Entitlement Junkies on a Rampage

[boxcar]

What is happening right now in France will happen here soon if we don't change this nation's course. And all the havoc, these "peaceful" leftists are wreaking over there is over two measly years in a retirement system that already boasts the most lenient, generous and earliest retirement age in the world! But these facts matter not to a junkie -- just like heroin junkies cannot be reasoned with until they've been detoxed. And even then, it's not easy. Social, welfare and entitlement programs (unless very stringently controlled) can easy become an intoxicating and addictive devil's brew. This is what happens when socialist governments want to play the social engineering game. They don't understand what a dangerous game they are playing and what horrendous consequences a society can suffer.

French retirement protests take violent turn

PARIS – Masked youths clashed with police and set fires in cities across France on Tuesday as protests against a proposed hike in the retirement age took an increasingly radical turn. Hundreds of flights were canceled, long lines formed at gas stations and train service in many regions was cut in half.....The protesters are trying to prevent the French parliament from approving a bill that would raise the retirement age from 60 to 62 to help prevent the pension system from going bankrupt. Many workers feel the change would be a first step in eroding France's social benefits — which include long vacations, contracts that make it hard for employers to lay off workers and a state-subsidized health care system — in favor of "American-style capitalism."

What irony here. The French government wants to move in the direction that we've been gradually leaving the last several decades, while the government here wants to move closer to the direction of the failed policies the French want to leave! Unbelievable!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101019/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_france_retirement_strikes

Boxcar

[delayjf]

It will get interesting when the States start going belly up and start looking to the Fed to bail them out. In fact, California just passed a budget that included 5 billion in bail out money from the Fed - even though the money has never been approved or allocated. They are just assuming they will get the money.

[Tom]

French riots have foolproof safeguards built in.
As soon as violence breaks out, they all run away.

[Robert Goren]

Watch out. The NJ horsemen are closely following what is going in France and are taking notes.:rolleyes:

[Tom]

French rioters wear brown pants.

[boxcar]

French rioters wear brown pants.

And if we manage to turn things around in this country (huge IF), the rioters here will be wearing brown shirts.

Boxcar

[GameTheory]

They should just let the system go bankrupt, stop payments, and see what the people demand then.

[Tom]

Might be a good idea, GT.

Start with a 0 budget and then justify putting items INTO it instead of arguing what to take out of it.

[highnote]

Here is the introduction to this week's newsletter from John Mauldin:

There are those who say the US is doomed, that there is no way out from our problems with deficits, future entitlement promises, and a dysfunctional political system. And in my darker moments I worry that they are right.

I get the problems, probably more than most. But there is a way out. Hopefully, it does not entail collapse first, as some suggest. But it will require a lot of hard decisions. Some will be very hard.

For example, many point to the unfunded Medicare liabilities of some $70 trillion. I don’t worry about them so much, as they will never be paid, at least not under the current system. LONG before we get to that point, there will be a crisis that will force us to deal with the issues. Rule: if something can’t happen, then it won’t. We can’t pay the Medicare bill, so it won’t happen. Something else will happen in the meantime. It may not be good or pleasant, but something will come along to change the rules. More taxes? Fewer benefits? That is up in the air. But the system as it currently stands will not be allowed to prevail. Ask Greece how that is working out for them.

In today’s Outside the Box we look at a country where they had an even worse problem than we are faced with here in the US. They were on the ropes and their bond market was balking. Yet, their left-wing government made some very hard choices and turned things around. And now they are on top.

The country? Canada. Maybe we need to look north for a lesson. My friend David Hay, Chief Investment Officer of Evergreen Capital Management, was vacationing in Italy, where he reviewed a great new book on the Canadian turnaround of the mid-’90s. This week we get the short read of a remarkable story. May it happen in the US and in developed countries all over the world.

