NYRA averts Walkout

[Southieboy]

http://drf.com/news/jockeys-upset-slow-response-paddock-accident

[Saratoga_Mike]

Cohen said that during the post parade for the sixth race he approached one of the EMTs and asked why they didn’t come to the paddock to help.

“They made the statement it was not their job to help so that’s also a big concern,” Cohen said.

If they really responded that way, wow.

[Tom]

Inexcusable - fire everyone of the EMTs on duty and hire a responsible outfit.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Inexcusable - fire everyone of the EMTs on duty and hire a responsible outfit.

My bet is they're unionized and "it isn't their job."

[therussmeister]

Inexcusable - fire everyone of the EMTs on duty and hire a responsible outfit.
Or just make it a part of their job description.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Or just make it a part of their job description.

It's part of acting like a human being.

[Run Nicholas Run]

kicked in the nuts and they cant help the kid, thats poor and they
should be canned.

Thats as bad as the ambulance that went right by a fallen
Dennis Collins at Yavapai downs on the last day of the past meet
and didnt go back to collins ( unseated on the far turn) until the
last horse crossed the finish line.

[Shelby]

Not part of their job???? :faint: Isn't that what they're there for????

[Tom]

Who do they think they, snow plow drivers?

[PhantomOnTour]

Kudos to Dave Cohen for actually doing something. He covered Junior in a blanket and carried him into the jocks room where he went into shock.

The EMT's were probably just a bunch of chicks that don't know about a kick to the goodies, and what that feels like...chicks, man :D :rolleyes:

[NY BRED]

let's see: A jockey is supposed to keep a horse out of harms way,
but if he is injured it is "all bets off"???

Message to Junior: Hire an Attorney ASAP, you are a 1-9 favorite
if you sue NYRA as a result of a pain&suffering /professional liability
lawsuit..

[joanied]

I couldn't beleive it when I read that article...thank goodness Cohen was there:ThmbUp: ...what I want to know is just exactly where the EMT's were...don't they have EMT's right in or very near to the paddock...obviously it's a place where accidents happen all the time (I'm actually surprised more folks don't get kicked in the paddock) so if they are there, why didn't they do their f'n jobs:mad: ...
bet Saratoga Mike is right...gotta be union workers, probably taking one of a dozen coffee breaks they take everyday!

IMO, it's up the the track to be 110% certain they have EMT's on site, where the accidents are likely to happen (paddock) and are people that give a $hit about doing their job and doing it right...so, shame on the track managment, fire every EMT that was supposed to be doing their jobs, and if possible, file a claim against the company the EMT's are working for.

Oh..PhantomOnTour...I know you are being funny with that 'chicks' thing, right?...and by the way, a woman getting kicked 'there' is also in tremendous pain...just sayin' :)

[PhantomOnTour]

I couldn't beleive it when I read that article...thank goodness Cohen was there:ThmbUp: ...what I want to know is just exactly where the EMT's were...don't they have EMT's right in or very near to the paddock...obviously it's a place where accidents happen all the time (I'm actually surprised more folks don't get kicked in the paddock) so if they are there, why didn't they do their f'n jobs:mad: ...
bet Saratoga Mike is right...gotta be union workers, probably taking one of a dozen coffee breaks they take everyday!

IMO, it's up the the track to be 110% certain they have EMT's on site, where the accidents are likely to happen (paddock) and are people that give a $hit about doing their job and doing it right...so, shame on the track managment, fire every EMT that was supposed to be doing their jobs, and if possible, file a claim against the company the EMT's are working for.

Oh..PhantomOnTour...I know you are being funny with that 'chicks' thing, right?...and by the way, a woman getting kicked 'there' is also in tremendous pain...just sayin' :)

Yup...just having a lil fun. No chauvinism intended :ThmbUp:

By the way, the article said the other med personnel were responding to an incident in the grandstand somewhere when Junior was injured.

[therussmeister]

It's part of acting like a human being.
There may be some very serious financial repercussions if they goof up whilst doing something that is not part of their job description. Malpractice insurance, (if EMT's have such a thing), may not cover it.

