Muslims mar Brits Veterans day

[JustRalph]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328703/Two-faces-Armistice-Day-Boy-brimming-pride-fanatics-burning-hate.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/11/article-1328703-0C0524CF000005DC-715_634x457.jpg

[Greyfox]

Creeps. It they won't back the soldiers, they should go stand in front of them.

[GaryG]

These Muslims are all beneficiaries of British socialism, the public option as it were, etc. If our British cousins take this without some retaliation I will be disappointed.

[jballscalls]

These Muslims are all beneficiaries of British socialism, the public option as it were, etc. If our British cousins take this without some retaliation I will be disappointed.

what are they going to do? kill people for protesting?

[Rookies]

Although Gary is completely incorrect as Muslims have been in the U.K. since the early 1800s, I do sometimes think that when there is no suitable alternative, some Old Testament justice could befall people doing bad & stupid things.

By segue, I am ALL in favour of this just response: http://www.newser.com/story/104268/sex-abuse-victim-savagely-attacks-priest.html

The problem NEXT Remembrance Day in Britain will be that the far right gangs/yobbos will out in force looking to lay a beating on anything that looks like what happened. There's a time and place for protest in democracies and this was neither! Like that fool pastor Phelps.:ThmbDown:

[Mike at A+]

what are they going to do? kill people for protesting?
Gotta start somewhere. Before it gets out of hand.

[Tom]

Anyone think muslim are not out to kill us?
If is it so bad in England, they should go back to Mecca or whatever other hell hole in the sand they want to live in.

People better wake up to this colonization.

And appropriate response would be to burn a koran in front of them and cook pork over it.

[HUSKER55]

People like that who show no respect should get no respect.

but the media feeds on this crap.

[hcap]

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

[DJofSD]

I wonder what the result would be if the Brit's protested Allah during a high holy day?

[prospector]

I wonder what the result would be if the Brit's protested Allah during a high holy day?
great question...why not?
it'll drive the media crazy...

[Tom]

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

Selective targets are out there just waiting for someone with the balls to show up.

Hey, how about this, hcap, since you thinkg SH using poison gas aginst his own people was not grounds enough for wat, how about WE use it in Yemen? Can you get behind that? I mean, you gave SH a pass on it when he had no reason? We certainly have a reason.

[hcap]

Selective targets are out there just waiting for someone with the balls to show up.

Hey, how about this, hcap, since you thinkg SH using poison gas aginst his own people was not grounds enough for wat, how about WE use it in Yemen? Can you get behind that? I mean, you gave SH a pass on it when he had no reason? We certainly have a reason.After all tghese years Tom, I would have thought you would have realized indescrimate murder of women and children don't sit well with me. Or the American people and civilized humans human beings.

Every month another idiotic Islamophobic thread appears here on OT. All call for slaughtering innocent civilians. The assumption of course is that we face an existential threat along the lines of what we faced with the Nazis and Hitler. False premise refereed to as AD Hitleritum

[boxcar]

After all tghese years Tom, I would have thought you would have realized indescrimate murder of women and children don't sit well with me. Or the American people and civilized humans human beings.

Every month another idiotic Islamophobic thread appears here on OT. All call for slaughtering innocent civilians. The assumption of course is that we face an existential threat along the lines of what we faced with the Nazis and Hitler. False premise refereed to as AD Hitleritum

Let me see if I understand you: You do not believe that Islam's mission is world domination? Think carefully before you answer this.

Boxcar

[bigmack]

Every month another idiotic Islamophobic thread appears here on OT. All call for slaughtering innocent civilians.
This is how ridiculously idiotic your camp is. GeoB authorizes H2O boarding 3, including KSM. Now there are calls for a war crimes trial. :lol:

Yet B.O. simply says "Send in the drones and blow 'em up real good."

Where's your outrage?

If they want to hold GeoB for war crimes what's in store for B.O... firing squad?

9rH5eHiNeYg

[hcap]

Let me see if I understand you: You do not believe that Islam's mission is world domination? Think carefully before you answer this.

BoxcarOK let me think about it.

Done.

No I don't.

[JustRalph]

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

NUKE 'EM !!!!!!!!!!

That added so much. Btw, nuking these people would mean nuking their own country.......

This is an invasion plain and simple. There is no other way to look at it. We are falling for the same crap here. We allowed a U.S. Army Officer to attack and kill our own soldiers while he was wearing our own uniform.

You would probably make excuses for him. He did it all in the name of his religion. There are now Somalia Mafia groups in the United States. You can thank Bill Clinton for that one. When do we ever see something for what it really is? Political Correctness will be the end of our country.

[Tom]

The assumption of course is that we face an existential threat along the lines of what we faced with the Nazis and Hitler.

Great example. Obviously, the NAZIS were the enemy, not the ordinary citizens of Germany, although many supported the animals.

But, to win the war, we bombed the hell of cities full of citizens.
As we did with Japan. Do you suggest we should have continued the war on both fronts for decades longer? You would prefer our boys died instead of so-called innocents? What were our boys guilty of?

[boxcar]

OK let me think about it.

Done.

No I don't.

I guess when you studied world religions with your religious think tank group, you took a pass on Islam? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: At least I'm hoping that you're good eye protection down there in the sand.

Btw, maybe you'd like to take a shot at why CAIR is suing Oklahoma for wanting to prohibit its courts from considering sharia law in any of its cases.
Go ahead...humor me. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Native Texan III]

There must be a whole dozen protesters there.
A dozen, in a population of 3 million Muslims.
Tens of thousands, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and agnostics marched against starting the war in Iraq.
The same article showed Remembrance Day being respected by 100s and millions more at work and home. The past wars were in part to maintain free speech and that means views people do not agree with get aired.

If Jesus came down in a spaceship you get the feeling that the paranoid amongst us would be stirring up the mob and going gung ho about nuking the ship just in case it was the Devil in disguise. Get a life - you are all going to die one day.

[Tom]

One guy was going to burn a koran and it was major hoop-la.
Why the double standard?

[rastajenk]

I guess that whole Moorish expansion thing was just them wanting to share some architectural secrets or something benign like that. Hell, even that crazy old Dem Tommie Jefferson knew the Muhammadens were no good. This stuff isn't new, Hcap; it's been going on as long as there has been an Islam (Submission). Dominate the world? Nah...wouldn't think of it.