Your “I know I am such an optimist” analyst,

John Mauldin, Editor
Outside the Box

[BlueShoe]

We are being handed another crystal ball. First Greece and now France present evidence in living color on the consequences of socialism and entitlement mindsets. Amusing, the French are crying about staying on the job until 62, while here at home there is talk about raising the retirement age to 70. Except of course, for most of the public employees, who will still be able to play golf full time at 55 or so.

[Tom]

Communists, government employees, unions members.

Screw the rest of us.
At least we can honestly say Obama is NOT our president.

[Hoofhearted]

Guys,
Give over with the "leftist" and "socialist" accusations regarding the French protests.
These are just ordinary folk -- a lot like you and me -- who are sick to death of their government funding bail-outs to bankers by ever-increasing impositions and penalties on the working- and middle-classes. They've had enough of carrying the burden whilst the banksters get to keep their Lamborghini's, palatial homes and obscene bonus's.
Personally, I salute the French for demanding a fairer and more equitable solution to their economic woes -- one that doesn't load the dice against the less well-off sectors who had no part in causing the economic melt-down in the first place.

[BlueShoe]

These are just ordinary folk -- a lot like you and me --
Right, except that they work a 6 or 7 hour work day, get 6 weeks vaction a year plus several holidays. In addition, they get cradle to grave medical care, a generous pension at an early age, and their job security is ironclad, since it is almost impossible to terminate them. A lot like us? Damned if I can recall ever knowing any American with a job situation like that.

[boxcar]

Right, except that they work a 6 or 7 hour work day, get 6 weeks vaction a year plus several holidays. In addition, they get cradle to grave medical care, a generous pension at an early age, and their job security is ironclad, since it is almost impossible to terminate them. A lot like us? Damned if I can recall ever knowing any American with a job situation like that.

:D I couldn't have answered better than you, so why try!? But I will add: If a thoroughly socialist counry like France is also harboring "robber barons" like we have with our own politicians here, then just what is the ultimate cure for this unholy matrimony between state and the corporate sector? Communism? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

I just wish that someone would explain to the French population in general what it is to bathe daily and accept that "English" is the universal language.

Also, please Frenchy, understand that war maneuvers do not include putting your hands over your head and surrendering at the first inkling of danger !!

Yeah, I know there were French Freedom Fighters, but these frogs couldn't hold a candle to out guys

[BlueShoe]

French riots have foolproof safeguards built in.
As soon as violence breaks out, they all run away.
Yup, the French are petrified by the Muslims in their midst too, and when they act up and start cutting throats, the Froggies will just raise their eyebrows, shrug their shoulders, and then dive under the bed.

[JustRalph]

Right, except that they work a 6 or 7 hour work day, get 6 weeks vaction a year plus several holidays. In addition, they get cradle to grave medical care, a generous pension at an early age, and their job security is ironclad, since it is almost impossible to terminate them. A lot like us? Damned if I can recall ever knowing any American with a job situation like that.

I think they repealed the 35 hour work week a few years back . That's one of the reasons they are pissed about this move. They now have five hours less a week to sit in a cafe and bitch about the West. If they get their way they will preserve an extra 4000 hours of cafe sitting in their lifetime. That is a significant amount of time............... :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

I think they repealed the 35 hour work week a few years back . That's one of the reasons they are pissed about this move. They now have five hours less a week to sit in a cafe and bitch about the West. If they get their way they will preserve an extra 4000 hours of cafe sitting in their lifetime. That is a significant amount of time............... :rolleyes:

Hohoho....do we have Incrementalism working in reverse for change? :lol:

Boxcar

[ElKabong]

i work in a bldg full of Euros, mostly French. They look at this as a non event. Just as we did at the campus sit ins and such of the 60s/ 70s...Like a fart in the wind, something that is momentarily unpleasant but things will go back to normal. We'll see.

[ElKabong]

ralph and shoe,

Much of France gets most of the monh of August off. About a week off the week of Easter, then a few days for Xmas. Our (company's) supply chain is severely affected by this. Even now our sources are behind schedule from the August down time.

