Classic kick back

[joanied]

I didn't want to start another Zenyatta thread, but I told cpitt84 about this photo of Zen catching all that kick back in the Classic, then I couldn't find the thread where it was mentioned...so, forgive me for another thread:)
(it's plain to see, Zen was not happy about all that dirt)

[cj]

You are honestly saying you can see she is not happy? Wow, the Stretch Armstrong type reaches continue. She has been last in all three of her dirt races, this wasn't new.

[BluegrassProf]

I didn't want to start another Zenyatta thread...(it's plain to see, Zen was not happy about all that dirt)
Love. It.

:D

[Tom]

Anyone got a link to the other two dirt races so we can see if she was getting as much kick back?

Just asking......I don't know.

[joanied]

You are honestly saying you can see she is not happy? Wow, the Stretch Armstrong type reaches continue. She has been last in all three of her dirt races, this wasn't new.

If you can't see that, cj, then you can't 'read' a horse...sorry!

I beleive in her other dirt races she was kept in the clear...but I may be wrong and have no photos to go by.

The point of this thread isn't to start another Zen argument...we all have our opinions, and they are all kind of beside the point this time...because I just wanted to post the photo for cpitt84.

[cj]

Please, educate me. What makes you think she isn't happy?

[BluegrassProf]

If you can't see that, cj, then you can't 'read' a horse...sorry!:lol:

Oh man. Killin' me here...someone please do something.

[Bullet Plane]

I think you can assume that she's not happy. The mare only had a couple of dirt races, and runs near the back of the back. The picture shows big time kick back.

[Spalding No!]

I don't get it...is there a picture of Blame and Fly Down all smiles and eating their kickback with spoons or something?

[cpitt84]

Aww thanks for the pic, joanied. I really appreciate it!! :)

Zenyatta definitely didnt know what that was but after seeing that, it makes me respect her more for almost getting there. I will miss her!

[cj]

I think you can assume that she's not happy. The mare only had a couple of dirt races, and runs near the back of the back. The picture shows big time kick back.

Of course, many want to assume lots of things about Zenyatta to try to compensate for her loss, and more importantly the opinion those same held that she couldn't lose.

[cj]

I don't get it...is there a picture of Blame and Fly Down all smiles and eating their kickback with spoons or something?

Hilarious!

[Bullet Plane]

Of course, many want to assume lots of things about Zenyatta to try to compensate for her loss, and more importantly the opinion those same held that she couldn't lose.
I don't think it made much difference in the outcome of the race. There was no kickback during the stretch run. That's really the only part of the race she runs anyway.

[turfnsport]

I didn't want to start another Zenyatta thread, but I told cpitt84 about this photo of Zen catching all that kick back in the Classic, then I couldn't find the thread where it was mentioned...so, forgive me for another thread:)
(it's plain to see, Zen was not happy about all that dirt)

That's not kickback. Somebody just popped a bottle of Kendall-Jackson.

[Native Texan III]

The kickback stings but Z is not tossing her head about to avoid it - she is plugging on. She is not ingesting into her lungs too much either as, if so, she would not have been able to race so fast in the stretch.

[JustRalph]

I don't get it...is there a picture of Blame and Fly Down all smiles and eating their kickback with spoons or something?

Classic take on it! :lol:

[Tom]

The kickback stings but Z is not tossing her head about to avoid it - she is plugging on. She is not ingesting into her lungs too much either as, if so, she would not have been able to race so fast in the stretch.

You got this from still photo?

[tucker6]

You got this from still photo?makes you feel like a monkey, doesn't it.

[Tom]

makes you feel like a monkey, doesn't it.

Was this supposed to be relevant to the thread topic?
Or you trying to quit and need something else do with your hand?

[tucker6]

Was this supposed to be relevant to the thread topic?
Or you trying to quit and need something else do with your hand?Obviously, he's better at photography than you are. ;)

[Tom]

Aren't you done yet? :rolleyes:

hustler.com

[tucker6]

Aren't you done yet? :rolleyes:

hustler.comapparently not. If you could see past your nose, you'd realize I was agreeing with you. Don't take the internet so personal.

[cj]

You got this from still photo?

Is that any worse than "knowing" it was bothering her from a still?

