Boehner Set To Lead Us Off A Cliff

[NJ Stinks]

Big John and I both smoke but we're not smoking the same weed apparently.
From the Washington Post website:
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Boehner's health delusion



By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, November 9, 2010;


With a John Boehner speakership fast approaching, I dutifully read up on the man. I learned he is a Midwestern fellow, born (like us all) into the virtuous lower middle class, one of 12 siblings and a man whose early career, in an unironic homage to "The Graduate," was in plastics. What I did not know - what was missing entirely from my reading - is that he might be French.

Or Japanese. Or Finnish or British or even German. Whatever the case, this much is clear: No American, certainly not one about to occupy a leadership position in our government, could possibly call the American health-care system "the best health care system in the world (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/transcript/john-boehner-talks-taxes-health-care-and-gop-agenda?page=2)." Boehner did just that last week. He was having an out-of-country experience.

For statistical refutation, we need only refer to the CIA's World Factbook (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/) (no lefty think tank, to be sure) and check the health statistics. The United States is 49th in life expectancy (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html). Our proud nation bests the Libyans in this category but not Japan, France, Spain, Britain or, of course, Italy. You not only live about two years longer in Italy, but you eat better, too.

The same doleful situation applies to infant mortality (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html). This is the saddest of all categories since it relates to infants who don't make it to their first birthday. The CIA tells us that the nations that do the worst in this category are, not surprisingly, mostly in Africa. Then comes much of Asia and parts of South America, but when you start getting up there a bit, Cuba does better than the United States and so do Italy, Hungary, Greece, Canada, Portugal, Britain, Australia and Israel, among others. This should be an embarrassment to us all - but, clearly, it is not. To Boehner, these figures - infants dying before they can get a cupcake with a single candle - don't exist. Rather than improve the situation, he might want to cut the CIA's appropriation.

more at the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/08/AR2010110804894.html?nav=hcmoduletmv

[bigmack]

Wow. An article written for complete maroons by a total buffoon.

Cohen, who was voted "worst writer of 2009" http://wonkette.com/410151/worlds-worst-writer-richard-cohen-back-in-form-pens-worst-article-anywhere-on-the-internet-right-now

...takes the line "best healthcare system in the world" and puts in next to life expectancy figures. :lol:

Kindergarten-like debate technique that would be ridiculed even around here yet someone falls for it in the WaPo and takes the time to post it here.

Look at this punkish line:

For Democrats, there's hope in Boehner's chirpy pronouncement. It shows a GOP out of touch with reality, a party of Marie Antoinettes, babbling total nonsense about health care.

How utterly pathetic all the way around. :D

[newtothegame]

NJ...since you seemed worried about this countries LEADERSHIP and their history or backgrounds, I figured this would be a good spot for this......

Ben Shapiro (http://townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/)

Barack Obama's Secret History


We've all heard President Barack Obama's American journey. Twice. In "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," Obama told his glossy, airbrushed story: son of a black father and single mother with international background but American values, a man who overcame his personal struggle with race to become a great uniter.

Then there are the untold parts of his background that we've heard from other sources: his associations with Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. His real estate dealings with corrupt businessman Tony Rezko. His political backstabbing in Chicago.

Finally, there are the parts of his story we never hear about at all: the stories from his childhood and adolescence. The most formative time of our lives are the years between birth and age 21, when we explore who we are and learn from those who surround us. We know virtually nothing about this time in President Obama's life. But we're learning.

Young Barry Obama spent the ages from 6 to 10 attending school in Indonesia after his mother married Lolo Soetoro. During that time, according to Obama's third-grade teacher, the "fat, curly-haired, curious" Barry studied Quran and went to Islamic classes over the protestations of his mother, Ann. Ann apparently showed up at the school demanding to know why the religious teacher had accepted young Barry into class. "But," said Barry's teacher, "he kept going to the classes because he was interested in Islam. He would also join the other pupils for Muslim prayers."

Even as young Obama reportedly embraced the Quran, his nanny was teaching him about other lifestyles. According to The New York Times, "His nanny was an openly gay man who, in keeping with Indonesia's relaxed attitudes toward homosexuality, carried on an affair with a local butcher, longtime residents said." The nanny was part of a transvestite volleyball group who called themselves the Fantastic Dolls.

