Chavez to rule by decree, DUmmies approve!

[WeirdWilly]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4658493

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"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez moved on Tuesday to bypass parliament and govern by decree for one year in the oil-producing state, prompting opposition charges he was acting like a dictator.
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And the DUmmies say, "Amen!". Because, they, ahhh, ummm, errrr, support freedom and stuff. And the only way to protect freedom is to have a Marxist dictator rule by decree, confiscate everything he can, and refuse to pay for what he has expropriated.

(I'm disappointed that Hugo's most loyal DUmmie cheerleaders, EFerreri, Judi Lynn, and Peace Patriot, haven't weighed in to that thread about their favorite socialist rat bastard yet)

[Steve R]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4658493

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"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez moved on Tuesday to bypass parliament and govern by decree for one year in the oil-producing state, prompting opposition charges he was acting like a dictator.
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And the DUmmies say, "Amen!". Because, they, ahhh, ummm, errrr, support freedom and stuff. And the only way to protect freedom is to have a Marxist dictator rule by decree, confiscate everything he can, and refuse to pay for what he has expropriated.

(I'm disappointed that Hugo's most loyal DUmmie cheerleaders, EFerreri, Judi Lynn, and Peace Patriot, haven't weighed in to that thread about their favorite socialist rat bastard yet)
Dear Uninformed (but not surprisingly)...Perhaps you are unaware of The United States Military Commissions Act of 2006, also known as HR-6166, passed by the US Congress on September 29, 2006 and signed by Bush on October 17. Dubbed “The US Enabling Act” by opponents, it is the equivalent of the Act passed by the German Reichstag on March 23, 1933. The Military Commissions Act authorized Bush to over-ride, on his own authority, the following provisions of the US Constitution: Articles I, II, II, V and VI and Amendments I, IV, VI and VIII. If you read the details you will find Bush's "powers by decree" far exceeded anything proposed by Chavez.

[ArlJim78]

HR-6166 was robustly bipartisan, and also not even in the same ballpark as governing a country by presidential decree.

[PhantomOnTour]

So which is it that upsets ya'll more....the fact that Chavez is a dictator who is rapidly seizing power or the fact that the DU "approves"...?


Or...or...just maybe the thing that has had you upset for awhile: the fact that Obama is our President.

[boxcar]

So which is it that upsets ya'll more....the fact that Chavez is a dictator who is rapidly seizing power or the fact that the DU "approves"...?


Or...or...just maybe the thing that has had you upset for awhile: the fact that Obama is our President.

When is BO going to take another vacation (this time in Venezuela) and kiss the ring of Chavez and congratulate him?

Boxcar

[PhantomOnTour]

When is BO going to take another vacation (this time in Venezuela) and kiss the ring of Chavez and congratulate him?

Boxcar
I knew it was the latter.

[NJ Stinks]

When is BO going to take another vacation (this time in Venezuela) and kiss the ring of Chavez and congratulate him?

Boxcar

Must be a slow day in Flori-dah. Too cold to go out, Boxcar? :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

Must be a slow day in Flori-dah. Too cold to go out, Boxcar? :rolleyes:

They're ideological soul mates, politically; therefore the question was perfectly legit.

Boxcar
P.S. And I love the weather!

[bigmack]

Dear Uninformed (but not surprisingly)...Perhaps you are unaware of .
More drivel from the goof in a Banana Republic.

[GaryG]

More drivel from the goof in a Banana Republic.You suppose he is either running tons of ganja or running from the IRS?

[WeirdWilly]

Dear Uninformed (but not surprisingly)...Perhaps you are unaware of The United States Military Commissions Act of 2006, also known as HR-6166, passed by the US Congress on September 29, 2006 and signed by Bush on October 17. Dubbed “The US Enabling Act” by opponents, it is the equivalent of the Act passed by the German Reichstag on March 23, 1933. The Military Commissions Act authorized Bush to over-ride, on his own authority, the following provisions of the US Constitution: Articles I, II, II, V and VI and Amendments I, IV, VI and VIII. If you read the details you will find Bush's "powers by decree" far exceeded anything proposed by Chavez.

I have never been a fan of Bush and the unitary executive.

I've only skimmed HR-6166, but it seems rather specifically related to unlawful enemy combatants, as opposed to an authorization to rule by fiat.

I'm sure HR-6166 can be abused, but it does not appear to be a major threat to the separation of powers as much as Chavez' authority, which is directed towards silencing opposition and destroying capitalism.

Dictators are dictators, whether "ours" or "theirs".

[bigmack]

You suppose he is either running tons of ganja or running from the IRS?
His Yankee resentment is so thick, must be tax related.

[delayjf]

You suppose he is either running tons of ganja or running from the IRS?

Ah, my favorite Buffet song and it's 5 o clock.

If you read the details you will find Bush's "powers by decree" far exceeded anything proposed by Chavez.
Assuming you are correct, why would you support given Chavez that kind of power?

[Steve R]

I have never been a fan of Bush and the unitary executive.

I've only skimmed HR-6166, but it seems rather specifically related to unlawful enemy combatants, as opposed to an authorization to rule by fiat.

I'm sure HR-6166 can be abused, but it does not appear to be a major threat to the separation of powers as much as Chavez' authority, which is directed towards silencing opposition and destroying capitalism.