[rastajenk]

I hope PETA doesn't find out about this. The last thing we need is being accused of making horses unhappy. :eek:

[Tom]

Is that any worse than "knowing" it was bothering her from a still?

No, but you had already covered the other one.
Why be redundant?

[Spalding No!]

Head-on view of Zenyatta's merciless kickback:

http://www.projectcosmos.net/images/PC_News_Asteroids.png

[Charlie D]

WOW. I'm surprised she didn't turn around and run straight back over Rockies.

[nijinski]

Mike thought it must have bothered he , her said he went through all his goggles .
Then again Mike doesn't get his goggles dirty on a daily basis either.

[PaceAdvantage]

Maybe Rachel was crouching by the grassy knoll, chucking hooffuls of dirt at Zenyatta first time past the stands? Could happen...

[Valuist]

Here's a message to Zenyatta, to Mike Smith, and to John Shirrefs: if you don't want kickback, then race on the lead.

Imagine that; she had to run against a field where there was more than 5 horses. How unfair is that?

Where is the thread for all of Goldikova's excuses? Oh yeah, she didn't need any.

[ohbaby]

Mike Smith went through 6 pair of goggles. That's alot of kick back. In her other dirt races, the fields were small, less kick back. FYI.

[Under Wraps]

I think the kickback gave her trouble and caused her to be an extra five lenghts off the field than she would have been sans the kickback. I think her lack of experience dealing with kickback cost her the race.

[nijinski]

Here's a message to Zenyatta, to Mike Smith, and to John Shirrefs: if you don't want kickback, then race on the lead.

Imagine that; she had to run against a field where there was more than 5 horses. How unfair is that?

Where is the thread for all of Goldikova's excuses? Oh yeah, she didn't need any.
Goldi doesn't do dirty.

[joanied]

Aww thanks for the pic, joanied. I really appreciate it!! :)

Zenyatta definitely didnt know what that was but after seeing that, it makes me respect her more for almost getting there. I will miss her!

No problem, cpitt84...glad to do it.

[joanied]

There's a saying that says something about a 'picture is worth a thousand words'... I guess those of you here that decided to make fun of this thread topic must be missing a lot in life...that you look at a picture, but do not see it...

anyone that is really in tune with animals, especially horses, can read their body language as well as their expressions, but I suppose you guys will take that and say it's ridiculous...but that is one of the things that makes a good horseman.

I read some things from a few of the photographers that were on the track...that said the kick back was actually mud clods...a horse that's never felt that before is sure to be unhappy about it...as Zenyatta plainly was.

You guys that feel the need to make fun of certain threads, posts, or members...have at it, dudes...afterall, kids will be kids!!

[cj]

anyone that is really in tune with animals, especially horses, can read their body language as well as their expressions, but I suppose you guys will take that and say it's ridiculous...but that is one of the things that makes a good horseman.



Oh please. Your entire post was ridiculous, but I'll stick to the creme de la creme. It is a still picture, not a video. We realize you petted a horse once a long time ago, but I'm not sure that makes you master horsewoman of PA.

[joanied]

Oh please. Your entire post was ridiculous, but I'll stick to the creme de la creme. It is a still picture, not a video. We realize you petted a horse once a long time ago, but I'm not sure that makes you master horsewoman of PA.

Nope, it doesn't....you got that one locked up...master of PA!
I can see as much from a photo as a video...
since you know me from a hole in the wall...how do you know I'm not a master horsewoman...you might be a excellent handicapper, cj...but it's obvious you know not much about horses....bet you never spent a day in your life around them...I've spent 365 days a year with them, in many capacities...I know a thing or two...
now I'll say what I've said to you before...let's agree to disagree, you managed to turn a favor I did for a member into some sort of crusade...so, you go your way, I'll go mine...

[cj]

Nope, it doesn't....you got that one locked up...master of PA!
I can see as much from a photo as a video...
since you know me from a hole in the wall...how do you know I'm not a master horsewoman...you might be a excellent handicapper, cj...but it's obvious you know not much about horses....bet you never spent a day in your life around them...I've spent 365 days a year with them, in many capacities...I know a thing or two...
now I'll say what I've said to you before...let's agree to disagree, you managed to turn a favor I did for a member into some sort of crusade...so, you go your way, I'll go mine...

Doesn't work that way. If you wanted to do her a favor, you PM the link to the photo...simple.

