We Can Only Hope....

[boxcar]

They yo-yos at AP wrote a piece over this weekend essentially stating that ObaminationCare "could sound the death knell for employer-based coverage"! Wow. What shocking news! They're just now getting up to speed on what so many of us knew before this grand social engineering, wealth redistribution scheme became law. :rolleyes:

But more to the point, I would love it if virtually all the numbers crunchers at these large corporations would advise their CFOs and CEOsd to drop health coverage plans like a hot potato. Such a move would create utter chaos in D.C. As Hotair points out, ObaminationCare would be in Red Ink soooo deep that it would make Medicare look solvent -- not to mention the clamor of the public. :lol:

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/25/could-obamacare-sound-death-knell-for-employer-based-health-coverage/

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[PaceAdvantage]

And here I thought they told me that if I liked what I had, I could keep it...

[jballscalls]

oddly enough at our managers meeting yesterday we heard the good news that Premiums are going up!!

[MONEY]

My son works for J.C. Penny.

Every October J.C. Penny's hourly employees must choose to purchase, upgrade, downgrade or discontinue their health care plans.

The price of J.C Penny's health care plan was increased by 50%, the health care provider was changed & the benefits were reduced.

Not surprisingly my son and many of his co-workers at J.C. Penny chose not to have health care for 2011.

By many I mean that he does not know anyone at J.C. Penny that was able to afford health care for next year.

[boxcar]

My son works for J.C. Penny.

Every October J.C. Penny's hourly employees must choose to purchase, upgrade, downgrade or discontinue their health care plans.

The price of J.C Penny's health care plan was increased by 50%, the health care provider was changed & the benefits were reduced.

Not surprisingly my son and many of his co-workers at J.C. Penny chose not to have health care for 2011.

By many I mean that he does not know anyone at J.C. Penny that was able to afford health care for next year.

This was the ObaminationCare plan right from the git go. Some of us saw it coming. Others chose to assume the proverbial ostrich position. (In fact, they're still in it.) :rolleyes:

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[NJ Stinks]

oddly enough at our managers meeting yesterday we heard the good news that Premiums are going up!!

Of course premiums are going up. The numbskulls on the right in Congress made sure there is no public option.

Presto.

[boxcar]

Of course premiums are going up. The numbskulls on the right in Congress made sure there is no public option.

Presto.

When did the Right become the majority? President = Dem. House Controlled by Dems. Senate controlled by Dems. Wanna run that by me again? ALL ObaminationCare is a Dem(on)s Deal. (Why do you think the Dems running for office don't want to talk about it!? :bang: :bang: IT'S THEIR BABY! ) It was the Dems who made sure premiums would shoot through the roof.

Very many of us said from the git go that ObminationCare is simply the first step to reaching a single-payer plan through the "backdoor". Premiums skyrocketing have nothing to do with any public option. There was no public option last year either, but premiums didn't go up nearly so drastically.

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[NJ Stinks]

When did the Right become the majority? President = Dem. House Controlled by Dems. Senate controlled by Dems. Wanna run that by me again? ALL ObaminationCare is a Dem(on)s Deal. (Why do you think the Dems running for office don't want to talk about it!? :bang: :bang: IT'S THEIR BABY! ) It was the Dems who made sure premiums would shoot through the roof.

Boxcar

How many Republicans were for a Public Option?

Backdoor or frontdoor - we need a Public Option to control healthcare costs.

[newtothegame]

How many Republicans were for a Public Option?

Backdoor or frontdoor - we need a Public Option to control healthcare costs.

LMAO...NJ, your a funny guy.
Lets try this again since apparently you didnt catch it when box mentioned it....
WHO THE *&^$ cares how many repubs did anything???
IT WAS AND STILL IS (for another week) A COMPLETELY CONTROLLED DEM CONGRESS.
You can sit here all day long and play a blame game, but the problem is you only have Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and the rest of the minions to blame. Remember all the dems and especially BIDEN (and his BIG F&^%$@#) deal comment???

Nahhh you can run now, like most of the other dems, ...but one more week and you reap what ya sow!!!

[bigmack]

When you done gots a Demo Gov pennin' an OpEd over the weekend saying ObmamCare is laughable,
things start looking sketchy...

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/govtn.jpg
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304510704575562643804015252.html

[slewis]

How many Republicans were for a Public Option?

Backdoor or frontdoor - we need a Public Option to control healthcare costs.

I wouldn't waste much time here. The fool you're responding to only THINKS :lol: he understands how a free market works.

He preaches capitalism, calls everyone on the left Marxists or Socialists, and then posts pretending to understand fundemental economics, which is always good for a laugh or two.

He doesn't even realize the difference between Capitalism and the Corporate-controlled economy we live in today. If he did, he'd come back with a much better response.

Go and ask him to explain how Micorsoft can get away with having every single one of their vendors sell their products at the exact same price whether your in NY of CA.
Then maybe he'll realize the phony "free market" utopia he thinks he lives in, ain't really so.
Of course he can always revert back to his bible for more "guidance".:lol:

[bigmack]

I wouldn't waste much time here. The fool you're responding to only THINKS :lol: he understands how a free market works.
You've quickly become obsolete. Post & run.

