean it is not like they haven't had to deal with the cold before.

think about it. when was the last time you seen a farmers windmill freeze up

principle is the same.

boxcar
02-17-2011, 12:16 PM
Windmills to the rescue!! oh wait, they're frozen solid you say?

Frozen windmills in Minnesota (http://venturebeat.com/2010/02/08/minnesotas-frozen-turbines-raise-new-doubts-about-wind-power/#)

Frozen windmills in New Brunswick (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Northern+Brunswick+wind+turbines+frozen+solid/4287063/story.html)

http://windconcernsontario.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/frozen_wind_turbine.jpg

i can only imagine the cost involved to repair these things. I would be surprised if it's not a total loss to the blades and power unit.

Darn Global Warming! :mad: :mad:

Boxcar

toetoe
02-17-2011, 10:04 PM
Hope this is related closely enough:

Here in Las Vegas the RTC (Regional Transportation Commission ?) is giving away 40 laptops --- purchased with Coca Cola's money, promotional consideration entailing --- to the students with the best stories of how they have ... [wait for it] ... cut down their carbon footprints. :bang: . Applicants send their essays to some Department of Public Instruction office or its equivalent ... of course. Now, the quid pro quo with Coca Cola is business as usual from way back, but this default position within the high school curriculum is crapola. :ThmbDown: .



Anyone available to give prizes to kids who can prove they conspicuously consume dirty energy ? I'd love to be a volunteer in such an effort. You know, kids, truck tires with some newspaper stuffed inside, along with a skoche of gasoline, make for a great bonfire and/or a very cool garbage-burning conflagration. :jump: .

ArlJim78
02-22-2011, 10:21 AM
"green" technology up in smoke.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Windmill-Fire.jpg

ArlJim78
02-22-2011, 12:22 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/22/panel-green-jobs-company-endorsed-by-obama-and-biden-squandered-535-million-in-stimulus-money/

Read the story at the link for another green jobs initiative debacle. $535 million given to a company owned by a big Obama/Biden supporter, was supposed to create thousands of jobs.

Instead they blew the money and are now laying off workers.

this is why you can't have government passing money around, trying to pick winners and losers. they have a habit of picking the losers.

JustRalph
02-22-2011, 01:01 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/22/panel-green-jobs-company-endorsed-by-obama-and-biden-squandered-535-million-in-stimulus-money/

Read the story at the link for another green jobs initiative debacle. $535 million given to a company owned by a big Obama/Biden supporter, was supposed to create thousands of jobs.

Instead they blew the money and are now laying off workers.

this is why you can't have government passing money around, trying to pick winners and losers. they have a habit of picking the losers.

If there was a market for it....... you wouldn't have to subsidize it. End of story. There are lots of people in the U.S. that just sit around waiting for the next marketable success and they throw money at good ideas. Only the Government throws money at "Green energy"

Robert Goren
02-22-2011, 01:12 PM
If there was a market for it....... you wouldn't have to subsidize it. End of story. There are lots of people in the U.S. that just sit around waiting for the next marketable success and they throw money at good ideas. Only the Government throws money at "Green energy"Then why does the government subsidize the oil industry?

boxcar
02-22-2011, 01:50 PM
Then why does the government subsidize the oil industry?

Maybe 'cause they can't drill cheaply where the oil is more easily accessible?

Boxcar