[boxcar]

i work in a bldg full of Euros, mostly French. They look at this as a non event. Just as we did at the campus sit ins and such of the 60s/ 70s...Like a fart in the wind, something that is momentarily unpleasant but things will go back to normal. We'll see.

That's interesting. From the series of photos I saw, it looked like the protesters wreaked quite a bit of havoc. It might be that the French on this side of the big pond wanted to downplay the events.

Boxcar

[BlueShoe]

Interesting and somewhat contrary situation about the French. During the entire existence of the nation we have only fought them once, in a brief little known period in World War II in North Africa, when we battled the Vichy French. Other than that, they have been our supposed long time allies. In spite of all this, many Americans have a very bad opinion of France, and often regard the French with contempt.

[Native Texan III]

Interesting and somewhat contrary situation about the French. During the entire existence of the nation we have only fought them once, in a brief little known period in World War II in North Africa, when we battled the Vichy French. Other than that, they have been our supposed long time allies. In spite of all this, many Americans have a very bad opinion of France, and often regard the French with contempt.

That "battle" was all over by 18:00 hours in Casablanca.
Perhaps people don't now realise the Vichy background to the great film Casablanca (The WhiteHouse").

"The film premiered at the Hollywood Theater in New York City on November 26, 1942, to coincide with the Allied invasion of North Africa and the capture of Casablanca. In the 1,500-seat theater, the film grossed $255,000 over ten weeks. It went into general release on January 23, 1943, to take advantage of the Casablanca conference (/wiki/Casablanca_conference), a high-level meeting between Churchill (/wiki/Winston_Churchill) and Roosevelt (/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt) in the city. It was a substantial but not spectacular box-office success, taking $3.7 million on its initial U.S. release, making it the seventh best-selling film of 1943. The Office of War Information (/wiki/United_States_Office_of_War_Information) prevented screening of the film to troops in North Africa, believing it would cause resentment among Vichy supporters in the region."

[sandpit]

That's interesting. From the series of photos I saw, it looked like the protesters wreaked quite a bit of havoc. It might be that the French on this side of the big pond wanted to downplay the events.

Boxcar

Not saying I disagree with you, but perhaps the media over here is playing up the events.

[boxcar]

Not saying I disagree with you, but perhaps the media over here is playing up the events.

I report; you decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vT3xuYzlDM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGHIfeVmASY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAekPfAuViA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUayGEWM77w

The MSNBC site said the riots had spread "across France" for six straight days.

Boxcar
P.S. And yes, it should go without saying: I'm fair and balanced. ;)

[Tom]

I report; you decide.



Boxcar
P.S. And yes, it should go without saying: I'm fair and balanced. ;)


Are we going to have to start calling you Foxcar? :lol:;)

[boxcar]

Are we going to have to start calling you Foxcar? :lol:;)

That's good, Tom. Very good. :ThmbUp: :)

Boxcar

[Native Texan III]

That's interesting. From the series of photos I saw, it looked like the protesters wreaked quite a bit of havoc. It might be that the French on this side of the big pond wanted to downplay the events.

Boxcar

The current dispute is more that the people have not been consulted about the changes. They are to be imposed by an unpopular Government acting as an elite. French history is that once the royalist elite were executed or banished, the people decide how to live their lives, not anyone acting as an elite. Riots and strikes along the current lines are common place to protect those rights and I would guess the French are proud of that feistiness.

The colonial independence revolution in USA, supported by the French, was more a civil war which replaced one elite with another elite and the US population have remained largely cowed and docile before and ever since.
The nearest in comparison Teapartyist "revolutionaries" seem to want to join the very same US elite through the ballot box and change things internally - some hope. US has not fully settled the aftermath of the 1861-65 Civil War, as yet.

