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lamboguy
02-06-2011, 09:45 AM
because of the dispute between sulfolk and the horsemen, more than likely simulcast signals will be blocked througout the state. also you will not be able to wager on your ADW on those signals that are blocked. from what i am told this includes tracks like gulstream and nyra.

slew101
02-06-2011, 11:20 AM
So if you have a Twinspires or TVG account, you're blocked on those tracks?

This is a reason to have an offshore account as a backup.

lamboguy
02-06-2011, 11:35 AM
mass racing is dead to begin with. the purses are $5600 there. there is no good horseman that can survive on that. the product stinks. is that a reason to give your money to an offshore? should you have to pay for a squabble that you have nothing to do with?

the real answer is to take the license away from sulfolk and the beef is dead. close the doors and don't come back.

if someone else wants to open up another horse track with a better game plan, let them. in the meantime don't give people ideas to bet horses ILLEGALLY out of the country. why force the citizens to be crooks.

DeanT
02-06-2011, 11:42 AM
Full story here

http://jessicachapel.com/2011/02/05/digging-in/

lamboguy
02-06-2011, 11:51 AM
all sulfolk has to do is hand in the license and close the doors. problem immediately solved. i am sure the guys at sulfolk would be better off not opening than opening. the money that they make from simulcasting doesn't cover enough for them. do every one a favor, CLOSE THE DOORS.

mabred
02-06-2011, 07:20 PM
Plainridge Harness will really benefit

1 800 win line here I come!!!

mabred

lamboguy
02-06-2011, 07:25 PM
Plainridge Harness will really benefit

1 800 win line here I come!!!

mabredTHEY ARE SHUTOFF AS WELL

mabred
02-06-2011, 08:14 PM
i was there today played all tracks!!!

Doesn't harness have dif rules.Raynham

has horses there to bet.Can they blackout

all venues..

mabred

lamboguy
02-06-2011, 08:52 PM
i was there today played all tracks!!!

Doesn't harness have dif rules.Raynham

has horses there to bet.Can they blackout

all venues..

mabredthe way the mass. law is written, raynham, plainridge and when wonderland was open, had to give 3% of all thoroughbred simulcast money to sulfolk. at one time when raynham and plainridge took sulfolk they paid 11% for that. this is supposedly going to start to take place tomorrow.

jelly
02-07-2011, 01:18 AM
New Hampshire,Rhode Island here I come.

highnote
02-07-2011, 10:58 PM
in the meantime don't give people ideas to bet horses ILLEGALLY out of the country. why force the citizens to be crooks.

Is it illegal to bet out of the country? I don't know any horseplayer who has been arrested for betting out of the country.

Does anyone know of anyone who has been arrested for betting from the U.S. on a horse out of the country?

mabred
02-08-2011, 10:05 AM
Hey are u positive nyra will pull all

Ma signals.I'll have to move my tack to

RI but that place is a DUMP and horseplayers

are second hand citizens for sure.They have

a smoking horseplayer room that is

lung cancer waiting to finish first..


mabred

Robert Goren
02-08-2011, 10:17 AM
Yet another case of the horseplayers getting caught in the middle of a dispute between the horsemen and a race track. Pox on both their houses.

slew101
02-08-2011, 11:54 AM
Nobody has ever been arrested in the US for betting offshore, either sports or horses. It's illegal to book bets, not make them.

There was a case a few years ago in North Dakota where a sports bettor was winning tons of money and having it deposited into his bank account. The bank alerted the Feds because of the large amounts of deposits he was making. They raided his home and seized his computer thinking he was dealing drugs. He was just a good sports/horse bettor.

Because they trashed his house, they had to charge him with something. So he was charged with simple gambling and paid like a $500 fine. But the fine was state-levied, not federal.

Is it illegal to bet out of the country? I don't know any horseplayer who has been arrested for betting out of the country.

Does anyone know of anyone who has been arrested for betting from the U.S. on a horse out of the country?

highnote
02-08-2011, 12:14 PM
Well, there you have it. If it is OK for tracks and horsemen to fight and shut out horseplayers then it is OK for horseplayers to bet offshore. I'm all for keeping betting money in the system to support U.S. tracks and horsemen. I understand the concept that horseplayers fund the purses. However, when businesses don't take care of their customers then it is time for customers to find businesses that appreciate their business. If an offshore book wants a horseplayer's business and the domestic businesses don't then I think it is perfectly acceptable for the horseplayer to take his/her business offshore.

Nobody has ever been arrested in the US for betting offshore, either sports or horses. It's illegal to book bets, not make them.

There was a case a few years ago in North Dakota where a sports bettor was winning tons of money and having it deposited into his bank account. The bank alerted the Feds because of the large amounts of deposits he was making. They raided his home and seized his computer thinking he was dealing drugs. He was just a good sports/horse bettor.

