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InsideThePylons-MW
11-29-2010, 05:46 PM
Mike Chambers is putting on a show/clinic/exhibition at Turf Paradise!

Marginal horses that somehow just keep going forward and seem to get less tired than the others.

So far today he's had a win and a second with his 2 starters that were about a third of the price they should have been.

2 starters left in the last 2 races......hurry up and get on the train!

Horseplayersbet.com
11-29-2010, 05:56 PM
They keep letting him race between suspensions. :)

You'd figure a trainer with those stats belongs in Racing's Hall of Fame.

InsideThePylons-MW
11-29-2010, 05:59 PM
5/2 on this one in the 8th.....incredible stuff....if he get's this one there, he's beyond amazing.

duncan04
11-29-2010, 06:01 PM
Mike Chambers is putting on a show/clinic/exhibition at Turf Paradise!

Marginal horses that somehow just keep going forward and seem to get less tired than the others.

So far today he's had a win and a second with his 2 starters that were about a third of the price they should have been.

2 starters left in the last 2 races......hurry up and get on the train!


Another win in race 8 at 5/2!!

Horseplayersbet.com
11-29-2010, 06:04 PM
Career Thoroughbred Racing Summary:

Starts Firsts Seconds Thirds Earnings
6,547 1,316 1,011 875 $ 12,547,032
Summary by Year:

Year Strts 1sts 2nds 3rds Earnings
2010 209 66 53 28 $ 560,037
2009 273 95 50 34 $ 670,085
2008 333 126 63 48 $ 1,127,188
2007 171 51 46 18 $ 498,813
2006 38 14 7 10 $ 103,288
2005 5 2 2 1 $ 11,370
2001 22 3 5 3 $ 21,786
2000 12 3 0 2 $ 27,165
1999 73 6 12 7 $ 215,780
1998 83 10 12 14 $ 312,059
1997 137 21 31 23 $ 1,014,315
1996 99 14 18 15 $ 595,068
1995 104 17 7 20 $ 458,767
1994 112 18 21 11 $ 440,497
1993 278 58 43 33 $ 507,310
1992 358 66 59 58 $ 607,945
1991 374 86 52 56 $ 772,203
1990 355 56 48 52 $ 676,736
1989 263 47 46 33 $ 340,490
1988 264 47 40 41 $ 284,102
1987 208 37 27 25 $ 503,314
1986 268 51 27 34 $ 312,906
1985 306 48 50 34 $ 558,002
1984 421 88 63 47 $ 456,321
1983 291 46 45 40 $ 235,870
1982 327 59 46 56 $ 400,817
1981 189 32 28 18 $ 298,157
1980 233 33 29 20 $ 188,868
1979 248 41 31 37 $ 162,938
1978 197 31 21 24 $ 81,760
1977 160 27 17 19 $ 61,851
1976 136 17 12 14 $ 41,224

InsideThePylons-MW
11-29-2010, 06:07 PM
5/2 on this one in the 8th.....incredible stuff....if he get's this one there, he's beyond amazing.

He's the greatest ever!

A plodding router who took 16 starts to break maiden coming off a 3 month layoff after getting lapped in his last start going 6.5f who is 6 wide entire way and just keeps going forward for the victory.

$7.20.......free money!

Horseplayersbet.com
11-29-2010, 06:11 PM
He's the greatest ever!

A plodding router who took 16 starts to break maiden coming off a 3 month layoff after getting lapped in his last start going 6.5f who is 6 wide entire way and just keeps going forward for the victory.

$7.20.......free money!
First horse to win at Turf Paradise today with a post position higher than 3.

duncan04
11-29-2010, 06:17 PM
has the #9 in race #9. currently at 5/2

thaskalos
11-29-2010, 06:18 PM
He's the greatest ever!

A plodding router who took 16 starts to break maiden coming off a 3 month layoff after getting lapped in his last start going 6.5f who is 6 wide entire way and just keeps going forward for the victory.

$7.20.......free money!
This race should be preserved as a shining example of everything that is wrong with horse racing, in its current form.

Downright disgraceful!

DeanT
11-29-2010, 06:18 PM
He must have a really good blacksmith!

CBedo
11-29-2010, 06:30 PM
Four wide in 22, no problem! Won for fun.

Wingtips
11-29-2010, 06:34 PM
He plays the game hard and spots his horses well. Don't be hatin' on the playa. :lol:

InsideThePylons-MW
11-29-2010, 06:35 PM
http://brucefong.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/surrender.jpg

thaskalos
11-29-2010, 06:37 PM
It may be time for us to start looking for another game to play...before it's too late.

cj
11-29-2010, 06:41 PM
The amazing thing is that nobody that could do anything cares. Why are the other trainers not raising hell?

