Malkin and the hate from the left

[JustRalph]

Malkin pulls no punches when it comes to left wing hate

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/


Some of this stuff was new to me........ interesting

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[redshift1]

She's very popular, even her phone number and address are posted on the internet.

Friends call her all the time.

She's very popular.

[Tom]

Is it a 900 number?

[boxcar]

Malkin pulls no punches when it comes to left wing hate

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/


Some of this stuff was new to me........ interesting

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It's more than merely "interesting" -- it's frightening.

But you just have to admire this woman. She's extremely courageous, as she has to know that her life is now in danger 24/7 due to the Left's non-stop feeding frenzy on hate. The Left makes sharks in chum-filled waters look tame by comparison.

Boxcar

[redshift1]

It's more than merely "interesting" -- it's frightening.

But you just have to admire this woman. She's extremely courageous, as she has to know that her life is now in danger 24/7 due to the Left's non-stop feeding frenzy on hate. The Left makes sharks in chum-filled waters look tame by comparison.

Boxcar


Known globally as a humanitarian she advocates commune style living for various ethnic groups where health care, lodging and food are provided by the government.

Is often mentioned as a possible ambassador to Japan where she is held in high esteem by the Japanese people for her untiring efforts on their behalf.

[boxcar]

Known globally as a humanitarian she advocates commune style living for various ethnic groups where health care, lodging and food are provided by the government.

Is often mentioned as a possible ambassador to Japan where she is held in high esteem by the Japanese people for her untiring efforts on their behalf.

Regardless...she has mucho courage to take on the whackjobs on the Left by pointing out their mind-boggling hypocrisy.

By the way, I wasn't aware the Japanese are an oppressed people -- unless tight living quarters count. :D What's going on over there in the Land of the Rising Sun?

Boxcar

[Spiderman]

Where does hate and vitriol come from:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?src=un&feedurl=http://json8.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.jsonp

Excerpt: Where’s that toxic rhetoric coming from? Let’s not make a false pretense of balance: it’s coming, overwhelmingly, from the right. It’s hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be “armed and dangerous” without being ostracized; but Representative Michele Bachmann, who did just that, is a rising star in the G.O.P.

Excerpt: And there’s a huge contrast in the media. Listen to Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, and you’ll hear a lot of caustic remarks and mockery aimed at Republicans. But you won’t hear jokes about shooting government officials or beheading a journalist at The Washington Post. Listen to Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly, and you will.

Excerpt: Unfortunately, that hasn’t been happening: the purveyors of hate have been treated with respect, even deference, by the G.O.P. establishment. As David Frum, the former Bush speechwriter, has put it, “Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we’re discovering we work for Fox.”

Excerpt: So will the Arizona massacre make our discourse less toxic? It’s really up to G.O.P. leaders. Will they accept the reality of what’s happening to America, and take a stand against eliminationist rhetoric? Or will they try to dismiss the massacre as the mere act of a deranged individual, and go on as before?

If Arizona promotes some real soul-searching, it could prove a turning point. If it doesn’t, Saturday’s atrocity will be just the beginning.

[JustRalph]

Known globally as a humanitarian she advocates commune style living for various ethnic groups where health care, lodging and food are provided by the government.

Is often mentioned as a possible ambassador to Japan where she is held in high esteem by the Japanese people for her untiring efforts on their behalf.

you are a real comedian

[bigmack]

Much of this current level of nonsense has been caused by this partisan Sheriff of Pima Cty. After his comments, Olbermann & Co moved into hyper-mode and it's been spiraling ever since. Ironic they continue to say "While there is no evidence of any connection "thusfar" between the killer and heated rhetoric, it might be a good time to address it."

They want there to be a connection SO bad they can taste it. Too bad volumes of clues lead in another direction. Imagine their disappointment. :(

[boxcar]

Much of this current level of nonsense has been caused by this partisan Sheriff of Pima Cty. After his comments, Olbermann & Co moved into hyper-mode and it's been spiraling ever since. Ironic they continue to say "While there is no evidence of any connection "thusfar" between the killer and heated rhetoric, it might be a good time to address it."

They want there to be a connection SO bad they can taste it. Too bad volumes of clues lead in another direction. Imagine their disappointment. :(

The sheriff admitted outright to Megan Kelly on Fox that he was spouting his "opinion -- period".

The Left could care less about the actual events or the victims or the survivors. In fact, I believe they salivate and wring their hands over such incidents in eager anticipation of making political hay out of it. Recall that scientist or professor or whatever who lamented the lack of natural disasters a couple of years ago because he was wishing for a bunch of them so that global warming could be "proved"? This is precisely who and what the Left is.

Boxcar

[bigmack]

The sheriff admitted outright to Megan Kelly on Fox that he was spouting his "opinion -- period".
Later yesterday he said "not in anyway, shape or form." This guy then went on to yap about Sharron Angle. :eek:

This is a Sheriff? Sounds like he's running to be a regular guest on Maddow or KO & he's the lead agency behind The Feds? :D

wJlJmtqPVK0

[boxcar]

This sheriff definitely has a political agenda. That places him right down with the degenerates in the LameStream media.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

He doesn't care about his job anymore. He is in his final years and is getting his 15 min of fame out of this. That is sad. But typical of the beast

[NJ Stinks]

Malkin pulls no punches when it comes to left wing hate

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/


Some of this stuff was new to me........ interesting

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Malkin is a hatemonger. Period.

The article reproduces garbage. It's Malkin at her best. :rolleyes:

[highnote]

Malkin pulls no punches when it comes to left wing hate

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/


Some of this stuff was new to me........ interesting

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These sorts of things are disappointing. Not unprecedented, but disappointing, nonetheless.

Have you ever read the comments that are posted on Yahoo to some of the stories? Very disturbing.

I don't know if it helps anything by Malkin posting these. But maybe it's important to see for people to see. However, reading the article makes it seem as if everyone who leans Left would approve of these. And that is just not the case.

I've seen the same kind of disturbing posts from the Right, but I do not paint every Right-winger with the same broad brush.

This is where I think politicians and media are to blame -- and citizens, too.

Personally, I'd rather see a politician point out what is good and be an example of what is good rather than show and tell what is wrong with the opposition. But that's not the way things seem to work these days.

[boxcar]

Malkin is a hatemonger. Period.

The article reproduces garbage. It's Malkin at her best. :rolleyes:

I could understand why you would equate unflattering facts with garbage.

The Left, however, thrives on hate. The only ones who can't see it are those who swim in its pool. Hate to the Left is a natural to them as water is to fish.

Boxcar

[NJ Stinks]

I could understand why you would equate unflattering facts with garbage.

The Left, however, thrives on hate. The only ones who can't see it are those who swim in its pool. Hate to the Left is a natural to them as water is to fish.

Boxcar

You must be an avid fan of Michelle's. :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

You must be an avid fan of Michelle's. :rolleyes:

I am indeed. She continually affirms for me what I know about the Left.

Boxcar

[Rookies]

I am indeed. She continually affirms for me what I know about the Left.

Boxcar

The usual back clapping, glad handing, self affirmation of obsessed opinion and divine ignorance. :sleeping: Carry on, Monsieur Troglodyte.

[boxcar]

The usual back clapping, glad handing, self affirmation of obsessed opinion and divine ignorance. :sleeping: Carry on, Monsieur Troglodyte.

I see you're competing with The Trotter for a drive-by award, are you? Must be a Canadian thing, eh? :rolleyes:

Yeah...I applaud her because I certainly can't applaud the leftist media. You won't see the facts she presented in print in the NY Slimes, or the Washington [Com]Post or any other birdcage-lining material. Not one of you empty suit leftists have refuted anything she has said. So, yeah...you carry on, as well. However, your claptrap will only find an admiring, fawning, panting, salivating audience on the DU, Daily KOS, and other similar Marxist-leaning sites.

Boxcar

[Rookies]

I see you're competing with The Trotter for a drive-by award, are you? Must be a Canadian thing, eh? :rolleyes:

So, yeah...you carry on, as well. However, your claptrap will only find an admiring, fawning, panting, salivating audience on the DU, Daily KOS, and other similar Marxist-leaning sites.

Boxcar

J's a good guy; but that's defacto for being a Canuck.;)

I never, ever visit left wing sites, including those you've specifically mentioned. Who needs the type of constant affirmation and lickshpittling you so desperately appear to seek ? :lol:

Besides, there's so much more personal pleasure countering you here, Box!:D

[senortout]

Boxcar, you have yet again demonstrated that the type of behavior which you supposedly abhor is most evident within your own proclivities!

senortout

[delayjf]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks
Malkin is a hatemonger. Period.

The article reproduces garbage. It's Malkin at her best.

If it's garbage then it should be no problem to refute. Show us where what she printed in the article is false - otherwise your accusation is garbage.

[redshift1]

If it's garbage then it should be no problem to refute. Show us where what she printed in the article is false - otherwise your accusation is garbage.

MM is well known as a fringe ideologue. Read any of her pseudo-scholarly political books, they are filled with innuendo and half truths which pander to a highly specific audience. Her books are not peer reviewed for a reason. I can assure you that peer review is essential for a book to be accepted as fulfilling certain critical standards.

She just a practitioner of political porn who has tapped into the money stream of divisive politics.

she will of course accept donations

[bigmack]

MM is well known as a fringe ideologue.
Fascinating, your take on Malkin. How about having something to say about the plethora of hateful vid's & images in the initial post?

[JustRalph]

If it's garbage then it should be no problem to refute. Show us where what she printed in the article is false - otherwise your accusation is garbage.

now we are getting to the meat of the puzzle.

The left started down this road about ten minutes after that Congress Lady took a bullet. It is a cheap way to try and score political points.

The problem with jumping the gun so early is the perpetrator wasn't what they were hoping for. They were so sure he was going to be a crazed right winger that they jumped the gun and now look like fools.

The whole damn country now knows that this kid was a mentally disturbed anomaly. Not a political crusader of any type. The left has shot its proverbial propaganda wad and the American people will see through it easily, and have.

Next time they find some reason to blame the "right wing" for something, they should have a better case. Once again that "vast right wing" is vindicated and the Clarion Call of the obsessed left goes unheeded and reveals nothing but the fallacy of left's outrage.

Business as usual........

[redshift1]

Fascinating, your take on Malkin. How about having something to say about the plethora of hateful vid's & images in the initial post?


MM at her factual best

Expand the text for complete report

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/bos-private-plane/

[delayjf]

So, by your own admissioin the hateful retoric of the left that she posted is factual - that's what I thought. Attack the messenger ignore the msg.

MM disagrees with the left and loves to get in their face - and the left can't take it.

[ArlJim78]

"I have a Glock 9mm and I'm a pretty good shot."
Gabrielle Giffords (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/us-politics/8249256/Gabrielle-Giffords-profile-of-the-Congresswoman-fighting-for-her-life.html)

Just to be clear, I think the only person responsible for the horrific events in Tucson is the deranged kid that did the shooting. I also think that Giffords is a model citizen and an excellent representative for her district.

But I'm just wondering if the lunatic left and their scumbag media lapdogs will cite the above quote from Giffords as an example of hateful rhetoric, the kind of rhetoric that leads to this kind of shooting? Will they go after her now, will they blame her for inciting violence?

Surely if a poster with crosshairs on Sarah Palins facebook page is to be condemned, then how about the words of the congresswoman herself?

What say you Olby, Krugman, Clyburn, hmmm?