Of course, it is written that it is forbidden to lie (to another Muslim), but it's OK to lie (to a non-Muslim in the service of Allah). Their actions speak much louder than their empty words.

[hcap]

I guess when you studied world religions with your religious think tank group, you took a pass on Islam? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: At least I'm hoping that you're good eye protection down there in the sand.

Btw, maybe you'd like to take a shot at why CAIR is suing Oklahoma for wanting to prohibit its courts from considering sharia law in any of its cases.
Go ahead...humor me. :rolleyes:

BoxcarThe Oklahoma anti-Sharia law is a perfect example of how you gentlemen and the kneejerk conservative loonies have used Islamophobia This law is as bad as the paranoid Jim Crow laws. Based on prejudice

Any objection by the Muslim community is more in outrage than a so-called agenda to "dominate the world". It also goes to the ant-establishment clause.This law has been ruled against, and probably ruled against again. Interesting to see if it makes it to the SC. Like the Obama BC debate.

Your rabid paranoia is showing.

[hcap]

Some commentary

" legal experts discovered that the language of the amendment is broad enough to prohibit consideration of the Ten Commandments.

This week, we learned that the state law, currently on hold by court order, also inadvertently undermines Native-American faiths.

.... Oklahoma has the second largest population of Native Americans in the U.S and law experts like Oklahoma University law professor Taiawagi Helton point out that language in the law banning courts from looking at "legal precepts of other nations or cultures" could pose a problem if applied to tribal legal cases, as the tribes are considered sovereign nations.

..Oklahoma also appears to have accidentally undermined state businesses that rely on "international treaties to uphold contracts."

Right-wing activists really just wanted to undermine Muslim Americans, but weren't quite sharp enough to recognize the collateral damage of their bigotry."

[hcap]

Great example. Obviously, the NAZIS were the enemy, not the ordinary citizens of Germany, although many supported the animals.

But, to win the war, we bombed the hell of cities full of citizens.
As we did with Japan. Do you suggest we should have continued the war on both fronts for decades longer? You would prefer our boys died instead of so-called innocents? What were our boys guilty of?You are assuming a very small group of extremists are representative of all Muslims. Then make the lame leap of logic implying this rather tiny group of terrorists are the equivalent of WWII wartime Nazi Germany and Japan. Both war time powers were 10's of 1000's times more deadly than terrorists. No, I am not suggesting we ignore or not fight terrorists, but foaming at the mouth doesn't work.

[boxcar]

You are assuming a very small group of extremists are representative of all Muslims. Then make the lame leap of logic implying this rather tiny group of terrorists are the equivalent of WWII wartime Nazi Germany and Japan. Both war time powers were 10's of 1000's times more deadly than terrorists. No, I am not suggesting we ignore or not fight terrorists, but foaming at the mouth doesn't work.

Right after the 911 attacks, more than few Muslims were dancing, clapping and celebrating in the streets. Have you so soon forgotten? (Or did you immediately become a 911 truther investigating Bush's role in the attacks? :rolleyes: )

And what about the mutaween police in Saudi Arabia? You know...that country that let those 15 girls fry to a crisp in a burning building? Does all of Saudi Arabia qualify as a "tiny group" of extremists or terrorists even?

And what about Iran and whackjob rulers in that country? Is Iran, too, a "very small" group of extremists or terrorists?

Boxcar

[prospector]

its time to stop turning the other cheek and reload..

[Greyfox]

You are assuming a very small group of extremists are representative of all Muslims..

Can you offer any explanation as to why the larger group of Muslims are not standing up and shouting them down?? (All sorts of Christians spoke out against the Koran being burned by that wing nut pastor.)

[cj's dad]

You are assuming a very small group of extremists are representative of all Muslims. Then make the lame leap of logic implying this rather tiny group of terrorists are the equivalent of WWII wartime Nazi Germany and Japan. Both war time powers were 10's of 1000's times more deadly than terrorists. No, I am not suggesting we ignore or not fight terrorists, but foaming at the mouth doesn't work.


Sharia Law in the UAE; a country, not a very small group of extremists !!

Couple to be lashed for sex out of wedlock
snip> A Filipina maid and her Bangladeshi lover will receive 100 lashes and be deported for having sex out of wedlock in Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates, a newspaper said.

The Sharjah Sharia Court ordered the Filipina to be lashed 100 times and deported for "unlawful sex", said the Gulf News report.

The Bangladeshi would be lashed for adultery and jailed for a year for entering the house belonging to the Filipina's sponsor without permission before being deported. < snip





The rest here:




http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/15/3067071.htm?section=world

[boxcar]

Sharia Law in the UAE; a country, not a very small group of extremists !!

Couple to be lashed for sex out of wedlock
snip> A Filipina maid and her Bangladeshi lover will receive 100 lashes and be deported for having sex out of wedlock in Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates, a newspaper said.

The Sharjah Sharia Court ordered the Filipina to be lashed 100 times and deported for "unlawful sex", said the Gulf News report.

The Bangladeshi would be lashed for adultery and jailed for a year for entering the house belonging to the Filipina's sponsor without permission before being deported. < snip





The rest here:




http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/15/3067071.htm?section=world

It appears our resident apologist for Islam has forgotten this little "factoid". There are entire countries that live under sharia law, which is hardly "moderate".

Hey, 'cap, you won't find very much empathy-based justice in many of these Muslim countries. It ain't compatible with sharia law.

Boxcar

[bigmack]

No, I am not suggesting we ignore or not fight terrorists, but foaming at the mouth doesn't work.
Sounds exactly like what Madcow does when she talks about 'militia movements' in this country. 'Cept they haven't done 1/1000th of what them Islamo's have.

Boo!

[hcap]

1.6 billion Muslims and anecdotal incidents more cultural than religious. And not representative of the vast majority of Muslims worldwide.

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. The United States has less than 5% of the world's population and 23.4% of the world's prison population.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif/300px-Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif

Should we assume that because we are primarily a Judaic Christian nation our religion is the reason? The crime rate is substantially higher than the number of "religious" events pointed out in the above posts-which are exaggerated as usual

When Christians were burning heretics at the stake or mascaraing Native Americans or employing Iron Maidens should all of Christianity have been condemned? Or was it as much a cultural phenomenon as religious?