Because they trashed his house, they had to charge him with something. So he was charged with simple gambling and paid like a $500 fine. But the fine was state-levied, not federal.

lamboguy
02-08-2011, 12:44 PM
it is illegal to bet offshore. it is also ilegal to play poker online in places that are outside of the country. as of this date there are very few people that have been prosecuted by the feds for gambling offshore. it is a very gray area, but the laws are on the books and they can prosecute you and win by the letter of the law if they chose to do so. if i thought it was legal i would do so myself.

highnote
02-08-2011, 01:15 PM
Currently, I don't bet offshore, but I have never worried about being arrested. Andy Beyer and Barry Meadow shout from the rooftops that they bet with betting exchanges and they don't seem worried about being arrested. I attended a legal conference at Keeneland a couple of years ago and one attorney scoffed at the idea of any horseplayer being arrested. He said if the Justice Dept was really interested in enforcing the Wire Act they would. They will occasionally go after bookmakers, but not bettors.

Jaywalking is illegal, but how many people get arrested for it?

So who cares if it is illegal? It's kind of like Blue Laws. They're on the books, but no one pays attention to them.

So in the case of Massachusetts, it is perfectly reasonable that people should take their action offshore.

it is illegal to bet offshore. it is also ilegal to play poker online in places that are outside of the country. as of this date there are very few people that have been prosecuted by the feds for gambling offshore. it is a very gray area, but the laws are on the books and they can prosecute you and win by the letter of the law if they chose to do so. if i thought it was legal i would do so myself.

lamboguy
02-08-2011, 01:29 PM
i have licenses all over the country,if i get arrested for illegal gambling i lose my license simultaneously. to me its not worth the risk.

highnote
02-08-2011, 03:11 PM
I understand your position and I agree with you. Although, it's probably a misdemeanor to make bets. I don't know if you can lose your license over a misdemeanor, but no point in taking chances -- even the chance of being arrested is practically zero.

I don't bet offshore because I DO want to support the tracks and horsemen. The problem is the tracks and horsemen do not always reciprocate.

One of the reasons (and there many others) that I did not make a stronger attempt to start a betting exchange back in 1998 was because I knew that by taking bets on U.S. races that the money bet would not be returned to purses. Maybe I was too altruistic, but that's the way I roll.



i have licenses all over the country,if i get arrested for illegal gambling i lose my license simultaneously. to me its not worth the risk.

lamboguy
02-08-2011, 03:20 PM
its not a misdemeanor, its a crime. if by some longshot chance they want to prosecute you they can. it was semi-legal to do before the patriot and internet wagering acts. before those days it was legal on a federal basis, and could only be prosecuted by the state you live in if they chose to do it. the bookmakers that are accepting the wagers are licensed by the country they are operating out of. there are money tranfering statutes that they could be breaking the law with these days that i am not sure of.

my only sugestion is that if you don't have to deal offshore, stay away. its not worth the longshot that you do get in trouble.

slew101
02-08-2011, 04:02 PM
No one has ever been prosecuted by the feds for making a bet. The one case I mentioned is the only one documented, and the person wasn't prosecuted, he was fined.

[QUOTE=lamboguy]very few people that have been prosecuted by the feds for gambling offshore.

lamboguy
02-08-2011, 04:18 PM
No one has ever been prosecuted by the feds for making a bet. The one case I mentioned is the only one documented, and the person wasn't prosecuted, he was fined.

[QUOTE=lamboguy]very few people that have been prosecuted by the feds for gambling offshore.
there have been plenty of people prosecuted by the feds for interstate gambling back in the late 50's and early 60's under the keefhoffer act.

what is a fine?

Robert Goren
02-08-2011, 04:28 PM
As an Internet Poker Player, I can tell you that there are somethings to worry about gambling overseas, but for the most part they are minor right now. If we get an anti gambling administration in 2013, then things could change in a hurry. About the only time I believe a politician is when they say they are anti gambling.

Robert Goren
02-08-2011, 04:41 PM
There is a reason that a lot of major overseas gambling operations stopped taking US customers. I could be wrong I don't believe that any of those who stopped taking them have changed their policies and are now taking them. God, how I miss Party Poker.

slew101
02-08-2011, 04:46 PM
For every one that stopped, there are plenty who still do. Money processing issues are the biggest factor, and anyone associated with owning/operating an offshore book that takes US business, can never enter the US. They started busting people a few years ago and now nobody comes to the US. I think they have a list like they do for terror suspects.

Back to that ND bettor, he was charged with simple gambling and pled guilty and paid a fine. My point was he never faced jail time, and the case was just like anyone pleading guilty to a speeding ticket and paying a fine. He was a car salesman.

There is a reason that a lot of major overseas gambling operations stopped taking US customers. I could be wrong I don't believe that any of those who stopped taking them have changed their policies and are now taking them. God, how I miss Party Poker.

thelyingthief
02-09-2011, 03:26 AM
Why would a ban on simulcast to Suffolk affect the play of those betting through Churchill, etc? (ADW). The squabble is between Suffolk and horsemen, not the bettor and the horsemen.

tlt-

clockerwalker
02-09-2011, 07:30 PM
I played ny and gulf today with ts no problem.

I live in MA.