[Richie]

Right, except that they work a 6 or 7 hour work day, get 6 weeks vaction a year plus several holidays. In addition, they get cradle to grave medical care, a generous pension at an early age, and their job security is ironclad, since it is almost impossible to terminate them. A lot like us? Damned if I can recall ever knowing any American with a job situation like that.

the teachers and municipal unions right here in CT. Believe me, I know

[boxcar]

The current dispute is more that the people have not been consulted about the changes. They are to be imposed by an unpopular Government acting as an elite.

Well then...you can sympathize with conservatives who feel precisely the same way over ObaminationCare, right. The elitist ruling class in D.C. rammed an unread bill down Americans' throats, which the majority of Americans did not want.

French history is that once the royalist elite were executed or banished, the people decide how to live their lives, not anyone acting as an elite. Riots and strikes along the current lines are common place to protect those rights and I would guess the French are proud of that feistiness.

Oh, I'm sure they are. anarchy, I suppose, is something of which reprobates would be proud.

The colonial independence revolution in USA, supported by the French, was more a civil war which replaced one elite with another elite and the US population have remained largely cowed and docile before and ever since. The nearest in comparison Teapartyist "revolutionaries" seem to want to join the very same US elite through the ballot box and change things internally - some hope. US has not fully settled the aftermath of the 1861-65 Civil War, as yet.

You're without a clue. The Teaparty wants to tar and feather the ruling class and drive them out on a rail. You have it backwards. The elite ruling class is what is and has been wrong with this country. The ruling class believes The People exist solely for their good pleasure. We the People exist to work for them. The ruling class doesn't two give two flips about governing according to the consent of The People's will. Hopefully, this will begin to change in November, providing the establishment RINOs, who remain in power, don't join ranks with the Dem[on]s to form a new socialist majority. The elitists will not relinquish their power without a fierce struggle. They believe they're entitled to it.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Those junkies won't give up their fixes easily.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_france_retirement_strikes

Boxcar

[hcap]

You're without a clue. The Teaparty wants to tar and feather the ruling class and drive them out on a rail. You have it backwards. The elite ruling class is what is and has been wrong with this country. The ruling class believes The People exist solely for their good pleasure. We the People exist to work for them. The ruling class doesn't two give two flips about governing according to the consent of The People's will. Hopefully, this will begin to change in November, providing the establishment RINOs, Boy, have you got a lot to learn. The tea party is a naive movement . There are some with a real populist anger. But mostly a front for THE ELITE. Worse the RHINO elite. Preying on fear of change and a black president Sorry to tell you.Then again you and the other PA complaining 24/7/365 blabbers won/t believe it anyway.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/19/AR2010101906085.html

A Tea Party of populist posers

By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, October 20, 2010

..But the angry have been deceived and exploited by posers who belong to the same class of "elites" and "insiders" that the Tea Party movement supposedly deplores. Americans who want to stick it to the man are instead sending money to the man.

...Consider the candidates on the ballot next month who are getting Tea Party support. In the Connecticut Senate race, there's Linda McMahon, who with her husband has a billion-dollar pro-wrestling empire. The challenger to Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold in Wisconsin, Ron Johnson, is a millionaire manufacturing executive. The former head of Gateway computers, Rick Snyder, is spending generously from his fortune to win the Michigan governor's race.

.....In New York, the Republican gubernatorial candidate is developer Carl Paladino, with a net worth put at $150 million. And Rick Scott, running for governor in Florida, has a net worth of $219 million from his career as a health-care executive. Then there's California, where the Republican Senate nominee is former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina and the gubernatorial candidate is former e-Bay boss Meg Whitman.

...Oh? Who will do this constraining of the elite's hegemony? Why, people such as the Tea Party's Senate candidate from Alaska, Joe Miller (Yale Law School); and from Kentucky, Rand Paul (Duke Medical School), and from Colorado, Ken Buck (Princeton University).

