uncle mo

[Reezy]

Looked very impressive..thought he was in trouble at the top of the stretch but he had plenty left

[redshift1]

Runs 3rd fastest Champagne in history 134.51.

[Turkoman]

Runs 3rd fastest Champagne in history 134.51.

Looks like the real deal.

[classhandicapper]

I'm not 100% convinced he's a very high caliber horse yet.

He's clearly a "good" horse, but in his sprint debut he controlled the pace on heavily speed biased race track and today's edition of the Champagne was about as weak as it gets (granted Dutrow moved the 2nd horse up).

I haven't reviewed all the 2YOs around the country, but the Juvenile usually has a fast pace because so many sprinters attempt to stretch out. So it's likely he's going to face some "quality" pressure for the first time and it will be a much deeper and overall higher quality field next time.

Maybe he's the real deal, but I don't want him as a heavy favorite. No problem being proven wrong though. The sport needs some more stars.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm not 100% convinced he's a very high caliber horse yet.

He's clearly a "good" horse, but in his sprint debut he controlled the pace on heavily speed biased race track and today's edition of the Champagne was about as weak as it gets (granted Dutrow moved the 2nd horse up). .At least he ran fast. That's a plus, even when the competition is lacking.

[OTM Al]

Was it me (likely) or did his stride look odd coming home? Maybe I was just seeing things. It was a nice performance.

[PaceAdvantage]

Was it me (likely) or did his stride look odd coming home? Maybe I was just seeing things. It was a nice performance.For me, I chalk it up to watching too many Secretariat clips lately. All other horse's strides start to look "odd" by comparison....

[classhandicapper]

At least he ran fast. That's a plus, even when the competition is lacking.

I agree, but with front runners it seems to be a risky proposition.

A really fast front runner can sometimes set a reasonably fast pace while racing well within himself and maximize his own final time. When pressed faster by another high quality horse, some will prove their quality and others will tap their limited reserves and run slower.

With him, we will find out shortly.

Usually, I like to bet against these types because that's two races in row that have a little question mark about them. He will be heavily bet in the BC based on speed figures and margins of victory.

But if you bet against him you have to be willing to look like a total fool once in awhile because some horses like this will have plenty in reserve and prove to be killers while you rip up tickets. :blush:

[Bruddah]

Just my humble opinion, Uncle Mo doesn't have the correct breeding to be a Ky. Derby winner. ;)

[lamboguy]

ran a pressured half mile and finished fast, so far so good for that guy!

[rstone]

I was thoroughly impressed by his performance today. I do wonder if he's going to able to stretch out long enough to be a real triple crown threat next year, but he made a good step in that direction today.

[Irish Boy]

Was it me (likely) or did his stride look odd coming home? Maybe I was just seeing things. It was a nice performance.
It looked like he had trouble switching his leads, but I could be wrong.

[OTM Al]

It looked like he had trouble switching his leads, but I could be wrong.

That may have been it as he had this bouncing up and down look to me.

[Turkoman]

Just my humble opinion, Uncle Mo doesn't have the correct breeding to be a Ky. Derby winner. ;)

Maybe you're right about that, but he still ran a very impressive race today. The first quarter was run in 22 2/5, and he still ran away from the rest of the field, with a tremendous final time.

Turkoman

[GatetoWire]

Al: I think he goes with his head a little lower and he doesn't lift his front legs as high as some others.

Even though he looked impressive he may also have been feeling the effects of the fast paced which sometimes causes horses to be a little fumbley gated in the last 1/8.

[Bruddah]

Maybe you're right about that, but he still ran a very impressive race today. The first quarter was run in 22 2/5, and he still ran away from the rest of the field, with a tremendous final time.

Turkoman

Turkoman, at this point, it's all supposition on my part. However, my early opinion is based on sire/lineage stats for the Ky Derby. I usually don't form a definite opinion on a Derby prospect until their 3yo season and performance(s) in Derby preps.

You're correct, it was a very good performance for a 2yo. I am very suspect of precocious 2yo's because approx 80% don't improve or perform to that precociousness at 3. Especially going long.

I prefer to wait until the Derby preps and then take a look at their breeding. Just my method of picking my Derby Horse.

[Turkoman]

Turkoman, at this point, it's all supposition on my part. However, my early opinion is based on sire/lineage stats for the Ky Derby. I usually don't form a definite opinion on a Derby prospect until their 3yo season and performance(s) in Derby preps.