What about historical persecution of Jews ? How does that reflect on all Christians? Where are all the Christian apologies? We have had this same debate a number of times. Martin Luther was an avowed anti-Semite and wrote books condemning Jews. Last time we argued this I asked boxcar for an apology. Still waiting.

[hcap]

Sounds exactly like what Madcow does when she talks about 'militia movements' in this country. 'Cept they haven't done 1/1000th of what them Islamo's have.

Boo!Tim McVeigh was a terrorist. We are vulnerable from all sides including wackos on the right. Unless maybe you think we can control terrorists wearing lesbian tool belts?

[johnhannibalsmith]

...

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. The United States has less than 5% of the world's population and 23.4% of the world's prison population.
...

Welp...

Our share of that percentage might be a hare lower if places like Mexico could catch a criminal from time to time.

I don't get this deviation from your argument to make a strange hypothetical corrolation- just to use the graph somewhere? - but other than that...

[bigmack]

Tim McVeigh was a terrorist. We are vulnerable from all sides including wackos on the right. Unless maybe you think we can control terrorists wearing lesbian tool belts?
:lol: :lol: What a fixated little goof you are.

Does Madcow foam at the mouth as well?
_______________________

Oh neato, I see you have another graph.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dv_assets/plot_template.swf?movie_id=482525

[hcap]

Welp...

Our share of that percentage might be a hare lower if places like Mexico could catch a criminal from time to time.

I don't get this deviation from your argument to make a strange hypothetical corrolation- just to use the graph somewhere? - but other than that...You are dreaming right wing delusions if ou think Mexicans are the problem.

"Although black people account for only 12 percent of the U.S. population, an estimated 44 percent of all prisoners in the United States are black."

Problem is cultural. Unless you think blacks are inherently more likely to commit a crime

Hypothetical correlation?? My point is causality is NOT a slam dunk. The causal relationship between some primitive judicial systems and religion is not straightforward.
Islam is the dominant religion in Indonesia, which also has a larger Muslim population than any other country in the world, with approximately 202.9 million identified as Muslim (88.2% of the total population) as of 2009.[1]Annecdotal events that you guys are so fond of posting are underrepresented from Indonesia mostly because the culture is very different from some mid east Muslim countries. Terrorist incidents are less.

Correlation is not necessarily causation.

[hcap]

:lol: :lol: What a fixated little goof you are.

Does Madcow foam at the mouth as well?


I guess you DO believe that lesbian tool belts work.

[bigmack]

You are dreaming right wing delusions if ou think Mexicans are the problem.
That's right. Here in CA and in AZ, TX, NM, WA, OR, NV... Mexicans and crime are not even an issue. It's a right wing delusion. (For people in little ol' Monroe NY) :lol:

[boxcar]

1.6 billion Muslims and anecdotal incidents more cultural than religious. And not representative of the vast majority of Muslims worldwide.

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. The United States has less than 5% of the world's population and 23.4% of the world's prison population.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif/300px-Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif

Should we assume that because we are primarily a Judaic Christian nation our religion is the reason? The crime rate is substantially higher than the number of "religious" events pointed out in the above posts-which are exaggerated as usual

When Christians were burning heretics at the stake or mascaraing Native Americans or employing Iron Maidens should all of Christianity have been condemned? Or was it as much a cultural phenomenon as religious?

What about historical persecution of Jews ? How does that reflect on all Christians? Where are all the Christian apologies? We have had this same debate a number of times. Martin Luther was an avowed anti-Semite and wrote books condemning Jews. Last time we argued this I asked boxcar for an apology. Still waiting.

Why should I apologize? I haven't persecuted any Jews. And who appointed me as some official spokesman for Evangelicals? However, you have conveniently forgotten that I did condemn the persecutions.

But since you're in apology mode, perhaps you should put the shoe on the other foot. Two can play this game. Maybe it's me who should be demanding an apology from you on behalf of all Christ-hating Jews for delivering up Jesus to be unjustly condemned and executed by the Gentiles. Remember, sir, what Jesus told Pilate when he essentially stated that those who delivered him up have the greater sin!

Now...to the more immediate topic at hand -- get your head out of the sand. You're constantly living in the past. You keep insisting that the goal of world domination by Muslims is some mere "cultural" thing. It is not! You keep portraying Muslims as a peace-loving people. They are not. Nor are they very tolerant. In fact, they are just as intolerant of other religions are the Left is intolerant of the Right. You conveniently ignore all the Muslim countries in the world who observe sharia law -- the very law Muslims are dying to introduce into this country. If this isn't their goal, then why would CAIR care whether or not we ban their law from being considered within our justice system in deciding legal matters?

Boxcar

[johnhannibalsmith]

You are dreaming right wing delusions if ou think Mexicans are the problem.


And you are outright comatose if that is your conclusion.

[hcap]

That's right. Here in CA and in AZ, TX, NM, WA, OR, NV... Mexicans and crime are not even an issue. It's a right wing delusion. (For people in little ol' Monroe NY)

I didn't say it was not a problem, but quoted a stat that shows a much larger percentage by ethnic group.

One more time from another source

"About 10.4% of the entire African-American male population in the United States aged 25 to 29 was incarcerated, by far the largest racial or ethnic group—by comparison, 2.4% of Hispanic men and 1.2% of white men in that same age group"

So Biggie, considering that not all Hispanics are illegal Mexicans, that would kinda reduce further that 2.4%. I guess to substantially less than 1% Mexicans?? Yes it is increasing along the border states and illegals are definitively a problem, but it does not alter the stats on incarcerated groups nor the extremely large proportion of the population incarcerated in the US.

Unless of course you have any 4lb studies? Just askin"

[johnhannibalsmith]

... that you guys ...

Please - find just one example of this from me. You guys? Is your world so monochromatic that anyone that ever disagrees with you is "you guys"?

[Greyfox]

Hcap

Question 1. Are you Muslim?

If yes, why haven't you apologized for the "small" group of thugs who are darkening the name of the religion.

If no, why are you diverting the discussion to crimes within America by Americans against each other? What is your vested interest in this thread?

[bigmack]

So Biggie, considering that not all Hispanics are illegal Mexicans, that would kinda reduce further that 2.4%.
:lol: You hauled out that little graph to make a point about Judaic Christian America and now you're embroiled in a Black/Mexican thang?