[PaceAdvantage]

There may be some very serious financial repercussions if they goof up whilst doing something that is not part of their job description. Malpractice insurance, (if EMT's have such a thing), may not cover it.BINGO! EXACTLY my thoughts.

Something tells me the EMTs out on the track for the races are not supposed to take care of anyone else...this includes a fan dying in the stands or a jockey in the paddock.

Doesn't make a lot of sense, I know, but neither does a lot of malpractice lawsuits.

[cj]

BINGO! EXACTLY my thoughts.

Something tells me the EMTs out on the track for the races are not supposed to take care of anyone else...this includes a fan dying in the stands or a jockey in the paddock.

Doesn't make a lot of sense, I know, but neither does a lot of malpractice lawsuits.

I'm no expert, but I don't think a licensed EMT has much to worry about if he is trying his best to help someone in need of care. I know doctors take an oath to help, not sure about EMTs. Maybe this will help?

http://theemtspot.com/2009/04/02/the-emt-code-of-ethics/

[joanied]

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Yup...just having a lil fun. No chauvinism intended :ThmbUp:

By the way, the article said the other med personnel were responding to an incident in the grandstand somewhere when Junior was injured.

Good, that's what I thought:)

I missed that part of the article, thanks for the heads up...and if that's the case, then NYRA needs to hire a few more medical personel...seems to me they HAVE to have at least one EMT IN the paddock at ALL times...what if Junior had been kicked in the head?

Bad situation all around, and one NYRA needs to address right away.

[Saratoga_Mike]

BINGO! EXACTLY my thoughts.

Something tells me the EMTs out on the track for the races are not supposed to take care of anyone else...this includes a fan dying in the stands or a jockey in the paddock.

Doesn't make a lot of sense, I know, but neither does a lot of malpractice lawsuits.

"According to NYRA officials, security personnel in the paddock attempted to radio the EMTs on the third floor, but those EMTs did not hear the initial call. EMTs stationed in two ambulances on the tack are on a different frequency and did not hear the initial call. Those personnel were also slow to respond to calls from the stewards." DRF.com, 1/9/11

I doesn't appear that liability concerns were an issue.

[NY BRED]

It is a given that horse racing is either THE most dangerous sport,
or one of the most dangerous sports for jockeys and horses.

Were a champion horse or a cheap claimer injured, there are emergency procedures in dealing with injury on the track or in the paddock by the local
track vet.

If a Jockey is injured during a race, or during Post parade,the Jock is
taken to a hospital unless he feels he is able to ride on mounts he
has secured for the balance of the card.

These are standard procedures all tracks follow in tandem with inspecting the
track surface to provide, as best as possible, a safe environment for
rider and horse.It is also imperative to provide these services in event
litigation arises out of injury to horse and animal to confirm due
dilligence was performed to provide a safe environment.

With this in mind, how can the track have allowed this scenario to
have occured.What would happen if David Cohen and other Jockeys
did not assist Junior A?

Or , is there a cutoff on responsibility between injury in the Paddock vs
the Track??

This is another mess for racing and NYRA.

[Saratoga_Mike]

I don't fault NYRA. In fact, they've responded very quickly (please see attached link). If David Cohen's version of the story is correct, I blame the EMTs.

http://www.drf.com/news/nyra-makes-procedure-changes-after-paddock-incident

[PaceAdvantage]

"According to NYRA officials, security personnel in the paddock attempted to radio the EMTs on the third floor, but those EMTs did not hear the initial call. EMTs stationed in two ambulances on the tack are on a different frequency and did not hear the initial call. Those personnel were also slow to respond to calls from the stewards." DRF.com, 1/9/11

I doesn't appear that liability concerns were an issue.I find it odd that the EMTs on track, when finally notified, were "slow to respond...."

[cj]

I don't fault NYRA. In fact, they've responded very quickly (please see attached link). If David Cohen's version of the story is correct, I blame the EMTs.

http://www.drf.com/news/nyra-makes-procedure-changes-after-paddock-incident

I don't see how anyone could blame NYRA.

[Saratoga_Mike]

I find it odd that the EMTs on track, when finally notified, were "slow to respond...."