And who will be helping these anti-elite elites get into office? Well, there's FreedomWorks, a Tea Party outfit run by Dick Armey, the former Republican lawmaker whose last job was with a big lobbying firm. His deputy at FreedomWorks is Matt Kibbe, who worked for none other than the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

There's also the Tea Party Express, the creation of longtime Republican consultant Sal Russo. A colleague at Russo's consulting firm pitched the Tea Party Express idea as a way to boost the company's bottom line. According to an internal e-mail intercepted by the New York Times, it came from a "desire to give a boost to our PAC and position us as a growing force/leading force."

The guy who put together the Tea Party "Contract From America" previously worked on Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign. Another Tea Party group, Americans for Prosperity, has been lavishly funded by the billionaire Koch brothers.

A movement of the plutocrats, by the political professionals and for the powerful: Now that's something Tea Partyers should be mad about.

[boxcar]

Boy, have you got a lot to learn. The tea party is a naive movement . There are some with a real populist anger. But mostly a front for THE ELITE. Worse the RHINO elite. Preying on fear of change and a black president Sorry to tell you.Then again you and the other PA complaining 24/7/365 blabbers won/t believe it anyway.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/19/AR2010101906085.html

A Tea Party of populist posers

By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, October 20, 2010

..But the angry have been deceived and exploited by posers who belong to the same class of "elites" and "insiders" that the Tea Party movement supposedly deplores. Americans who want to stick it to the man are instead sending money to the man.

...Consider the candidates on the ballot next month who are getting Tea Party support. In the Connecticut Senate race, there's Linda McMahon, who with her husband has a billion-dollar pro-wrestling empire. The challenger to Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold in Wisconsin, Ron Johnson, is a millionaire manufacturing executive. The former head of Gateway computers, Rick Snyder, is spending generously from his fortune to win the Michigan governor's race.

.....In New York, the Republican gubernatorial candidate is developer Carl Paladino, with a net worth put at $150 million. And Rick Scott, running for governor in Florida, has a net worth of $219 million from his career as a health-care executive. Then there's California, where the Republican Senate nominee is former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina and the gubernatorial candidate is former e-Bay boss Meg Whitman.

...Oh? Who will do this constraining of the elite's hegemony? Why, people such as the Tea Party's Senate candidate from Alaska, Joe Miller (Yale Law School); and from Kentucky, Rand Paul (Duke Medical School), and from Colorado, Ken Buck (Princeton University).

And who will be helping these anti-elite elites get into office? Well, there's FreedomWorks, a Tea Party outfit run by Dick Armey, the former Republican lawmaker whose last job was with a big lobbying firm. His deputy at FreedomWorks is Matt Kibbe, who worked for none other than the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

There's also the Tea Party Express, the creation of longtime Republican consultant Sal Russo. A colleague at Russo's consulting firm pitched the Tea Party Express idea as a way to boost the company's bottom line. According to an internal e-mail intercepted by the New York Times, it came from a "desire to give a boost to our PAC and position us as a growing force/leading force."

The guy who put together the Tea Party "Contract From America" previously worked on Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign. Another Tea Party group, Americans for Prosperity, has been lavishly funded by the billionaire Koch brothers.

A movement of the plutocrats, by the political professionals and for the powerful: Now that's something Tea Partyers should be mad about.

You forgot to "contrast" these elites with those with the "D" after their names. Do you need me to do that for you? Wanna start with Reid and Pelosi? The list gets a lot longer after these two.

At least conservatives aren't hypocrites. Having wealthy people run for office is not inconsistent with our firm belief in the free-market enterprise system, i.e. Capitalism. We realize that the private sector is the only wealth-producing sector in society, and not the money-leeching liberal politicians in D.C.

