Is BHO becoming insignificant ?

[cj's dad]

His approval is in the tank
He has proven beyond a doubt that he is in over his head
He is spending like a drunken sailor
His wife hates being first lady
The pundits are starting to wake up; well, some are
In other words "the bloom is off the rose"

[GameTheory]

He could probably come back and win another term (unless there is a successful terror attack or some such), but only if he seriously changes his playbook ala Bill Clinton. Not sure he is capable, though.

[cj's dad]

He could probably come back and win another term (unless there is a successful terror attack or some such), but only if he seriously changes his playbook ala Bill Clinton. Not sure he is capable, though.

I don't know Bill Clinton, but he is no Bill Clinton.

Clinton was dragged scraeming and kicking to the middle but he was smart enough to adapt to some of the rights wishes, primarily Welfare reform.

This JO is too damn arrogant to realize he is on the verge of being relegated to the level of one of the worst presidents ever.

[PhantomOnTour]

I wonder if he'll even run for re-election, or pull an LBJ..."I will not accept, nor will I seek...."

[JustRalph]

We shall see........... after what he has sewn...... what shall he reap ?

http://www.justralph.com/storage/wreckage.jpg

[cj's dad]

I wonder if he'll even run for re-election, or pull an LBJ..."I will not accept, nor will I seek...."

Too arrogant not to.

BTW - did you recover from your misery in La. ?

I wasn't trying to make light of your situation, only trying to get a chuckle out of you.

PS - this is why I always fly, even to NY which is less than a 4 hour drive, 7 to Toga. Rental cars can be replaced within an hour or so.

[jognlope]

Will one of you please say what you would have done instead of the stimulus, instead of TARP, most of which has been paid back, GM? Do you even know a major part of the stimulus was a middle class tax break, $400 for individuals, $800 for a couple, etc etc? You will not offer up what you would have done differently.

Chris Matthews is becoming jerkier by the minute though.

[johnhannibalsmith]

... or pull an LBJ..."I will not accept, nor will I seek...."

I'm thinking it will sound more like Ghostzapper... "...nothing left to prove... victories aren't measured in quantity, but in quality... repeated performance ratings in the negatives on the sheets!..."

[wisconsin]

[QUOTE=jognlope]Will one of you please say what you would have done instead of the stimulus, instead of TARP, most of which has been paid back, GM? Do you even know a major part of the stimulus was a middle class tax break, $400 for individuals, $800 for a couple, etc etc? You will not offer up what you would have done differently.

Chris Matthews is becoming jerkier by the minute though.[/QUO
TE]


Wow! $800. I would not have touched stimulus. Wisconsin Governer Doyle just yesterday signed off that $835 million worth of "stimulus" will be used to build the silliest and most unwanted train between Milwaukee and Madison. Is that your idea of stimulating the economy?

[ArlJim78]

look guys, Obama is finished. America has chosen not to follow him down the path to communism.

Do you realize the breadth of the tidal wave that just hit? Democrats took a humiliating defeat due to Obama. I will really like to see the complete accounting, but the full results aren't in yet so lets talk in round numbers.

- something like 65 US house seats picked up by Republicans. at least two of these were African Americans. a big breakthrough.

something like 10 governorships picked up by Republicans. Republicans now have the majority governorships in the country. a couple of these pickups were by Hispanics. another breakthrough. Jan Brewer so demonized by Obama and the media, cruises to an easy win.

Republicans also flipped something like 20 state legislatures from Dem to Repub.

Republicans now have a majority of all legislative seats in the country.

Obama couldn't even hold on two his own senate seat.

The hope and change express has been washed out to sea in this tsunami. thank you Barack, Harry and Nancy, you've been great.

The bloom is off the rose, we've seen that the emperor has no clothes.

The full extent of the folly of this president and 4 years of Democratic congress has not even fully been realized yet. the damages will continue to become apparent as we move forward.