Perhaps, the most enlightening detail from that Times article came from one of Obama's childhood friends, Slamet Januadi. One time, Januadi related, Obama asked some of his friends whether they'd rather be the president, a businessman or a soldier. The soldier would be armed, the businessman would be rich, and the president would have nothing. The boys gave various answers.

"Then," Januadi recalled, "Barry said he would become president and order the soldier to guard him and the businessman to use his money to build him something. We told him, 'You cheated. You didn't give us those details.'"

As a teenager back in Hawaii, Obama hung out with a neighborhood friend he calls "Frank" in "Dreams From My Father." "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis, a highly vocal member of the Communist Party, a rancid racist, a pornographer and child rapist. During college, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a college friend. In those years, the country was ruled by General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, a radical Islamist who actually established Shariah rule in the country.

What do these seemingly disconnected events tell us about President Obama?

First, they tell us that he always had -- and still has -- a tremendous love for Islam and radical Muslims. Obama famously described the Islamic call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

http://townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/2010/11/10/barack_obamas_secret_history/page/1

bolding by me :)

[redshift1]

Hey I gotta stick with the Boehnsters on this after all look at his resume

Seven years for a Business Degree is impressive but a mere footnote compared to the 4745 day (13 year) journey of the inimitable O'Donnell. Makes Palin's 5 year 4 school odyssey a valedictorian effort of unswerving perseverance.


Besides there's no health care problem just ask the 59 million americans who are without it. (CDC report).




He graduated from Cincinnati Moeller High School in 1968, when U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War was at its peak. Boehner enlisted in the United States Navy but was honorably discharged after eight weeks for medical reasons.[5] He earned his bachelor's degree in business from Xavier University in Cincinnati in 1977, becoming the first person in his family to attend college, taking seven years as he held several jobs to pay for his education.[3] He subsequently accepted a position with Nucite Sales, a small sales business in the packaging and plastics industry, where he eventually became president of the firm.[6]

[Pell Mell]

And, if you discount accidents and homicides we have the HIGHEST life expectancy in the world.

[Tom]

Suicides are expected to go down, now that the dems lost the house!

[Valuist]

Italy, Portugal, Hungary and Greece. All countries going severely broke. Who wants to be like them? Apparently a dope like Richard Cohen.

[delayjf]

taking seven years as he held several jobs to pay for his education

What's wrong with working your way through school??? At least you know he did blow Gov money buying cocaine.

[Tom]

How much more HC would our citizens have available if we stopped handing it out to illegals?

[prospector]

its all in your perspective..
nj sees us going down a cliff...
i see boehner leading us up from the obama abyss...

[cj's dad]

Besides there's no health care problem just ask the 59 million americans who are without it. (CDC report).


Factually incorrect statement; no one is without health care unless they live in the desert. What SOME are without is (ta da - try to keep up) is HEALTH INSURANCE !!!

[jballscalls]

how does Boehner know that we have the best health care in the world if he's probably never received Health Care anywhere else??

[Mike at A+]

You not only live about two years longer in Italy, but you eat better, too.
Ever think that there might be a correlation between those two facts?

[ArlJim78]

how does Boehner know that we have the best health care in the world if he's probably never received Health Care anywhere else??
I can ask the same question of those who supported Obamacare. Did they all receive healthcare in other countries? What do we make of the people from those other countries who know very well their systems who emphatically recommended that we don't try to emulate it?

The bottom line is this, the ObamaCare bill will not bring us closer to what other countries are doing. Instead it will move is in the opposite direction. Higher costs and fewer choices.

As was said numerous times during the healthcare debates, nobody argued that we couldn't or shouldn't improve our system, but what was passed, or should I say rammed through, does not improve things.

[jballscalls]

I can ask the same question of those who supported Obamacare. Did they all receive healthcare in other countries? What do we make of the people from those other countries who know very well their systems who emphatically recommended that we don't try to emulate it?

The bottom line is this, the ObamaCare bill will not bring us closer to what other countries are doing. Instead it will move is in the opposite direction. Higher costs and fewer choices.

As was said numerous times during the healthcare debates, nobody argued that we couldn't or shouldn't improve our system, but what was passed, or should I say rammed through, does not improve things.

another good question! all these questions should be asked!! i wasn't inferring that Obamacare is a good answer, i think it's horrible.

i love our healthcare system, and being a mental patient myself, i've received amazing treatment over the years by people who truly care about their jobs and their care.

i dont think anything is wrong with the healthcare portion of our system....the insurance portion is another story though

[BlueShoe]

Off a cliff? More like up a ladder. Out of the bog that the Democrats created called socialism.

