View Full Version : Best Fillies and Mares you have seen?
alysheba88
09-29-2003, 11:11 AM
Can be turf, sprint, whatever. Of those that you have seen. Not sure where Azeri fits in. Maybe better than a few but maybe not. In many cases any comparison is probably difficult.
In no particular order.
Safely Kept
Xtra Heat
Bayakoa
Go for Wand
Princess Rooney
Miesque
Personal Ensign
Serena's Song
Winning Colors
Lady's Secret
bettheoverlay
09-29-2003, 11:28 AM
I saw Susans Girl live when she raced at Delaware Park. Ruffian was probably the best, but only saw her on TV.
alysheba88
09-29-2003, 11:33 AM
Ruffian, oh yes. Did see her once too, Should definitely include. Unfortunately only race I saw was her last. Susans Girl was excellent too.
shanta
09-29-2003, 01:14 PM
there are 2 that stand out that i have actually seen run
1) RUFFIAN - JUST UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2) THIS WILL PROBABLY COME AS A SURPRISE
MOMS COMMAND!
kitts
09-29-2003, 02:35 PM
Flawlessly for sure
Valuist
09-29-2003, 04:06 PM
The 80s were definitely the decade for the star fillies/mares. I agree w/Alysheba's list although I'd add All Along and Genuine Risk.
panda1
09-29-2003, 08:35 PM
Ruffian.............the greatest filly ever...........Period
Moms Command was awesome....... Had a chance to meet the fullers in person once at Garden State Park...........Abigal fuller was Moms Commands rider........What a beautiful woman she is............I remember a day she came to Delaware Park and destroyed the field with a turf Monster named "Shananie" paid $63.00 if my memory serves me right.............What a great turf sire she turned out to be.......
Kentucky Bred
09-29-2003, 11:23 PM
When a filly wins the Kentucky Derby against 19 or so 3 YO male horses it is a really special horse.
Winning Colors went right to the lead, set a tough pace while fighting back cheap rabbit horses and then drew off in the stretch until the previous year's 2YO Champion (Forty Niner) closed like a bomb and nearly caught her at the wire. A great derby.
Notice how many D. Wayne Lukas horses are even on the list Alysheba88 offered? Truth is that Lukas has had a lot of exceptional fillies. It was always rumored that he was aggressive with steriods with his female horses. I don't know if it is true, but he had some biggggg fillies.
Winning Colors was a great racehorse, perhaps the greatest filly.
Kentucky Bred
turfspec
09-30-2003, 03:30 AM
To those mentioned I'll add My Juliet who faced and defeated the boys on several occasions. Won the Vosburgh @7f over Bold Forbes & won the Mich H @ 9f.
Chris Evert who, if memory serves, won the Triple Tiara and finished in the money in the Travers.
The brilliant but ill-fated Go For Wand.
Dan Montilion
09-30-2003, 03:48 AM
Dahlia, Ruffian, All Along, Miesque and Genuine Risk.
Oh yea, Sharon Richardson on the dirt, grass, any surface.
Dan Montilion
alysheba88
09-30-2003, 07:58 AM
Kentucky Bred.
Thats interesting about the Lukas comment. Very true. Didn't even think about it when I compiled it. And of course he was indirectly involved with Genuine Risk (Preakness controversy)
I think it says something about Lukas's self confidence. He is not afraid to lose or look bad. I think he takes it to extremes and sometimes runs his horses into the ground. Not as much an issue now as it used to me.
Most of the trainers nowadays are completely gutless and scared. All this stuff going on with the Breeders Cup Classic and being afraid to run, is an indictment of these guys. Connections of top horses scared to run for $4,000,000. Lukas may run for the money too often, but he isn't afraid to take a chance. You get the feeling the Classic would have a $10 million purse and Murray Johnson wouldn't run.
Sorry to get offtrack with my rant:)
Kentucky Bred
09-30-2003, 09:32 PM
Alysheba88
The truth is that when I was on the backstretch a bunch during the late 80's in SoCal, I (along with everyone else back there) hated Lukas. Why? Just jealousy.
