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rwwupl
12-16-2010, 05:30 PM
Highlights of CHRB meeting 12-16-10


Dispute over meaning of new S/B1072.(takeout raise). everyone (takeout recipients) wants a share but the bill says all new money goes to horsemen s purses, to be continued.

ADW licenses problem because labor agreements not complete,Licenses extended to end of January, Twin Spires has not agreed to return new money from 1072 to California...to be continued to Jan. meeting


Jerry Jamgotchian accused T.V.G. of selling California signal over seas and not paying California. Chairman to read response from T.V.G. ... later.

California Fairs want T.V.G. to show some harness races from California, instead they show harness from other states. CHRB to send letter of support for California harness to T.V.G.

Van and Stabling program needs new criteria for supporting horse men who race and not those who just get space.. complaint by San Luis Rey Downs that they did not get their share of money. Chairman Brackpool wants stats at next meeting and better model. HOOORAY

Closed session meeting after..

See transcript at CHRB website when available.

andymays
12-16-2010, 05:39 PM
Thanks for the report Roger. :ThmbUp:

InsideThePylons-MW
12-16-2010, 05:53 PM
Highlights of CHRB meeting 12-16-10


Dispute over meaning of new S/B1072.(takeout raise). everyone (takeout recipients) wants a share but the bill says all new money goes to horsemen s purses, to be continued.

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Horseplayersbet.com
12-16-2010, 05:55 PM
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I think the is finally donned on the track owners that if handle drops 15%, purse accounts will be at earlier levels, and they will absorb the entire 15% loss without a partner.

DeanT
12-16-2010, 07:32 PM
I think it has finally donned on the track owners that if handle drops 15%, purse accounts will be at earlier levels, and they will absorb the entire 15% loss without a partner.

Ding, ding ding!!!

Or in keeping with the theme .........

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Stillriledup
12-16-2010, 08:35 PM
SLR is complaining?

Maybe the CHRB can mandate that any horse who is stabled and in training at SLR needs to have one published workout at a track that actually has clockers.

:eek:

andymays
12-16-2010, 09:00 PM
CHRB gives account wagering firms one month license extensions | Daily Racing Form

http://www.drf.com/news/chrb-gives-account-wagering-firms-one-month-license-extensions

Excerpt:

Twinspires.com vice president Brad Blackwell said that his company is “discussing” whether to dedicate all additional revenue earned from the soon to be enacted takeout increase on exotic wagers on California races toward purses in the state, something the other account wagering companies told the racing board they were willing to do.

Excerpt:

“We all hold hands together and jump,” he said, directing his comments toward Blackwell. “You don’t get to jump separately.”

andymays
12-16-2010, 09:04 PM
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2010/12/16/chrb-extends-adw-applications-one-month.aspx

Excerpt:

“I’m amazed,” board member Jesse Choper said. “This is not a second- or third-grade playground. This is serious business.”

A key issue appears to be California’s recent 2% to 3% increase in takeout on exotic wagers in the state. That money is to be used solely for increasing purse amounts, and the board views that as a benefit to racing in California by increasing field sizes.

Blackwell, however, contended it is unfair to Churchill Downs, which does not have an ownership interest in any California tracks. XpressBet is a subsidiary of MI Developments Corp., which owns Santa Anita and Golden Gate Fields.

andymays
12-16-2010, 09:19 PM
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/60381/california-adw-companies-get-30-day-extension

Excerpt:

Board members also wanted assurances that the ADW providers would return the full 2% or 3% increase in California takeout going into effect on exotic wagers that is intended to enhance overnight purses. TVG and XpressBet representatives said they will comply, but Twinspires vice president Brian Blackwell said that "discussions were ongoing."

Excerpt:

"There is a great deal of debate … about whether an increase in takeout will help," Brackpool said. "We had to do something. The increase in purses promotes the possibility of fuller fields. If we have fuller fields, it will benefit the entire horse racing industry, including ADWs (through stronger handle)

Read more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/60381/california-adw-companies-get-30-day-extension#ixzz18KMaPDZL

DeanT
12-16-2010, 09:37 PM
Ah, infighting. I'm shocked!

BTW, anyone up for the PAIHL HANA team? It's plugged on the blog, so anyone who wants to help out and win all that cash (it'll buy a few steaks at Malones this spring!) please sign up.

http://blog.horseplayersassociation.org/2010/12/pace-tournies-horrid-ca-handle-charts.html

rwwupl
12-16-2010, 11:00 PM
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/60381/california-adw-companies-get-30-day-extension

Excerpt:

Board members also wanted assurances that the ADW providers would return the full 2% or 3% increase in California takeout going into effect on exotic wagers that is intended to enhance overnight purses. TVG and XpressBet representatives said they will comply, but Twinspires vice president Brian Blackwell said that "discussions were ongoing."

Excerpt:

"There is a great deal of debate … about whether an increase in takeout will help," Brackpool said. "We had to do something. The increase in purses promotes the possibility of fuller fields. If we have fuller fields, it will benefit the entire horse racing industry, including ADWs (through stronger handle)

Read more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/60381/california-adw-companies-get-30-day-extension#ixzz18KMaPDZL


This story makes Santa Anita look foolish...Gulfstream looks like they want business, with a revamped betting menu that is sure to draw interest from core players.. This may be the begining of a economic "war" that will force California to act to meet competition...

Strange, Santa Anita and Gulfstream are both controlled by Frank Stronach.

Three cheers for Steve Calabro, President of Gulfstream.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/60382/gulfstream-making-betting-more-affordable

excerpt:



Wagering Menu

Gulfstream’s Pick 5 will have 15% takeout, which it calls a “record low.”

It will add an early Pick 4, on the second to fifth races. The minimum bet will be 50 cents, the same as on the holdover Pick 4 on the last four races. Gulfstream will again have rolling Daily Doubles and Pick 3s.

It is considering the addition of rolling superfectas, said Tim Ritvo, MID’s vice president of East Coast racing which includes Gulfstream.

Win, Place, Show, Daily Double, Exacta, Trifecta, Superfecta and Pick 3s will be a $1 minimum wager.

But for many on-track, simulcast and ADW bettors, the biggest attention will be on the New Pick 5 and the low Pick 6 minimum that will in effect open that wager to bettors who feel that a $2 minimum, with part-wheels, is not affordable.

“We’re optimistic and excited about the new wagers we’re introducing and the fact Gulfstream will be offering many of the lowest takeouts in the country,” said Steve Calabro, President and GM of Gulfstream Park. “We think the Pick 5, Pick4’s and 10 cent Pick 6 creates more opportunities for our fanRead more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/60382/gulfstream-making-betting-more-affordable#ixzz18Km4cHnx

Horseplayersbet.com
12-17-2010, 11:35 AM
So, Twinspires doesn't want to pay the full extra signal fee of 2% on exes and dd's and 3% on all other exotics citing they don't have an interest in California tracks like Xpressbet does. Of note, there are many other ADWs that take California product as well as well that have no interest in tracks as well.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Twinspires seems to be tough on these types of negotiating issues. For example, there is still no Tampa Bay on their schedule today.

What happens to California handle if Twinspires doesn't take the product over this? And if California bends to Twinspires, the horsemen aren't going to get as much as they originally thought.

Saratoga_Mike
12-17-2010, 11:39 AM
So, Twinspires doesn't want to pay the full extra signal fee of 2% on exes and dd's and 3% on all other exotics citing they don't have an interest in California tracks like Xpressbet does. Of note, there are many other ADWs that take California product as well as well that have no interest in tracks as well.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Twinspires seems to be tough on these types of negotiating issues. For example, there is still no Tampa Bay on their schedule today.

What happens to California handle if Twinspires doesn't take the product over this? And if California bends to Twinspires, the horsemen aren't going to get as much as they originally thought.

How do these ADW argreements work? Are they renewed every yr? Or can both parties exit or change terms at anytime?

Horseplayersbet.com
12-17-2010, 11:57 AM
How do these ADW argreements work? Are they renewed every yr? Or can both parties exit or change terms at anytime?
Generally they are renewed each year, but if any takeout changes occur, they are up for new negotiation. If other changes are wanted by either party, they have to be mutually agreed upon.

InsideThePylons-MW
12-17-2010, 02:50 PM
What happens to California handle if Twinspires doesn't take the product over this? And if California bends to Twinspires, the horsemen aren't going to get as much as they originally thought.

TS either pays the entire 2-3% or the CHRB tells them they can't have CA residents as customers.

johnhannibalsmith
12-17-2010, 04:44 PM
... Twinspires seems to be tough on these types of negotiating issues. For example, there is still no Tampa Bay on their schedule today...

Am I wrong in assuming that Tampa is off-limits because they changed their takeout in the other direction?

The Goldilocks of platforms.

Horseplayersbet.com
12-17-2010, 04:49 PM
Am I wrong in assuming that Tampa is off-limits because they changed their takeout in the other direction?

The Goldilocks of platforms.
That has something to do with it I believe.