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

Nobody controls or defines the teaparty. Dana Millbank continues to fire shot after shot that miss the mark completely and shows his own ignorance and bias. sure there are many who are supporting the movement, like Dick Armey and others. Big deal. it's hilarious to watch all the gyrations people go through to claim its this or that or racist, or a front group for so and so. the tea party is in a battle to win over the republican party from the rinos. nobody is being deceived by the eilites. maybe there are some elites along for the ride. but once they are exposed they get tarred and feathered like Karl Rove did. and yes, people with money are welcome. So what if Linda McMahon is wealthy. wealth is not a bad thing in the market of free ideas. only if you're in the archaic world of redistributionists and statists do you care if someone has acheived some wealth for themselves.

[hcap]

Yeah thr dems have so called elites as well. But the hypocrisy of the tea baggers is monumental and mostly scripted by guys like rino Armey, the Kochs; and the chamber of commerce. The dems are actually more grassroots than the rethugs. That's why Obama can't rally his troops as well as bush did. His grass roots very liberal base is more independent than lock step rethugs. Gives the rethugs a political advantage. The dems are actually more bottom up than the rethugs. The rethugs are more top down.

The tea party follows along with their puppet masters and is oblivious to living in puppetville

[boxcar]

Yeah thr dems have so called elites as well.

Still in denial eh, 'cap. "So called"? :rolleyes: The Dems' ranks are loaded with very wealthy CAPITALISTS!

But the hypocrisy of the tea baggers is monumental and mostly scripted by guys like rino Armey, the Kochs; and the chamber of commerce.

Btw, your own hypocritical INTOLERANCE toward opposing views is showing by a mile. So...Mr. 'cap, first remove the beam from your own eye. Apologize publicly for use of the above pejorative phrase and then point to the speck that you think is in the conservatives' eye.

Meanwhile...I hope you have a better day.

Boxcar

[hcap]

Tea baggers is a phrase coined by .....well....tea baggers
And there was this.

http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=Mjk1YmRjNzIxNmUwMTI0ZWYxZWU4OWU2MzFiOWJmNDE=

First, a little history. After Barack Obama was sworn in as president, with his big majorities in Congress, the Democrats launched quite a bit of federal spending: particularly with the “stimulus” package. Some Americans were determined to counter this. And, before you knew it, we had the “tea party” movement. What protesters were doing, of course, was invoking the spirit of the American Revolutionaries, and their Boston Tea Party. According to the website of the Tea Party Patriots, the movement is committed to three “core values”: fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and free markets.

The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.” So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3313864503_16bcc382fa.jpg?v=0]

Still in denial eh, 'cap. "So called"? The Dems' ranks are loaded with very wealthy CAPITALISTS!You are kidding? Are you claiming thr rethugs are NOT the party of the wealthy? Always have been. Always will be. And now are bankrolling the gulible baggers.

And guys like you see a populist moment only.
Wanna buy a bridge?

:lol: :bang: :lol: :D

[boxcar]

Tea baggers is a phrase coined by .....well....tea baggers
And there was this.

http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=Mjk1YmRjNzIxNmUwMTI0ZWYxZWU4OWU2MzFiOWJmNDE=

First, a little history. After Barack Obama was sworn in as president, with his big majorities in Congress, the Democrats launched quite a bit of federal spending: particularly with the “stimulus” package. Some Americans were determined to counter this. And, before you knew it, we had the “tea party” movement. What protesters were doing, of course, was invoking the spirit of the American Revolutionaries, and their Boston Tea Party. According to the website of the Tea Party Patriots, the movement is committed to three “core values”: fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and free markets.

The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.” So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it.

Context means everything. Plus the conservatives didn't use a term -- the employed a phrase -- two distinct words "tea bag". They obviously did this intentionally to draw the distinction. But again...even if the guy's opinion in NRO is true, when did two wrongs make a right, Mr. 'cap? (Oh, wait...I nearly forgot: You're a Moral Relativist who staunchly believes the ends justifies the means to boot. Chances are the criminally insane would, generally, have a better grasp on ethical questions than you do. :rolleyes: )

You are kidding? Are you claiming thr rethugs are NOT the party of the wealthy? Always have been. Always will be. And now are bankrolling the gulible baggers.