The truth is he ran a first class organization which was almost militaristic. They had a bunch of work to do each day and they HAD to get it done. Yet their barn areas were a showplace. Lukas started the trend to set up a barn like a sales type area. And Lukas made a ton of cash. If you live in Florida or visit there go to Highway 75 near Ocala. From the highway you can view his farms and layup facilities. They go on for miles.
Lukas got that by working the business hard. He was also a good (not great) horseman. A superb business man and a great judge of young horseflesh. He also had the luxury (much like Baffert of recent years) of having so many good horses to work with that he COULD WORK THEM VERY FAST BEFORE A RACE. When you can blow out a horse 4 or 5 days before a big race and take a chance on an injury before the race, you have a huge advantage over trainers who do not have that luxury.
However the rumor then was that Lukas shot up his fillies while they trained and I believed it. Winning Colors and Lady's Secret were huge fillies with enormous sized asses. Putting them on steriods made them compete as a male sized fillies versus regular sized fillies. It's a big advantage. They also keep the horse in training even through slight injuries. I saw a picture of Lady's Secret as a broodmare and I was shocked how small she is now.
Kentucky Bred
No way I even have Winning Colors in the Top 10. She was great on one day.
This horse was 8-19 lifetime. After the Derby, she won one allowance race and one ungraded stakes race. She was a great filly until the Derby ended, after that, 2-12.
At least on my list, you have to beat G1 horses after May of your 3 yo season.
Speaking of Lukas, too bad about the tragic story of Landaluce. This horse could have been one of THE best.
Tops I've seen since following racing in the early 80s:
Princess Rooney 18-21 lifetime, 5 G1s including the Oaks and Distaff.
Inside Information, 14-17 lifetime. I am still mad this horse was part of an entry in the Distaff with Heavenly Prize, won by 13.5!
Personal Ensign, 13-13, just didn't do enough at 2 or 3 to get my top vote.
Hollywood Wildcat 12-21, G1 winner on turf and dirt, including the Distaff over Paseana
Xtra Heat, I doubt we'll ever see one like her in our lifetimes.
DJofSD
09-30-2003, 11:48 PM
I have to agree with kitts - Flawlessly.
I'll never forget the ride CJ had on her at DMR some years back. Toyed with the rest of the field the whole way 'round.
DJofSD
CapperLou
10-01-2003, 12:24 AM
The great 1965 Saratoga meeting which saw the homebred filly of Claiborne Farm gallop in her debut and continue to win 8 races between August and November.
I'm talking about the big, strapping, gorgeous filly MOCASSIN, who was a full sister to Ridan.
I was under the trees that first day out for her and Harry Trotsek the trainer was all smiles right there--Bull Hancock was there also and it just so happened that the next horses were one from Captain Harry Guggenheim's Cain Hoy Stable trained by Woody Stephens and next to that one was one from Christopher Chenery's Meadow Stable.
I remember like it was yesterday Mr Trotsek and Mr Stephens talking and Woody kept saying how great Mocassin looked to Harry. Captain Guggenheim also was in awe of this absolutely magnificent looking 2 yr old filly.
Of course, she went on to win 2 yr old filly of the year AND 2 Year old HORSE of the YEAR in 1965.
I have a beautiful portrait of her in my den. I have never seen another filly like her.
Three famous owners with fillies in that debut for her and all of them wanted to own Mocassin.
Mocassin won those eight races with authority--stakes races after the maiden win and she later was the dam of seven stakes winners.
She had the look of a champion and ran like one!!
All the best,
CapperLou
P.S. 1965 we also got to see the first of Claiborn bred Buckpasser, the great colt owned by Ogden Phipps. What a summer I had that year!!!
PaceAdvantage
10-01-2003, 12:39 PM
One of the gamest mares I've seen run in person was in the early 90s....QUEENA...voted champion older mare in 1991....
She is rarely mentioned in a list of top fillies and mares, but she's on my list....game as they came....always seemed to know exactly where the wire was....
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