[boxcar]

Besides, there's so much more personal pleasure countering you here, Box!:D

You haven't even come close. In fact, to show you how self-deceived you are in this respect, your focus on me is entirely misplaced in the first place; for you should be busy countering Malkin's article, instead, and defending the Left. But because there is no viable defense, you attack the Right. But I can make some sense out of the absurd in this case; for it demonstrates, what I have long known, that Liberalism is truly a mental disease of pandemic proportions that has no respect for international borders. :D

Boxcar

[BlueShoe]

You must be an avid fan of Michelle's. :rolleyes:
There are actually three Michelles in the public spotlight; Malkin, Bachmann, and Obama. Two of them I like very much, the third not at all. The one that said that she was not proud to be an American.

[Rookies]

Right back at you Boxcar with a pronouncement from one of Canada's largest Con Newspapers and its' ( late from the Bush White House) correspondent, David Frum.

Mr Frum opines about the Girl Blunder and I agree with his sentiment:

"Then, as Palin came under a barrage of criticism, her supporters stepped forward to offer defenses. The gunsights were not really gunsights. The criticism of Palin was unfair, even “obscene.”

And of course, they had a point. Obviously, Palin never intended to summon people to harm Representative Giffords. There was no evidence that the shooter was a Palin follower, and in short order it became evident that he was actuated by a serious mental illness. Whatever you think about Palin’s “don’t retreat, reload” rhetoric, it could not be blamed for this crime.

So – argument won? No. Argument lost.

Palin failed to appreciate the question being posed to her. That question was not: “Are you culpable for the shooting?” The question was: “Having put this unfortunate image on the record, can you respond to the shooting in a way that demonstrates your larger humanity? And possibly also your potential to serve as leader of the entire nation?”

Here it seems to me are the elements of such an answer.

1) Take the accusation seriously. That does not mean you accept the accusation, nor even that you explicitly acknowledge it. But understand why people – not all of them necessarily out to get you – might feel negatively about this past action in light of current events.

2) Express real grief and sincere compassion. “My condolences are offered” is not the language of someone whose heart is much troubled.



Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/01/10/david-frum-what-sarah-palin-should-have-said-about-tucson-shooting/#ixzz1Am3E2c42

[NJ Stinks]

now we are getting to the meat of the puzzle.

The left started down this road about ten minutes after that Congress Lady took a bullet. It is a cheap way to try and score political points.

The problem with jumping the gun so early is the perpetrator wasn't what they were hoping for. They were so sure he was going to be a crazed right winger that they jumped the gun and now look like fools.

The whole damn country now knows that this kid was a mentally disturbed anomaly. Not a political crusader of any type. The left has shot its proverbial propaganda wad and the American people will see through it easily, and have.

Next time they find some reason to blame the "right wing" for something, they should have a better case. Once again that "vast right wing" is vindicated and the Clarion Call of the obsessed left goes unheeded and reveals nothing but the fallacy of left's outrage.

Business as usual........

Ralph, one of us can't see the forest for the trees.

It was the Congresswoman herself who pointed the finger at Palin long before she was shot. Suggesting the left (or the left wing media) could ignore this connection now is laughable. And it was the Congresswoman's father himself who pointed a finger at the Tea Party when asked if his daughter had any enemies.

So tell us again about the left "jumping the gun", Ralph. And while you are it, tell us why you think Gabreille Giffords's father was just using "a cheap way to try and score political points" after his daughter was shot.

"Now we are getting to the meat of the puzzle." Sure. Whatever you say, Ralph. :rolleyes:



__________________________________________________ _

8:56PM GMT 08 Jan 2011

Miss Giffords, a Democrat congresswoman, was shot in the head during a public meeting in Tucson, Arizona.

A lone gunman, described by witnesses as being a white man in his late teens or early twenties, fired into a crowd gathered for a "Congress in your Corner" event outside a supermarket.


Her father Spencer Giffords, 75, wept when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies.


"Yeah," he told The New York Post. "The whole tea party."


Miss Giffords had been named in March as a political campaign target for conservatives in November’s elections by former Alaska governor Sarah Palin for her strong support for the health reforms of President Barack Obama.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/us-politics/8248399/Gabrielle-Giffords-father-The-whole-Tea-Party-were-her-enemies.html
_______________________________________

[bigmack]

At last we've got the BigBrains workin' overtime on the PalinChart Caper. Stinky & Rookie.

Then again, they have nothing to say about this chart or how any of this has to do with the shootings.

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/demmap.jpg

[toetoe]

Malkin is a hatemonger. Period.






Whew. What a relief to know the truth. I read it here on the Internet, after all.



"Period ... end of story ... let there be no doubt ... none would disagree ... let me be clear ... no sane person could dispute ... as all can see ..." :sleeping: .

Can you please give me a one-sentence description of Mein Oberfuhrer ... period; end of story ? Let me try this:


Rachel Madcow: Lesbonic misanthrope. End of story.

Wanda Sikes: tragedian. It's a well known fact.

Alec Baldwin: intolerant chewer of scenery. There is no doubt.

Michael Moore: Michelin Man. I read it online.



Say, I like this. It's simple, and it's very informative for morons like me. I hope I'm not infringing on any copyrights. Thanks, NJS. :jump:

[delayjf]

Malkin is a hatemonger. Period.

The left thinks anyone that disagrees with them are hatemongers.

[Rookies]

At last we've got the BigBrains workin' overtime on the PalinChart Caper. Stinky & Rookie.

Then again, they have nothing to say about this chart or how any of this has to do with the shootings.



For the small brain member here, let me quote Giffords' herself again and the quiet, respectful way she has been treated by the right and the Tea Party:

“She was extremely concerned about it,” said Thomas Warne, a friend and fund-raiser. “She was concerned about various threats that the office had received: they were general threats on the office itself, on her life.”

There have been no arrests related to the attack on her district office, said Sgt. Diana Lopez of the Tucson Police Department. It came after months in which Ms. Giffords, like other Democrats, found herself being battered at loud town hall meetings on health care. At one of her public meetings on health care, a man with a gun showed up. “There was a sense, even in ’09, that there was a real anger in the district,” Mr. McLeod said.

And in an interview with MSNBC the day after the attack, Ms. Giffords said: “We’ve had hundreds and hundreds of protesters over the last several months. Our office corner has become a place where the Tea Party movement (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/t/tea_party_movement/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) congregates and the rhetoric is incredibly heated, not just the calls but the e-mails, the slurs.”

More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11district.html?_r=1&ref=politics

For Giffords, this was not an aimless, non specific threat. It apparently was a sustained campaign of intimidation, where her loon, Tea Party electoral opponent suggested a "targeting victory" , where everyone could come by and have some fun and games, M-16 shootout.

The tone of violence was everywhere for her and she commented directly about her direct concern about it! Did it influence an unbalanced Loughner who apparently took a dim view of illegal immigrants and their (to him) inability to speak proper English? Unknown at this time.

[boxcar]

Right back at you Boxcar with a pronouncement from one of Canada's largest Con Newspapers and its' ( late from the Bush White House) correspondent, David Frum.

Mr Frum opines about the Girl Blunder and I agree with his sentiment:

[left][color=#000000]"Then, as Palin came under a barrage of criticism, her supporters stepped forward to offer defenses. The gunsights were not really gunsights. The criticism of Palin was unfair, even “obscene.”

And of course, they had a point. Obviously, Palin never intended to summon people to harm Representative Giffords. There was no evidence that the shooter was a Palin follower, and in short order it became evident that he was actuated by a serious mental illness. Whatever you think about Palin’s “don’t retreat, reload” rhetoric, it could not be blamed for this crime.

So – argument won? No. Argument lost.

You are truly pathetic. You and other leftists truly remind me of another group of people in biblical times. These were of the political-religious party known as the Pharisees. I could easily draw several good parallels between liberals in this age and these Pharisees in Jesus' day.

The Pharisees were a particularly vile and obnoxious group. Shortly after Jesus began his public ministry (which they soon construed as a genuine threat to their power over the people, incidentally) they became consumed with getting him. Night and day they plotted, planned and schemed on ways to trick him, trip him up, to get him to contradict himself, etc. Their attacks on him were non-stop. And the more Jesus soundly refuted them and the more miracles he performed -- the more signs and wonders he performed in the sight of all -- the more he started to gain popular support -- they only intensified their efforts and did not become deterred or discouraged. They were like committed Marxists, in a very real sense. They had a singular purpose in life and they were hell-bent on executing it. Why? What motivated their relentless attacks against their Messiah? Very simple answer to this: Their hatred for Him. But they finally "won" their battle against him, didn't they? They had no legitimate charges to bring against him, so they just manufactured one. And they literally coerced Pilate via a political threat, to go along with them. So, he did. And he executed not only an innocent man but a righteous one! So, yes...the Pharisees "won" the battle against him, but at the expense of losing the war!

Likewise, like a Pharisee, you are committed to finding Palin guilty of something. You and your ilk have to find a way to trip her up. You need to trick her in some way. You weren't successful in finding anything to pin on her with regards to this tragedy, so now the liberal goons are sent out with Compassion Meters to try to determine her level of true compassion for the victims.

Be sure to get back to me when she's arrested and charged with Gross
Mercilessness or Indifference. When found guilty by a hand-picked jury consisting only of liberals, I'm sure you'd be the first to volunteer to pull the hood over her head, then slip the noose around her neck and finally to pull the lever. But even then....the Left's hatred for all that is good and decent won't be satisfied.

Boxcar

[bigmack]

Unknown at this time.
Still no comment on other charts from you. Weird.

After her office window was smashed Rep. Gabrielle Giffords boasted in an interview last year: "I have a Glock 9 millimeter and I'm a pretty good shot."

Looks like she was completely petrified. :(

You are you comrades are rewriting history again.

[skate]

Malkin is one of the TOP three thinkers...lately...yep:)

[Rookies]

Still no comment on other charts from you. Weird.

After her office window was smashed Rep. Gabrielle Giffords boasted in an interview last year: "I have a Glock 9 millimeter and I'm a pretty good shot."

Looks like she was completely petrified. :(

You are you comrades are rewriting history again.

Au contraire, it is the right that is trying to engage in revisionist history about the personal threats of violence and climate of sustained intimidation. I think that I'll go with the direct views of the individual who now lies in peril of her life, who described her fears for self, staff and family and eerily foresaw directly the effects of that horrible climate!

On all of these attempts to thwart democracy by going well beyond simple protest, I have said my piece. It is wrong and needs to be completely 180 degrees toned down and turned over.

[NJ Stinks]

Whew. What a relief to know the truth. I read it here on the Internet, after all.



"Period ... end of story ... let there be no doubt ... none would disagree ... let me be clear ... no sane person could dispute ... as all can see ..." :sleeping: .



Agreed. It was over-the-top to use the word 'period'.

[NJ Stinks]

At last we've got the BigBrains workin' overtime on the PalinChart Caper. Stinky & Rookie.

Then again, they have nothing to say about this chart or how any of this has to do with the shootings.

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/demmap.jpg

I already said it was dumb to use bulleyes in another thread.

[JustRalph]

Nj, you make a valid point, along with Giffords father, if the shooter was an active member of the Tea party. We all know that he wasn't. Your view is not only inaccurate, it reeks of trying to score political points from a tragedy.

That is sad

[NJ Stinks]

Nj, you make a valid point, along with Giffords father, if the shooter was an active member of the Tea party. We all know that he wasn't. Your view is not only inaccurate, it reeks of trying to score political points from a tragedy.