You're correct, it was a very good performance for a 2yo. I am very suspect of precocious 2yo's because approx 80% don't improve or perform to that precociousness at 3. Especially going long.

I prefer to wait until the Derby preps and then take a look at their breeding. Just my method of picking my Derby Horse.

I totally understand what you're trying to say. By the way, I didn't disagree with your comment. I was simply talking about today's performance. There have been lots of excellent two year olds, only to disappoint later on. I'll never forget a couple of them. Devil's Bag, in 1984, was one of them. He was 8 for 8 going into the Flamingo Stakes at Hialeah Park. It was my very first experience of a big race, and I was there. Well, the horse dueled with Time For A Change, the eventual winner, and weakened in the stretch and finished fourth. He didn't compete again. I also remember Capote, a promising son of Seattle Slew, who won the 1986 Breeders' Cup Juvenile. When he came back as a three year old, he didn't quite have it. So I definitely agree with you. From now, up until the Derby, a lot of things will happen.

Turkoman

[SharpCat]

Uncle Mo is the best 2yo I have seen this year. Just look at his 2 wins. In his maiden race he ran 6 furlongs in 109.31. That time was the fastest 6 furlong time or 6 furlong split that day. He also came home his last 1/8th 11-4/5th's. They had some big stakes races for older females and males that day. If I recall correctly the winners of those races were staggering home the last 1/8th. In the Champagne he ran the mile in 134.51. There was a pretty good group of older horses that ran last saturday in the Kelso. They ran the mile in 134.42. I think Uncle Mo's first 2 races have proved without question he is top class. I'm very interested to see how he progresses as the races get longer.

[Jasonm921]

Never know with these horses but all I know is that Zito couldn't be happy watching Mountain Town run back in a Grade 1,off getting claimed out of his barn last out by Dutrow.

[WinterTriangle]

I agree, but with front runners it seems to be a risky proposition.

I thought that, too, plus his competition in last didn't impress, but I studied him on the pedgiree sites, and would probably not have bet against him at 8F.

The material on him, to summarize briefly, perfect breeding for 1 mile, one of the horses in here who was a specialist at 1 mi/middle distance.
Pace said he is fast and he is...Uncle Mo's profile is speed over stamina. Stamina from damsire Arch, and that speed, of course, from sire Indian Charlie. IC's seem to have a reputation for being fragile though.:eek:

Steppin it Up is 1/2 to thunder brew and his mom is 1/2 to Jeb's Wild, so is probably more of a turfer. Settle for Medal had to race against boys from toscanova twice, so I can't judge him yet. There were also some slow developers in here, but I was seeing "turfers".

Bruddah is probably right about KYDerby contender though.:ThmbUp: Several in this race were sprinters/milers. A Derby horse, for Classic distance, might be better found in Stay Thirsty. Also Zito's Mineshaft colt.

I guess we'll see what happens to Uncle Mo as they stretch him out.

[Irish Boy]

You can't really ask for any more than what you've gotten from the horse thus far on the track. The heredity problems might be there, and of course 2yos fall off all the time, but hell, I'll enjoy watching him until the collapse happens. Maybe this time it won't.

[Robert Fischer]

he's not a real big guy
and he staggered home

but he's been very very fast

[Market Mover]

Just my humble opinion, Uncle Mo doesn't have the correct breeding to be a Ky. Derby winner. ;)


Pedigree proponents might argue Arch on the damside will provide the stamina, but he truth is he comes from a very humble female side .....and Indian Charlie's dont exactly get stronger as they go longer...

[Market Mover]

I thought that, too, plus his competition in last didn't impress, but I studied him on the pedgiree sites, and would probably not have bet against him at 8F.

The material on him, to summarize briefly, perfect breeding for 1 mile, one of the horses in here who was a specialist at 1 mi/middle distance.
Pace said he is fast and he is...Uncle Mo's profile is speed over stamina. Stamina from damsire Arch, and that speed, of course, from sire Indian Charlie. IC's seem to have a reputation for being fragile though.:eek:

Steppin it Up is 1/2 to thunder brew and his mom is 1/2 to Jeb's Wild, so is probably more of a turfer. Settle for Medal had to race against boys from toscanova twice, so I can't judge him yet. There were also some slow developers in here, but I was seeing "turfers".

Bruddah is probably right about KYDerby contender though.:ThmbUp: Several in this race were sprinters/milers. A Derby horse, for Classic distance, might be better found in Stay Thirsty. Also Zito's Mineshaft colt.

I guess we'll see what happens to Uncle Mo as they stretch him out.