Go ahead and shore-up your dopey little Judaic Christian point with your graph. You have more than you can handle with that fallacy.

[hcap]

But since you're in apology mode, 18th centuryperhaps you should put the shoe on the other foot. Two can play this game. Maybe it's me who should be demanding an apology from you on behalf of all Christ-hating Jews for delivering up Jesus to be unjustly condemned and executed by the Gentiles. Remember, sir, what Jesus told Pilate when he essentially stated that those who delivered him up have the greater sin!I believe mainsteam Christianity no longer buys into Jews being Christ killers. Evidently you don't. There is no equivalence between what you suggest and the actual persecution of the Jews by Christians. In fact your erroneous 18th century Martin Luther like take on what the Jews supposedly did to Christ is the main reason for Christian persecution thru the years.
You keep insisting that the goal of world domination by Muslims is some mere "cultural" thing.Never said that. Said trhat various expressions of Sharia law varied by the culture of the Muslim country.
the very law Muslims are dying to introduce into this country.
..why would CAIR care whether or not we ban their law from being considered within our justice system in deciding legal matters?
Any facts backing up this hysteria other than a lawsuit challenging the idiotic Oklahoma resolution?? I already explained the constitutional problems and you ave not demonstrated how a creeping Sharia transformation of our judicial system is underway

Absurd to say the least

[hcap]

:lol: You hauled out that little graph to make a point about Judaic Christian America and now you're embroiled in a Black/Mexican thang?

Go ahead and shore-up your dopey little Judaic Christian point with your graph. You have more than you can handle with that fallacy.I "hauled out" 2 sourses to demonstrate to Mister A team.....
Our share of that percentage might be a hare lower if places like Mexico could catch a criminal from time to time. ...and you that Mexicans are not the problem of why we have an exorbitant prison population. Along with my larger point that our religion is not at fault either. IT IS CULTURAL.Get it?

Indonesia has a different culture than mid east Islamic countries and the largest Muslim population in the world and Sharia law is not as egregious in Indonesia as the md east

[hcap]

And you are outright comatose if that is your conclusion.You know John, you can find a fact or 2 that contradicts what I have posted in terms of the outrageous prison population here in the US. Waiting for mack is not an option. Go ahead and support your contention that Mexicans ARE THE problem with facts not conjecture.

[johnhannibalsmith]

.... Go ahead and support your contention that Mexicans ARE THE problem with facts not conjecture.

That was never, ever, ever my contention, so I'll pass on the supporting element. My point was that there is lawlessness in adundance everywhere around us - to take a percentage like the one presented and draw the conclusion that you were using it to support is at a minimum fallible.

Am I out of line in thinking that we probably doing a slightly better job of, percentage wise, incarcerating our violent criminals than, say, the country of Mexico?

I may be.

[hcap]

Hcap

Question 1. Are you Muslim?

If yes, why haven't you apologized for the "small" group of thugs who are darkening the name of the religion.

If no, why are you diverting the discussion to crimes within America by Americans against each other? What is your vested interest in this thread?I have studied a form of Islam called Sufism. But I am not a Muslim. I have no vested interest other than rationality and conscience. I still have many friends that are Muslims and I assure you they are not extremist or thuggish in any way. Not just American Muslims. But many from the mid east. None are sympathetic to terrorism or terrorists. And all felt the same way we did when 911 happened.
So my question to you is-how many Muslims do you know personally?

[boxcar]

I believe mainsteam Christianity no longer buys into Jews being Christ killers. Evidently you don't.

Correcto. I don't because I'm not an apostate, nor do I attend an apostate church. I'm very thankful to God that he has spared me from the grievous errors of "mainstream Christianity" that is traveling that broad path to perdition.

There is no equivalence between what you suggest and the actual persecution of the Jews by Christians. In fact your erroneous 18th century Martin Luther like take on what the Jews supposedly did to Christ is the main reason for Christian persecution thru the years.

Of course, there is. If the Jews hadn't delivered up Christ to Pilate, the early church would have had no excuse to return the favor to the Jews. Note carefully, please, I said "excuse" -- not reason. The early church was severely misguided in their persecution of the Jews. It should never have happened. Just like the Jews had neither excuse or reason to hate their Messiah and to deliver him up on trumped up charges to have him murdered by the hands of the Romans.

John 15:25
25 "But they have done this in order that the word may be fulfilled that is written in their Law, 'They hated Me without a cause.'
NASB


Never said that. Said trhat various expressions of Sharia law varied by the culture of the Muslim country.
Any facts backing up this hysteria other than a lawsuit challenging the idiotic Oklahoma resolution?? I already explained the constitutional problems and you ave not demonstrated how a creeping Sharia transformation of our judicial system is underway

Absurd to say the least

What is absurd is your failure to justify CAIR's actions! Why would they sue the state of Oklahoma if they had no intentions of ever having sharia law introduced [b]into our culture through our legal system?[/quote]? Answer me this. What if a group of Christians wanted the Oklahoma justice system to take into account the Law of Moses into its decision-making process, and they sued the state to achieve this goal? I'd bet my last dollar you'd wouldn't say absurd to that attempt?

Boxcar

[boxcar]

So my question to you is-how many Muslims do you know personally?

While you're at it, why not conduct a survey and also ask all conservatives how many black friends and acquaintances we have :bang: :bang:

Boxcar

[Greyfox]

So my question to you is-how many Muslims do you know personally?

I meet Muslims every day as they go about their work.
On a personal basis, essentially just three. My son was in a business partnership with two. That didn't work out.
They had a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back" mentality,
which also had a kicker "I'll do something to you, before you do something to me."
They were very shrewd Lebanese businessmen.
The third one was a delightful lady. We never discussed religion although she wore a hijab. She was very bright, raised in the West, and still single.

But you haven't answered why the prominent leaders of the "silent majority" aren't speaking out against these extremist wing nuts who are giving their religion a bad name.

[hcap]

I meet Muslims every day as they go about their work.
On a personal basis, essentially just three. My son was in a business partnership with two. That didn't work out.
They had a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back" mentality,
which also had a kicker "I'll do something to you, before you do something to me."They do. But most Islamophobics focus on the "evils" that abound. And certainly the Islamophobic web sites
They were very shrewd Lebanese businessmen.
The third one was a delightful lady. We never discussed religion although she wore a hijab. She was very bright, raised in the West, and still single.