That is sad

I'm not trying to score anything. You say the left immediately jumped on the shooting for political gain. I say the victim and her father brought attention to the Tea Party long before anyone else did.

[JustRalph]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sanders-fundraises-arizona-murders_533487.html?nopager=1

Sanders the socialist, goes fundraising. He uses the Arizona Shootings to fund raise.

Stay Classy Bernie!

[Rookies]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sanders-fundraises-arizona-murders_533487.html?nopager=1

Sanders the socialist, goes fundraising. He uses the Arizona Shootings to fund raise.

Stay Classy Bernie!

Ok, JR. This was WRONG, just as a similar pitch for the Arizona Tea Party Express which just came out.

While professing to be "horrified" at the shootings, the group charged that "many in the news media and liberal political figures and organizations" are blaming Sarah Palin and "our grass roots, Constitutionalist movement" for the tragedy in Tucson.

"We're taking our country back through the ballot box and in the public square -- through peaceful means," the letter claims. "And we will prevail, because our ideas and ideals are stronger than the scare/smear/defame tactics of the leftists we face."

"We ask you to please stand with the Tea Party Express and show your support for our efforts. You can make a contribution right now to the Tea Party Express -- CLICK HERE TO CONTRIBUTE."


BOTH, ridiculously insensitive and illtimed.:ThmbDown:

[boxcar]

Ok, JR. This was WRONG, just as a similar pitch for the Arizona Tea Party Express which just came out.

While professing to be "horrified" at the shootings, the group charged that "many in the news media and liberal political figures and organizations" are blaming Sarah Palin and "our grass roots, Constitutionalist movement" for the tragedy in Tucson.

"We're taking our country back through the ballot box and in the public square -- through peaceful means," the letter claims. "And we will prevail, because our ideas and ideals are stronger than the scare/smear/defame tactics of the leftists we face."

"We ask you to please stand with the Tea Party Express and show your support for our efforts. You can make a contribution right now to the Tea Party Express -- CLICK HERE TO CONTRIBUTE."


BOTH, ridiculously insensitive and illtimed.:ThmbDown:

Not so fast, Rooks: This is what Sanders said in part:

Given the recent tragedy in Arizona, as well as the start of the new Congress, I wanted to take this opportunity to share a few words with political friends in Vermont and throughout the country.

Bernie makes no bones about it -- he is saying that he's using the tragedy as an opportunity. Whereas the AZ TP organization has not said this. Why don't you post the link to the site from which you quoted TP excerpts. The full context of their remarks would tell the whole story.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

I see nothing wrong with the Tea Party appeal. They make it clear they are responding to the attacks perpetrated by the left.

They dont seem to be relating their efforts directly to the shooting, but to the reactionary efforts and inaccurate attacks coming from the left.

Maybe a small distinction, but important

[redshift1]

I have a feeling The Tea Party, Sarah Palin and the Tucson Shootings will be linked in the public eye for a long time, the in your face, gun toting persona
of the movement is vulnerable to one violent act. That's the price paid for living on the edge.

Ironically linkage between the shooter and the TP seem non-existent.

[bigmack]

I have a feeling The Tea Party, Sarah Palin and the Tucson Shootings will be linked in the public eye for a long time
For people with shoe sized IQ's that may be true.

Poll today says 60% believe the media is out of line trying to make any connection.

[redshift1]

For people with shoe sized IQ's that may be true.

Poll today says 60% believe the media is out of line trying to make any connection.

What poll say's the media is out of line , the CBS poll asks are they connected not if they are out of line. Big difference.

[rastajenk]

Give it some time. The voting segment of the American people is not as stupid as you wish they are.

The guy's anti-Semitism is the main lead here, although it's been pretty successfully buried so far, seems to me. Any effort to connect this to hawkish radio voices, gun toters, and anti-government sentiment will be doomed by the facts soon enough.

[ArlJim78]

It may be anti-semitism, but I'm also wondering if it isn't more to do with misogyny. this guy was a loser with women, and seemed to have a hatred for Giffords in particular. That angle doesn't seem to be covered, even though when was the last time a female was the target for an assassination? can you imagine if the targeted person was hispanic, or black, or gay? do you think the media would miss that aspect? i don't think so.

[delayjf]

gun toting persona of the movement is vulnerable to one violent act. That's the price paid for living on the edge.

Yet on the left one can bomb a police station and the Pentagon and get tenured at a University - that just blows my mind.

[Tom]

Sara Palin has a great reply video out on You Tube today - first sign of intelligent comment since the shooting.

Too bad the left has so many total morons with access to the media.
Like that slime-ball Elliot Spitzer - Mr Quick-release zipper without an ounce of integrity or morality in his potential-infected body talking about what Rush said when he had no frigging clue what it was. How can even CNN hire human garbage like this guy????

Tone down the rhetoric?

BS. Time to dial it up.....WAY up.
You don't like targets?
Tough - deal with it.
I like them. :cool:

[ArlJim78]

I agree, let's keep the rhetoric up. When your opponents are systematically making asses of themselves on a daily basis around the country and it's getting good coverage on the news, I say KEEP IT UP! Keep digging that hole you're in.

[Tom]

This is the shooter - when arrested, and high school yearbook photo.
Isn't this enough to have him on some kind of alert list?

[ArlJim78]

His new look is very much like Uncle Fester

http://birthlog.net/img/jackie%20coogan.jpg

[dartman51]

I'd like to thank the posters in this thread for my daily comic relief. Some of this stuff cracks me up. The one thing that seems to have gone unnoticed is that no one (especially Obama) has blamed Bush, yet. It seems like everything bad, that has happened in the last 10 years, get's blamed on Bush. I'm just waiting for someone to connect the dots. I'm sure theres a connection to be found somewhere. I'll be waiting. :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

It may be anti-semitism, but I'm also wondering if it isn't more to do with misogyny. this guy was a loser with women, and seemed to have a hatred for Giffords in particular. That angle doesn't seem to be covered, even though when was the last time a female was the target for an assassination? can you imagine if the targeted person was hispanic, or black, or gay? do you think the media would miss that aspect? i don't think so.

You forgot one: or a Muslim.

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

You forgot one: or a Muslim.

Boxcar
Oh jeez you're right, how could I miss the biggest sacred cow of them all.
Remember at Ft. Hood we were advised to not consider the religious aspect, that we should not jump to conclusions regarding motive. What a double standard when the shooter is a white male, any and all theories regarding motive are immediately welcomed and considered valid before any facts are known.

[hcap]

Michael Tomasky...

.. A Republican senator who said some sensible things about “caution” and “reflection” and maybe the inflammatory rhetoric has gone to far. What’s remarkable about this is that the senator would not go on record; he is quoted anonymously.

.. What was this senator afraid of? Backlash, of course. From Limbaugh and Fox. From voters and constituents – on the right. Maybe, ultimately, afraid of being next. That this senator feels that fear, over remarks that should hardly be controversial to anyone, proves the point of those of us who’ve been writing that the climate matters and Republicans should do something about it.

Why the right is more wrong than the left.

*On October 9, 2009, House candidate Robert Lowry of Florida held an event at a Broward County gun range during which he fired at a series of symbolic political targets, including a silhouette with his opponent Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s initials on it.

*On January 10, 2010, Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle spoke of the need for “Second Amendment remedies” to congressional policies, and hinted that such remedies might be needed to address “the Harry Reid problems.”

*On May 10, 2010, House candidate Brad Goerhing from California’s 11th District wrote on his Facebook page: “If I could issue hunting permits, I would officially declare today opening day for liberals. The season would extend through November 2 and have no limits on how many taken as we desperately need to ‘thin’ the herd.”

*On June 12, 2010, Rep. Giffords’ very own Republican opponent Jesse Kelly held an event advertised locally as follows: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 With Jesse Kelly.” Get that again. Remove Giffords. Shoot an M16.

*On October 21, 2010, Dallas pastor and House candidate Stephen Broden, said the violent overthrow of the U.S. government in 2010 should not be “the first option,” but citizens ought to use “any means necessary” and that violence should remain an option “on the table.”
.................................................. .

These weren’t 22-year-old loners or eve local talk-radio hosts. These were candidates for congress! Find dems from this past election who talked like that about their opponents or their government. Find one.

There is a difference between the left and the right. The above list doesn't cover of course the denizens of right wing radio and Faux. Many of whom carried the theme of solving political problems with their own gun toting jokes and violent rhetoric. The right sickers about taking out people. Did it affect Loughner? We may never know. And ultimately Loughneris is the responsible party, but the right wins hands down for stepping over the line

[dartman51]

Why the right is more wrong than the left.

*On October 9, 2009, House candidate Robert Lowry of Florida held an event at a Broward County gun range during which he fired at a series of symbolic political targets, including a silhouette with his opponent Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s initials on it.

*On January 10, 2010, Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle spoke of the need for “Second Amendment remedies” to congressional policies, and hinted that such remedies might be needed to address “the Harry Reid problems.”

*On May 10, 2010, House candidate Brad Goerhing from California’s 11th District wrote on his Facebook page: “If I could issue hunting permits, I would officially declare today opening day for liberals. The season would extend through November 2 and have no limits on how many taken as we desperately need to ‘thin’ the herd.”

*On June 12, 2010, Rep. Giffords’ very own Republican opponent Jesse Kelly held an event advertised locally as follows: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 With Jesse Kelly.” Get that again. Remove Giffords. Shoot an M16.

*On October 21, 2010, Dallas pastor and House candidate Stephen Broden, said the violent overthrow of the U.S. government in 2010 should not be “the first option,” but citizens ought to use “any means necessary” and that violence should remain an option “on the table.”
.................................................. .

These weren’t 22-year-old loners or eve local talk-radio hosts. These were candidates for congress! Find dems from this past election who talked like that about their opponents or their government. Find one.

There is a difference between the left and the right. The above list doesn't cover of course the denizens of right wing radio and Faux. Many of whom carried the theme of solving political problems with their own gun toting jokes and violent rhetoric. The right sickers about taking out people. Did it affect Loughner? We may never know. And ultimately Loughneris is the responsible party, but the right wins hands down for stepping over the line

If you would get your head out of your ass long enough to get some real news, instead of spreading BULLSHIT, you would know that he DIDN'T watch the news, DIDN'T get involved in politics, DIDN'T listen to talk radio, and DIDN'T have an affiliation with ANY political party. You really should come up for air sometime. :bang:

[Pell Mell]

And it seems like he had some kind of contact with his victim back in 2007. Was there a TP back then?

[delayjf]

*On October 9, 2009, House candidate Robert Lowry of Florida held an event at a Broward County gun range during which he fired at a series of symbolic political targets, including a silhouette with his opponent Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s initials on it.

*On January 10, 2010, Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle spoke of the need for “Second Amendment remedies” to congressional policies, and hinted that such remedies might be needed to address “the Harry Reid problems.”

*On May 10, 2010, House candidate Brad Goerhing from California’s 11th District wrote on his Facebook page: “If I could issue hunting permits, I would officially declare today opening day for liberals. The season would extend through November 2 and have no limits on how many taken as we desperately need to ‘thin’ the herd.”

*On June 12, 2010, Rep. Giffords’ very own Republican opponent Jesse Kelly held an event advertised locally as follows: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 With Jesse Kelly.” Get that again. Remove Giffords. Shoot an M16.

*On October 21, 2010, Dallas pastor and House candidate Stephen Broden, said the violent overthrow of the U.S. government in 2010 should not be “the first option,” but citizens ought to use “any means necessary” and that violence should remain an option “on the table.”