Go to pedigreequery. Plenty of Arch offspring who could not go long....
But equaling Seattle Slew's Champagne time? Now THAT is worth mentioning...

[PaceAdvantage]

and he staggered homeHonestly, I'm just not getting some posts these days.

The horse runs his final quarter FASTER than the one prior and ol' Bobby Fischer posts that he staggered home... :lol:

Here are his splits, directly from the charts:

22:41
23:51
24:55
24:04

Yeah, he was stopping to a crawl there at the end... :bang:
That last quarter was total confirmation of distance limitations... :rolleyes:

In short, he ran a helluva race.

[Market Mover]

Honestly, I'm just not getting some posts these days.

The horse runs his final quarter FASTER than the one prior and ol' Bobby Fischer posts that he staggered home... :lol:

Here are his splits, directly from the charts:

22:41
23:51
24:55
24:04

Yeah, he was stopping to a crawl there at the end... :bang:
That last quarter was total confirmation of distance limitations... :rolleyes:

In short, he ran a helluva race.


Does anyone have Seattle Slew's fractional times for this race?

[redshift1]

Does anyone have Seattle Slew's fractional times for this race?

23.40

46.00

110.00

134.40

From a book I'm still searching for a DRF Chart.

[PaceAdvantage]

23.40

46.00

110.00

134.40

From a book I'm still searching for a DRF Chart.Splits for SS:
23:40
22:60
24:00
24:40

[redshift1]

UM SS

22:41 23.4
23:51 22.6
24:55 24.0
24:04 24.4



Some of the pace experts may be able to comment on the interior fractions as compared to the first and last quarters and It appears both were on or near the lead throughout.

[classhandicapper]

I thought that, too, plus his competition in last didn't impress, but I studied him on the pedgiree sites, and would probably not have bet against him at 8F.

I didn't bet against him yesterday. I thought the field was too woeful to take a shot against him there. Bias or not, he ran way better than those other horses in his debut.

I'm considering it in the Juvenile though, because IMHO, even though he is clearly a very good horse, his PPs are more impressive than the reality to date. So he is likely to be over bet. I just have to find a horse that can beat him. :lol:

[classhandicapper]

Honestly, I'm just not getting some posts these days.

The horse runs his final quarter FASTER than the one prior and ol' Bobby Fischer posts that he staggered home... :lol:

Here are his splits, directly from the charts:

22:41
23:51
24:55
24:04

Yeah, he was stopping to a crawl there at the end... :bang:
That last quarter was total confirmation of distance limitations... :rolleyes:

In short, he ran a helluva race.

I also thought the way he finished was the best part of the race.

The fractions were very similar to the filly race and the horse pressing him was a non entity, but he came home like a really good horse and not one that won't stretch out some more.

[Bubbles]

I was at Saratoga for his maiden-breaking romp. If he had grown wings and flown, I don't think too many onlookers would have been shocked. It's nice to see he maintained that form on a big stage; it's not often you see a horse run a mile in 1:34 2/5 at second asking, for sure.

[Robert Fischer]

Honestly, I'm just not getting some posts these days.

The horse runs his final quarter FASTER than the one prior and ol' Bobby Fischer posts that he staggered home... :lol:

referring to his balance of gait in relation to a smooth straight line, not his time. he ran very very fast.

poor choice of words on my part. :ThmbUp:

[joanied]

Fast colt...yes, but as mentioned, his pedigree is suspect at going longer...still, you never know...but man, he sure looked good! I think Dutrow's Boys at Toscanova may be better, but as of right now, my colt for the Derby next Spring is probably Stay Thirsty...will he run in the BC Juvy?
Even after the Juvy is run, I'll still wait out the winter before landing on one or two horses as my early Derby horses.

[redshift1]

94 beyer

[PaceAdvantage]

94 beyerThat's a bit of a letdown. First race low level claimers went six in under 1:10, so I guess the conclusion was that the track was playing quite fast. There was only one other dirt route though (The Frizette). I'll wait for the color commentary on this one...

[Irish Boy]

Man, I'm not a figuremaker, but 94 for 1:14 and a half in a one turn mile just seems short.

[WinterTriangle]

I just have to find a horse that can beat him. :lol:

Do we have a list yet? JPs Gusto. (Gets weaker the longer he goes, IMHO.) Sway Away almost outran him and may be able to get more distance? Jaycito?
I still like Riveting Reason. Boys at Toscanova?

Pace, do you have a 2010 BC topic area up yet? I forgot whether or not you put one up like the Triple Crown one...