But you haven't answered why the prominent leaders of the "silent majority" aren't speaking out against these extremist wing nuts who are giving their religion a bad name.

Go here......

http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html

Many many condemnations of terrorists by renowned Islamic religious leaders

[hcap]

Correcto. I don't because I'm not an apostate, nor do I attend an apostate church. I'm very thankful to God that he has spared me from the grievous errors of "mainstream Christianity" that is traveling that broad path to perdition.

Of course, there is. If the Jews hadn't delivered up Christ to Pilate, the early church would have had no excuse to return the favor to the Jews. Note carefully, please, I said "excuse" -- not reason. The early church was severely misguided in their persecution of the Jews. It should never have happened. Just like the Jews had neither excuse or reason to hate their Messiah and to deliver him up on trumped up charges to have him murdered by the hands of the Romans.

BoxcarYou are a nut case. No sense in arguing with you. "If the Jews hadn't delivered up Christ to Pilate, the early church would have had no excuse to return the favor to the Jews. " , is an interpretation that remained in Christianity until Christians realized how mistaken it was. . "Returning the favor" as you so put it, was not done solely by just the early church, but existed up until recently. You are a pretty pathetic Christian

[Greyfox]

Hcap - you quoted me but in doing so you altered what I said and added:

"They do. But most Islamophobics focus on the "evils" that abound. And certainly the Islamophobic web sites"


I don't mind you quoting what I've wrote. I abhor the idea that you would alter my text.

[Rookies]

Can you offer any explanation as to why the larger group of Muslims are not standing up and shouting them down?? (All sorts of Christians spoke out against the Koran being burned by that wing nut pastor.)

This is a good question, even if you make the assumption that haters of western culture engaged in jihad/ other public displays, ranging from anti modern behaviour to terrorism are only a small fraction of the total number of Muslims. Still, that number is probably into 7 figures given the 1.5 billion Muslims on the planet.

A smaller subset does voice public opposition to some of the most extreme positions, however. One of the Canadian ones is the MCC. See:http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/whoweare.html

So, there are Muslim voices decrying the excesses. But, admittedly, this is a complex quation for Muslims everywhere. They get their core teachings from their mosque and many imams and leaders are hard core upholders of conservative :rolleyes: values, and beliefs of Islam.

[Greyfox]

So, there are Muslim voices decrying the excesses.

Yes, with over a billion followers of Islam there are some voices crying out.
One would expect that by chance alone.
However, the "FEAR FACTOR" embedded in this religion keeps many of them silent. They don't dare be labelled infidels for showing oppositional creative thought.

[cj's dad]

"Although black people account for only 12 percent of the U.S. population, an estimated 44 percent of all prisoners in the United States are black."

Problem is cultural. Unless you think blacks are inherently more likely to commit a crime

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Yes, I do in and around the inner cities.

[boxcar]

You are a nut case. No sense in arguing with you. "If the Jews hadn't delivered up Christ to Pilate, the early church would have had no excuse to return the favor to the Jews. " , is an interpretation that remained in Christianity until Christians realized how mistaken it was. . "Returning the favor" as you so put it, was not done solely by just the early church, but existed up until recently. You are a pretty pathetic Christian

And you're even a more pathetic revisionist -- right on par with the modern day deniers of the holocaust.

The only mistake involved was the one of revenge harbored by ignorant religious zealots. But their mistake doesn't change the historical facts believed firmly by those closest to the actual events of the time and recorded in scripture by or through witnesses. You don't like what scripture records but that's your problem in the same way it is for the Ahmadinejads of the world who deny the historical facts of the holocaust.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Problem is cultural. Unless you think blacks are inherently more likely to commit a crime

Or, many are dependent on the democrats, who are inherently racist.
Many live under dem city governments, which are all corrupt.
Many come from families totally destroyed by the dems over the years.

Oh, and you should note a capital letter is proper when using Black in this sense, not he diminutive b you used. Was that some kind of slip? :confused:

[hcap]

What is absurd is your failure to justify CAIR's actions! Why would they sue the state of Oklahoma if they had no intentions of ever having sharia law introduced [b]into our culture through our legal system?

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/judge_blocks_okla_sharia_ban_case_goes_to_very_fou .php?ref=fpb

Judge Blocks Okla. Sharia Ban: Case Goes To 'Very Foundation Of Our Country'

A federal judge has granted a preliminary injunction against Oklahoma's so-called "Sharia ban," saying the case goes "to the very foundation of our country, our Constitution, and particularly, the Bill of Rights."

Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange, who presides over a federal court in the western district of Oklahoma, ruled that a CAIR official suing to block the law will likely succeed in his efforts.

"Specifically, the Court finds that plaintiff has made a strong showing that State Question
755's amendment's primary effect inhibits religion and that the amendment fosters an excessive government entanglement with religion

[Tom]

Do you support make the 10 Commandments part of our legal system?
Catholic Cannons?

Or is separation of Church and state selective?

[hcap]

"...fosters an excessive government entanglement with religion."

Thinking that Sharia law is gonna get ya' is quite excessive. Maybe if it was a real threat to our judicial system the court would have ruled otherwise. More Islamophobia.

[Tom]

Why is it islamophobia, when they have been trying to force sharia law onto other nations as well as us, when CLEARLY, it violates our seperation of Church and State?

Is it not the duty of law to clarify that?

Sorry, hcap, can't have it both ways.

[hcap]

Tom, one one example of Sharia law affecting our courts?

[JustRalph]

I just renamed a couple of my rifles......

Sharia and Law.......

There was much speculation that this law would be struck down before it even went to vote. It was very very symbolic and was an expression of the will of the people more than anything.

[boxcar]

Tom, one one example of Sharia law affecting our courts?

Helllo, Planet Earth calling Hcap. We Earthlings whose feet touch our planet firmly are sending you this signal. We hope you get it before it's too late:

SHARIA LAW HAS ALREADY SERIOUSLY IMPACTED SOCIAL AND PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES IN OTHER NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD THROUGH VARIOUS NATIONS' SECULAR LEGAL SYSTEMS

Why in the world do you think Oklahoma is trying to take these preemptive steps? :bang: :bang: They know what is going on in the rest of the world!