DeanT
11-29-2010, 06:43 PM
He plays the game hard and spots his horses well.

Gotta run them in spots they can win. Need a good blacksmith. Must rub them good and have a good groom. Gotta leave no stone unturned. Must work harder than your neighbor. There is no substitute for hard work.

InsideThePylons-MW
11-29-2010, 06:46 PM
2 starters left in the last 2 races......hurry up and get on the train!

$2 DD 12-9 $30.00

:jump: :jump: :jump:

Wingtips
11-29-2010, 06:47 PM
The amazing thing is that nobody that could do anything cares. Why are the other trainers not raising hell?

Because 99% of trainers are lemmings. No matter how irate they may get or what they may know about the offending party, they won't break from their ranks. That is why I have no respect for the HBPA's. Horseman and their groups are incapable of policing themselves.

cj
11-29-2010, 06:49 PM
Is a lemming the same as an idiot?

Charlie D
11-29-2010, 06:51 PM
TBF, Maori had decent claims.

Top on Prime Power ratings, Hot stats so that will influence market somewhat.

PhantomOnTour
11-29-2010, 06:55 PM
Hay, oats and water.

Beachbabe
11-29-2010, 07:07 PM
Obviously a student of the Juan Carlos Guerrero School of Training.

This is the learned institution where Frank Calabrese recruits its graduates.

fmhealth
11-29-2010, 07:21 PM
Chambers has two in tomorrow (11/30) in the 6th & 7th @TUP. He's an automatic for us ontrack regulars in AZ. He's also a nice fellow to chat with between races. Very modest & self-effacing. With K. Bennett nowhere to be found this meet, Chambers really has little competition. His horses are virtually always ready.

With TUP sealed since Sunday, the inside is the place to be. Almost all winners followed this path. How long will this last, who knows?

Charlie D
11-29-2010, 07:24 PM
One thing i think the comments on this thread does show.

Racing needs to work ver,very hard on it's image, because if it does not, when the addicts and idiots (Mullins) are gone, handle will probably be non existant.

fmhealth
11-29-2010, 08:25 PM
Correction. Actually Chambers has three in on Tuesday. Neglected to take notice of his horse in the second race. Anderson, who won two today, has a runner in the third.

Valuist
11-29-2010, 08:45 PM
Career Thoroughbred Racing Summary:

Starts Firsts Seconds Thirds Earnings
6,547 1,316 1,011 875 $ 12,547,032
Summary by Year:

Year Strts 1sts 2nds 3rds Earnings
2010 209 66 53 28 $ 560,037
2009 273 95 50 34 $ 670,085
2008 333 126 63 48 $ 1,127,188
2007 171 51 46 18 $ 498,813
2006 38 14 7 10 $ 103,288
2005 5 2 2 1 $ 11,370
2001 22 3 5 3 $ 21,786
2000 12 3 0 2 $ 27,165
1999 73 6 12 7 $ 215,780
1998 83 10 12 14 $ 312,059
1997 137 21 31 23 $ 1,014,315
1996 99 14 18 15 $ 595,068
1995 104 17 7 20 $ 458,767
1994 112 18 21 11 $ 440,497
1993 278 58 43 33 $ 507,310
1992 358 66 59 58 $ 607,945
1991 374 86 52 56 $ 772,203
1990 355 56 48 52 $ 676,736
1989 263 47 46 33 $ 340,490
1988 264 47 40 41 $ 284,102
1987 208 37 27 25 $ 503,314
1986 268 51 27 34 $ 312,906
1985 306 48 50 34 $ 558,002
1984 421 88 63 47 $ 456,321
1983 291 46 45 40 $ 235,870
1982 327 59 46 56 $ 400,817
1981 189 32 28 18 $ 298,157
1980 233 33 29 20 $ 188,868
1979 248 41 31 37 $ 162,938
1978 197 31 21 24 $ 81,760
1977 160 27 17 19 $ 61,851
1976 136 17 12 14 $ 41,224


What an amazing metamorphasis that looks like started exactly in 2006. Must've gotten his PhD in Chemistry in 2005. Either that or he found God......or became God himself.

Charlie D
11-29-2010, 09:00 PM
Wonder what the problem was between 2000 and 2005.


Almost every other year, the guy has run plenty and won plenty in prize money (without Slot welfare btw)


Maybe it a case of if you can't beat em, join em or like Mick Dickinson stated, i have to do it to compete.

johnhannibalsmith
11-29-2010, 09:20 PM
... Very modest & self-effacing...

Until he loses two or gets a ride that can't be overcome by training mastery or he gets DQ'ed...

Yes, it's like Cheer's when Norm enters the room... "Muck!!"... just help him out and make sure he doesn't get talking and forget to go down and saddle one...

Light
11-29-2010, 09:46 PM
Chambers has been around a long time. I first noticed him at GG at least 15 years ago. Then he went up north to Emerald where a fellow capper was betting thousands on selected horses he trained. Then I lost track of Chambers. I did notice his resurfacing at TuP a few years ago,but you cant make any money on his horses. You guys are late to the party. The guy is a west coast Bruce Levine with ridiculous win percentages and suspicious cocktails for his horses.Regardless,if he has a horse in a race,and even if the horse looks like a total loser,I automatically put the horse in. The guy is that good.

thaskalos
11-29-2010, 09:57 PM
Regardless,if he has a horse in a race,and even if the horse looks like a total loser,I automatically put the horse in. The guy is that good.
Aahhh...how I long for those days when we could safely toss the obvious losers out...without looking at their veterinarians.

Charlie D
11-29-2010, 10:17 PM
Look at prize money earning of Mr Chambers then go here http://www.rmtcnet.com/content_recentrulings.asp and look at how much the violators get fined.


If he is commiting skullduggery and gets caught, he'll probably :lol: at punishment he receives

InsideThePylons-MW
11-29-2010, 10:27 PM
The guy is a west coast Bruce Levine with ridiculous win percentages and suspicious cocktails for his horses.

From what I've been told, there is NO testing at all for milkshakes at Turf Paradise.

It probably makes no difference because I can't imagine the best milkshaker ever getting 63% winners.

showbet
11-29-2010, 10:29 PM
I'm not trying to imply that he's cheating, but Jerry Hollendorfer at Portland Meadows has similar statistics, with more starters.

Through November 17 he had 40 starts, 25 wins (62.5%), 6 seconds, and 5 thirds (90% in the money).

Portland Meadows trainer standings (http://www.portlandmeadows.com/Handicapping/Overall+Statistics/OverallStatistics.htm?type=trainers)

Today he had three starters; two won and the other finished second.

Charlie D
11-29-2010, 10:48 PM
Compare those percentages with Godolphins trainer Saeed Bin Suroor in UK for 2010 of 27% or Sir Henry Cecil in 2010 of 21%


Amazing difference, however, on saying that, a lot of US racing is uncompetitive due to oversaturation of product and i think a high % would not be impossible if you have the ammo in your stable.

showbet
11-29-2010, 10:55 PM
Not sure what's going on at the link I posted, but now it says "No statistic information is currently available". Maybe they are updating the information. Anyway, I took a screenshot of it before it disappeared.

Charlie D
11-29-2010, 11:08 PM
It would not be unreasonable to think if an outfit like Godolphin moved away from NYRA to Portland they'd clean up.

cj
11-29-2010, 11:11 PM
It would not be unreasonable to think if an outfit like Godolphin moved away from NYRA to Portland they'd clean up.

I'm not sure the horses they are running in the US this year could win there either.

Charlie D
11-29-2010, 11:14 PM
I'm not sure the horses they are running in the US this year could win there either.

:)

Behave yourself.

johnhannibalsmith
11-29-2010, 11:35 PM
From what I've been told, there is NO testing at all for milkshakes at Turf Paradise.

Correct.

It probably makes no difference because I can't imagine the best milkshaker ever getting 63% winners.

I agree.

InsideThePylons-MW
11-30-2010, 01:28 AM
I'm not trying to imply that he's cheating, but Jerry Hollendorfer at Portland Meadows has similar statistics, with more starters.

Through November 17 he had 40 starts, 25 wins (62.5%), 6 seconds, and 5 thirds (90% in the money).

Portland Meadows trainer standings (http://www.portlandmeadows.com/Handicapping/Overall+Statistics/OverallStatistics.htm?type=trainers)

Today he had three starters; two won and the other finished second.

What Hollendorfer is doing is somewhat different. He is just annihilating the place with horsepower. He's taking competitive horses from GG and dropping them 2 or so levels at PM. It's amazing he's not winning at a higher %. :)

He's got a horse that's raced in a G1 (against Zenyatta), G2 and G3 this year racing in a 15K stakes race (?????) Wed. It's a 6 horse field where 3 of the runners were beat for claiming tags of 2500, 3500, and 5000 in their last start or 2 starts back.

Chambers is winning with horses that don't even figure best (or close to best) in competitive races and overcoming all biases/obstacles like his horses are 10 lengths the best.

CBedo
11-30-2010, 11:53 PM
Today:

2nd @ 3.20-1,
3rd @ 1.20-1,
& a scratch