There is nothing Obama can build on now to propel him to another term. he is damaged goods. nobody is going to fall for his gauzy rhetoric or speeches about hope and change next time because its now clear what he meant by all that. that dog won't hunt. it took much less than two years to see that he was in over his head and is only talent was to mock others and bully his ill-advised agenda through congress.

the 2012 election is going to be the second wave, meaning a Republican president and US senate.

[DJofSD]

Never underestimate your opponent.

[DJofSD]

I wonder if he'll even run for re-election, or pull an LBJ..."I will not accept, nor will I seek...."
I will never forget that day. It was a part of my political awakening and it happened on my birthday.

[JustRalph]

Will one of you please say what you would have done instead of the stimulus, instead of TARP, most of which has been paid back, GM? Do you even know a major part of the stimulus was a middle class tax break, $400 for individuals, $800 for a couple, etc etc? You will not offer up what you would have done differently.

Chris Matthews is becoming jerkier by the minute though.

Let the free market work. Let GM go out of business or more likely file bankruptcy and re-organized. If they had let the market work........we would be through the toughest part. Combine that with a tax cut and an extension of the Bush Tax cuts removing any uncertain aspect about taxes in 2011, the economy would have already taken off by now. It would be moving forward much more than it is now.

[Robert Goren]

You could have said the very same thing about Reagan after the 1982 mid term elections(except the first lady part) and he recovered to win re-election.

[JustRalph]

You could have said the very same thing about Reagan after the 1982 mid term elections(except the first lady part) and he recovered to win re-election.

and carry 49 states............ good point

[DJofSD]

You could have said the very same thing about Reagan after the 1982 mid term elections(except the first lady part) and he recovered to win re-election.
I knew Ronald Reagan. Obama is no Ronald Reagan.

[Tom]

The dems will be circling the wagons.
Hillary and Bill are going to the war room. :D

[Greyfox]

Never underestimate your opponent.

:ThmbUp: Spot on. He's like a hydra. Chop off one head and another grows back on.
The selection of who will oppose him in 2012 for the Presidency will have to be very carefully thought out. Otherwise.....


http://bdfund.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/hydra.gif.

[boxcar]

I'm betting Hillary will oppose him.

Boxcar

[GaryG]

I'm betting Hillary will oppose him.

BoxcarBHO may not even run. If Hillary does run you can bet she will villify him and distance herself from his ultra-left policies. Then, if she gets elected: I fooled you, I fooled you! How about a Clinton/Clinton ticket? :eek:

[Ocala Mike]

the 2012 election is going to be the second wave, meaning a Republican president and US senate.


I believe that ship has already sailed as the USS George W. Bush a few years back.

If it happens again in 2012, stay tuned for the Great Depression of 2013-2020.

Will make the 1930's seem like "the good old days."


Ocala Mike

[mostpost]

Wow! $800. I would not have touched stimulus. Wisconsin Governer Doyle just yesterday signed off that $835 million worth of "stimulus" will be used to build the silliest and most unwanted train between Milwaukee and Madison. Is that your idea of stimulating the economy?
Silly and unwanted in your mind. It is projected that 360,000+ persons a year would ride that train. That is one thousand people a day. You may not be aware of this but Madison is the capital of Wisconsin and Milwaukee is its largest and most important city. Not only that, but there is a fair sized university located in Madison. Many of its students live in the Milwaukee metropolitan area. They can't afford to fly.
God forbid that we should spend money to improve the country or make peoples lives better.

[mostpost]

I believe that ship has already sailed as the USS George W. Bush a few years back.

If it happens again in 2012, stay tuned for the Great Depression of 2013-2020.

Will make the 1930's seem like "the good old days."


Ocala Mike
That is a definite possibility. The Tea partiers on this board have been trying to blame the Bush Recession on the Democrats because they controlled Congress from 2007. I guarantee you that when the economy goes in the tank because the Republicans in Congress block needed stimulus, they will be screaming about the Obama recession.
That makes me mad, but what really makes me mad is that the stupid people in the Tea Party will be taken in by their lies. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[bigmack]

God forbid that we should spend money to improve the country or make peoples lives better.
How does it improve the country & how does it make a persons life better?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s254/hunkoburninlove/train.png

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703509004575592950988005216.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

[Tom]

That makes me mad, but what really makes me mad is that the stupid people in the Tea Party will be taken in by their lies.


yadda yadda yadda.....big talk form a LOSER!

Where were all you enlightened Obamabots this time around?
You guys let a small, insignificant bunch of racists like the TEA BAGGERS kick your boys' arses from sea to shinning sea? Where were all thiose millions of people who are now living so much better under the socialist regiem of Obama?????

mostie........:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:....can you spell FUBO?

[Tom]

I believe that ship has already sailed as the USS George W. Bush a few years back.

If it happens again in 2012, stay tuned for the Great Depression of 2013-2020.

Will make the 1930's seem like "the good old days."


Ocala Mike

Hopefully, we will be able to stop enough of the damage done by the financially-irresponsible dems in time to turn the tide on the inevitable conclusion to democratic government.

[mostpost]

I knew Ronald Reagan. Obama is no Ronald Reagan.
Thank you for pointing out another good thing about Barach Obama. :ThmbUp:

[Tom]

Who is Barach?

[wisconsin]

Silly and unwanted in your mind. It is projected that 360,000+ persons a year would ride that train. That is one thousand people a day. You may not be aware of this but Madison is the capital of Wisconsin and Milwaukee is its largest and most important city. Not only that, but there is a fair sized university located in Madison. Many of its students live in the Milwaukee metropolitan area. They can't afford to fly.
God forbid that we should spend money to improve the country or make peoples lives better.


Projected by whom? I can tell you a few things that you don't know, because you don't live here. The station in Milwaukee is not convenient to the downtown of Milwaukee. It is located in the 3rd ward, south of the heart of the city. Not only that, you would have to transfer while taking the bus, pay a cab, or pay to park. When you get to Madison, in a part yet to be determined, again, you will have to catch buses or a cab to get anywhere. Or, you can drive your car and get there in about 1 hour and 45 minutes, and spend less on gas than the $40 the train fare round trip. Wow, 1,000 people a day? Maybe the first weekend. :lol:

Take the money and add lanes on I-94 including express lanes, and have money left over.

[boxcar]

Take the money and add lanes on I-94 including express lanes, and have money left over.

That smacks too much of common sense! :D

Boxcar

[Tom]

I used to fly into Madison and drive to Janesville 6-8 times year.
Sometimes over to Sheboygan.

God, mostie, never killed me. It's called traveling. Millions do it everyday.
Here's three words you libs need to go look up.

Just do it.

What a crock!

[mostpost]

Projected by whom? I can tell you a few things that you don't know, because you don't live here. The station in Milwaukee is not convenient to the downtown of Milwaukee. It is located in the 3rd ward, south of the heart of the city. Not only that, you would have to transfer while taking the bus, pay a cab, or pay to park. When you get to Madison, in a part yet to be determined, again, you will have to catch buses or a cab to get anywhere. Or, you can drive your car and get there in about 1 hour and 45 minutes, and spend less on gas than the $40 the train fare round trip. Wow, 1,000 people a day? Maybe the first weekend. :lol:

Take the money and add lanes on I-94 including express lanes, and have money left over.
You make some valid points. One of the points made in the article was that the M to M train would connect with the Hiawatha which carries 750,000 pasengers a year between Chicago and Milwaukee. Can I assume that the Hiawatha terminates at the 3rd ward station?
My impression was that they were building the station. Why not include parking or comp the parking in local lots for those who are riding the train.
The way I see it, the patronage of the train would come from two groups
Businessmen doing business in the other city or traveling to Madison to petition the state legislature, and students.
The train would be much cheaer than flying.
I just checked out expedia.com. The cheapest round trip flight was $154. Prices went all the way up to $484.
A businessman will not want to drive and waste 3-4 hours round trip. On the train he can work.
How many UW students live in the Milwaukee area? 10,000? Many of them would take the train. Instead of being negative, why not think of ways it can work; ways it will work.

[Tom]

Instead of being negative, why not think of ways it can work; ways it will work.

Why not think in terms of who will benefit from it. Certainly not 99.99999% of the people paying for it.

Think of this way - if it was viable, it would exist today - someone would be making money of it and would have taken the risk. Post Office not losing enough money for you?

It is a stupid idea no matter how you slice it.

[witchdoctor]

Silly and unwanted in your mind. It is projected that 360,000+ persons a year would ride that train. That is one thousand people a day. You may not be aware of this but Madison is the capital of Wisconsin and Milwaukee is its largest and most important city. Not only that, but there is a fair sized university located in Madison. Many of its students live in the Milwaukee metropolitan area. They can't afford to fly.
God forbid that we should spend money to improve the country or make peoples lives better.


If we assume that the Chinese will loan us the $835 million without interest,the train runs without fuel, no maintance is required, and the employees agree to work for free, we could break even in 10 years if each of the 360,000 riders pay $231.95 for a ticket. Seems like a winner to me. :bang:

[JustRalph]

Why not think in terms of who will benefit from it. Certainly not 99.99999% of the people paying for it.

Think of this way - if it was viable, it would exist today - someone would be making money of it and would have taken the risk.

Two excellent points. The private sector never skips a chance to make money. If it would be worth it......somebody would have done it, or stepped in by now.

[DJofSD]

I guarantee you that when the economy goes in the tank because the Republicans in Congress block needed stimulus, they will be screaming about the Obama recession.
That makes me mad, but what really makes me mad is that the stupid people in the Tea Party will be taken in by their lies. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

How much more stimulus money has to be spent to get the economy moving?

As usual, you're upside down, ass-backwards. It's amazing we have any jobs at all. I mean, how in the hell could anything ever be done without your precious government making it happen?

[Steve 'StatMan']

Instead of being negative, why not think of ways it can work; ways it will work.

Remeber Sportsman's Park? They ignored all the important negative criticisms and did it anway, and incorrectly at that. Did too much damage to themselves with their customers and to their bottom line, out of business and, last I knew, just a huge levelled strip of land.

[mostpost]

I used to fly into Madison and drive to Janesville 6-8 times year.
Sometimes over to Sheboygan.

God, mostie, never killed me. It's called traveling. Millions do it everyday.
Here's three words you libs need to go look up.

Just do it.

What a crock!
That has nothing to do with this. Janesville is a small town. Well not that small--60,000----just looked it up. But the point is I'm not advocating a train to Janesville. Madison and Milwaukee are two of the three biggest cities in Wisconsin. And nothing good ever came out of Green Bay. :lol: :lol:
There is a difference between doing something 6-8 times a year and doing it 20-30. There is also a difference between doing it on the company dime and doing it as a college student on a limited budget.

The real reason you guys are opposed to this is one word. Government. If a private company was doing this you would think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[witchdoctor]

That is a definite possibility. The Tea partiers on this board have been trying to blame the Bush Recession on the Democrats because they controlled Congress from 2007. I guarantee you that when the economy goes in the tank because the Republicans in Congress block needed stimulus, they will be screaming about the Obama recession.
That makes me mad, but what really makes me mad is that the stupid people in the Tea Party will be taken in by their lies. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


From that bastion of the Tea Party (Boston)

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/11/03/debt_solution_lies_in_success_of_europe/

[wisconsin]

You make some valid points. One of the points made in the article was that the M to M train would connect with the Hiawatha which carries 750,000 pasengers a year between Chicago and Milwaukee. Can I assume that the Hiawatha terminates at the 3rd ward station?
My impression was that they were building the station. Why not include parking or comp the parking in local lots for those who are riding the train.
The way I see it, the patronage of the train would come from two groups
Businessmen doing business in the other city or traveling to Madison to petition the state legislature, and students.
The train would be much cheaer than flying.
I just checked out expedia.com. The cheapest round trip flight was $154. Prices went all the way up to $484.
A businessman will not want to drive and waste 3-4 hours round trip. On the train he can work.
How many UW students live in the Milwaukee area? 10,000? Many of them would take the train. Instead of being negative, why not think of ways it can work; ways it will work.

Good God, Mosty. NOBODY flies to Madison from Milwaukee. It's like flying from O'Hare to Rockford. UW Madison is a college of 25k students, 90% who live on or near campus. It has never been a commuter school. You can't use the Hiawatha as an example, because the bulk of passengers are heading south to Chicago and connect from there.

[newtothegame]

Good God, Mosty. NOBODY flies to Madison from Milwaukee. It's like flying from O'Hare to Rockford. UW Madison is a college of 25k students, 90% who live on or near campus. It has never been a commuter school. You can't use the Hiawatha as an example, because the bulk of passengers are heading south to Chicago and connect from there.

There you go sending facts his way wisconsin.....
Its not gonna bode well with the WH? It doesnt fit into their shovel ready projects lol.

[mostpost]

One thing does give me pause. A lot of pause. This has nothing to do with if I think this rail line is a good idea.
Why would it cost $835 million? As I understand it they would be using and upgrading an old freight line. So there would be no land to be purchased. Chances are the company that ran the freight line is no longer in existence.
Does it really cost $10 million a mile to modernize (not build) a rail line?

[newtothegame]

One thing does give me pause. A lot of pause. This has nothing to do with if I think this rail line is a good idea.
Why would it cost $835 million? As I understand it they would be using and upgrading an old freight line. So there would be no land to be purchased. Chances are the company that ran the freight line is no longer in existence.
Does it really cost $10 million a mile to modernize (not build) a rail line?

Union job....I am surprised your not yelling for more!!

[witchdoctor]

One thing does give me pause. A lot of pause. This has nothing to do with if I think this rail line is a good idea.
Why would it cost $835 million? As I understand it they would be using and upgrading an old freight line. So there would be no land to be purchased. Chances are the company that ran the freight line is no longer in existence.
Does it really cost $10 million a mile to modernize (not build) a rail line?

I guess so. How many union worker does it take to update a line? Add in the money for liability insurance, payoffs for politicians. It all adds up.

[mostpost]

Good God, Mosty. NOBODY flies to Madison from Milwaukee. It's like flying from O'Hare to Rockford. UW Madison is a college of 25k students, 90% who live on or near campus. It has never been a commuter school. You can't use the Hiawatha as an example, because the bulk of passengers are heading south to Chicago and connect from there.
Somebody suggested people could fly. Maybe it was in the article I read.
40,000 students at UW Madison including undergrad, grad and professional students. I think professional students is like doctors and lawyers, not kids who go to school for years and live off daddy's money. I wasn't suggesting students commute daily, just that they could use the train for weekend visits home.

[bigmack]

A businessman will not want to drive and waste 3-4 hours round trip. On the train he can work.
How many UW students live in the Milwaukee area? 10,000? Many of them would take the train. Instead of being negative, why not think of ways it can work; ways it will work.
Ever hear of a bus? Cheaper as well.

How fast do you think this 'high speed rail' will go?

- The Wisconsin DOT estimated the average speeds of the high-speed train by 2013 is 57 mph.

- News obtained a copy of the Wisconsin DOT federal grant application. The DOT estimated one-way tickets to Madison would range from $22 to $33. But, the conservative Cato Institute calculated the cost to taxpayers would be much higher with a $68 per ticket subsidy, bringing the real cost of a one-way high-speed ticket to nearly a $100.
http://www.wisn.com/r/25527333/detail.html

[mostpost]

Union job....I am surprised your not yelling for more!!
OK let's say it is a union job. It's a job. Someone will be working that otherwise may not have been working. Someone will be buying things they would not otherwise have bought. Someone else will be making those things. Perhaps more someone elses will have to be hired because demand exceeds supply.
Why can you not understand that the $835M is not being thrown down a hole. It is being used to create something which will be of use to a lot of people (360,000 a year).
Not only are jobs being created to build or modernize the line, but jobs will be created to operate it. Engineers, ticket agents, concessions people, janitors, track maintenance, conductors, cleaning crews.
Take off your conservative blinders.

[bigmack]

Take off your conservative blinders.
:lol: Again, you waddle through the darkness of a subject you know nothing of & quickly say "Hey neat, let's do it." And, chastise others for giving serious thought to yet another massively expensive throw of the dice.

Do you honestly think people are readily willing to accept the wildly expensive plans of bureaucrats & retired postal employees?

Not bloody likely.

[witchdoctor]

OK let's say it is a union job. It's a job. Someone will be working that otherwise may not have been working. Someone will be buying things they would not otherwise have bought. Someone else will be making those things. Perhaps more someone elses will have to be hired because demand exceeds supply.
Why can you not understand that the $835M is not being thrown down a hole. It is being used to create something which will be of use to a lot of people (360,000 a year).
Not only are jobs being created to build or modernize the line, but jobs will be created to operate it. Engineers, ticket agents, concessions people, janitors, track maintenance, conductors, cleaning crews.
Take off your conservative blinders.


Go back to math class. We can't keep spending our grandchildren's money. (We already spent our kids money.)

[newtothegame]

OK let's say it is a union job. It's a job. Someone will be working that otherwise may not have been working. Someone will be buying things they would not otherwise have bought. Someone else will be making those things. Perhaps more someone elses will have to be hired because demand exceeds supply.
Why can you not understand that the $835M is not being thrown down a hole. It is being used to create something which will be of use to a lot of people (360,000 a year).
Not only are jobs being created to build or modernize the line, but jobs will be created to operate it. Engineers, ticket agents, concessions people, janitors, track maintenance, conductors, cleaning crews.
Take off your conservative blinders.

All I need to know is even YOU, said " does it really cost 10 million per mile" then turn around and justify it!!! lmao....spoken like a true liberal!

Next, mack posted where it will be subsidized at almost double what the ticket payer will be paying. I believe he posted an article showing 68 dollars per ticket in subsidies. Now, lets see here...ohhh wait...that means tax payers paying that. Just like AMTRACK.
So, not only do we need to pony up the 835 million to renovate or build this project, we now need to pay for its usage too....:bang:

No Thanks!

[Ocala Mike]

Here's the latest from Wisconsin:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/106705698.html


Ocala Mike

[Greyfox]

Here's the latest from Wisconsin:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/106705698.html


Ocala Mike

From the above:

The state Department of Transportation has told contractors on the high-speed rail line between Madison and Milwaukee to stop work on the federally funded project "for a few days," Transportation Secretary Frank Busalacchi said Thursday.

"At the governor's request, I have asked contractors and consultants working on the high speed rail project to temporarily interrupt their work for a few days," Busalacchi said in a written statement, referring to outgoing Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle.

"In light of the election results, our agency will be taking a few days to assess the real-world consequences, including the immediate impacts to people and their livelihoods, if this project were to be stopped."

Mosty makes a valid point in that the project does create jobs.
If I've signed a contract with the government and my firm is told to stop working, I'd have to sue for breaking the contract. Also, I'd have to lay off employees. Halting this project may not be a wise idea. Wisconsin might pay through the nose and get nothing from it.

My question to Mosty though is:
Are the high speed trains being built in America??? Or Japan or Germany??

[JustRalph]

Here's the latest from Wisconsin:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/106705698.html


Ocala Mike

Good for the new Governor. They will be saddled with operating costs and upkeep for the next 40 years.

[Tom]

Perhaps more someone elses will have to be hired because demand exceeds supply.

If there was a demand for it, it would already be running.

Why can you not understand that the $835M is not being thrown down a hole. It is being used to create something which will be of use to a lot of people (360,000 a year).

then divy up the cost 360,000 ways and leave my taxes the hell out of it. It will give ME zero benefit.

Take off your conservative blinders.

Take off your rose colored glasses.

Instead of being negative, why not think of ways it can work; ways it will work.

Let those who use it pay for it. They get a benefit, and don't pay a fair price for it, while I pay an unfair price and get no benefit? I am starting to understand why my mail service so pathetic.

A businessman will not want to drive and waste 3-4 hours round trip.

He would not want to see his taxes go through the roof and kill his profitabliltiy, and thus force him to lay off people. You support extending the Bush tax cuts, then, I assume?

[newtothegame]

From the above:

The state Department of Transportation has told contractors on the high-speed rail line between Madison and Milwaukee to stop work on the federally funded project "for a few days," Transportation Secretary Frank Busalacchi said Thursday.

"At the governor's request, I have asked contractors and consultants working on the high speed rail project to temporarily interrupt their work for a few days," Busalacchi said in a written statement, referring to outgoing Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle.

"In light of the election results, our agency will be taking a few days to assess the real-world consequences, including the immediate impacts to people and their livelihoods, if this project were to be stopped."

Mosty makes a valid point in that the project does create jobs.
If I've signed a contract with the government and my firm is told to stop working, I'd have to sue for breaking the contract. Also, I'd have to lay off employees. Halting this project may not be a wise idea. Wisconsin might pay through the nose and get nothing from it.

My question to Mosty though is:
Are the high speed trains being built in America??? Or Japan or Germany??

Jobs.....??? It does make a difference if the jobs are TEMPORARY or PERMANENT. If thats the case, shouldnt we be applauding Obama for all the jobs that were CREATED in the census taking ???

These jobs have a KNOWN time table. Then its back to the dole for those workers unless NEW projects are somehow created from ...more stimulus...??? Not too mention , it has been shown that this rail line will require subsidies over and above the projects initial cost.
Not so sure we need to have an UNLIMITED (life of the line) amount of subsidies for a LIMITED (known time frame for jobs completion) amount of jobs.

[JustRalph]

Jobs.....??? It does make a difference if the jobs are TEMPORARY or PERMANENT.

Exactly right. Why the left doesn't understand this, I truly don't know. It is the fatal flaw in the Keynesian way of doing things. The Government constantly has to pick up the freight down the road somewhere............

[Steve 'StatMan']

Gee, the government could 'create' even more jobs by presenting a plan to build a giant statue of a golden ox. Not that the golden ox would be of any use, but jobs are jobs, huh.

[Ocala Mike]

I smell waffles cooking in Wisconsin.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/106790123.html


Ocala Mike

[wisconsin]

I smell waffles cooking in Wisconsin.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/106790123.html


Ocala Mike

It's obvious that Talgo will still build trains for other parts of the country. Why wouldn't Walker want those jobs to stay in Wisconsin?

[Ocala Mike]

Talgo says they will leave if the train does.

Of course, if you guys don't want the $, there's always a place where it would be appreciated:


http://transportationnation.org/2010/11/05/ny-gov-wants-hsr-money-other-new-govs-are-giving-up/


Ocala Mike

[Mike at A+]

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[DJofSD]

Ya but 3 rights results in a left.

[Ocala Mike]

Ya but 3 rights results in a left.


Good one! Not only is it an "inconvenient truth" that the cartoonist who drew that didn't think of, but your observation kind of leads one to the realization that it's pointless for Barry to correct his course.

Doubt that there'll be any meeting "in the center" between BO and his opponents; the space between them is really a chasm that can't be bridged.


Ocala Mike

[boxcar]

Good one! Not only is it an "inconvenient truth" that the cartoonist who drew that didn't think of, but your observation kind of leads one to the realization that it's pointless for Barry to correct his course.

Doubt that there'll be any meeting "in the center" between BO and his opponents; the space between them is really a chasm that can't be bridged.


Ocala Mike

Nor should it be bridged!

Boxcar