Retoric is one things, violent acts are another. Schroll down to the anti military violence in Malkin's article. Probably gives Bill Ayers flashbacks.

[boxcar]

Why the right is more wrong than the left.

*On October 9, 2009, House candidate Robert Lowry of Florida held an event at a Broward County gun range during which he fired at a series of symbolic political targets, including a silhouette with his opponent Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s initials on it.

*On January 10, 2010, Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle spoke of the need for “Second Amendment remedies” to congressional policies, and hinted that such remedies might be needed to address “the Harry Reid problems.”

*On May 10, 2010, House candidate Brad Goerhing from California’s 11th District wrote on his Facebook page: “If I could issue hunting permits, I would officially declare today opening day for liberals. The season would extend through November 2 and have no limits on how many taken as we desperately need to ‘thin’ the herd.”

*On June 12, 2010, Rep. Giffords’ very own Republican opponent Jesse Kelly held an event advertised locally as follows: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 With Jesse Kelly.” Get that again. Remove Giffords. Shoot an M16.

*On October 21, 2010, Dallas pastor and House candidate Stephen Broden, said the violent overthrow of the U.S. government in 2010 should not be “the first option,” but citizens ought to use “any means necessary” and that violence should remain an option “on the table.”
.................................................. .

These weren’t 22-year-old loners or eve local talk-radio hosts. These were candidates for congress! Find dems from this past election who talked like that about their opponents or their government. Find one.

There is a difference between the left and the right. The above list doesn't cover of course the denizens of right wing radio and Faux. Many of whom carried the theme of solving political problems with their own gun toting jokes and violent rhetoric. The right sickers about taking out people. Did it affect Loughner? We may never know. And ultimately Loughneris is the responsible party, but the right wins hands down for stepping over the line

Pure, unadulterated, juvenile nonsense. Provide links that contain actual quotes in their contexts. Anything less than this makes you a fraud as much as your messiah is a liar.

Boxcar

[ElKabong]

I have a feeling The Tea Party, Sarah Palin and the Tucson Shootings will be linked in the public eye for a long time, the in your face, gun toting persona
of the movement is vulnerable to one violent act. That's the price paid for living on the edge.



Nah, the former classmate's comments about Loughner being "Liberal" will be remembered.

Sucks for you, yes. But I can live with that with full enjoyment. :cool:

[ElKabong]

Why the right is more wrong than the left.

*On October 9, 2009, House candidate Robert Lowry of Florida held an event at a Broward County gun range during which he fired at a series of symbolic political targets, including a silhouette with his opponent Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s initials on it.

*On January 10, 2010, Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle spoke of the need for “Second Amendment remedies” to congressional policies, and hinted that such remedies might be needed to address “the Harry Reid problems.”

*On May 10, 2010, House candidate Brad Goerhing from California’s 11th District wrote on his Facebook page: “If I could issue hunting permits, I would officially declare today opening day for liberals. The season would extend through November 2 and have no limits on how many taken as we desperately need to ‘thin’ the herd.”

*On June 12, 2010, Rep. Giffords’ very own Republican opponent Jesse Kelly held an event advertised locally as follows: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 With Jesse Kelly.” Get that again. Remove Giffords. Shoot an M16.

*On October 21, 2010, Dallas pastor and House candidate Stephen Broden, said the violent overthrow of the U.S. government in 2010 should not be “the first option,” but citizens ought to use “any means necessary” and that violence should remain an option “on the table.”
.................................................. .

These weren’t 22-year-old loners or eve local talk-radio hosts. These were candidates for congress! Find dems from this past election who talked like that about their opponents or their government. Find one.

There is a difference between the left and the right. The above list doesn't cover of course the denizens of right wing radio and Faux. Many of whom carried the theme of solving political problems with their own gun toting jokes and violent rhetoric. The right sickers about taking out people. Did it affect Loughner? We may never know. And ultimately Loughneris is the responsible party, but the right wins hands down for stepping over the line

You forgot about the repugs calling librulls HOSTAGE TAKERS this month.....Don't cheat yourself, girlfriend.

Oh wait........
.
.

[boxcar]

Nah, the former classmate's comments about Loughner being "Liberal" will be remembered.

Sucks for you, yes. But I can live with that with full enjoyment. :cool:

There's a clip of the interview with Loughner's one time "best friend". (I think ABC did the interview on their Good Morning America show.) At any rate -- the friend said Loughner was apolitical. Neither right or left. Didn't watch TV. Didn't listen to radio, etc.

This latest revelation makes all the politicizing by the Left even more shameless -- even more despicable. And more so by the sheriff because he has known all this, I'm sure -- but that hasn't prevented him from casting aspersions upon completely innocent people.

Boxcar

[bigmack]

Shrewd of both hcap & Olbermann to tie this tragedy to heated rhetoric by bringing up heated rhetoric again & again.

It's a step in the right direction to point out heated rhetoric so that we can diminish the heated rhetoric. Additionally, to weigh the heated rhetoric to show that "their side" has little to do with heated rhetoric.

How 'bout it for hcap & Olby. Are they pieces of work or what?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/mona1.gif

[NJ Stinks]

Why the right is more wrong than the left.

*On October 9, 2009, House candidate Robert Lowry of Florida held an event at a Broward County gun range during which he fired at a series of symbolic political targets, including a silhouette with his opponent Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s initials on it.

*On January 10, 2010, Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle spoke of the need for “Second Amendment remedies” to congressional policies, and hinted that such remedies might be needed to address “the Harry Reid problems.”

*On May 10, 2010, House candidate Brad Goerhing from California’s 11th District wrote on his Facebook page: “If I could issue hunting permits, I would officially declare today opening day for liberals. The season would extend through November 2 and have no limits on how many taken as we desperately need to ‘thin’ the herd.”

*On June 12, 2010, Rep. Giffords’ very own Republican opponent Jesse Kelly held an event advertised locally as follows: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 With Jesse Kelly.” Get that again. Remove Giffords. Shoot an M16.

*On October 21, 2010, Dallas pastor and House candidate Stephen Broden, said the violent overthrow of the U.S. government in 2010 should not be “the first option,” but citizens ought to use “any means necessary” and that violence should remain an option “on the table.”
.................................................. .

These weren’t 22-year-old loners or eve local talk-radio hosts. These were candidates for congress! Find dems from this past election who talked like that about their opponents or their government. Find one.

There is a difference between the left and the right. The above list doesn't cover of course the denizens of right wing radio and Faux. Many of whom carried the theme of solving political problems with their own gun toting jokes and violent rhetoric. The right sickers about taking out people. Did it affect Loughner? We may never know. And ultimately Loughneris is the responsible party, but the right wins hands down for stepping over the line

Upon further review, this post stands. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[boxcar]

Upon further review, this post stands. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

Yeah, it stands, alright -- right in the muck and mire of the deceit and hypocrisy where most of you leftists live. :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:

Boxcar

[mostpost]

There are two questions here. Does the right, including its candidates and on air personalities, engage in inflammatory rhetoric and hate speech? Yes, see post 63 this thread for just a few examples. Also: Glenn Beck saying "I want to kill Michael Moore am I wrong to feel that way" then going on to describe strangling Moore. Mark Levin suggesting that a caller's liberal husband should shoot himself.
The second question is did this rhetoric influence the shooter in the Arizona incident. At the present time there is no evidence it did. There is no evidence there was any left wing influence on Loughner.

[cj's dad]

Loughner's mug shot says all you need to know re: his culpability.

[mostpost]

Shrewd of both hcap & Olbermann to tie this tragedy to heated rhetoric by bringing up heated rhetoric again & again.

It's a step in the right direction to point out heated rhetoric so that we can diminish the heated rhetoric. Additionally, to weigh the heated rhetoric to show that "their side" has little to do with heated rhetoric.

How 'bout it for hcap & Olby. Are they pieces of work or what?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/mona1.gif
I found this headline on line today:
Italian researcher: symbols found in 'Mona Lisa'
Didn't know what to make of it until you clarified it above.

[Tom]

Let's not forget, hcap, Obama's comments to the Jonas Brothers.....
WWKG6ZmgAX4

[Tom]

And his people speak....
3tkM7evLrEU

[boxcar]

There are two questions here. Does the right, including its candidates and on air personalities, engage in inflammatory rhetoric and hate speech?

But does this all have anything to do directly with this tragedy?

Yes, see post 63 this thread for just a few examples. Also: Glenn Beck saying "I want to kill Michael Moore am I wrong to feel that way" then going on to describe strangling Moore. Mark Levin suggesting that a caller's liberal husband should shoot himself.

Provide links so that we can all see the contexts in which those those remarks were made, otherwise you're blowing smoke at us.

The second question is did this rhetoric influence the shooter in the Arizona incident. At the present time there is no evidence it did. There is no evidence there was any left wing influence on Loughner.

So, then why did the pathetic reprobates on the Left make this an issue? :bang: :bang:

But there is PLENTY OF EVIDENCE that the Left wanted to exploit this tragedy for cheap political gain. Even Rep. Clyburn has already talked, in the context of this horrible event, about bringing back the Fairness Doctrine -- knowing full well that talk radio had absolutely nothing to do with this. In no way is the Right complicit in this terrible crime. He clearly exposed what the Left's political agenda is here: To launch an assault upon the First Amendment. Others have already talked about further attacking the Second Amendment by putting more restrictions on gun ownership.

The opportunistic leftist carrion eaters just can't wait to exploit a tragedy, manufacture a crisis or let one go to waste. The Left, generally, makes Jared Loughner look darn near normal by comparison!

Boxcar

[ElKabong]

And his people speak....
3tkM7evLrEU

hey, are these Obama Acorns fortunetellers, or what!! The rich have certainly gotten richer, and the poor have REALLY gotten poorer since Obama was sworn in.

Mission f'n accomplished!

[hcap]

I think the PA off topic Tea Party contingent is in deep denial. Which faction on this board called Obama a traitor? Suggested an armed march on Washington, and speculated on whether or not the military would take up arms against the citizens if they rose up in reprisal against the Obama administration? Hint, it was not the Liberals. Who call their debating opponents commies, socialists and have suggested on more than one occasion those anti-Americans should vacate the country? Not to mention all the accusations of Godlessness and the ensuing fire and brimstone and damnation from he religious right here. Sounds like pretty extreme rhetoric verging on hate don't you guys think?

The right is guilty OUT therein the big wide world, but the same sentiments are echoed inside the cloistered halls of an off topic horse racing blog.

Now, of course I don't think any of us want to curtail free speech, inside or outside, but if we speculate heated rhetoric could have carried a mentally ill individual over the top, we should recognize it's origins.
George Packer,
In fact, there is no balance—none whatsoever. Only one side has made the rhetoric of armed revolt against an oppressive tyranny the guiding spirit of its grassroots movement and its midterm campaign. Only one side routinely invokes the Second Amendment as a form of swagger and intimidation, not-so-coyly conflating rights with threats. Only one side’s activists bring guns to democratic political gatherings. Only one side has a popular national TV host who uses his platform to indoctrinate viewers in the conviction that the President is an alien, totalitarian menace to the country. Only one side fills the AM waves with rage and incendiary falsehoods. Only one side has an iconic leader, with a devoted grassroots following, who can’t stop using violent imagery and dividing her countrymen into us and them, real and fake. Any sentient American knows which side that is; to argue otherwise is disingenuous.
I recall the rage at Healthcare Town Hall Meetings. It wasn't the supporters of healtcare that were shouting down their congresspeople in anger. Guess who? Some of it bordered on violent. It was though a subset of Americans who believe that government is illegitimate really blew their stacks. Civil discourse was in short supply.