A no doubt pussy move.

[slewis]

When you done gots a Demo Gov pennin' an OpEd over the weekend saying ObmamCare is laughable,
things start looking sketchy...

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/govtn.jpg
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304510704575562643804015252.html

I've heard this argument before.
So I ask, when a company does this, does the new "exchange" offer the same degree of coverage, or is this strictly a business decision?

It's rhetorical. Especially coming out of Tennessee, which was so against any health care reform.

The reality is Mack, that a continuance of insurance in it's previous form would have meant an end to employer-employee coverage within 10 years anyway.

How's about SOLUTIONS as opposed to ACCOUNTING practices to get around the problem.

How's about something like this for starters)

Demand the AMA allow 20% more doctors in Med school over the next 10 yrs.
Offer Gov't sponsored tuition scholarships to those Doctors who pledge to work 10 years in a special sponsored Medical capacity (clinics and hospitals) where costs are contolled and defined by the Govt. (NOT CARE, JUST COSTS).

This will (like a public option) drive industry costs down.
Instead of pissing $$$ away in Iraq and Afghanland, build hospitals IN THE USA!
The construction will create many many jobs and more hospitals will drive health costs down.

Let's get SOLUTIONS to this mess because remember, even if you repeal Obamacare, the old system would have been doomed within 10 yrs.

[slewis]

You've quickly become obsolete. Post & run.

A no doubt pussy move.


You can come to the track anytime and say that to my face.....

PA will bring you right over to me.

(but you wouldn't have the balls....so who's the pussy??):D

[PaceAdvantage]

What I'd like to know is...how does slewis have the time to know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING? :lol:

[JBmadera]

Of course premiums are going up. The numbskulls on the right in Congress made sure there is no public option.

Presto.


Same here - very large increase in premiums, and co-pays AND big increase in deductibles, with even LESS choice that last year. Even with the co paying part of my coverage I am looking at high deduc individual plans outside the co.

this whole topic brings to mind that frightful phase: "don't worry, we're from the government and we are here to help".

[boxcar]

How many Republicans were for a Public Option?

Backdoor or frontdoor - we need a Public Option to control healthcare costs.

The far better question would be: Why was the Majority in control against it?

Boxcar

[boxcar]

I've heard this argument before.
So I ask, when a company does this, does the new "exchange" offer the same degree of coverage, or is this strictly a business decision?

It's rhetorical. Especially coming out of Tennessee, which was so against any health care reform.

The reality is Mack, that a continuance of insurance in it's previous form would have meant an end to employer-employee coverage within 10 years anyway.

How's about SOLUTIONS as opposed to ACCOUNTING practices to get around the problem.

How's about something like this for starters)

Demand the AMA allow 20% more doctors in Med school over the next 10 yrs.
Offer Gov't sponsored tuition scholarships to those Doctors who pledge to work 10 years in a special sponsored Medical capacity (clinics and hospitals) where costs are contolled and defined by the Govt. (NOT CARE, JUST COSTS).

This will (like a public option) drive industry costs down.
Instead of pissing $$$ away in Iraq and Afghanland, build hospitals IN THE USA!
The construction will create many many jobs and more hospitals will drive health costs down.

Let's get SOLUTIONS to this mess because remember, even if you repeal Obamacare, the old system would have been doomed within 10 yrs.

Hey, Brainiac, explain to us how the the government can control "COSTS" without that affecting the quality of "CARE" provided.

I'll be waiting with bated breath for your reply.

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[boxcar]

You've quickly become obsolete. Post & run.

A no doubt pussy move.

SL is king of topic drift. He can't stay on point any more than a runaway train can stay on its rails.

Boxcar

[johnhannibalsmith]

Of course premiums are going up...

It's a damn shame you weren't around Washington to convey that tidbit to the elected officials that officially, repeatedly, and defiantly insisted otherwise.

What you are really implying here is the reality: the bill sucks and you got a political solution not a practical one.

[Tom]

Rest of the world to NJ.....

The dems didn't need a single republican vote to get everything they wanted.
All they lacked was the balls to do it. Repubs stopped nothing. That is a just a convenient little lie the left uses to justify a failure to deliver in spite of the super majority.

And how come no one who voted for the bill is using it as a campaign plus? :lol:

[boxcar]

Rest of the world to NJ.....

The dems didn't need a single republican vote to get everything they wanted.
All they lacked was the balls to do it. Repubs stopped nothing. That is a just a convenient little lie the left uses to justify a failure to deliver in spite of the super majority.

And how come no one who voted for the bill is using it as a campaign plus? :lol:

Exactly. Virtually all Dems are running FROM it! That's how proud of it they are. And it also speaks to their cowardice because they know more than a few are their constitutents are opposed to what happened with this bill, how it was passed, or even that it was passed against the majority will of the people, etc.

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