[redshift1]

Factually incorrect statement; no one is without health care unless they live in the desert. What SOME are without is (ta da - try to keep up) is HEALTH INSURANCE !!!

For your semantic pleasure click below.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/10/health/main7040408.shtml

[cj's dad]

For your semantic pleasure click below.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/10/health/main7040408.shtml

I don't need to read an article from CBS news :lol::lol: to know the difference between Health Care and Health Insurance.

You get sick you go the the Drs. and maybe it costs you $75 + a scrip. You pay out of pocket or with a credit card or you don't go UNLESS YOU HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

[redshift1]

I don't need to read an article from CBS news :lol::lol: to know the difference between Health Care and Health Insurance.

You get sick you go the the Drs. and maybe it costs you $75 + a scrip. You pay out of pocket or with a credit card or you don't go UNLESS YOU HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

Yogi Berra logic raised to the the power of infinity.

[cj's dad]

Yogi Berra logic raised to the the power of infinity.

OK Yogi pay attention. (On a side note why do I continuously try to help these obviously less gifted individuals living among us).

The headline from YOUR article:

Report: 59 Million Americans Lack Health Care


The following is the opening sentence from the article:




Pay close attention and read very slowly:





Brace yourself -




Take a deep breath -








(CBS) More than 59 million Americans had no health insurance for at least part of 2010.

Have some warm milk and Oreos; you'll feel better !!

[redshift1]

OK Yogi pay attention. (On a side note why do I continuously try to help these obviously less gifted individuals living among us).

The headline from YOUR article:

Report: 59 Million Americans Lack Health Care


The following is the opening sentence from the article:




Pay close attention and read very slowly:





Brace yourself -




Take a deep breath -








(CBS) More than 59 million Americans had no health insurance for at least part of 2010.

Have some warm milk and Oreos; you'll feel better !!

Anyone can see the terms Health Care and Health Insurance are used synonymously in the article. Completely avoiding the thrust of the article you divert. Debating with you is like getting a bye in the competition.


Trivial objections (also referred to as hair-splitting, nothing but objections, barrage of objections and banal objections) is an informal logical fallacy where irrelevant and sometimes frivolous objections are made to divert the attention away from the topic that is being discussed. This type of argument is called a "quibble" or "quillet". Trivial objections are a special case of red herring.


Report: 59 Million Americans Lack Health Care

More than 59 million Americans had no health insurance for at least part of 2010.

[jognlope]

So what's wrong with the Quran? I don't know I haven't read it, have you?

[Tom]

Anyone can see the terms Health Care and Health Insurance are used synonymously in the article. Completely avoiding the thrust of the article you divert. Debating with you is like getting a bye in the competition.

Do you use the terms hot and cold interchangeably?
The article is wrong - there is a big diff between the two.
You didn't get a bye, you got eliminated. The tribe has spoken.

[NJ Stinks]

Italy, Portugal, Hungary and Greece. All countries going severely broke. Who wants to be like them? Apparently a dope like Richard Cohen.

You're right, Valuist. We're better off dead. :jump:

[boxcar]

Anyone can see the terms Health Care and Health Insurance are used synonymously in the article. Completely avoiding the thrust of the article you divert. Debating with you is like getting a bye in the competition.


Trivial objections (also referred to as hair-splitting, nothing but objections, barrage of objections and banal objections) is an informal logical fallacy where irrelevant and sometimes frivolous objections are made to divert the attention away from the topic that is being discussed. This type of argument is called a "quibble" or "quillet". Trivial objections are a special case of red herring.


Report: 59 Million Americans Lack Health Care

More than 59 million Americans had no health insurance for at least part of 2010.

My, my, my....aren't you full of yourself today? :rolleyes: Health Care and Health Care Insurance are two very different things. I just had someone in my church who does not have the latter receive actual treatment under the former. Trivial and banal distinctions indeed... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[redshift1]

The discussion is not about the definition of health care/health insurance its about the following statement:

BOEHNER:" First and foremost, this is about the greatest health care system in the world."

How can it be the greatest in the world with 1/5 without health insurance? or whatever so you want to label it.

(Reuters) - Nearly 59 million Americans went without health insurance coverage for at least part of 2010, many of them with conditions or diseases that needed treatment, federal health officials said on Tuesday.

No doubt the CDC was forced to release the statement at the behest of our foreign born Islam loving socialist leader who is in fact the lackey of some vast monolithic entity antithetical to America and lassie-faire capitalistism.

[newtothegame]

So what's wrong with the Quran? I don't know I haven't read it, have you?

If this question was posed to me......, I am not sure if anything at all is wrong with the Quran. What I will say is in the CONTEXT of all of the above, muslim teaching...radical muslims....rev wright...prayers songs....leftist extremist....

But, I can understand why libs like yourself have no problem with all of that IN CONTEXT.

[bigmack]

The discussion is not about the definition of health care/health insurance its about the following statement:
[B]BOEHNER:" First and foremost, this is about the greatest health care system in the world." [/B
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/hc.png
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704130904574644230678102274.html

Show me any country that comes up #1 on all criteria.

Same old junk argument. Parse what the guy says and drill it to the ground.
"Yeah but, but, but how can he say we're #1 if...." :sleeping:

[JustRalph]

CBS news. The best News Division in all of America, at Faking Documents.

[boxcar]

The discussion is not about the definition of health care/health insurance its about the following statement:

BOEHNER:" First and foremost, this is about the greatest health care system in the world."

How can it be the greatest in the world with 1/5 without health insurance? or whatever so you want to label it.

You are so dull of understanding, it's mind-boggling. The heath care system is the greatest in spite of the insurance situation. Insurance coverage and the health care system are two entirely different things. The automobile industry can make the world's best products, and yet the insurance industry that insures motorists who drive those cars can leave much to be desired.

However, ObaminationCare is sure to substantially downgrade the quality of health care with all its many complex, incomprehensible rules, rationing policies, "review committees" (euphemism for death squads), etc, etc.

Boxcar

[hcap]

Show me any country that comes up #1 on all criteria.

Same old junk argument. Parse what the guy says and drill it to the ground.
"Yeah but, but, but how can he say we're #1 if...." :sleeping:
Ok.....
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=996077#post996077

Health Systems Compared Accurately
http://theincidentaleconomist.com/w...%93-conclusion/

Detailed statistics. Yes we are among the world leaders in medical technology, but that is about it.

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Executive-Series-Post-300x245.jpg

If you haven’t read the introduction, go back and read it now.

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/w...m-introduction/

That introductory post also included links to all the posts in this series on how we can rate the quality of the US health care system. Each the pieces discussed another way to look at quality, and how the US compares to comparable countries in that domain.

I expected more arguments for this series than for the cost one did. After all, few dispute that we’re spending a lot of money on health care, but plenty of people think we’re loaded with quality. Quality is important, though, perhaps more important than cost. We can agree to spend a lot of money on health care, but you would hope that we’re getting our money’s worth.

And there’s the rub. If we’re going to spend way more than any other country on health care, then we should absolutely, positively have the best health care system in the world. We don’t. I don’t know how you could have read this series and still believe that we do:

[bigmack]

Ok.....
Like I said, the article is for maroons written by a total buffoon.

Look, JelloBrain, you haven't the slightest interest in changing things for the better. You simply want to point to things that are unfavorable. I met plenty of 'you' in basement parties smoking copious amounts of Ganja talking about how f'ked up this country is in comparison to others. You're a dime a dz.

A review of your posts will exhibit a bitter fellow who merely has interest in finding arcane articles that make man an enemy of the environment and the US as an underwhelming place.

Get happy. Move to where you have less to whine about the country you live and have some level of pride. You're clearly unhappy here and do nothing towards making it better.

[hcap]

Hey pretentious boy. Did you read the study I posted or are you so caught up in bloviating you can't see anything beyond your own overstuffed ego?

[bigmack]

Hey pretentious boy. Did you read the study I posted or are you so caught up in bloviating you can't see anything beyond your own overstuffed ego?
I read that a long time ago. The issue is whether or not Boehner should have his feet held to the fire by goons because we're not #1 in all categories.


:ThmbDown:

[hcap]

Read the study.

It's worse than not first in all

[bigmack]

Read the study.

It's worse than not first in all
Something like 75% of the country agrees HC should be revamped. We're all on that same page. Not on the page that was puked on by B.O., Reid, Pelosi & Co.

Change is in the air. It smells now but that'll pass.

[redshift1]

ADVICE AND CONSENT (1962) Made almost 50 years ago. Same political bickering played out daily in Washington and rehashed on the forums.