This judge's decision is insane! HOW does OK's amendment "inhibit" the [Muslim] religion? How? The State of Oklahoma doesn't want to interfere with Muslims' PRACTICE of religion in any way, shape or form. What the state wants to do is ensure that the Muslims don't interfere in OUR WAY of American life -- don't inject their peculiar religion into our social and public policies through the state's secular legal system. This liberal judge has it all backwards!

As I have asked in the past (and as Tom has again asked): What if Evangelical Christians sued a state to try to force it to incorporate the Ten Commandments into its legal system for purposes of influencing public policy issues through the court system? You and every other like-minded person would take to the streets in virtual full riot gear to demand that the state honor the Separation of Church and State Doctrine, wouldn't you? And you'd have more than a few conservatives locking arms with you, too!

You are such a hypocrite, 'cap! I truly don't know how you can stand to live with yourself! How do you look at yourself in the mirror? Seriously. Your hatred for Freedom, Capitalism, the American Dream, Traditional American Values, etc. has so blinded you that you can't see the parallels? It won't take very much effort at all for the blind guides to lead you into the ditch.

Boxcar

[dartman51]

Why is it islamophobia, when they have been trying to force sharia law onto other nations as well as us, when CLEARLY, it violates our seperation of Church and State?

Is it not the duty of law to clarify that?

Sorry, hcap, can't have it both ways.

Understand, Tom, that Hcap and a few others here, have had their head up their a$$ so long, I think they enjoy the view. You can show them proof something in black and white, but if it don't fit into their little box, then it is not proof of anything. Show them what is happening elsewhere, and their response is, " that will never happen here." Small minds all think alike, they can't see the big picture. Read the article at this link and tell me how " this would never happen here."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sudanese_Civil_War#Outbreak

All it takes is for 1 weak minded judge to get it started. Once it gets a foothold, it grows like the plague.

[hcap]

SHARIA LAW HAS ALREADY SERIOUSLY IMPACTED SOCIAL AND PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES IN OTHER NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD THROUGH VARIOUS NATIONS' SECULAR LEGAL SYSTEMS

That is debatable. But where is the ONE example of even a minuscule threat here?

[Greyfox]

I am not Islamophobic.
However, I believe that Sharia Law should never get a toe hold anywhere in North America.
The principles of Sharia are repugnant to anyone who has a moral development level higher than a gutter rat.
Here are some of its tenets as explained in Sharia for Dummies:

1- Jihad defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.

3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.

4- A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.

5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.

6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.

7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam.

8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.

9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : 1) an apostasy 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.

10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.

11- Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.

12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for crimes of sin such as adultery.

13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.

30- To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses.

31- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.

32- A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Some schools of Sharia allow the face and some don’t.

33- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”


More at link: http://bigpeace.com/ndarwish/2010/08/26/sharia-for-dummies/

[boxcar]

That is debatable. But where is the ONE example of even a minuscule threat here?

What part of preemptive, don't you understand? And furthermore, WHY would CAIR care about OK's amendment if they did not intend, at some point in the future, to integrate their law into our secular legal system? Why would they care? Oklahoma's amendment would not have interfered or inhibited THEIR practice of THEIR religion. (Oh wait...I nearly forgot, it would have because the goal of Islam is world domination. The singular goal of Islam is for universal conversion.)

'cap, would you be alright if Evangelical Christians tried to get a state amendment passed that would legitimatize the Mosaic Law for use in the state's legal system? Remember: The Ten Commandments are really not the entire Law of God. The Ten Commandments are a synopsis of the law -- a condensed, succinct statement of the Moral Law . Israel's theocracy consisted are far more laws than the Ten Commandments. What about all the civil and ceremonial aspects to God's law? This is why these kinds of laws are often referred to as "statutes" in scripture. So, you'd be okay with Christians trying to force a state government to give equal time to the Mosaic Law as it does with any other kind of law within the legal process?
Yes or No? And if the state refused to and the Christians went to court to sue, what do you think the chances are that a judge would overturn the state refusal because otherwise it would be inhibiting the Christians' religion? :bang: :bang: :bang:

Boxcar

[Spiderman]

No religious dictates should be part of any court room discussion. US laws should not be connected to any religion.

Muslims seem to be getting kid glove treatment, as to not show islamaphobia. There is no other religion that has precepts to overthrow all other religions.

[boxcar]

Understand, Tom, that Hcap and a few others here, have had their head up their a$$ so long, I think they enjoy the view.

Not to mention the quality of air. :lol: :lol:

You can show them proof something in black and white, but if it don't fit into their little box, then it is not proof of anything. Show them what is happening elsewhere, and their response is, " that will never happen here." Small minds all think alike, they can't see the big picture. Read the article at this link and tell me how " this would never happen here."

This is why we call them sheeple. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah is the mantra of small minds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sudanese_Civil_War#Outbreak

All it takes is for 1 weak minded judge to get it started. Once it gets a foothold, it grows like the plague.

In the bible, Christians are told to be as wise as serpents but innocent as doves. What the Christian community in OK should do is wait for all the dust to settle on this case and to have settled case law behind them. Assuming CAIR wins, the Christians should collect enough signatures to get the Mosaic Law put on a state amendment. Then get the voters to vote on the amendment and get the amendment passed. Then watch the Hcaps of the world crawl out of the woodwork like bombed cockroaches. Watch the ACLU get involved to block the amendment, etc., etc. Watch all the liberal hypocrites implode.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Scroll down toward the bottom of this link and look at the numerous examples of PC-based public policy issues in favor of Muslims and observance of Sharia Law.

http://oldironsides-thesilentmajority.blogspot.com/2010/09/examples-of-sharia-compliant-law-in-non.html

It's coming, folks. Remember: The goal of Islam is nothing short of universal conversion. They don't want to assimilate into OUR society. Instead, they demand that we to assimilate into THEIR culture and religion.

Boxcar

[hcap]

Remember: The goal of Islam is nothing short of universal conversion. They don't want to assimilate into OUR society. Instead, they demand that we to assimilate into THEIR culture and religion.

Your opinion. Not rue of mainstream Islam. We have had this discussion many many times before. I am beginning to think you know as much about Islam as you know about Christianity. Very little.

[boxcar]

Your opinion. Not rue of mainstream Islam. We have had this discussion many many times before. I am beginning to think you know as much about Islam as you know about Christianity. Very little.