Dictators are dictators, whether "ours" or "theirs".
Section 950q includes: "Any person is punishable as a principal under this chapter who commits an offense punishable by this chapter, or aids, abets, counsels, commands, or procures its commission".

Note the first two words, "ANY PERSON". The Center for Constitutional Rights and FindLaw both have argued that this particular wording could "include anyone who has donated money to a charity for orphans in Afghanistan that turns out to have some connection to the Taliban or a person organizing an anti-war protest in Washington, D.C."

The Act also defines "enemy combatant" as some "who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense." IOW, if the President says you are an enemy combatant, then you are. That is police state power also intended to stifle opposition. As far as I know, Venezuela is not conducting extraordinary renditions, committing torture or using indefinite detention solely on the authority of its president.

And bigmack...It's too bad you don't have the brains to make an intelligent contribution to a discussion. Maybe you have FNS (Fox News Syndrome). It's curable.

[delayjf]

The Act also defines "enemy combatant" as some "who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense." IOW, if the President says you are an enemy combatant, then you are. That is police state power also intended to stifle opposition. As far as I know, Venezuela is not conducting extraordinary renditions, committing torture or using indefinite detention solely on the authority of its president.

No it doesn't, here is how the bill reads:


Sec. 948c. Persons subject to military commissions
Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under this chapter.
Sec. 948d. Jurisdiction of military commissions
(a) Jurisdiction— A military commission under this chapter shall have jurisdiction to try any offense made punishable by this chapter or the law of war when committed by an alien unlawful enemy combatant before, on, or after September 11, 2001.
(b) Lawful Enemy Combatants— Military commissions under this chapter shall not have jurisdiction over lawful enemy combatants. Lawful enemy combatants who violate the law of war are subject to chapter 47 of this title. Courts-martial established under that chapter shall have jurisdiction to try a lawful enemy combatant for any offense made punishable under this chapter.

I understand that the bill is controversial, but HR 6166 doesn't give the President even 1/2 the power Chavez is attempting to grab in Ven. Can you imagine if Bush or Obama said that for at least one year he was going to run everything. Chavez is taken Ven down a very dangerous path, and you seem to be fine with it.

[WeirdWilly]

Section 950q includes: "Any person is punishable as a principal under this chapter who commits an offense punishable by this chapter, or aids, abets, counsels, commands, or procures its commission".

Note the first two words, "ANY PERSON". The Center for Constitutional Rights and FindLaw both have argued that this particular wording could "include anyone who has donated money to a charity for orphans in Afghanistan that turns out to have some connection to the Taliban or a person organizing an anti-war protest in Washington, D.C."

The Act also defines "enemy combatant" as some "who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense." IOW, if the President says you are an enemy combatant, then you are. That is police state power also intended to stifle opposition. As far as I know, Venezuela is not conducting extraordinary renditions, committing torture or using indefinite detention solely on the authority of its president.

And bigmack...It's too bad you don't have the brains to make an intelligent contribution to a discussion. Maybe you have FNS (Fox News Syndrome). It's curable.

I am not standing up for Bush here. But, as it is pointed out, this is directed at unlawful enemy combatants, not citizens, not individuals acting under state authority and order.

So how has the MCA of 2006 been used against political opponents? And by political opponents, I mean people who disagreed with the President, as opposed to people who want to kill people and break things?

Chavez now has the power to ENACT LAWS BY DECREE. No parlimentary debate - if Saint Hugo WANTS it, Saint Hugo GETS it! And what the klepto communist wants is to seize as much land and as many capital assets as he can without paying a fair, if ANY price! For the "people", of course!

[bigmack]

And bigmack...It's too bad you don't have the brains to make an intelligent contribution to a discussion.
This coming from someone ignorant enough to paint an entire country and its people with the same broad brush borders on the pathetic. Does your Banana Republic offer medications that might help in your deep hatred and resentment of an entire country? What a laugh.

[boxcar]

This coming from someone ignorant enough to paint an entire country and its people with the same broad brush borders on the pathetic. Does your Banana Republic offer medications that might help in your deep hatred and resentment of an entire country? What a laugh.

Actually, he's pretty pathetic to try to make a moral equivalency between some U.S. law that hasn't been abused (as far as we know) and a two bit commie dictator in a third world country who just seized power by his own decree. Goes to show to what desperate and absurd lengths left wing radicals will go to discredit what is still the freest country on earth. He has about as much credibility as flip-floppin' BO does with all his promises and rhetoric shovel-ready jobs and then only to find out there never were any. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[toetoe]

Dear Uninformed (but not surprisingly)...Perhaps you are unaware of The United States Military Commissions Act of 2006, also known as HR-6166, passed by the US Congress on September 29, 2006 and signed by Bush on October 17. Dubbed “The US Enabling Act” by opponents, it is the equivalent of the Act passed by the German Reichstag on March 23, 1933. The Military Commissions Act authorized Bush to over-ride, on his own authority, the following provisions of the US Constitution: Articles I, II, II, V and VI and Amendments I, IV, VI and VIII. If you read the details you will find Bush's "powers by decree" far exceeded anything proposed by Chavez.


There can be no doubt ... all would agree ... no one can dispute that Shrub and Fireman's Face think they're ... well, Obama Himself. That's just so ... :cool: .