And guys like you see a populist moment only.
Wanna buy a bridge?

The better question is: Are you claiming the wealthy, lying, thieving, hypocritical, sanctimonious, know-it-all, elitist, limousine-lib Dems are the Party of the Poor and Downtrodden? :lol: :bang: :lol: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: If so, you are living proof that sheeple can indeed O.D. on the kool-aid.

Boxcar

[hcap]

Context means everything.?

Give me a break This sounds like the pejorative case was used in the context of "Liberal Dems"

“Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.” So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it..
You guys used it nastily before anyone else did

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640...c382fa.jpg?v=0]

[boxcar]

Context means everything.?

Give me a break This sounds like the pejorative case was used in the context of "Liberal Dems"

Yupper. And just what exactly were members of the Tea Party going to do to those "Liberal Dems"? You conveniently left out that part!

To make your objections heard in Washington, simply place a tea bag in an envelope along with a short and polite letter explaining your protest. Send it to your elected representatives in D.C.. You can find your representatives and their addresses by entering your zip code at the congress.gov website. You can also send a similar protest letter and tea bag to President Obama as well as the leaders and key committee chairs in the Senate and House. Ordinary first class mail letter postage will be sufficient. UPDATE: Some people have written in to say that there may be problems with a tea bag getting through security. You may want to just include the tag from the tea bag, an empty tea bag, or print out a picture of the tea bag. Feel free to use the flagged tea bag image on this website if you want.

As I said, 'cap, context is everything.

http://teabagparty.org/

Boxcar

[Tom]

hcap is crapping his pants the closer we get to the election.

[bigmack]

Yeah thr dems have so called elites as well. But the hypocrisy of the tea baggers is monumental and mostly scripted by guys like rino Armey, the Kochs; and the chamber of commerce.

The tea party follows along with their puppet masters and is oblivious to living in puppetville
I have yet meet someone who has declared themselves part of the Tea Party but when I do I will most definitely commend them on their ability to put your panties so in bind you'll be pickin' 'em out for months.

Initially you said they were all angry racists, now you've got Kochs, The CoC, and all the usuals.

What are riot; you're officially verklempt.

[ArlJim78]

One of the biggest myths around is the one the says democrats are for the poor people and republicans for the rich. there is no truth to it. the philosophy of the democrats is to keep people poor, to sign on as many dependents to the government roles as possible. people call that progress or sympathy. I call it enslavement and a moral hazard.

[Tom]

How do the lefties explain Soro's hit taken out on Fox and Glenn Beck?
While they make up stories about the Tea Party, their own side is the ones who are covered in shit. And they just post along here, little lemmings that they are.

[boxcar]

How do the lefties explain Soro's hit taken out on Fox and Glenn Beck?
While they make up stories about the Tea Party, their own side is the ones who are covered in shit. And they just post along here, little lemmings that they are.

One irrefutable fact we can take away from all these recent events: The Left is no friend of the 1st Amendment -- any part of it! They want no part of any speech in any form that opposes their positions, policies or agenda.

NPR's stupid actions with Juan Williams brings this scripture text to mind:

Mark 4:22
"For nothing is hidden, except to be revealed; nor has anything been secret, but that it should come to light.
NASB

The Left is always lying. Always deceiving and being deceived. They lie about who they really are politically (nothing but "moderates", of course). They lie about their true agenda. They lie about their motives. About their intentions. NPR, which is supposed to be a non-partisan, publicly funded radio station has lied all these years about what they're really all about. The pretend they're interested in reporting truth, but in fact have an agenda to suppress the very thing they purport to champion. But all these things eventually come to the light. The lies will eventually be exposed under the light. And sometimes the very liars will unwittingly shine the light upon themselves, as was the case with NPR's actions!

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

Along with name calling, the lefts best weapon.

You all fell for it. I gotta give H'cap credit. He did exactly what libs do when faced with facts which cannot be disputed.

Read post #32; he quotes somebody calling himself "Mr. Oblivious" a post which appears nowhere on this thread and begins discussion about teabaggers. The discussion immediately diverts from the original topic and the remaining threads are all about the Tea Party.

Well done Cap - your mentor would be proud.

[hcap]

Along with name calling, the lefts best weapon.

You all fell for it. I gotta give H'cap credit. He did exactly what libs do when faced with facts which cannot be disputed.

Read post #32; he quotes somebody calling himself "Mr. Oblivious" a post which appears nowhere on this thread and begins discussion about teabaggers. The discussion immediately diverts from the original topic and the remaining threads are all about the Tea Party.

Well done Cap - your mentor would be proud.

Originally Posted by Mr Oblivious.
The Internet Preacher himself... BOXCAR the Sanctimonious

You're without a clue. The Teaparty wants to tar and feather the ruling class and drive them out on a rail. You have it backwards. The elite ruling class is what is and has been wrong with this country. The ruling class believes The People exist solely for their good pleasure. We the People exist to work for them. The ruling class doesn't two give two flips about governing according to the consent of The People's will. Hopefully, this will begin to change in November, providing the establishment RINOs,
Post #30

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Mr Oblivious.
The Internet Preacher himself... BOXCAR the Sanctimonious


As it's written about idol worshipers:

Jer 10:8
But they are altogether stupid and foolish
In their discipline of delusion — their idol is wood!
NASB

Your idol is man, who is just as impotent as wood. MAN is your god who is going to deliver the entire world. You truly are delusional to believe politicians are this virtuous, righteous, benevolent, altruistic group of human beings who are so morally and intellectually superior to everyone else on the planet. See if your idols are powerful enough to deliver you on the last day of this age. Let me know how that works out for you.

Boxcar
P.S. On second thought, don't bother. I already know.

[hcap]

See post # 114 on the "Americans are What are Wrong with America" thread.

That's the one with you posing in a colorful tee shirt with papa maniac Glenn Beck

[boxcar]

See post # 114 on the "Americans are What are Wrong with America" thread.

That's the one with you posing in a colorful tee shirt with papa maniac Glenn Beck

You have me confused with someone else. Unlike you, I trust no man to better my lot in life or to mitigate my struggles that are common to all mankind. Your liberal politicians are truly your gods.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

French Senate passes pension overhaul

PARIS – Under pressure from the government, the French Senate voted Friday to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62, a victory for President Nicolas Sarkozy after days of street rage, acrimonious debate and strikes that dried up the supply of gasoline across the country.

The vote all but sealed passage of the highly unpopular measure, but it was unlikely to end the increasingly radicalized protests. The coming days promised more work stoppages and demonstrations by those who feel changing the retirement age threatens a French birthright.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Did I read "birthright"? :lol:

Meanwhile, the junkies are still throwing their juvenile temper tantrums across the nation:

Leftist critics called the move a denial of democracy by an increasingly confrontational president.

"No, you haven't finished with retirement. You haven't finished with the French," said Socialist Sen. Jean-Pierre Bel, alluding to an apparently unflagging determination by unions, now joined by students, to keep protests alive — even through the upcoming week of school holidays.

Students planned to block schools Tuesday, and unions scheduled strikes and protests for Thursday and again Nov. 6.

Sarkozy says overhauling the pension system is vital to ensuring benefits for future generations. Many European governments are making similar choices as populations live longer and government debts soar.

But French unions say the minimum retirement age of 60, in place since 1982, is a hard-earned right and maintain the working class will be unfairly punished. Many fear it is also a first step to dismantling an entire network of benefits, including long vacations and state-subsidized health care, that make France an enviable place to work and live.

At least the unions stopped short of calling the retirement age a "birthright". :rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_france_retirement_strikes

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

See post # 114 on the "Americans are What are Wrong with America" thread.

That's the one with you posing in a colorful tee shirt with papa maniac Glenn Beck

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