.................................................. ....................

Some more bits and pieces.

Sharron Angle: "People are looking towards the second amendment remedies and saying my goodness, what can we do to turn our country around."

• Angle again: "The first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."

Michele Bachmann (R-MN): "I want people armed and dangerous on this issue [of the energy tax] because we need to fight back."

Recently Joe Scarborough...
.."my mom and a lot of other people like her that watch him every day start to believe if they hear every day, every day, that there's this guy in Washington D.C., this black guy that hates all white people and he wants to take your money . . . and he wants to destroy the country you grew up in. You feed that vile message to Americans every day, it's going to have an impact."

• Glenn Beck: "I want to kill Charlie Rangel with a shovel."

• Beck again: "Every night I get down on my knees and pray Dennis Kucinich will burst into flames."

• Alan West chief of staff Joyce Kaufman: "If ballots don't work, bullets will."

The Department of Homeland Security’s April 2009 rather tepid report on “Rightwing Extremism” described how the threat of “violent attacks” was increasing due to “the prolonged economic downturn,” “the election of the first African American president,” the possibility of firearms restrictions and the recruitment of returning military vets by right-wing extremists.

Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Jonah Goldberg, Cal Thomas, Michael Savage and many other right-wing mouthpieces constantly comparing Obama to Hitler, painting bleak visions of social collapse, fomenting revolution endlessly and calling on their followers to “grab your guns.” It is no wonder that from 2008 to 2009 the number of conspiracist and antigovernment Patriot groups soared from 149 to 512 and the number of militias from 42 to 127.

Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what ...


More later.

[Tom]

Now, of course I don't think any of us want to curtail free speech, inside or outside, but if we speculate heated rhetoric could have carried a mentally ill individual over the top, we should recognize it's origins.

Crackpot talk.
We do not dumb down our society for fear of what wack-o's will do.
Free speech is not limited by the crazies.

[rastajenk]

Only the most stubborn of the (Oyxmoron Alert!) liberal intelligentsia are still trying to tie Heated Rhetoric to the actions of a man detached from reality. That tact isn't working, and isn't going to work. Give it up, dude, it's only making you look even more uninformed.

[Tom]

Let me help you out here, brother cap..


"To arms, to arms, the British are coming."
-----clearly vitriolic speech, eh?

[hcap]

Let me help you out here, brother cap..

"To arms, to arms, the British are coming."
-----clearly vitriolic speech, eh?
Yeah except it was Rush Limpbag, and he babbled

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what "

Real noble of Rush and in no way comparable to American patriots during the Revolutionary War

[ArlJim78]

Michele Bachmann (R-MN): "I want people armed and dangerous on this issue [of the energy tax] because we need to fight back."


many of these are taken out of context. thats what happens when you just copy and paste from a lib site. for example in this Bachmann quote she was talking about giving information to her constituents so that when they challenge the supporters of cap and trade they would be armed and dangerous, meaning armed with facts. it was completely innocuous, but to the left it makes her an accomplice to murder. she wasn't talking about actual weapons.:rolleyes:

"I'm going to have materials for people when they leave. I want people armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax, because we need to fight back."

[Tom]

Yeah except it was Rush Limpbag, and he babbled

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what "

Real noble of Rush and in no way comparable to American patriots during the Revolutionary War

Can you provide a link to that, or is this like OB's BC - just trust you?
Not that it was not out of line talk to begin with - I see nothing inflammatory a about it.

Like if all the lawyers were laid out end to end......it would be a good start.

You libs really need to tougthen up - are you concerned that we have a War on Poverty? Or a War on drugs?

[delayjf]

Only one side

Retoric on the right vs criminal acts on the left, in some cases conducted not by individuals but by mobs - and the left claims the high ground.

[PaceAdvantage]

Hcap seems to be losing it...every tactic the left tries to discredit the right with seems to backfire as of late...

[ArlJim78]

Retoric on the right vs criminal acts on the left, in some cases conducted not by individuals but by mobs - and the left claims the high ground.
thats what I don't get, both sides have some degree of heated rhetoric, but only one side actually commits violent acts. actual politcal violence really does mainly come from the left, but they forget about that and instead freak out about the perceived threat of rightwing violence.

[hcap]

Can you provide a link to that, or is this like OB's BC - just trust you?
Not that it was not out of line talk to begin with - I see nothing inflammatory a about it.

Like if all the lawyers were laid out end to end......it would be a good start.

You libs really need to tougthen up - are you concerned that we have a War on Poverty? Or a War on drugs?

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for."
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95



BTW Tom you were the guy calling forn armed march on Washington.

Rush was also seen deriving around with this on the back of his car.

I suppose you pristine virgins never saw this before in your lives?


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mupm2BmIjtc/S6qDi2IMFWI/AAAAAAAALAA/3fBWzae78Jo/s1600/website+lib+hunting+permit6.jpg

[boxcar]

And you can't recognize humor when you see it, can you? I thought Rush's line was funny. It wasn't said with malice or in anger. Context, context, context. But you're such a fraud, all you know is pretext.

Is that Rush's "hunting license", too? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[hcap]

And you can't recognize humor when you see it, can you? I thought Rush's line was funny. It wasn't said with malice or in anger. Context, context, context. But you're such a fraud, all you know is pretext. Is that Rush's "hunting license", too?
Sense of humor when you sit in judgment of mine and other peoples beliefs and whether or nor they will be damned

.................................................. ..........

During the Bush presidency, was there even one case of a liberal or leftist carrying a gun at a Bush rally –unlike the dozen men who openly packed heat at an Obama rally in Arizona or the individual outside an Obama event in New Hampshire with a pistol strapped to his leg totting a sign threatening, “It is time to water the tree of Liberty”?

Were there any libs swaggering around peace protests like some righties at Tea Party meetings carrying assault weapons, displaying "Liberal Hunting Licenses," or listening to that Glenn Beck's delusional rants about President Obama's imaginary concentration camps.

That's the kind of "sense of humor" nightmares re made of.

[Tom]

BTW Tom you were the guy calling forn armed march on Washington.

Yes, and I still want to see it happen.
I want those bastards to get a clear look at Americans displaying their constitutional rights in our capital. OUR capital not theirs.


You have a problem with that but not with hoards of illegals marching in our streets declaring their right to ignore our laws?

Strange who you fear.
An American with a legal gun - best sight millions of people world wide have ever seen. Ask France.

(I also support everyone, while in DC, to flush the toilets at exactly the same time...think of it, people would think Congress had re-convened!)

[boxcar]

Sense of humor when you sit in judgment of mine and other peoples beliefs and whether or nor they will be damned

So, you're going to blame me for having the wisdom to recognize the differences? You're going to blame me for your shortcomings?

.................................................. ..........

During the Bush presidency, was there even one case of a liberal or leftist carrying a gun at a Bush rally –unlike the dozen men who openly packed heat at an Obama rally in Arizona or the individual outside an Obama event in New Hampshire with a pistol strapped to his leg totting a sign threatening, “It is time to water the tree of Liberty”?

Pretty lame. So...someone legally packs heat and that in and of itself constitutes a threat of violence? You're truly pathetic.

Were there any libs swaggering around peace protests like some righties at Tea Party meetings carrying assault weapons, displaying "Liberal Hunting Licenses," or listening to that Glenn Beck's delusional rants about President Obama's imaginary concentration camps.

How many acts of violence were committed at these events? Do we need to post here again how many actual acts of violence the left were perpetrated?

Boxcar
P.S. By the way on those hunting licenses -- I think what's going on there is that conservatives are playing to libs' perpetual victimization claims. Cons figure libs must be harboring a secret death wish, anyway...so why would they mind becoming two-legged game? :D

[hcap]

Yes, and I still want to see it happen. I want those bastards to get a clear look at Americans displaying their onstitutional rights in our capital. OUR capital not theirs. The context of this thread and a bunch of others is who exactly does heated rhetoric. The left or the right.

We have been going back and forth here for years. I am not suggesting we limit free speech. But we are not being broadcast on 24/7 cable. So fine call for an armed march on DC, but imagine if Fox began pushing that. See any problems?

[johnhannibalsmith]

...Were there any libs swaggering around peace protests like some righties at Tea Party meetings carrying assault weapons, displaying "Liberal Hunting Licenses,"...

This doesn't even make sense.

If your position is flower power, you bring a flower. If your position is gun rights, you bring a gun.

You didn't see any arsonist conservatoids burning draft cards either, nowditcha.

[hcap]

This doesn't even make sense.

If your position is flower power, you bring a flower. If your position is gun rights, you bring a gun.

You didn't see any arsonist conservatoids burning draft cards either, nowditcha.It may be legal to carry weapons in certain jurisdictions, what is the point packing at a political rally?

Maybe a few deer will present themselves at some point during the rally and all those carrying love venison?

[johnhannibalsmith]

It may be legal to carry weapons in certain jurisdictions, what is the point packing at a political rally?

Maybe a few deer will present themselves at some point during the rally and all those carrying love venison?

Why carry a flower to a peace rally? Why bring a cradle and a bottle to pro-life ralley? Why carry signs or do anything at all?

My real answer seems so obvious to me, but maybe that's what separates people.

Political rallies are nothing but symbolic. Nothing happens. Nobody resurrects a dead fetus or stops a war or demonstrates the beneficial functions of a handgun.

They are like pep rallies in high school. Wear the team colors, carry a pitchfork to celebrate the Monroe Mucksacker's resplendency, and hoot and hollar, go home, sleep, and tell everyone about it the next day.

Do you think that the weapons were present merely to intimidate or possibly to be used?

[Tom]

We have been going back and forth here for years. I am not suggesting we limit free speech. But we are not being broadcast on 24/7 cable. So fine call for an armed march on DC, but imagine if Fox began pushing that. See any problems?

Yes, because they are supposed to report the news, not make it.
I have no problem with O'Reilly doing it, or Hannity.

Weren't some of those illegal occupier marches encouraged by left-wing news agencies?

[lsbets]

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for."
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95



You've fallen for it again. You hear something that seems right to you, so you accept it without question. Now for some facts (I know, you hate those).

The quote is not from Limbaugh. It is from an article written on Dec 29, 1995 by a humorist named Bill Tammeus. The humorist's article is entitled: The year of talking dangerously:Next time, folks, consider silence. It is a madeup quote.

I know, it was fed to you by the Huff Post among others. But its BS. How many times are you gonna swallow stuff without thinking?

[hcap]

Could be. Apparently there is one conservative blogger that refutes the Denver post source as serious and claims to have searched it's archives and discovered it was a fumy. I read Denver Post and assumed it was serious. Ok, one out of how many crude Limbag statements. His "body of work" still stands as vile. Limpbag could have been quoted on a few dozen equally as stupid remarks. Should I read you chapter and verse?

[lsbets]

Could be. Apparently there is one conservative blogger that refutes the Denver post source as serious and claims to have searched it's archives and discovered it was a fumy. I read Denver Post and assumed it was serious. Ok, one out of how many crude Limbag statements. His "body of work" still stands as vile. Limpbag could have been quoted on a few dozen equally as stupid remarks. Should I read you chapter and verse?

The last time you guys did that with Limbaugh they all turned out to be inaccurate or made up. More perch from the gullible fools. Save some time and search the archives here for the thread. I think zilly posted the quotes, and after a quick google search I posted a link to the truth (I know you don't know what that word means, but get a dictionary and look up truth. Expanding your vocabulary would be good).

[bigmack]

hcap keeping score on angry rhetoric is far removed from underscoring our supposed need to dial down angry rhetoric. It's a playground exercise seen in kindergarten throughout the world.

It's clear why he uses a child in his avatar. His brain is running on the frequency of a 6 year old.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/thethrowupmongrels.gif

[hcap]

The last time you guys did that with Limbaugh they all turned out to be inaccurate or made up. More perch from the gullible fools. Save some time and search the archives here for the thread. I think zilly posted the quotes, and after a quick google search I posted a link to the truth (I know you don't know what that word means, but get a dictionary and look up truth. Expanding your vocabulary would be good).You should be careful what you wish for. Btw, most of the lies and inacuracies here are from the cadre of ant-Obama posters. A constant idiotic 24/7 barge of conspiracy theories, concentration camp nonsense and accusations from being a closet Muslim to a Marxist, all drawing on total garbage not a Denver Post byline.

Speaking of incendiary Limbag rhetoric. No involved search at all.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028078-503544.html

Rush Limbaugh is not exactly dialing down the rhetoric in the wake of the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others in Tucson on Saturday.

In his first comments on the tragedy, Limbaugh lashed out at the Democratic Party as one that "seeks to profit out of murder," Roll Call reports, citing Limbaugh's comments as aired on a Tucson station. The Roll Call report also quotes Limbaugh saying that the political left "openly wishes for such disaster in order to profit from it."

Anything else Ls?

[rastajenk]

Shakespeare wrote, "Kill all the lawyers." I say we blame his ass for all this eliminationist rhetoric going around. Let's advocate for new laws to prevent Shakespeare from being taught in schools. :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Since when is the truth vitriolic?

[lsbets]

You should be careful what you wish for. Btw, most of the lies and inacuracies here are from the cadre of ant-Obama posters. A constant idiotic 24/7 barge of conspiracy theories, concentration camp nonsense and accusations from being a closet Muslim to a Marxist, all drawing on total garbage not a Denver Post byline.

Speaking of incendiary Limbag rhetoric that I didn't have to search for

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028078-503544.html

Rush Limbaugh is not exactly dialing down the rhetoric in the wake of the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others in Tucson on Saturday.

In his first comments on the tragedy, Limbaugh lashed out at the Democratic Party as one that "seeks to profit out of murder," Roll Call reports, citing Limbaugh's comments as aired on a Tucson station. The Roll Call report also quotes Limbaugh saying that the political left "openly wishes for such disaster in order to profit from it."

Anything else Ls?

You might disagree with Limbaugh's quotes there about the Dems, but many would agree. Politico reported that Obama was advised to pin this on the tea party. Even before it was knows whether the Congresswoman was alive or dead, Krugman had a blog post up blaming it on the right. Prior to the event, liberal commentators said Obama needed an Oklahoma City moment to save his Presidency. I think it is fair to say that the left was wishing for such an event to happen and jumped on it right away hoping to exploit it. While you might not like the harsh truth of his statement regarding the left and the shooting there is nothing incendiary about it. The truth backs him up on that.

[Tom]

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/jared-loughners-friend-says-suspect-did-not-watch-tv-disliked-the-news_b48040

[hcap]

You might disagree with Limbaugh's quotes there about the Dems, but many would agree. Politico reported that Obama was advised to pin this on the tea party. Even before it was knows whether the Congresswoman was alive or dead, Krugman had a blog post up blaming it on the right. Prior to the event, liberal commentators said Obama needed an Oklahoma City moment to save his Presidency. I think it is fair to say that the left was wishing for such an event to happen and jumped on it right away hoping to exploit it. While you might not like the harsh truth of his statement regarding the left and the shooting there is nothing incendiary about it. The truth backs him up on that.You asked for a hateful Limpbag quote that was authentic. I obliged.

Now you ramble on about "what Obama was advised to do" and speculate a lot of bullshit
"I think it is fair to say that the left was wishing for such an event to happen and jumped on it right away hoping to exploit it."

Par for the course. I never thought you would stoop to that level. Proves what I have been saying about the right on PA off topic.

[lsbets]

You asked for a hateful Limpbag quote that was authentic. I obliged.

Now you ramble on about "what Obama was advised to do" and speculate a lot of bullshit
"I think it is fair to say that the left was wishing for such an event to happen and jumped on it right away hoping to exploit it."

Par for the course. I never thought you would stoop to that level. Proves what I have been saying about the right on PA off topic.

It wasn't a hateful quote. It was his opinion based on fact. I provided the facts for you, but we all know facts are something you are not familiar with. The sources of the facts are Politico and Time, hardly right wing outlets.

Do you dispute the fact that according to Politico Obama was advised to pin the event on the tea party?

Do you dispute the fact that before anyone really knew what happened Paul Krugman was blaming the right?

Do you dispute the fact that after mountains of evidence came out contrary to Krugman's original assertion that instead of correcting himself he doubled down on his assertions?

Do you dispute the fact that Olberman went on the air the same day as the shooting to lay blame with Palin and the Tea Party?

Do you dispute the fact that prior to the shooting a liberal writer in a major publication said Obama needed an Oklahoma City to save his Presidency?

Do you dispute the fact that the same day as the shooting the sheriff was blaming the right wing and the next day directly blaming Limbaugh, despite evidence to the contrary and his department's familiarity with the shooter?

Do you dispute any of those facts? There are many more that would make it easy for one to come to the conclusion that there are those on the left who are seeking to profit from the shootings. So tell me, based on the facts, how is that observation hateful?

[hcap]

You have not changed one bit.
You lost the debate. Grow up and admit that Limpbag is a lying hateful SOB. No matter if the first quote I cited is accurate. There are tons of Limpbags' that are easily verifiable.

What Obama was advised to do is not to do is typical right wing nonsense. Obama made up his own mind. The rest of your rant is not worth much.

Later

[lsbets]

You have not changed one bit.
You lost the debate. Grow up and admit that Limpbag is a lying hateful SOB. No matter if the first quote I cited is accurate. There are tons of Limpbags' that are easily verifiable.

What Obama was advised to do is not to do is typical right wing nonsense. Obama made up his own mind. The rest of your rant is not worth much.

Later

So do you dispute any of the facts that I posted? I fail to see how I lost any debate when I showed that you posted a falsehood and I presented you with facts that you could not refute. What's next, are you gonna cry to PA again that I'm being mean to you?

[boxcar]

You asked for a hateful Limpbag quote that was authentic. I obliged.

You're one very confused individual. Limbaugh was being truthful not hateful. The Left is what the Left is -- morally bankrupt. The Left would never let a good crisis or tragedy go to waste. (Have you so quickly forgotten the former Chief of Staff's remarks?) Again, don't you remember that scientist or professor a few years ago who lamented the absence of big hurricane season? He had been hoping for big disasters so that man-made global warming could be proved.

All Rush was doing was commenting on the feeding frenzy the Left had already set into motion. The Left is full of HOPE. The Left is hoping for another crisis or tragedy on the order of 9/11. Many even referred to the BP Oil Spill as "Obama's 911". The Left believes this is what BO needs to get himself reelected in 2012.

More evidence of all this is how politicians are already looking to attack our individual liberties by assaulting the First and Second Amendments due to this tragedy.

Your incredulity rings quite hollow...

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

You have not changed one bit.
You lost the debate. Grow up and admit that Limpbag is a lying hateful SOB. No matter if the first quote I cited is accurate. There are tons of Limpbags' that are easily verifiable.

What Obama was advised to do is not to do is typical right wing nonsense. Obama made up his own mind. The rest of your rant is not worth much.

LaterLearn to size a damn image before you post one next time, will ya? You keep blowing out the page with your monstrous images...

[Tom]

You have not changed one bit.
You lost the debate. Grow up and admit that Limpbag is a lying hateful SOB. No matter if the first quote I cited is accurate. There are tons of Limpbags' that are easily verifiable.

What Obama was advised to do is not to do is typical right wing nonsense. Obama made up his own mind. The rest of your rant is not worth much.

Later

No, you lost it. Still waiting for a genuine hateful comment from Rush.
You have not come close so far. How hard can it be, with all you think he has made? :lol:

[boxcar]

This guy Loughner -- you know the guy who read Mein Kamph, The Communist Manifesto, Animal Farm, etc. -- which these and other things he read contained a common anti-government thread -- was also a Bush Hater-Truther. This was, apparently, reported in the NY Slimes and Rush picked up on this today on his show. Make no mistake about all this: What one reads can influence greatly one's thinking. The human mind absorbs garbage and it can also induce people to act it out through criminal or, generally, anti-social behaviors.

http://eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=hd6UaGSUSU

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

This guy Loughner -- you know the guy who read Mein Kamph, The Communist Manifesto, Animal Farm, etc. -- which these and other things he read contained a common anti-government thread -- was also a Bush Hater-Truther. This was, apparently, reported in the NY Slimes and Rush picked up on this today on his show. Make no mistake about all this: What one reads can influence greatly one's thinking. The human mind absorbs garbage and it can also induce people to act it out through criminal or, generally, anti-social behaviors.
Boxcar
Yeah it was reported in the Times alright, on paragraph 43. When they have some smears and lies about a right wing connection it is headline news or the subject of a high profile writer like Krugman. Oh but the Bush thing is buried in the bottom of the article.

[boxcar]

Yeah it was reported in the Times alright, on paragraph 43. When they have some smears and lies about a right wing connection it is headline news or the subject of a high profile writer like Krugman. Oh but the Bush thing is buried in the bottom of the article.

Not surprised. The Slimes and other media like them will suppress all unflattering truth for the Left. They're truly the Left's lapdogs.

Boxcar

[hcap]

This guy Loughner -- you know the guy who read Mein Kamph, The Communist Manifesto, Animal Farm, etc. -- which these and other things he read contained a common anti-government thread -- was also a Bush Hater-Truther. This was, apparently, reported in the NY Slimes and Rush picked up on this today on his show. Make no mistake about all this: What one reads can influence greatly one's thinking. The human mind absorbs garbage and it can also induce people to act it out through criminal or, generally, anti-social behaviors.
There is no evidence Loughner was politically oriented. Leftr or right. But there is a case to be made that the righties have a history of influencing more lunatics than the left, and no matter how much they play innocent lambs, their rhetoric and gun imagery, has been over the top. Anti-abortionists, neo nazis, holocaust deniers, white supremacists, and other fringe groups are much more likely to be anti-Obama and anti-government that the few incidents involving "socialists or avowed communists".

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/terror-arizona-just-another-isolated


-- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.

-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

-- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

-- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)

-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.

-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.

-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.

-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149554/why_right-wing_fearmongers_have_blood_on_their_hands/?page=entire

* An avid consumer of right-wing talk radio (notably Michael Savage) and Fox News punditry (including Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity) walks into a Knoxville church in 2008 and opens fire, killing two and wounding four, having written a manifesto declaring: "Liberals are a pest like termites. Millions of them. Each little bite contributes to the downfall of this great nation. The only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is to kill them in the streets. Kill them where they gather";

* Another avid consumer of Bill O'Reilly's columns walks into a church in 2009 (following O'Reilly's 28 on-air references to "Tiller the Baby Killer") and shoots abortion provider George Tiller in the head;

* A young Glenn Beck watcher, having been warned that President Obama intends to take his guns away, guns down three police officers in Pittsburgh in 2009 because of that fear;

* Another Glenn Beck fan, having been convinced from watching Beck's Fox show that the Tides Foundation was playing a leading role in a plot to destroy America, sets out in 2010 armed to the teeth with a plan to shoot up the Foundation's Bay Area offices, only to be short-circuited when Oakland police pull him over and he engages them in a shootout instead;

[boxcar]

'cap, I have a question for you: Do you consider talk show hosts like Rush, Beck, Savage, Boortz, Schnitt, etc, etc, etc. to be entertainers?

Boxcar

[hcap]

My usual reaction to all of them is

1-If they weren't so pathetic, they would be hilarious

2-These guys are kidding aren't they?

3-When I realize they are not, I know just how crazy you gentlemen really are.

----------------------------------------

PS:
"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." Socrates

[boxcar]

My usual reaction to all of them is

1-If they weren't so pathetic, they would be hilarious

2-These guys are kidding aren't they?

3-When I realize they are not, I know just how crazy you gentlemen really are.

Can't give a straight answer, can you? (You'd make a great liberal pol.) One more time: Do you consider these talk show guys to be entertainers?

PS:
"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." Socrates

Ol' Soc got it half right. But a half truth is what it is -- a half truth. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[hcap]

Quoting Socrates does not involve biblical blinders. Next favorite person to quote is....

"I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy sitting next to me."

Woody Allen

[boxcar]

Quoting Socrates does not involve biblical blinders. Next favorite person to quote is....

But quoting Socrates demonstrates that you're as blind as he was.

"I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy sitting next to me."
Woody Allen

Kudos to Allen. At least it can be said of him that at some time during his life he engaged in soul searching activities. But your excuse, again? :rolleyes:

Still don't want to answer my questions that I posed earlier? Whenever you can beg, borrow or steal some courage, get back to me.

Boxcar

[hcap]

See # 122. Part 3

I have to admit laughing at crazies proposing all sorts of silly fantasies can be somewhat entertaining.

Blackboards illustrating what's wrong with the universe, are almost as funny as others claiming to know the will of God.

[toetoe]

But there is a case to be made that the righties have a history of influencing more lunatics than the left, and no matter how much they play innocent lambs, their rhetoric and gun imagery, has been over the top.



No no no !!! You call yourself a commie clone ? Bah ! "... a case to be made ?" You mean "Let there be no doubt !" "Studies by Bowelsmoveon.org prove beyond question ..."

My hero King Barack has influenced and been influenced by many lunatics, but with no plans to provide access to his records and no opposition in the press, he's our hero. :kiss: . Why, just yesterday he said he was the "drum major for public service." :lol: . God, it's indecipherable, but it's so cuddly and soundbite-friendly. And Queen Michelle was painting vegetables on schoolroom walls. Not that's talent and commitment. I'm not sure of all the connections, but one of these facts facilitated yesterday's painting photo-op:

1) M.L. King lived;

2) M.L. King was murdered;

3) M.L. King's birthday was declared a holiday.



More generally, one of these events also made it possible for black people to "be here today," for a black president to be elected --- that's already worked out better than any other in history (think Zenyatta in public office), and for the Royal Couple to be slapping paint on walls in a schoolroom. Gosh, happy days are here again. :jump: .

[bigmack]

M.L. King's birthday was declared a holiday.
Yo, Bubby, that holiday comes in handy. 20% off anything black @ a surf shop in Laguna. :jump:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/mlksale.png

[boxcar]

See # 122. Part 3

I have to admit laughing at crazies proposing all sorts of silly fantasies can be somewhat entertaining.

Blackboards illustrating what's wrong with the universe, are almost as funny as others claiming to know the will of God.

And earlier you quoted Socrates as essentially saying the only evil in the world was ignorance and the only good was knowledge -- then turn right around now to mock those who have true knowledge of God and his will! :bang: :bang:

I have to think that when you're laughing at those "crazies", you have a mirror in front of you, too? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[hcap]

Ah, the 2 psuedo-linguistakakas,Toe and BM. Wrong as usual and brain fogged by their own brand of convoluted English.

See my posts 81and 120 for the facts and from # 81 my observation of the inner sanctum of PA off topic.....
I think the PA off topic Tea Party contingent is in deep denial.

Which faction on this board called Obama a traitor? Suggested an armed march on Washington, and speculated on whether or not the military would take up arms against the citizens if they rose up in reprisal against the Obama administration? Hint, it was not the Liberals.

Who call their debating opponents commies, socialists and have suggested on more than one occasion those anti-Americans should vacate the country? Not to mention all the accusations of Godlessness and the ensuing fire and brimstone and damnation from he religious right here. Sounds like pretty extreme rhetoric verging on hate don't you guys think?

[toetoe]

Yo, Bubby, that holiday comes in handy. 20% off anything black @ a surf shop in Laguna. :jump:






Dark days indeed. Thank the Unnamed Force we have the Mysterious Uniter and his demure spouse to lead us through this tough stretch. (:Bowing in humility.)

[hcap]

“It was set to detonate during a unity march on the King Holiday, so, obviously it had political or social overtones,’’ Harrill said.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/fbi_bomb_planted_along_mlk_day_parade_route_in_spo .php

A backpack bomb with the potential of killing or injuring dozens of people was found Monday along the route of a Martin Luther King Day “unity march” in downtown Spokane, Wash., authorities said today.

“It was a device that clearly was intended to harm or kill people,’’said Frank Harrill, a senior FBI agent and spokesman for the bureau’s Inland Northwest Joint Terrorism Task Force.

The FBI posted a $20,000 reward Tuesday and released three photographs, including one of the black Swiss-Army backpack that contained the destructive device.

Harrill would not discuss the type of explosive or its construction, including whether the backpack contained an explosive shield intended to spray shrapnel toward potential victims. He also declined to say if the device was intended to be detonated remotely or by a timer.

“It was set to detonate during a unity march on the King Holiday, so, obviously it had political or social overtones,’’ Harrill said.

.................................................. .........

BTW, The Spokane region and adjacent northern Idaho have had numerous incidents of anti-government and white supremacist activity during the past three decades.

Unless of course it was a devious liberal plot to blame the right for attracting white supremacist groups

[bigmack]

BTW, The Spokane region and adjacent northern Idaho have had numerous incidents of anti-government and white supremacist activity during the past three decades.
Looks like an open & shut case to your average nutcase. Like you. :jump:

[hcap]

Ok, IT WAS a devious liberal conspiracy to blame the lily white right, so virginal and pure, for drawing out the anti-government, Tim McVeigh, anti-Obama, anti-civil rights white supremacists loonies. Just like we perpetrated the grand hoax of semi-universal health care and great Kenyan Marxist president on the pure virginal innocent defenders of truth, justice and the American Way.

Spokane is also the home of extreme hippie commune loving druggies. I guess my pals Wolfie and Rainbow surreptitiously drove their VW bus up to the parade site the night before and while toking awsay on a fat joint, planted the bomb.

Well excuse me....eee!

[bigmack]

Well excuse me....eee!
Why so at the ready to point a finger of blame? Did you not learn anything from the shooting last week or are you anxious for blame to keep score?

[hcap]

This board was filled with posts blaming the left for the unfortunate shooting. But of course you guys are blind to your foibles as well as Palins'

I give as good as I get.
When I have the time.

[bigmack]

This board was filled with posts blaming the left for the unfortunate shooting.
Not as if I have any interest but just to make you feel like you've accomplished something point me to three amongst the "filled with posts."

[hcap]

You re joking? Go back to the beginning of this thread for starters. And need I remind you of the title of this very thread you are on feigning innocence?

Malkin and the hate from the left

And then we have this thread

As the Left Wingnuts Turn

where we have boxcar announcg

"It's sad to see that the Left is becoming increasingly unhinged right before our eyes "

And thereafter Ton and Ralph..

01-16-2011, 07:16 PM #11
Tom
Wearing panties points to the left for me!


01-17-2011, 01:50 AM #12

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Wearing panties points to the left for me!


Tom, You're a real :Pistol!!

Anything else DR Freud?

[bigmack]

Anything else DR Freud?
Do you have comprehension problems or are you coming unglued? You said "This board was filled with posts blaming the left for the unfortunate shooting." NOT the amount of hate that comes from the left or panties. :lol:

You are stone cold nuts. Try & focus.

[hcap]

You are hopeless.

All of these threads were started by your wingnut compadres shortly after the shooting. All blame the left and/or Onama

Malkin and the hate from the left

Did Obama apologize for hateful rhetoric today?

As the Left Wingnuts Turn


The Opportunistic Liar


Never let a crisis go to waste

[bigmack]

What a dunce. Point to more than one post that backs up - "This board was filled with posts blaming the left for the unfortunate shooting."

Just try and focus on the bold section. Don't try and tie one to the other like your dopey Spokane conclusion.

Ya know, blaming for the unfortunate shooting. Just one post, not innuendo or panties. :rolleyes:

[rastajenk]

Nothing beats waking up to a Big Mac smackdown of Hcap. Most of these thread titles would never have been pixelated if not for the immediate, rash, and false accusations of linkage between the shooter and Tea Party activism. Even when it was clear there was no linkage, the leftoids continued on with, "Well, it could happen, so we still need to have this conversation about civility in political discourse." The left knows no shame.

[hcap]

Those threads are started with and full of PA rightwing criticisms of the left. I am amazed you think this board is anything but extremely tilted in your direction. It is.

The shooting in Arizona is just the latest subject of blame to pin on the left or Obama for all the evils in the world. Boxcar may not be able to help himself. Not sure about the rest of you.

[rastajenk]

I agree with the assertion that at this time this forum skews right. I also agree with Bigmack that the contention that "the board is filled with post blaming the left" is completely off base. If you can't understand that simple distinction, then you're not quite so smart as you obviously think you are.

[hcap]

The titles of the threads I listed pretty much proves my point. Without having to cite each instance where boxcar found another excuse to call me a Marxist or commie, or Godless. Or Tom to call Obama and Pelosi traitors. Or the constant disparaging of unions and working poor. Not only does the board tilt right, it snickers in unison at the left.

The Arizona shooting is just the latest. I waited days before I began to counter the righty crap of leftwing hate being somehow the culprit.

The first post of tyhis thread started by Ralph states:
JustRalph

Malkin and the hate from the left
Malkin pulls no punches when it comes to left wing hate
I am not imaging what is obvious.

[rastajenk]

One more time..........r e a l l y s l o w l y:

Left wing hatred and/or uncivility in political discourse did not cause the shooting. The board is not "filled with" any such claims.


Left wing hatred was revealed, was brought out into the open, was on display by the left wing itself as a result of the massacre. This forum does include many such claims.

This seems to be obvious to everyone but you, and maybe Boxcar, who's in his own orbital path, but it's obvious to everyone else with a lick of sense.

[hcap]

What the hell are you babbling about?
Read the Malkin article that launched this thread.

Not exactly Non-hate. Part VIII culminates with so-called left wing hate crimes. After all the previous parts point out the so-called climate of left wing hate.

The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010
By Michelle Malkin • January 10, 2011 03:19 AM

The Tucson massacre ghouls who are now trying to criminalize conservatism have forced our hand.

They need to be reminded. You need to be reminded.

Confront them. Don’t be cowed into silence.

And don’t let the media whitewash the sins of the hypocritical Left in their naked attempt to suppress the law-abiding, constitutionally-protected, peaceful, vigorous political speech of the Right.

They want to play tu quo que in the middle of a national tragedy? They asked for it. They got it.

The progressive climate of hate: A comprehensive illustrated primer in 8 parts:

I. PALIN HATE
II. BUSH HATE
III. MISC. TEA PARTY/GOP/ANTI-TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE HATE
IV. ANTI-CONSERVATIVE FEMALE HATE
V. LEFT-WING MOB HATE — campus, anti-war radicals, ACORN, eco-extremists, & unions
VI. OPEN-BORDERS HATE
VII. ANTI-MILITARY HATE
VIII. HATE: CRIMES — the ever-growing Unhinged Mugshot Collection

[rastajenk]

Exactly. How does that buttress your point? Whatever it is anymore, I can hardly tell. Except that right wingers suck.

[hcap]

Exactly. How does that buttress your point? Whatever it is anymore, I can hardly tell. Except that right wingers suck.Malkins article is defended all thru this thread. And this thread is full of "hate from the left" remark. Yes, frequently there is a disclaimer pointing out the shooter was deranged, but the very next sentence says something along these lines.....

Boxcar is a constant His post # 16

"The Left, however, thrives on hate. The only ones who can't see it are those who swim in its pool. Hate to the Left is a natural to them as water is to fish."

Boxcar is not the only one to take this tact.

Here is ARLjim78 post# 29

"Just to be clear, I think the only person responsible for the horrific events in Tucson is the deranged kid that did the shooting. I also think that Giffords is a model citizen and an excellent representative for her district.

But I'm just wondering if the lunatic left and their scumbag media lapdogs will cite the above quote from Giffords as an example of hateful rhetoric, the kind of rhetoric that leads to this kind of shooting? Will they go after her now, will they blame her for inciting violence?"

[dartman51]

If you want to consider the hate, then we MUST blame the MAINSTREAM MEDIA, on the threat against the Tea Party speaker from one of the shooting victims. After all, all he has heard from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSMBC, is how the Tea Party and Sarah Palin, and Glenn Beck and others on the right, are responsible for the shooting. After all, if I had been shot, I would certainly go after those responsible. Just using Hcaps logic. :rolleyes:

[lsbets]

This board was filled with posts blaming the left for the unfortunate shooting. But of course you guys are blind to your foibles as well as Palins'

I give as good as I get.
When I have the time.

You have still failed to show one post blaming the left for the shooting, although you did point to many posts showing the hypocrisy of the left as they tried to score political points from the shooting.

Please show one post that says the left is responsible for this shooting to back up your contention.

[bigmack]

Like leading a horse to water how about if we show hcap the type of words he should be looking for as shown by his dear, like-minded chums, Krugman & Co., less than a day after the shootings. Here's a very small sampling.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/HEADLINES.jpg

[rastajenk]

All those examples are dated Jan 8 or 9; the Malkin piece was posted Jan 10.

Aside from the killer himself, who threw the first punch? It wasn't the rabid right.

And another thing...what's up with this choice of words: "unfortunate shooting?"

A kid drops his book bag in school, gun goes off, girl gets hit in the head. That could be an unfortunate shooting. Dick Cheney was involved in an unfortunate shooting. This is like Pelosi calling it a "tragic accident." Very weak use of the language for someone who thinks of himself as more educated than the rest of us rubes.

[hcap]

Look, I countered the nonsense spouted by you gentlemen. Exaggerated claim about the lefts' influence.

Gun imagery, misguided rhetoric about taking back the country, anti-government and anti-Obama, white supremacists right wing loonies are much more numerous than Malkins' fantasies about left wing extremists

[bigmack]

Look, I countered the nonsense spouted by you gentlemen. Exaggerated claim about the lefts' influence.
No you didn't. You were too ignorant to understand the difference between pointing out that hate rhetoric exists on both sides. NOT that anyone was responsible for the 'unfortunate shootings' from the left as your camp so grossly did within hours of said shootings.

Do yourself a favor. Curl your tail between your legs, turn around, and step off.

[toetoe]

Hcap,

I thank you for the wonderfully euphemistic lilt of "abortion provider." :lol: . How about "womb room expander ?" Let's see ... Hitler and Stalin, as prefigurers of Paul Ehrlich's globally moist dream, the defusing of "The Population Bomb [ :rolleyes: ], might be called world density relaxers. How about Orenthal James Simpson, on his first date with Miss Brown, as a facilitator of clothing alterations (he'll tear your jeans apart, Nicole --- while you wait !) and a good source of all the carnitine "Lil Nicole" might ever need ? And a firing squad might be a means of free transportation to "a better place." Another one I love: a woman's right to choose. Period. End of story. :lol: .



Okay, I know "terminator," "aborter" or "abortionist" would offend the worshippers of The Sterile Cuckoo. Might we consider calling the gentleman a uterine evacuation engineer ? A specialist in chattel liquidation ?

Who knows ? These things may come true, although they are likely to remain hcap-ocryphal. :bang: .

[ElKabong]

Gun imagery, misguided rhetoric about taking back the country, anti-government and anti-Obama, white supremacists right wing loonies .....

Now, now. Robert Byrd is no longer with us. Be nice...

[JustRalph]

Now, now. Robert Byrd is no longer with us. Be nice...

yeah, but you can visit 300 bridges and 100 buildings named after him in West ByGod Virginia

[hcap]

Terrorism directed at 'liberal' and 'government' targets since July 2008: An interactive map


http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/violence-directed-liberal-and-govern

[Tom]

Did you read the descriptions?
Lots of them are a reach.

[boxcar]

Did you read the descriptions?
Lots of them are a reach.

That "reach" you think you see is the Left reaching out across the aisle to the Right. :D

Boxcar

[hcap]

Hey, this thread started with total bogus Malkin bullshit. I find the incidents of right wing violence more vile, more numerous and better documented. No equivalence. You guys are even cited by the Dept of Homeland Security as a real threat.

[rastajenk]

Well, I guess that makes it true then. Not a whiff of politics involved in that announcement, was there?

[Tom]

Hey, this thread started with total bogus Malkin bullshit. I find the incidents of right wing violence more vile, more numerous and better documented. No equivalence. You guys are even cited by the Dept of Homeland Security as a real threat.

Oh yeah, HS with it's glowing record of success. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[hcap]

Oh yeah, HS with it's glowing record of success. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Ok, how many evil greenoies and tree huggers are packing automatics.

From that DHS report....

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Rightwing Extremism: Current
Economic and Political Climate Fueling
Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment


....Anti-immigration: “Rightwing extremist groups’ frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence. If such violence were to occur, it likely would be isolated, small-scale, and directed at specific immigration-related targets.”


Recruiting returning vets: “Rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to xploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat.”

Gun-related violence: “Heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms...may be invigorating rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements.”

....Unlike the earlier period, the advent of the Internet and other information-age technologies since the 1990s has given domestic extremists greater access to information related to bomb-making, weapons training, and tactics, as well as targeting of
individuals, organizations, and facilities, potentially making extremist individuals and
groups more dangerous and the consequences of their violence more severe. New technologies also permit domestic extremists to send and receive encrypted communications and to network with other extremists throughout the country and abroad,
making it much more difficult for law enforcement to deter, prevent, or preempt a violent extremist attack.

[prospector]

for someone who shows a peace sign as an avatar, you sure are filled with a lot of hate...lighten up :)

[lsbets]

Ok, how many evil greenoies and tree huggers are packing automatics.

From that DHS report....

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

1 second answer off the top of my head - unibomber, discovery channel, IRS plane dude.

[Tom]

DHS - Mexico's greatest Allie!

[boxcar]

Ok, how many evil greenoies and tree huggers are packing automatics.

From that DHS report....

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Yeah, a report put together under the current Marxist regime. :rolleyes: Surely, you didn't expect a report that would put the Left in an unfavorable light, did you? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

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[boxcar]

E3ctO7fdrcc

Racism at its worst!

Boxcar

[skate]

Birding Supplies...

yeah, but you can visit 300 bridges and 100 buildings named after him in West ByGod Virginia

Welp...I'm thinking "how does one;) Know that".?

Are they(Klan) still making those signs in Kannapolis?

[ElKabong]

For the libs here that didn't click on Ralph's video, several liberal demonstrators said Clarence Thomas should be "strung up" or "hanged". One even said Thomas' wife should be strung up.

That's the face of liberalism today. The "They bring a knife, I bring a gun" mindset hasn't gone away. Very well

[BlueShoe]

for someone who shows a peace sign as an avatar, you sure are filled with a lot of hate...lighten up :)
Just for the record, the so called "peace symbol" is anything but. Its origins are pagan and anti Christian, as represented by the broken cross. It also can be linked to Communism. This evil sign is just that, evil. For decades gullible leftists have adored it, not knowing that in reality it represented paganism and Marxism.

[JustRalph]

All the liberal hate this weekend is aimed at Ron Reagan. A slight deviation for a few days.

He only won 49 states in his last election. Surely he wasnt popular and was a great myth That never existed

[boxcar]

All the liberal hate this weekend is aimed at Ron Reagan. A slight deviation for a few days.

He only won 49 states in his last election. Surely he wasnt popular and was a great myth That never existed

49 / 57 is only 85.9% or if we go by the implications to Obama's huge gaffe only 81.6% (if there are as many as 60 states in the Union). Either way, no biggie. :D

Boxcar

[Tom]

With the complete failures of Obama and Clinton in action this week, and the world laughing at these two incompetents, there is little for a lib/prog/dem to be happy about.

I can imaging the mood in terror training camps is extremely positive lately.

[dartman51]

E3ctO7fdrcc

DAMN!!!! Was that a Tea Party rally I missed out on??? All that hate and racism, it just had to be a Tea Party, right?????:confused:

I wonder how soon that would have been on NBC, ABC, CBS, and MSMBC, if a Tea Party goer would have mentioned hanging a black man? :bang:

[JustRalph]

Liberal sugary words abound. ****content warning

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x369975

[JustRalph]

http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/10/wisconsin-republicans-get-death-threats

From: XXXX
Sent: Wed 3/9/2011 9:18 PM
To: Sen.Kapanke; Sen.Darling; Sen.Cowles; Sen.Ellis; Sen.Fitzgerald; Sen.Galloway; Sen.Grothman; Sen.Harsdorf; Sen.Hopper; Sen.Kedzie; Sen.Lasee; Sen.Lazich; Sen.Leibham; Sen.Moulton; Sen.Olsen
Subject: Atten: Death threat!!!! Bomb!!!!

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell.



Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/10/wisconsin-republicans-get-death-threats#ixzz1GEvbNmE6

[PaceAdvantage]

And they say the Tea Party is full of bad eggs... :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Where all those high and might lefites and their outrage over this?
Sec go back under his rock?

[JustRalph]

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[ArlJim78]

You've heard that Sarah Palin makes their heads explode on the left. Well we very nearly got to see it happen live on camera at the Palin speech in Wisconsin on Saturday. Check out this union rage guy.

w_RkyMZ9D9A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_RkyMZ9D9A&feature=player_embedded

[mostpost]

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IURPRHVuqvM

I think they were booing the singer, who sucked. Next time get a progressive to sing the Anthem at your events.

[johnhannibalsmith]

... Next time get a progressive to sing the Anthem at your events.

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[mostpost]

ls1YVhcLD2c
My original read

Next time get a progressive, except Roseanne, to sing the Anthem at your events.

Anyway, that's how I remember it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Point. game, set and match to Johnhannibalsmith.

[toetoe]

Those videos are out of context. :eek:

[BlueShoe]

Next time get a progressive, except Roseanne, to sing the Anthem at your events.
A "progressive" would just as likely sing the Internationale as they would the Anthem. :rolleyes: