Suffolk to Horsemen: Good luck and God Bless Them

[The_Knight_Sky]

'Militant' Horsemen Eye Suffolk Alternative (http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/61097/militant-horsemen-eye-suffolk-alternative) by Lynne Snierson

“There is a real issue if we are going to run live at Suffolk Downs,” said Frank Frisoli, legal counsel for the New England HBPA. “I am talking with other concerns. We are exploring all alternatives, and we ought to partner with some of the other groups who want to develop a racetrack and casino in another part of the state.

“If Suffolk Downs doesn’t want to work with us, we’ll find someone else that does. There is no reason we have to have live racing at Suffolk Downs.”

Chip Tuttle, chief executive officer of the East Boston racetrack, said: “Good luck to them and God bless them.”

“There is no incentive for the breeding program to race a shorter meet of 67 to 76 days, which is what the track proposed. Suffolk (management) can recognize that we’re a partnership, or they can continue to stick their head in the sand.”

[lamboguy]

sulfolk don't care about live racing, they are going to get their slots without it, and would love to see it get eliminated.

my opinion is that these guys that think they knew how to run a racetrack and have failed miserbly at it and got bailed out with slots, are going to blow that up to. these guys are all morans, they will be just as stupid running slot machines.

[DJofSD]

Looks like slots are their golden parachutes.

[Mineshaft]

i thought they didnt get slots....

[lamboguy]

they didn't get them yet, but when they make lots legal they are going to get "casino status" so they won't have to run racing there. and they are going to get slots for sure.

[Robert Goren]

It really hard to work much sympathy for the horsemen. Almost everything that is wrong with racing was once the brain child of some horseman somewhere. Whether it be drugged horses or higher takeouts for better purses. Even the idea of turning race tracks into racinos came from horsemen. The two things which have done the most for the better, Simulcasting and later internet betting have been fought tooth and nail by the horsemen groups. They are now getting what they have sown.

[nearco]

It really hard to work much sympathy for the horsemen. Almost everything that is wrong with racing was once the brain child of some horseman somewhere. Whether it be drugged horses or higher takeouts for better purses. Even the idea of turning race tracks into racinos came from horsemen. The two things which have done the most for the better, Simulcasting and later internet betting have been fought tooth and nail by the horsemen groups. They are now getting what they have sown.

:ThmbUp:
Greatest post ever on this forum.
They have way too much power, and live in their own fantasy world. There needs to be a centralised authority running racing like a benevolent dictatorship, acting for the good of the sport, not the good of horsemen.

[mabred]

how do u spell northampton fair !!

no ones gonna build a new track in today's economy.

Suffolk has plans for a casino not the other thing.
They need the land that the horsemen takeup
for parking and a way into the casino from the blue line.
Racing in MA is DOA

can't wait to see this play out!!

mabred

[lamboguy]

robert, we are a society that is full of laws. some people follow the law, others try to break them. its like that in every faccet in this country. the drugs that horsemen use are in most cases allowed in the body
of laws that we have here.

i recently had a horse that won by a much better than usual for me trainer. when i started with the guy i asked to use my own blacksmith, vet and exercise rider. he allowed me all except for vet.

here is my race prep bill from a top vet in philly park:

ADEQUAN IM-----------75.00

LEGEND IV-------------85.00

BUTE INJ--------------15.00

AZIUM INJ------------20.00

ROBINUL INJ----------20.00

KENTUCKY RED INJ----28.00

LASIX INJ------------20.00

ESTRONE INJ---------28.00

______________________________

TOTAL BILL $291.00


this is all for race prep from what i am told is a top vet. the horse is a walking pharmacy. on all the horses that i send to the track when i am behind the training, i never use anything the very first time they run, if i use anything at all after first out its lasix.
how can any living human afford to pre-race a horse with all these stupid meaningless drugs. my horse happened to win by about 12 lengths. i win other races by 3 or 4 lenghts without these drugs.

personally i think all the above drugs are ruining the game, its no longer a training game, its a vet game. when you look at the game now horses that are 2 year olds hardly run more than 4 races at that age. when they become 3 they might have another 3 or 4 races in them by the end of april. those are the things wrong with the game, veteranariens are developing horses, not normal training are racing procedures. fans are sick of watching synthetic type racing where the horses are all drugged up and rarely make it into age 4.
i can look back and honestly say that most of the horses i have last past 4, and perform better. your top trainers today have a problem with that, their horses regress. ZENYATTA was a basic miracle in this world today, she got better at age 6. i highly doubt that that trainer used all these things in his horse for race prep during her 20 race career. he kept her in training and helped her develop into a star. john sherrifs knew right from the hop that he did not have a horse that would be ready to run at 2, he had plenty of patience and he got rewarded.

[jelly]

i thought they didnt get slots....



The sticking point-

Deleo wants slots at all racetracks only,the Gov will agree to limited slots with OPEN bidding,not for tracks only.

Both agree on Three casinos.



http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1313379

[Mineshaft]

I know down here if they get slots they have to run a horse meet.

So it sounds like if they get slots they dont have to have a horse meet?

[Tom]

Don't they run their horses at Suffolk because that is about the only cheap place they can?

Hey, let them move to Delaware - we get bigger fields, they get less checks.
Tough.

Life goes on.

[lamboguy]

I know down here if they get slots they have to run a horse meet.

So it sounds like if they get slots they dont have to have a horse meet?
that's what it looks like in mass. the louisiana breeding program is the top in the country now, horseracing is much more popular in louisiana as well. when this whole deal with casino's and slots started racing and breeding was always workded into the equasion. now the casino's have influenced CHANGE. so as we can see, slot machines are the ruination and not the salvation of the game. once they get their feet into the game, the casino's are all going to try to get rid of racing along with the politions. we can only thank the racetrack operators and the horsemen for this.

[Mineshaft]

that's what it looks like in mass. the louisiana breeding program is the top in the country now, horseracing is much more popular in louisiana as well. when this whole deal with casino's and slots started racing and breeding was always workded into the equasion. now the casino's have influenced CHANGE. so as we can see, slot machines are the ruination and not the salvation of the game. once they get their feet into the game, the casino's are all going to try to get rid of racing along with the politions. we can only thank the racetrack operators and the horsemen for this.





i see now. Good thing about down here is they cant get rid of the racing. No racing no slots down here.

[Zman179]

It really hard to work much sympathy for the horsemen. Almost everything that is wrong with racing was once the brain child of some horseman somewhere. Whether it be drugged horses or higher takeouts for better purses. Even the idea of turning race tracks into racinos came from horsemen. The two things which have done the most for the better, Simulcasting and later internet betting have been fought tooth and nail by the horsemen groups. They are now getting what they have sown.

Have the horsemen EVER done something that wasn't solely in their best interest? I have zero sympathy for them.

[Stillriledup]

Have the horsemen EVER done something that wasn't solely in their best interest? I have zero sympathy for them.

1,000% agree.

Those little men and silver haired foxes are driving around in very nice cars, living in very nice houses and cuddling up to attractive women at night. All on the backs of the horseplayer. Oh, Baffert and Pletcher need a new car? Just raise the takeout (purses go up, trainers share gets bigger) and let the 'idiot bettors' pay for it.

And, get this, we will even gas it up for you along the way! HI TEST!

[Zman179]

1,000% agree.

Those little midgets and silver haired foxes are driving around in very nice cars, living in very nice houses and cuddling up to attractive women at night. All on the backs of the horseplayer. Oh, Baffert and Pletcher need a new car? Just raise the takeout (purses go up, trainers share gets bigger) and let the 'idiot bettors' pay for it.

And, get this, we will even gas it up for you along the way! HI TEST!

"If you bet on horses, I would call you an idiot." - Jeff Mullins

[fmolf]

"If you bet on horses, I would call you an idiot." - Jeff Mullins
what he meant to say was"if you bet on horses without a masters in pharmacology , I would call you an idiot."

[GatetoWire]

robert, we are a society that is full of laws. some people follow the law, others try to break them. its like that in every faccet in this country. the drugs that horsemen use are in most cases allowed in the body
of laws that we have here.

i recently had a horse that won by a much better than usual for me trainer. when i started with the guy i asked to use my own blacksmith, vet and exercise rider. he allowed me all except for vet.

here is my race prep bill from a top vet in philly park:

ADEQUAN IM-----------75.00

LEGEND IV-------------85.00

BUTE INJ--------------15.00

AZIUM INJ------------20.00

ROBINUL INJ----------20.00

KENTUCKY RED INJ----28.00

LASIX INJ------------20.00

ESTRONE INJ---------28.00

______________________________

TOTAL BILL $291.00


this is all for race prep from what i am told is a top vet. the horse is a walking pharmacy. on all the horses that i send to the track when i am behind the training, i never use anything the very first time they run, if i use anything at all after first out its lasix.
how can any living human afford to pre-race a horse with all these stupid meaningless drugs. my horse happened to win by about 12 lengths. i win other races by 3 or 4 lenghts without these drugs.

personally i think all the above drugs are ruining the game, its no longer a training game, its a vet game. when you look at the game now horses that are 2 year olds hardly run more than 4 races at that age. when they become 3 they might have another 3 or 4 races in them by the end of april. those are the things wrong with the game, veteranariens are developing horses, not normal training are racing procedures. fans are sick of watching synthetic type racing where the horses are all drugged up and rarely make it into age 4.
i can look back and honestly say that most of the horses i have last past 4, and perform better. your top trainers today have a problem with that, their horses regress. ZENYATTA was a basic miracle in this world today, she got better at age 6. i highly doubt that that trainer used all these things in his horse for race prep during her 20 race career. he kept her in training and helped her develop into a star. john sherrifs knew right from the hop that he did not have a horse that would be ready to run at 2, he had plenty of patience and he got rewarded.

Hey Lambo.....don't forget about all the Ventipulmin that your horse is on in-between races....that stuff costs big bucks too!!!

[Track Collector]

how do u spell northampton fair !!

no ones gonna build a new track in today's economy.

As much as I would like to see this, it has almost 0% chance of happening. The Northampton Fair Board is waiting on the release of grant money (I think around $40MD) to re-develop the fairgrounds. The master plan shows removal of the racetrack.

Brockton and Great Barrington still have tracks (the latter facility in need of great repair). Can not see them either as a medium-term solution due to traffic and parking limitations. Also, Brockton by law I think still has to pay Suffolk 3% on the total handle, both live and simulcast. Brockton and Suffolk have not been the best of friends over the years too. Finally, pretty tight turns with 1/2 mile "fair" ovals.

[lamboguy]

i was at the brockton fair the last time they had horse racing there. a matter of fact the night before they had racing they were short a jockey otherwise they would not be able to race. i found a jockey that was in jail that was there for being behind on his child support payments. at 4:00 a.m. i went 100 miles to the jail and the guy wasn't there, he got transfered the day before to a different place that was 50 miles away. i went to the other jail, came up with the money that he was in arrears and bail money and still wouldn't let him out. i called george carney and woke him up, he then called the governor and the governor called the jail, and they let him go. i brought the rider from the jail directly to the track.

the carney's ran the full meet that lasted about 5 weeks and lost alot of money with it.