PaceAdvantage
02-10-2011, 04:09 AM
Andy Beyer and Barry Meadow shout from the rooftops that they bet with betting exchanges and they don't seem worried about being arrested.I know about Meadow since he has stated such both right here and in print, but I don't really recall ever reading Beyer state that he bets with exchanges, never mind shouting it from a rooftop. Maybe someone can further enlighten me on this...

highnote
02-10-2011, 05:02 AM
I know about Meadow since he has stated such both right here and in print, but I don't really recall ever reading Beyer state that he bets with exchanges, never mind shouting it from a rooftop. Maybe someone can further enlighten me on this...

He wrote about it in his Wash Post column to a world wide audience. Telling the world about it seems like a pretty loud statement.

Sorry if I my metaphor was too strong for your liking. Sheesh. :rolleyes: Can't a guy just write with a little flourish? :D

PaceAdvantage
02-10-2011, 05:18 AM
He wrote about it in his Wash Post column to a world wide audience. Telling the world about it seems like a pretty loud statement.

Sorry if I my metaphor was too strong for your liking. Sheesh. :rolleyes: Can't a guy just write with a little flourish? :DI don't quite get your reaction at the end there to my post, so I will simply ignore it for now.

As for this article that I suppose I either missed or forgot about, Beyer wrote that he personally wagers through a betting exchange?

Because that's what your post states unequivocally as fact.

highnote
02-10-2011, 05:30 AM
I don't quite get your reaction at the end there to my post, so I will simply ignore it for now.

It sounded to me like you were busting my balls for using the phrase "shouting it from the rooftop". It sounded as if you were saying I was wrong -- that they did not make that kind of a statement. Maybe I misunderstood you. Like you said - just ignore it. It's not a big deal.

As for this article that I suppose I either missed or forgot about, Beyer wrote that he personally wagers through a betting exchange?

Because that's what your post states unequivocally as fact.

Yes. Beyer actually wrote it. The article was memorable because my good friend tipped the horse to Beyer and to me. We thought it was interesting that he chose to write about it.

jnchapel
02-10-2011, 05:36 AM
I asked TS about the availability of the blocked signals to state residents and was told the dispute hasn't changed anything. "We will continue to offer wagering on these tracks to Massachusetts residents because the dispute does not involve us or our contracts," said a rep.

http://jessicachapel.com/2011/02/09/negotiations-to-resume/

DeanT
02-14-2011, 05:23 PM
More fun in MASS.

http://jessicachapel.com/2011/02/14/betting-elsewhere/

Good to see neighboring areas doing well :rolleyes:

slew101
02-15-2011, 12:18 AM
How long before the plug is completely pulled at Suffolk? Shutting off signals might seem to be a good idea to make a statement, but it's not. People will just go elsewhere, and many won't come back. This tactic might have worked 15 years ago but today, there are too many options to place a bet.

More fun in MASS.

http://jessicachapel.com/2011/02/14/betting-elsewhere/

Good to see neighboring areas doing well :rolleyes:

JustRalph
02-15-2011, 01:40 AM
I move that Slew get rid of that J Aniston Avatar..... I can't read a damn thing in any thread that thing appears in. It keeps drawing my eye away.....

Any 2nds?

mannyberrios
02-15-2011, 07:12 AM
I move that Slew get rid of that J Aniston Avatar..... I can't read a damn thing in any thread that thing appears in. It keeps drawing my eye away.....

Any 2nds?I like the iPad better

BombsAway Bob
02-16-2011, 01:00 AM
Suffolk asks nice...
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/61368/suffolk-asks-to-restore-simulcast-signal?source=rss
the line that most bothered me most might have been the last:
Chip Tuttle:"..we remain open to any discussions that would give your members additional opportunities to race locally, especially if such opportunities could offset our current schedule and reduce the duration of keeping our barn area and training facilities open.”
Just WHERE are horses going to barn and train???

Read more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/61368/suffolk-asks-to-restore-simulcast-signal#ixzz1E6BqEH1Q

lamboguy
02-20-2011, 12:08 PM
i guess that tvg is not accepting mass. residents while this dispute is going on. i think that has something to do with their exclusive on the product.

jnchapel
02-25-2011, 07:15 AM
Sounds as though signals won't be coming back this weekend -- I was told last night that the horsemen rejected Suffolk's offer.

http://jessicachapel.com/2011/02/25/what-next/

Pcon04
02-25-2011, 07:06 PM
I feel badly that horse racing is on the ropes in Ma

But as a bettor both Plainridge and Raynham

still have betting and they are doing real well.Suffolk only wants that elusive

casino license if its voted in this year or next...

That may or may not happen!The feuding

parties will go broke.Somebodyhas to give in!!!

pcon

lamboguy
02-25-2011, 07:13 PM
I feel badly that horse racing is on the ropes in Ma

But as a bettor both Plainridge and Raynham

still have betting and they are doing real well.Suffolk only wants that elusive

casino license if its voted in this year or next...

That may or may not happen!The feuding

parties will go broke.Somebodyhas to give in!!!

pconthe way the casino deal has been structured, sufolk don't need to run horses to get machines. they have classified sulfolk differently than plainridge and raynham. if they needed to have horses you wouldn't see this problem.