"Mainstream Islam" is for all practical intent and purposes a fiction. If there ever were any "moderates" within, their voice has all but been silenced. They're no longer in control, so your argument is moot.

Furthermore, all mainstream religions make it a point to assimilate into a society's culture. But this isn't the case with Islam. Islam's goal is to force the cultures and societies into the mold of Islam. (See my last link I posted that provided numerous examples of this.)

Furthermore, if CAIR were "mainstream" why would they care about OK's amendment since the amendment does not infringe on their religious freedom?
What is the motive by CAIR's suit?

It is most revealing what the justice stopped short of saying. She did NOT say that it inhibited religious PRACTICE. She was intentionally vague by saying that it "inhibited religion", never explaining how or in what sense.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

[QUOTE=boxcar]"Mainstream Islam" is for all practical intent and purposes a fiction. If there ever were any "moderates" within, their voice has all but been silenced. They're no longer in control, so your argument is moot.

Furthermore, all mainstream religions make it a point to assimilate into a society's culture. But this isn't the case with Islam. Islam's goal is to force the cultures and societies into the mold of Islam. (See my last link I posted that provided numerous examples of this.)

Also, if CAIR were "mainstream" why would they care about OK's amendment since the amendment does not infringe on their religious freedom?
What is the motive by CAIR's suit?

It is most revealing what the justice stopped short of saying. She did NOT say that it inhibited religious PRACTICE. She was intentionally vague by saying that it "inhibited religion", never explaining how or in what sense.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

I am one of the servants of Allah. We do our duty of fighting for the sake of the religion of Allah. It is also our duty to send a call to all the people of the world to enjoy this great light and to embrace Islam and experience the happiness in Islam. Our primary mission is nothing but the furthering of this religion. ...

Osama: Yes! We are carrying on the mission of our Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). The mission is to spread the word of God, not to indulge [in] massacring people.

As for you, fighters who came from afar, by Allah, missions of da'wa [the propagation of Islam] have never been a road lined with roses and sweet basil; the price of da'wa missions is heavy, and the price of bringing principles to the land of reality is a lot of torn limbs and blood. The light of dawn shall not be lit in this darkness save by Jihad fighters and shahids.

Quran 61:9 is analyzed first:

Maulana Muhammad Ali is an apologist (defender) for Islam, more than an objective scholar, and he translates as follows:

61:9 He it is Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth that He may make it prevail over all religions, though the polytheists are averse. (Maulana)

The following translation is approved and funded by the Saudi Royal family; the parenthetical explanations are original:

61:9 He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islamic monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrik�n (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and His Messenger Muhammad) hate (it). (Hilali and Khan)

The word 'religion' is really singular. And this translation by Majid Fakhry, emeritus (retired) professor at the American University in Lebanon, living now in the US, is approved by al—Azhar University, Egypt, the most prestigious university in the Islamic world, and catches the meaning of the singular:

61:9 It is He Who has sent His Messenger forth with the guidance and the religion of truth, to make it triumph over every religion, even though the idolaters may be averse. (Fakhry)

Allah's Messenger said: 'By Him (Allah) in Whose Hand my soul is, surely the son of Mary [Isa (Jesus)] will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims), and will judge mankind justly by the Law of the Quran (as a just ruler) and will break the Cross and kill pigs and abolish the Jizyah [a tax] . . . .'

Thus, Muslims believe that Christ will return as a Muslim, break the cross in a symbolic display to show Christians how wrong they are, and kill pigs, which are unclean animals to Muslims, but which Christians may eat. Indeed, Muslims believe that Christ did not actually die on the cross, but another man took his place. The odd belief of the non—crucifixion has been refuted here.

Undeterred by the questionable, unresearched historicizing that denies the crucifixion, Hilali and Khan themselves offer this warning to Christians, based on Bukhari's hadith:

[I]t is a severe warning to the Christians who claim to be the followers of Isa (Jesus) and he will break the Cross and kill the pigs, and he will abolish the Jizya (tax); and all mankind will be required to embrace Islam with no alternative.

The second passage is 48:28, and reads nearly identically to 61:9:

The two conservative scholars receiving Saudi support translate as follows:

48:28 He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), that He may make it (Islam) superior to all religions. And All—Sufficient is Allah as a Witness. (Hilali and Khan, parenthetical notes are theirs)

Majid Fakhry, instead of 'superior,' uses 'exalt it above':

48:28 It is He Who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may exalt it above every other religion. Allah suffices as Witness. (Fakhry)

Abdullah Yusuf Ali, a moderate scholar, has:

48:28 It is He Who has sent his Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over All Religion; and enough is God for a Witness. (Yusuf Ali)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/11/islamists_and_religious_world.html

'cap, I have forgotten more about Islam than you'll ever know; therefore, what does that say about my knowledge of the bible? ;)

Talking of which...the bible never expressed these kinds of world domination-like sentiments. In Christ's Great Commission to his disciples, he simply told them to go into the world and "make disciples of all nations". Nowhere in scripture does God advocate evangelism-by-violence approach! Nowhere in scripture are Christians commanded to force unbelievers to come to faith under the penalty of physical death.

Christ told Peter once that he would make this fisherman by trade a fisherman of men -- not a killer of men! Not a murderer of men in the name of his Master.

Boxcar

[hcap]

You do the same for Christianity as you do for Islam. Since we never really discussed Judaism or Buddhism or Hinduism, I would guess you think about these in in similar ways. Literal minded. Based on cherry picked passages Seeing the trees and missing the forest. You would do better to examine similarities common to all. Less hate involved then focusing on the differences.

Anyway try this..

http://www.religioustolerance.org/islam.htm

"If anyone harms (others), God will harm him, and if anyone shows hostility to others, God will show hostility to him." Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1625.

"Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians...and (all) who believe in God and the last day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." The Qur'an, 2:62

[boxcar]

You do the same for Christianity as you do for Islam. Since we never really discussed Judaism or Buddhism or Hinduism, I would guess you think about these in in similar ways. Literal minded. Based on cherry picked passages Seeing the trees and missing the forest. You would do better to examine similarities common to all. Less hate involved then focusing on the differences.

Anyway try this..

Not surprising that the Koran would contain contradictory passages. What would you expect from a man-made religion? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: As the Good Book essentially says, "let God be true and every man a liar".