I've spent plenty time around horses, thank you.

[joanied]

Doesn't work that way. If you wanted to do her a favor, you PM the link to the photo...simple.

I've spent plenty time around horses, thank you.

I couldn't figure out how to attach the photo to a PM:blush: ...but, I sure didn't expect to be called "ridiclous", I thought you had more class than that...guess ya learn something new everyday.

By the way, just spending time around horses doesn't make you a horseperson...you have to work with them, in a sense, live with them...get down and dirty, do everything...doubt you've done anything like that...you might just have to admit I probably know more about them than you ever will...but, I don't think you care anyway....why should you!

[Jens]

joanied,

I wish I could find the thread BigMac started a while back describing the difference between the over the top ZGushers and the over the top ZBashers. It was spot on then and still holds true today.

[JustRalph]

Ok........now tell me what this one's thinking?

http://www.horseriding.gr/images/Horses_Swimming_Crete_Greece.JPG

[cj]

I couldn't figure out how to attach the photo to a PM:blush: ...but, I sure didn't expect to be called "ridiclous", I thought you had more class than that...guess ya learn something new everyday.

By the way, just spending time around horses doesn't make you a horseperson...you have to work with them, in a sense, live with them...get down and dirty, do everything...doubt you've done anything like that...you might just have to admit I probably know more about them than you ever will...but, I don't think you care anyway....why should you!

I didn't think it was any worse than the old "it is obvious you..." fill in the blank. You probably do know more than I do, but it doesn't mean you aren't wrong about me.

Even so, I would still argue there isn't much you can tell from a still photo. I would also say that there are plenty of people very good at reading the body language of a horse that haven't worked with them. No, I'm not one of them and don't pretend to be, but I know a few people that are very good at it. Guess what? They've never bandaged a leg or braided a mane, or even mucked a stall.

[Spalding No!]

I couldn't figure out how to attach the photo to a PM:blush: ...but, I sure didn't expect to be called "ridiclous", I thought you had more class than that...guess ya learn something new everyday.

By the way, just spending time around horses doesn't make you a horseperson...you have to work with them, in a sense, live with them...get down and dirty, do everything...doubt you've done anything like that...you might just have to admit I probably know more about them than you ever will...but, I don't think you care anyway....why should you!

Why don't you just point out the signs in the still photo that "tell you" that Zenyatta is "unhappy", instead of trying to pull this Russian Mystic crap?

Is it the pinned ears? Is it the half-closed eye? Is it the head carriage?

After answering that, say we had a picture of Blame or Fly Down or Lookin At Lucky at a similar moment during the race. What do you think those still photos would look like?

Next, if we were to show these photos to random people on the street, how many would come up with the same "signs" as you did?

For those who don't want to bother to wait for a response, and just want to get down to the nitty gritty, I would suggest looking up the word "anthropomorphize" in the dictionary.

Then we all can call ourselves horsemen.

[joanied]

joanied,

I wish I could find the thread BigMac started a while back describing the difference between the over the top ZGushers and the over the top ZBashers. It was spot on then and still holds true today.

I think I remember that post...we have so many Zen threads, it's hard to find a post you're looking for:D ...
but my posting the photo that started this thread wasn't meant to be anymore than a photo of her catching kick back and not being happy about it...

fact is, I'm sick & tired of Zgushers & Zbashers and being called ridiculous for posting a photo and giving my opinion on the race...oh, well...life goes on:jump:
:)

[Cardus]

Nope, it doesn't....you got that one locked up...master of PA!
I can see as much from a photo as a video...
since you know me from a hole in the wall...how do you know I'm not a master horsewoman...you might be a excellent handicapper, cj...but it's obvious you know not much about horses....bet you never spent a day in your life around them...I've spent 365 days a year with them, in many capacities...I know a thing or two...
now I'll say what I've said to you before...let's agree to disagree, you managed to turn a favor I did for a member into some sort of crusade...so, you go your way, I'll go mine...

I can tell by your posts that you're not.

[tucker6]

Ok........now tell me what this one's thinking?

http://www.horseriding.gr/images/Horses_Swimming_Crete_Greece.JPGThank the Horse God my lower half is hidden in the water.

[PaceAdvantage]

get down and dirty, do everything...You mean like sheath cleaning? doubt you've done anything like that...you might just have to admit I probably know more about them than you ever will...You see, it's the sheer arrogance of a reply like this that gets me. You simply assume because certain people focus on the handicapping, that they can "never know more about them" then you do. I don't think I've seen one person in this thread CLAIM that they KNOW MORE about horses than you do...have you?but, I don't think you care anyway....why should you!Another arrogant statement. Yes...why should we care joanie? After all, we're nothing but cold-hearted gamblers who would sell our own mothers out to cash a bet...never mind caring about a damned horse we see as simply a machine or a number, right Joanie?

BTW, I love how some of our most vocal Zenyatta backers (carlonr tops on the list) have disappeared since she lost the Classic. I love how some of the folks who predicted that if Zenyatta lost, all of us "bashers" would be having a field day starting thread after thread of how badly Zenyatta sucks and how her losing the Classic proves this.

Of course, none of that happened...they were wrong...again...

[FenceBored]

Ok........now tell me what this one's thinking?

http://www.horseriding.gr/images/Horses_Swimming_Crete_Greece.JPG

"Damn, this water's cold!"

[joanied]

You mean like sheath cleaning? You see, it's the sheer arrogance of a reply like this that gets me. You simply assume because certain people focus on the handicapping, that they can "never know more about them" then you do. I don't think I've seen one person in this thread CLAIM that they KNOW MORE about horses than you do...have you?Another arrogant statement. Yes...why should we care joanie? After all, we're nothing but cold-hearted gamblers who would sell our own mothers out to cash a bet...never mind caring about a damned horse we see as simply a machine or a number, right Joanie?
If my post came across as agrogant, it sure wasn't meant to...I am defending myself, which is something many posters seem to have to do here, PA...cj assumed I was ridiculous in posting that it was easy to read her face in that photo...I try not to assume anything about anyone here...but if I feel I'm being attacked, then I got to defend my position...I have no doubt there are members here that are experts with horses, and wouldn't it really be ridiculous for me to claim otherwise.
I did notice that when discussions started about Life At Ten's race that the handicappers here were concerned about their wagers...you draw whatever conclusion you want from that fact.
BTW, I love how some of our most vocal Zenyatta backers (carlonr tops on the list) have disappeared since she lost the Classic. I love how some of the folks who predicted that if Zenyatta lost, all of us "bashers" would be having a field day starting thread after thread of how badly Zenyatta sucks and how her losing the Classic proves this.

Of course, none of that happened...they were wrong...again...
I won't address why members left...it has nothing to do with me.

[Valuist]

Who invented kickback? Was it Al Gore or Zenyatta?

Since its been around for decades and decades, why would it be brought up now?

[PaceAdvantage]

I won't address why members left...it has nothing to do with me.I've been doing this for 10 plus years. Members come and go all the time. My web stats indicate this board is still gaining in popularity even after 11 years and even with the current claims that the sport itself is "dying."

If certain members feel the need to leave, that's really beyond my control. I do everything in my power to prevent that from happening, but I also have to maintain a fairly open board where people can feel free to comment.

People are criticized here all the time. I know you think there is a "clique" here...you aren't the only one...but people who are considered part of that "clique" such as the little guy, cj, and others, are routinely criticized here on this board...The crap that has been thrown their way, I'm sure you would consider it an "attack" if it were thrown your way. TLG has taken loads of crap on here for his on-air style, his handicapping abilities, his association with Beyer...you name it...

cj's numbers have been criticized multiple times by folks who don't believe in using figures to evaluate a horse, and he himself has been criticized for his style on this board.

People see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe. I can't change that.

[cj]

Who invented kickback? Was it Al Gore or Zenyatta?

Since its been around for decades and decades, why would it be brought up now?

The funny thing is that what many of us said would get her beat on dirt is now being used as an excuse of why she was beaten on dirt.

[joanied]

I've been doing this for 10 plus years. Members come and go all the time. My web stats indicate this board is still gaining in popularity even after 11 years and even with the current claims that the sport itself is "dying."

If certain members feel the need to leave, that's really beyond my control. I do everything in my power to prevent that from happening, but I also have to maintain a fairly open board where people can feel free to comment.

People are criticized here all the time. I know you think there is a "clique" here...you aren't the only one...but people who are considered part of that "clique" such as the little guy, cj, and others, are routinely criticized here on this board...The crap that has been thrown their way, I'm sure you would consider it an "attack" if it were thrown your way. TLG has taken loads of crap on here for his on-air style, his handicapping abilities, his association with Beyer...you name it...

cj's numbers have been criticized multiple times by folks who don't believe in using figures to evaluate a horse, and he himself has been criticized for his style on this board.

People see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe. I can't change that.

I said I wouldn't address that, PA...it has nothing to do with me, but guess you felt you needed to explain it anyway.

[Grits]

PaceAdvantage wrote: People are criticized here all the time. I know you think there is a "clique" here...you aren't the only one...but people who are considered part of that "clique" such as the little guy, cj, and others, are routinely criticized here on this board...The crap that has been thrown their way, I'm sure you would consider it an "attack" if it were thrown your way. TLG has taken loads of crap on here for his on-air style, his handicapping abilities, his association with Beyer...you name it...

cj's numbers have been criticized multiple times by folks who don't believe in using figures to evaluate a horse, and he himself has been criticized for his style on this board.

People see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe. I can't change that.

An observation:

Its odd that the only clique recognized here, repeatedly, seems to be this one--involving those already named. Why is it the OTHER clique is not ever recognized, spoken of, or ADMITTED to as existing--the one lead by Winter Triangle, who attempted to destroy this website earlier this year with private messages and posts on other websites indicating this place is nothing more than a bunch of degenerate gamblers who care nothing about horses, instead, only about making money? While also disparaging the reputation of members here?

If one really wants to get down to calling a damn spade a spade, why is THIS clique never spoken of? Why is the harm, done with intent, that this clique created never mentioned as having caused a great divide to this place?

DaHoss and TLG were two of the most knowledgable men on this website--they're gone, and the website loses because of it. Were they salty, yes, could very much be. Still, tough--no one's perfect--what I've gained from the two has been abundant! I'd put the pure concrete knowledge of either one of them up against anyone nationwide. Not only where handicapping is concerned by where RACING HISTORY is up for discussion as well.

Winter Triangle has spent months attempting to have others rally around her skill, her expertise and yes, that's fine. She can handicap. But as far as her integrity, here, at Pace Advantage--she shot it straight to hell last summer. One doesn't set about to undermine the infrastructure of a website, its owner and its moderators--with over ten years experience.

Much like Miesque, WinterT shot her own self in the foot. No one assisted her. And when I met her last Spring at Oaklawn, no one could have convinced me this could EVER be possible.

I won't address why members left...it has nothing to do with me.

And Joanie, this is where you may have a sure answer. I don't. But I can admit, readily, that I can see this picture is being painted as far, far too one sided.

There's always two sides to a problem. Always. And all of what has gone on here wasn't the result of people disagreeing about Zenyatta--problems surpassed any dialogue about Zenyatta a long while back. Cliques pose problems for everyone--one's much better off when they can step back make their own decisions without the influence of others, without the gathering of others in their respective corner who may be likeminded and obviously behind them.

Cj was tough on you yesterday, tough as hell. Still, there's plenty to be noted regarding the skill which you both have!!! On this FACT, I don't believe I could be more honest. And this is far more important, and to be respected far more than getting into any pissing contest.

[Cardus]

I've been doing this for 10 plus years. Members come and go all the time. My web stats indicate this board is still gaining in popularity even after 11 years and even with the current claims that the sport itself is "dying."

If certain members feel the need to leave, that's really beyond my control. I do everything in my power to prevent that from happening, but I also have to maintain a fairly open board where people can feel free to comment.

People are criticized here all the time. I know you think there is a "clique" here...you aren't the only one...but people who are considered part of that "clique" such as the little guy, cj, and others, are routinely criticized here on this board...The crap that has been thrown their way, I'm sure you would consider it an "attack" if it were thrown your way. TLG has taken loads of crap on here for his on-air style, his handicapping abilities, his association with Beyer...you name it...

cj's numbers have been criticized multiple times by folks who don't believe in using figures to evaluate a horse, and he himself has been criticized for his style on this board.

People see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe. I can't change that.

I take solace from this post, PA. Thanks.

Routinely, I feel belittled and diminished after posting here at the end of each day.

This gives me the inspiration to continue contributing.

[Cardus]

An observation:

Its odd that the only clique recognized here, repeatedly, seems to be this one--involving those already named. Why is it the OTHER clique is not ever recognized, spoken of, or ADMITTED to as existing--the one lead by Winter Triangle, who attempted to destroy this website earlier this year with private messages and posts on other websites indicating this place is nothing more than a bunch of degenerate gamblers who care nothing about horses, instead, only about making money? While also disparaging the reputation of members here?

If one really wants to get down to calling a damn spade a spade, why is THIS clique never spoken of? Why is the harm, done with intent, that this clique created never mentioned as having caused a great divide to this place?

DaHoss and TLG were two of the most knowledgable men on this website--they're gone, and the website loses because of it. Were they salty, yes, could very much be. Still, tough--no one's perfect--what I've gained from the two has been abundant! I'd put the pure concrete knowledge of either one of them up against anyone nationwide. Not only where handicapping is concerned by where RACING HISTORY is up for discussion as well.

Winter Triangle has spent months attempting to have others rally around her skill, her expertise and yes, that's fine. She can handicap. But as far as her integrity, here, at Pace Advantage--she shot it straight to hell last summer. One doesn't set about to undermine the infrastructure of a website, its owner and its moderators--with over ten years experience.

Much like Miesque, WinterT shot her own self in the foot. No one assisted her. And when I met her last Spring at Oaklawn, no one could have convinced me this could EVER be possible.

[/color]

And Joanie, this is where you may have a sure answer. I don't. But I can admit, readily, that I can see this picture is being painted as far, far too one sided.

There's always two sides to a problem. Always. And all of what has gone on here wasn't the result of people disagreeing about Zenyatta--problems surpassed any dialogue about Zenyatta a long while back. Cliques pose problems for everyone--one's much better off when they can step back make their own decisions without the influence of others, without the gathering of others in their respective corner who may be likeminded and obviously behind them.

Cj was tough on you yesterday, tough as hell. Still, there's plenty to be noted regarding the skill which you both have!!! On this FACT, I don't believe I could be more honest. And this is far more important, and to be respected far more than getting into any pissing contest.

*Well written*. :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump:

[Valuist]

Some interesting stuff above. I wasn't on here much for a couple of months but I find the above post referencing Winter Triangle fascinating. This isn't directed toward Grits but Winter Triangle: you go to a site called Pace Advantage, wouldn't it occur to one that this is a HANDICAPPING site? And not a "horsey-lover" site? The site is PACE advantage, not PETA Advantage.

[WinterTriangle]

An observation:
the one lead by Winter Triangle, .......... and posts on other websites indicating this place is nothing more than a bunch of degenerate gamblers who care nothing about horses, instead, only about making money?

I have read, over the years, a number of public posts about PA forum on other websites. But I have never contributed to them, nor started any.

(Not sure why you brought up Miesque, that is obviously something between you and her? I went back and looked at her last post here....it was apparently a personal argument between you and her. And now, you have one with me. :) )

Now.....Grits.....please give us links to the sites where my posts about this forum are located. If you're going to make an accusation, then you need to provide those forum posts that you say I made publically. I'm on several forums that I was on before this one, and have no problems with the admins.

The way this topic started out was a member posting a photo for another member.... which led to that person receiving a heap of ridicule, simply because they thought that a photo of a horse closing their eyes to mud "means something". It certainly didn't seem like a very bizarre observation, since people who were working on the track posted about mud clods flying and Zen not liking it in other places I read. But those conversations didn't get out of hand.

[WinterTriangle]

but Winter Triangle: you go to a site called Pace Advantage, wouldn't it occur to one that this is a HANDICAPPING site? And not a "horsey-lover" site? The site is PACE advantage, not PETA Advantage.

I post picks and handicapping insights, as well as opinions.

If there was anything about my posts that implied I thought it was PETA Advantage, why haven't you addressed my posts where you thought that was happening?

BTW, handicapping and horsey love don't have to be mutually exclusive, IMHO, anyway. :)

[Grits]

I'll not provide you or us . . . . here, with anything, Winter. I'm sorry you won't make this my responsibility.

You, though, can surely go back to the thread of this past summer begun by GM10, here at Pace Advantage which became a tome in length and breadth, the thread in which you were confronted and exposed regarding how you behaved towards the owner and the moderators of this website.

From that moment on--from that moment forward, your integrity became of concern--if not for others, admittedly, for me. Sorry, if you find my thought surprising, but it would behoove you to recall your actions and the dialogue contained in the thread--a good portion of which had to do with "clearing the air."

If there's any accusations of a clique here, it should, indeed, be made plural.

Only recently, in all the time I've been here, have I put one poster on ignore; it might be beneficial for me to make you the second. It would probably benefit you if you did the same to me.

EOC

[PaceAdvantage]

I said I wouldn't address that, PA...it has nothing to do with me, but guess you felt you needed to explain it anyway.It boggles my mind why you would even bring it up in the first place then. Why mention something you won't address? Did anyone else even address it? How did it pop into your head in the first place? That would be a good question.

[PaceAdvantage]

DaHoss and TLG were two of the most knowledgable men on this website--they're gone,They are? That's news to me. DaHoss is on a self-imposed break of sorts...I don't think he's actually gone.

And TLG isn't that prolific a poster to begin with when you get right down to it...he appears sporadically at best...I believe he would have told me if he was indeed "gone" as you put it Grits.

[joanied]

It boggles my mind why you would even bring it up in the first place then. Why mention something you won't address? Did anyone else even address it? How did it pop into your head in the first place? That would be a good question.

Because you used it in your post with my quotes, that's why.

[PaceAdvantage]

Because you used it in your post with my quotes, that's why.Very true. Seems I confused myself when replying to you...not too difficult a thing to do these days with all these posts flying around...

Sorry about that....

[joanied]

Very true. Seems I confused myself when replying to you...not too difficult a thing to do these days with all these posts flying around...

Sorry about that....

No problem.

[WinterTriangle]

An observation


Let me provide some context. I was reading here when an accusation was made about a member, which generated some conversation by those who saw the same post.

Shortly afterwards, the post was scrubbed (deleted).

Conversely, last summer, I mistakenly repeated something suggested to me, my PMs were shared, I took responsbility publically, and apologized to the person(s) involved. (The specific person about whom it was made accepted my apology…at least, that’s what it says in the email I have. I owed you no apology, so you didn’t get one.)

Lesson learned? I’m not the 1st, nor will I be the last, to make that kind of mistake……… eh?

The only difference is whether you have the advantage of being able to sanitze your mistake---and thus save the appearance of having shot yourself in the foot. J Either way, it's hardly the end of the world.



We transgress. No person need pretend they are better, that their integrity is above reproach, or that they are without transgressions or making errors of judgement.

I take 1% of internet content seriously….a highly mutable medium that, like Swiss Cheese, has lots of holes. The sheer amount of conspiracy theories I read, even in the racing forums, is remarkable.

As for sharing PMs……. I don’t. Have some doozies (even from members in "good standing"), but no interest in outing anyone for snarky remarks made about other members or the forum. (That goes for the person who shared mine). Definitions of integrity obviously vary. :)
In the future, Grits, prior to indulging in emotional outbursts of a personal nature (like when I dinged S. Asmussen and your reply had nothing to do with S. Asmussen), consider a PM. Esp if you’re going to decline responsibility for your words and/or accusations. We all make posts in bad taste, like one you made in Zippy Chippy's topic that his ideas FOR HIS OWN WEDDING were silly. ;) Members who talked about that, but resisted bombasting you, just don't find it necessary to respond to every opinion posted by somebody they don't think much of.

[PaceAdvantage]

Good Lord...does the drama ever end around here?

I can't wait to finally get back to talking about handicapping and picking some winners. I think I'll start tomorrow.

[tubesockshakur]

Good Lord...does the drama ever end around here?

I can't wait to finally get back to talking about handicapping and picking some winners. I think I'll start tomorrow....to quote george costanza "NOOOooo"

[Cardus]

Good Lord...does the drama ever end around here?

I can't wait to finally get back to talking about handicapping and picking some winners. I think I'll start tomorrow.

Not quite working out as you wanted, is it?

[PaceAdvantage]

Tell me about it...

[Grits]

I've about come to the conclusion that the drama level--online--could be likened

. . . to someone taking a damn book of matches on a hayride!:lol:

[Pace Cap'n]

Best thread title ever.