It's consistent with David Cohen's statement, but it is still odd. At most tracks, the outriders, EMTs, jocks and exercise riders are all usually very quick to report or respond to someone in distress.

[Saratoga_Mike]

I don't see how anyone could blame NYRA.

Some of the posts seemed to be going down that path. I agree with you.

[PaceAdvantage]

There seems to be enough blame to go around...even NYRA's way...for instance, why in the world would there be EMTs on the third floor, so far away from the action? Where are they most likely to be needed? Where the action is...on the track and in the paddock...

Looks like that mistake has been corrected.

[Dahoss9698]

Some of the posts seemed to be going down that path.

Shocking...

[Cardus]

Oh, so its not OK to make a joke about the EMTs being "chicks", but it is OK to make fun of union workers and their numerous "coffee breaks"?

What a load of hypocrisy.

Nothing new.

[Cardus]

It's Internet Land, I get it, but shouldn't the words in a thread title be spelled correctly?

[PaceAdvantage]

There seems to be enough blame to go around...even NYRA's way...for instance, why in the world would there be EMTs on the third floor, so far away from the action? Where are they most likely to be needed? Where the action is...on the track and in the paddock...

Looks like that mistake has been corrected.I've been informed that the reason some EMTs are on the 3rd floor is because (and I should have figured this on my own), EMTs attend to more patrons than jockeys, obviously, on a day in and day out basis...thus there was good reason to have EMTs on the third floor....

My bad.

[SaratogaSteve]

I've been informed that the reason some EMTs are on the 3rd floor is because (and I should have figured this on my own), EMTs attend to more patrons than jockeys, obviously, on a day in and day out basis...thus there was good reason to have EMTs on the third floor....

My bad.

Let's pause the impending crucifixion for a moment...from the DRF:

EMTs are also based in a trailer at the front of the track, but initial reports were that they were tending to a situation on the third floor at the time of Alvarado’s incident, according to Hayward.
Hayward said he understood why the riders threatened not to finish the card.

[Cardus]

Just another thread where people go off half-cocked without understanding the situtation and procedures.

[PaceAdvantage]

Let's pause the impending crucifixion for a moment...from the DRF:

Yes, but...

Second, the EMT functions will be centralized in a “command post” that will be in the first-aid trailer outside the grandstand. With the construction of the casino forcing the relocation of some first-floor offices - including first-aid - those functions had recently been moved to the third floor. There will no longer be any EMT personnel positioned on the third floor.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Just another thread where people go off half-cocked without understanding the situtation and procedures.

It seems like IF Cohen's statements from the EMTs were correct, the EMTs were less than diligent in this matter.

[Milleruszk]

I find it odd that the EMTs on track, when finally notified, were "slow to respond...."

Unfortunately this type of incident involving EMTs is not so odd. There was a case in NYC in December 09 involving EMTs who would not provide help to a woman in a coffee shop. They were on their break in the coffee shop, refused to help and told the other patrons to call 911.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/EMTS-Suspended-After-Leaving-Pregnant-Woman-to-Die-79860937.html refusing to provide assistance.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Unfortunately this type of incident involving EMTs is not so odd. There was a case in NYC in December 09 involving EMTs who would not provide help to a woman in a coffee shop. They were on their break in the coffee shop, refused to help and told the other patrons to call 911.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/EMTS-Suspended-After-Leaving-Pregnant-Woman-to-Die-79860937.html refusing to provide assistance.

That's disturbing (as was the case yesterday at AQU assuming Cohen's version of the story is correct), but I suspect the vast majority of EMTs do their very best to help people in a very timely manner.

[Linny]

There seems to be enough blame to go around...even NYRA's way...for instance, why in the world would there be EMTs on the third floor, so far away from the action? Where are they most likely to be needed? Where the action is...on the track and in the paddock...

Looks like that mistake has been corrected.


Either way, the EMT's stationed a couple of furlongs away on the track should have been down there to help.
BTW, I have watched Cohen since he got to NY last winter and liked him all along. I met him last summer and thought he was a bright guy and very nice. I am not surprised that he took the initiative here. he is an asset to the jocks room and long term I see him as a great spokesman for the game.

[cj]

Either way, the EMT's stationed a couple of furlongs away on the track should have been down there to help.
BTW, I have watched Cohen since he got to NY last winter and liked him all along. I met him last summer and thought he was a bright guy and very nice. I am not surprised that he took the initiative here. he is an asset to the jocks room and long term I see him as a great spokesman for the game.

Seriously? He is a terrible rider, and dangerous as well.

[JustRalph]

A stupid question ? Does Aqu have a PA announcer? I have never been there. Is Durkin able to make track wide announcements ? Why didn't they have Durkin make an announcement requesting medical personnel to the paddock?

Or maybe they did? Was anybody actually there ?

Just wondering?

[NY BRED]

This thread is really becoming bizzare.

If the EMT(s)? were treating a spectator/fan/employee why couldn't they have been alerted by track secuirty to get one of "theirs" to treat
JA?

OR, why couldn't NYRA get one of their people to get a stretcher, and get JA
into the jockey's room to await medical aid.


BTW. doing ZERO is an act of negligence on the part of the track.


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[Dahoss9698]

This thread is really becoming bizzare.


Indeed it is. With each of your proceeding posts I'm wondering if you are just ignoring the information people are posting because you truly don't see it or it's an agenda. I took even money on an agenda.

The thing is, anyone who has any experience working for or running a business can attest, things come up. It's how the business reacts to the things that come up that matters. In a perfect world nothing bad would ever happen and everything would run smoothly all of the time. It's just not realistic. There was a mistake made (not NYRA's fault) and it was responded to almost immediately and the following day a procedure was put into place so something like this cannot happen again.

[Fat Syd]

I agree NYRA made the necessary changes to make the work environment safer and they did it immediately. That doesn't mean that they should be insolated from valid constructive criticism. People should keep it to that and leave their agenda to themselves.

[joanied]

Well, let's hope that whatever procedures they have now put in place will work so if there is a next time who ever is hurt will be tended to in a timely manner...if tracks, as a matter of routine, do not have an EMT in the paddock, then now is the time to implement a rule to have at least one medical person in the paddock everyday.

Does anyone have any news on the condition of Junior A? I just hope after all is said and done, that he comes out of this OK.

[Grits]

http://www.drf.com/news/nyra-makes-procedure-changes-after-paddock-incident

[joanied]

Thanks for posting that story, Grits....answered all the questions and very happy to know that they acted quickly (which they should have done) to get things right.
It's just lucky that Junior didn't sustain injuries that would have been maybe life threatening or that would have kept him from riding for a length of time...I'm glad he'll be OK and start riding again...
and now the folks in the paddock will have help the minute they need it from now on:ThmbUp:

All's well that ends well:)

[NY BRED]

DH:

It is an agenda, aka/due dilligence.

If any owner,or prominent trainer sustained an injury in the paddock
and had to be escorted away many more heads would roll.

And by the way, Owners have to provide workers compensation
to protect themselves against injury to jockeys, and should carry liability
insurance to cover injury to a Jockey if their horse injures a third party.

It appears this injury is ultimately not life threatening,but if it was,
based upon the lack of response, this would have cost NYRA
not $$ and further bad press.

It is an agenda to insure crap like this doesn't
happen again.

[Dahoss9698]

DH:

It is an agenda, aka/due dilligence.

If any owner,or prominent trainer sustained an injury in the paddock
and had to be escorted away many more heads would roll.

And by the way, Owners have to provide workers compensation
to protect themselves against injury to jockeys, and should carry liability
insurance to cover injury to a Jockey if their horse injures a third party.

It appears this injury is ultimately not life threatening,but if it was,
based upon the lack of response, this would have cost NYRA
not $$ and further bad press.

It is an agenda to insure crap like this doesn't
happen again.

Didn't NYRA already make the necessary changes so this can't happen again? Why are you purposely ignoring this?

[OTM Al]

Didn't NYRA already make the necessary changes so this can't happen again? Why are you purposely ignoring this?

I'm still trying to figure out what costing "NYRA not $$" is actually supposed to mean. Bad press of course is a given ever since NYRA created AIDS.