I think all other religions are certainly inferior to biblical Christianity for a host of reasons -- too many to discuss here. But regardless of what I think about those religions, I respect people's right to worship or not worship whatever or whoever it is they think they are worshiping. No one should be coerced or forced to believe something they don't want -- because once that is done, the faith of the convert isn't genuine to begin with. Any religion that desires to force its views upon others is doing it for mind-control, propaganda purposes. That religion's adherents simply want to brainwash the people.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

They will lie to make Islam more attractive to potential converts as they speak of “no compulsion in religion” while all of them know that verse was abrogated by later verses. They will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Mohammed was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Very interesting article.

However, the most dangerous trend because it is subtler is that incarnated by Tariq Ramadan, a scholar who has become a leading figure in Europe and is consulted as an expert by Western governments.

Ramadan says that Muslims in Europe want to become European Muslims but for this to happen European society must recognise Muslims and give them the necessary space to express ourselves.

In practical terms this means converting Europe’s social and legal systems in order to facilitate converting people. It means Islamising institutions on the premise that since Europe no longer has a soul but only technology, Islam is the only religion that can fill the void.

Throughout Islam’s history conversions were the consequences of systems’ changes. In Egypt for instance a Christian who wanted to play a role in politics sooner or later had to convert with his family automatically following. Today anyone who wants to be a government minister, a head physician or an army general needs the advantages that come with being Muslim. As a result of this over the centuries the best and brightest and their offspring could only leave.

Did everyone catch this? In order for Muslims to "express themselves" in a non-Muslim culture, they actively seek to convert a country's social and legal systems! By converting these systems, it becomes relatively easy to convert the people. Is it any wonder CAIR is suing Oklahoma? And, evidently, this is very old strategy.

Again, this goes right to the heart of what I told Hcap earlier. Muslims have NO interest in assimilating into our society. Their goal is get us to assimilate into theirs. This policy and process is consistent with the politically-oriented goal of world domination.

http://www.dailyestimate.com/article.asp?id=10854

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Well, the Islamic Liberation party ‘Hizb Ut Tahrir’ certainly seems to think that the War on Terror is a War on Islam. And not only that, they are putting forth their case for the return of the Islamic State remarkably well, and ever so defiantly against the U.S. and U.K.

Their objective is to politically unify the Muslim World and its resources, to become the world’s one and only authentic Islamic State. A genuine and Sharia-governed Islamic State without Western designated ‘artificial’ borders, without corrupt dictators and non-Islamic leaderships and without the influence of Western imposed democracy, Imperialistic and Colonialist agendas. An Islamic Superpower ruled under one leader -- Islamically elected, of course.

One reason why the political case to unite the Muslim World and its resources is so appealing to Muslims is because this will also cause an affront to Western powers. And the following will prove it to be immediately obvious as to why.

It's a long read, but a good one because it looks at the goals of Islam from inside the Islamic fish bowl of one of their own conferecnes.

It helps greatly to understand the enemy and how they intend to achieve their goals. As stated often, their goal is to "proselytize" through a nation's social and legal system. This buys them the facade of respectability and acceptability. These in turn gives them the green light to openly preach their radical messages in mosques right within our country. If someone dares to question their seditious "preaching", that person will immediately be accused of "Islamaphobia" and also be accused of trampling on their free speech rights and rights to practice their religion. They have all this worked out and figured out as a science. They know we're soft, and they intend to take advantage of all our PC-induced vulnerabilities.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200808201764/world/terrorism/islam-on-the-march-to-world-domination-update-august-20-2008.html

Boxcar

[Greyfox]

Did everyone catch this? In order for Muslims to "express themselves" in a non-Muslim culture, they actively seek to convert a country's social and legal systems!
Boxcar


Did everyone catch this?
"Yes." (I do not believe every Muslim thinks that way. I also don't believe that every Muslim "thinks." Most follow.)

[hcap]

This must be the one example of a REAL THREAT that sharia law is gonna' subvert our judicial system. Don't know how you guys missed it.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/christian_minister_muslim_congressmans_support_of_ homosexuals_is_part_of_sharia_plot.php

"A Christian minister in Minnesota said on his radio program that the nation's first Muslim member of Congress was soliciting the support of the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community to implement Sharia law. Follow his logic with us, wouldn't you?

Bradlee Dean of the religious ministry You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International said on his radio program that Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) is only supporting LGBT rights as part of a strategy to bring Sharia law to the United States, the Minnesota Independent reported.

"I said time and time again that there is a correlation between the Muslims and the homosexual agenda, and we have a couple of fools in the state of Minnesota that are putting a rope around their neck and they just don't realize it," Dean said on a radio. "Here, let me give it to you this way: Keith Ellison is a Muslim."

[Greyfox]

Bradlee Dean of the religious ministry You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International said.....
"I said time and time again that there is a correlation between the Muslims and the homosexual agenda,..."

Only a complete ignoramus about Islam could make that statement.
Bradlee Dean's comment suggests that he is one.

[boxcar]

Only a complete ignoramus about Islam could make that statement.
Bradlee Dean's comment suggests that he is one.

'cap has never heard about the role Useful Idiots play in society. Nor has 'cap ever heard of the old Arab proverb that says, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." In short, 'cap is pretty clueless, which many of us have known for quite some time now. :lol: :lol:

Boxcar

[hcap]

So box should we concern ourselves that the transgender infidels are going to spread sharia law? Maybe thru infiltrating our schools disguised as 60 tear old english or gym teachers? I know fundamentalist Islam isn't too fond of "alternative" lifestyles, ( then again name ANY fundy who is ) but what better way to keep us off guard and then pounce when libs like me think it couldn't happen here.

PS: Wasn't there a movie "Lib like Me" with James Whitmore?

[boxcar]

So box should we concern ourselves that the transgender infidels are going to spread sharia law? Maybe thru infiltrating our schools disguised as 60 tear old english or gym teachers? I know fundamentalist Islam isn't too fond of "alternative" lifestyles, ( then again name ANY fundy who is ) but what better way to keep us off guard and then pounce when libs like me think it couldn't happen here.

PS: Wasn't there a movie "Lib like Me" with James Whitmore?

Was my previous post a little too "nuanced" for you? Had a tough, did you, understanding that camel-born proverb?

Boxcar
P.S. Also, are you so naive that you believe that you're the only one on this globe who subscribes to an "ends justifies the means" based morality? :rolleyes: