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And I thought the repugs had it all sewed up.
The tea party loonies are driving away the remaining SANE repugs and indies.
And thanks to the PA tea bag knee jerk loyalists for helping.
http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/us-cong-generic-ballot?ref=fpblg
I bookmarked this page for 11-3-10.
You guys may not get the house. No longer a cinch.
Thanks to the bad press folks like Angle, O Donnell and Paladino.
Your tea is not yet brewed and kinda of bitter as people start to pay attention to politics as the election gets closer
bigmack
10-04-2010, 07:51 AM
Newsweek is the usual automatic throw-out having it 48/43 Dim.
Their polls reflect the value of their rag. It recently sold for $1.
fast4522
10-04-2010, 07:55 AM
You guys may not get the house. No longer a cinch.
Thanks to the bad press folks like Angle, O Donnell and Paladino.
Your tea is not yet brewed and kinda of bitter as people start to pay attention to politics as the election gets closer
No problem, No Jobs, No future, no need for you. When the money stops and it will, what will you say when BHO can not do anything.
Newsweek is the usual automatic throw-out having it 48/43 Dim.
Their polls reflect the value of their rag. It recently sold for $1.The graph I linked to is a composite of a number of polls. Includes your "MOTHERSHIP" Faux as well. Speaking about major automatic throw-outs.
Gallup has it tied after showing a substantial GOP lead a few weeks ago. Face it the tea baggers' chickens have come home to roost.
No problem, No Jobs, No future, no need for you. When the money stops and it will, what will you say when BHO can not do anything.
Duh...
Red is Bush. Blue is Obama
People are walking up to the situation.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/assets_c/2010/04/Unemployment%20Chart310-thumb-454x321-17963.jpg
bigmack
10-04-2010, 08:36 AM
Thanks to the bad press folks like Angle, O Donnell and Paladino.
Must be the good press coming from ObamaCare, Reid, Pelosi & the entire befuddled administration. You're as credible as your little scientific 'consensus' for GW. That went well for ya. :rolleyes:
Must be the good press coming from ObamaCare, Reid, Pelosi & the entire befuddled administration. You're as credible as your little scientific 'consensus' for GW. That went well for ya. :rolleyes:As I said Don't count your chickens. Your chickens are getting cooked by GW as well.
What is uit about the right that is so anti scientific and grand paranoid conspiratorial?
ArlJim78
10-04-2010, 09:03 AM
It will be great fun to revisit this thread in 29 days.
It will be great fun to revisit this thread in 29 days.Maybe,but the numbers are moving to even. The repugs are no longer a shoe in.
ArlJim78
10-04-2010, 09:18 AM
It will be a wipeout bigger than anything seen in the past.
Getting worried, hcap? :D
A little less worried.
No longer believe it's a definite for repugs. Tea baggers have seen to that.
prospector
10-04-2010, 10:10 AM
you'd be amazed at how many people want bullets over ballots..you'd better hope you're wrong and there is a tidal wave of tea in the capital..better than blood shed..this old soldier don't want to fight anymore...but, i will..
PaceAdvantage
10-04-2010, 10:11 AM
Just the fact that we are at this point is victory enough.
I remember being told by some established "left-leaner" here on PA that I should get ready for 100 years of Dem dominance after Obama won and DC was now under Dem control. I was told Rebubs, Conservatives and "right-leaners" were DEAD and DONE and that it would take at least 20 years for us to regroup.
The very THOUGHT of having to create a thread like this was probably the furthest thing from the "left-leaning" minds a mere 24 months ago or even 12 months ago....the left never saw this coming...all the liberal elite out there NEVER thought the Tea Party would have this kind of impact...never thought Palin would still be around, let alone carrying some serious juice when it came to elections...
So even if things don't go perfectly in November, it's a great start in the right direction nonetheless.
I will admit the repugs and all the moneyed astroturf tea partys' front groups play politics well. More guts than the dems. They have turned the Mccain/Palin losers' frustration and general public impatience into a bigger than usual midterm potential loss of the party in power.
Bui skilled PR does not necessarily reflect the mainstream publics' views.
You forget, hcap, the the Tea Party is NOT a party - it is an idea, that lives in the hearts of people out of work, losing their homes, concerned for the mortgaging of our children's futures, as you once were, when it Bush, but snot now, under Obama when it has blossomed.
How many people do you think actually believe a word Barry says theses days? Other than Mostie.
Actions speak louder than words, and Barry is a failure - everywhere.
God, I miss ljb.....:D
The Tea Party is probably more top down than bottom up.
McCain Palin losers Taken advantage by guys like Dick Army and the Koch brothers.
And Obama keeps his personal approval well above what you think. Good enough so that if he stays in his campaigning mode-worked quite well in 08- he can keep both houses. Maybe
johnhannibalsmith
10-04-2010, 11:37 AM
Somebody say Soros. Then somebody say Murdoch.
Why would anyone bring up diabolical financiers as a smug insult to another party? Just to get the redirect back your way?
mostpost
10-04-2010, 11:58 AM
It's about the trends. In a number of Senate races the trend is Democratic.
In Nevada Harry Reid was down 20+ points and is now even. In Missouri Roy Blount had a large lead. Again the race is almost even. In Delaware, the Republicans had a double digit lead until the nominated O'Donnell, Now they trail by double digits. Rand Paul holds a large, though slowly decreasing lead, but even if he should win, it only means the Repubs would hold a seat they already have.
As far as the House, the generic poll is meaningless. People in Orange County, California don't vote in Illinois third congressional district. (a safely democratic district) and people in Chicago's Bridgeview neighborhood. (Historic home of the Daleys) don't vote in Dana Rohrbacher's district.
In Connecticut, Linda McMahon was down 40 points, now she is in a statistical tie.
She debates Blumenthal tonight.
It will be the opening match on Monday Night Raw, in a steel cage.
No disqualifications.
skate
10-04-2010, 01:14 PM
Keyrist, Hiccups, here we thought you died:(
johnhannibalsmith
10-04-2010, 01:31 PM
It's about the trends. In a number of Senate races the trend is Democratic.
In Nevada Harry Reid was down 20+ points and is now even...
I credit this with the informative piece done by CNN called "The Right Has Gone Totally Insane And If You Align Yourselves With People Like Them, You Are No Better Than The Guy That Made The ACORN Tapes, And This Is How Big A Scumbag He Is"... or something like that...
Did anyone else catch any of this bizarre first person reporting on Breitbart and the ACORN goof? Strange, high-school level production with an unapologetically cavalier narrative. Right Off The Edge? Is that what they really called this mess?
prospector
10-04-2010, 02:42 PM
friday afternoon, at the local VFW..mc cain and gov brewer..
i'm going, even though i don't like mc cain..he's too much of a rino for me..but, i do respect his prisoner years..
From a friend. Learn about yourselves.
What is the Tea Party?
The "Tea Party" of 2009-2010 is a re-branding campaign, engineered by the Murdoch media and well-placed operators within the Republican political scene, by which a vocal segment of the traditional right-wing voting base has been re-labeled as a new, quasi-revolutionary movement and is presented daily as growing in strength and popularity, in the hope of achieving a self-fulfilling prophecy that restores a Republican majority at the polls in 2010 and 2012.
It is irrelevant that other groups prior to the election of Obama called themselves by this name, which after all harks back to 1773 and has been invoked thousands of times since (including, in 2006, as the title of a 9/11 truth conference in Boston). The "Tea Party" name was in use by groups affiliated with the Ron Paul 2008 campaign and the associated philosophy, but this minority within the Republican Party was later swept aside by the flood of Murdoch-Koch money and the constant all-media publicity for Palin-Beck-Breitbart, et al. The present organizational framework of the Tea Party is financed by the Murdochs and Kochs. Its leadership is literally employed and broadcast daily by FOXNEWS. Its initiatives are defined by professional astroturf provocateurs like Breitbart and Beck. And its rise has been assisted by relentless promotion from the non-FOX corporate media.
With regard to the last, whether the coverage is negative or positive is irrelevant when a minority, sometimes just a handful of protesters, is always presented as newsworthy, in fact portrayed as the new emergent US majority. Tea Party statements are always given “equal time” or better, no matter how nonsensical. To understand the significance of this, one need only contrast the relative attention paid to 70,000 Tea Party protesters in Washington in 2010, compared to several million antiwar protesters in many cities, including about 700,000 in New York, in 2003.
Tea Party Ideology
The rebranding campaign's keys lie in soft-pedaling the Christian fundamentalism with which Republicans have been identified in recent decades, and instead giving renewed emphasis to "fiscal conservatism." (This concept has only ever existed in name, since in practice it always means cutting taxes on the rich and running huge deficits to finance military and crony capitalism.) The old right-wing focus on abortion and hatred of cultural deviancy is also de-emphasized, as the idea is to project a youthful, energetic image, insofar as this is possible with Beck and Co. as spokespersons and a predominantly over-45 crowd as footsoldiers. The Bush era support for imperialist wars is also on the backburner. Libertarianism is avowed, although its precepts are trampled upon or at best ignored; the police state and torture are barely issues, except insofar as the Obama administration can be portrayed as something like a one-man dictatorship that began in 2008. Coded racism is at the forefront, however, with a constant emphasis on the supposedly mysterious, dark and foreign nature of the Democrat, or if you prefer the Kenyan Socialist Muslim, who currently happens to be playing the role of US president.
Otherwise (and here I repeat and revise myself) the ideology is confusionist, and requires no consistency or sense beyond constant attacks on the designated enemies: Obama and "Pelosi" as the personalized stand-in for the Democratic Congress; liberals, "socialists," “European” ideas, intellectual elites, "the liberal mainstream media," Muslims, Mexicans (in particular among all foreigners), and, in coded terms, blacks. The only intelligible purpose of the ideology is to stir up and channel anger at everything other than the real-existing economic system, its inequalities and real configurations of power and privilege. In fact, anger can also be directed at the economic system, long as this is woven into a larger fabric of paradoxes and distractions that render the whole meaningless (the standard Beck technique). This cocktail stirs up fears to mobilize the Tea Partiers, but also produces a rationalist reaction in which "reasonable" people see a cloud of insanity surround all thoughts of radical change, and react by clinging to the status quo. (In part all of this is happening because the status quo is falling apart. Empires whom the forces of history destroy, they first make mad.)
Tea Party History
The technique of portraying the old, white, largely racist right wing as breaking out into an exciting, new and inclusive movement has been used to revive the right at other times when it was in crisis in the past. We saw variations on it with the labeling of the "Reagan Revolution" and the arrival of "neo" conservatives, then again in the 1980s and 1990s with the right-wing and neoliberal adoption and redefinition of empowerment rhetoric, hijacking the concept of "reform"; then in 1994 with the original "Contract With America," and again in 2000 with the appearance of "compassionate conservatism."
The Tea Party variant of this technique originated with the McCain-Palin campaign. The door swung open with McCain’s choice of Palin to placate the right and with the attack on ACORN, an organization of the poor and black, as some kind of George Soros plot to rule the world. At the same time, McCain distanced himself from the large number of his supporters who emphasized the "Hussein" in Obama's full name and engaged in other rhetorical excesses that alienated the center. The strategy did no good for McCain, of course, but a year later these same characters, now babbling new anti-rational nonsense about "death panels," were repackaged by FOX and Co. into the bizarro assault on Obama's "socialist" bill to subsidize failing health insurance companies.
Thus the question of whether this is a "grassroots movement" does not make much sense. The activists of the Republican base, who were remobilized and repackaged as the "Tea Party" by some of the Republican leaders following their defeat of 2008, have always been with us, and they've never been very "grassroots" or much of a "movement," although they've always had a ground presence and are usually quite active and adept at the arts of dominating discourse and taking power. The Tea Party is new as it is the latest reaction to the historic demographic decline of the right wing and Christianist movements since their peak in the 1980s and early 1990s. Reaction becomes all the more dangerous and extreme in its decline. These groups have felt besieged since the 1960s upheavals, indeed since the advent of desegregation and the civil rights movements in the 1950s. Their sense of existential endangerment, laughable as it may seem, has always been their driving force, and primes them to allow in their names any and all crimes against their perceived enemies.
boxcar
10-04-2010, 03:36 PM
From a friend. Learn about yourselves.
Did you cut and paste that from the DU? :rolleyes:
Boxcar
Keyrist, Hiccups, here we thought you died:(
The rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated.
The dems' as well.
PaceAdvantage
10-04-2010, 04:42 PM
From a friend. Learn about yourselves.So ridiculously arrogant, which is why the other side will be going down in flames shortly.
prospector
10-04-2010, 05:26 PM
So ridiculously arrogant, which is why the other side will be going down in flames shortly.
he left out the part about all the rino's that went down in the primaries...so much for rep control..:D
bigmack
10-04-2010, 05:48 PM
From a friend. Learn about yourselves.
Tell 'your friend' he spends WAY too much time thinking about what's in the mind of others.
I must say though I do get a kick out of the weekly attempt to try and get a handle for some on TP's. All the little twists & turns from Olbermann & his racist, bigot schtick and now the new Mothership directive of Kochs & Murdoch.
I wonder why they spend so much time trying to figure out an entity that is supposedly so wrong and so 'out of touch'?
Again, tell 'your friend' to get a life.
bigmack wrote:
Tell 'your friend' he spends WAY too much time thinking about what's in the mind of others.
I must say though I do get a kick out of the weekly attempt to try and get a handle for some on TP's. All the little twists & turns from Olbermann & his racist, bigot schtick and now the new Mothership directive of Kochs & Murdoch.
I wonder why they spend so much time trying to figure out an entity that is supposedly so wrong and so 'out of touch'?
Again, tell 'your friend' to get a life.
What "so much time"? The analysis won't change next week.
You keep watching the evil Olbermann, bro, and be sure to report back. Keep letting the idiot box set your agenda for outrage.
And I love how you put 'your friend' in scare quotes. As if to suggest you don't believe my friend wrote it! Maybe you want to check my birth certificate?
bigmack
10-05-2010, 12:21 AM
As if to suggest you don't believe my friend wrote it! Maybe you want to check my birth certificate?
You're running right on par with every other garden variety sort that waltzes in off-top and feebly attempts to paint folk with a broad brush.
Who here is part of the TP that should learn about themselves? Also, how is it your friend is so concerned about boxing people into a category?
You forget, hcap, the the Tea Party is NOT a party - it is an idea, that lives in the hearts of people out of work, losing their homes, concerned for the mortgaging of our children's futures, as you once were, when it Bush, but snot now, under Obama when it has blossomed.
How many people do you think actually believe a word Barry says theses days? Other than Mostie.
Actions speak louder than words, and Barry is a failure - everywhere.
God, I miss ljb.....:D
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904
Scanning the thousands of hopped-up faces in the crowd, I am immediately struck by two things. One is that there isn't a single black person here. The other is the truly awesome quantity of medical hardware: Seemingly every third person in the place is sucking oxygen from a tank or propping their giant atrophied glutes on motorized wheelchair-scooters. As Palin launches into her Ronald Reagan impression — "Government's not the solution! Government's the problem!" — the person sitting next to me leans over and explains.
~~read the rest at the above link~~
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=506E9A42-0184-3BF7-6F2F8D12EC95F5F3
With Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee all making moves indicating they may run for president, their common employer is facing a question that hasn’t been asked before: How does a news organization cover White House hopefuls when so many are on the payroll?
~~read the rest at the above link~~
fast4522
10-05-2010, 07:24 AM
Sounds good
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=981685#post981685
So does Faux approve of your posts?
Don't wanna rock the lacky subservient boat.
fast4522
10-05-2010, 07:53 AM
So does Faux approve of your posts?
Don't wanna rock the lacky subservient boat.
First we rock The United States House of Representatives.
BlueShoe
10-05-2010, 11:12 AM
The rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated.
The dems' as well.
Believe you have it backwards Cappy. In November of 08 the lefties were gleefully clapping their hands and proclaiming conservatism dead and the GOP close to extinction and gasping for air. The political winds sure can change direction in a hurry cant they? While I would like to see a Republican landslide, I am a pragmatist, so will stick to a prediction made in early summer; the GOP regains control of the House, although not by as large a majority as hoped, and the Democrats retain control of the Senate by a very narrow margin.
ArlJim78
10-05-2010, 11:42 AM
I hate to be the one to pour cold tea on your dreams of Democratic momentum, but the fat lady, she's a warming up.
__________________________________________________ _
GOP holds wide lead among likely voters in latest Gallup poll (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/122461-gop-holds-wide-lead-among-likely-voters-in-latest-generic-ballot)
The figures show a much greater lead for Republicans among likely voters than registered voters, and suggest the party is poised to make large gains in the midterm elections.
Gallup's first generic ballot estimate of likely voters (http://www.gallup.com/poll/143363/GOP-Positioned-Among-Likely-Midterm-Voters.aspx) showed Republicans leading Democrats 53-40 percent in a high turnout scenario and 56-38 percent in a low turnout scenario.
Investorater
10-05-2010, 03:19 PM
I found a political cartoon amusing, it showed the GOP Pledge to America and the Democrat Pledge to America.
On the left was an elephant holding a sign which read - I promise lower taxes and smaller government - On the right was a donkey whose sign read - I promise I will pretty much say anything at this point to keep from getting kicked out of office :)
lsbets
11-02-2010, 06:36 AM
You guys may not get the house. No longer a cinch.
Thanks to the bad press folks like Angle, O Donnell and Paladino.
Your tea is not yet brewed and kinda of bitter as people start to pay attention to politics as the election gets closer
You still believe this Hcap?
BlueShoe
11-02-2010, 12:25 PM
So far, the usual lefties have not checked in yet. It is early yet, but could it be that they are laying low today? After the drubbing that the Marxists are going to get today, they just might be rather quiet for some time. Or is that too much to hope for? Likely so, they will be back with excuses and grand predictions for 2012.
Ocala Mike
11-02-2010, 01:50 PM
Here's the best line ever written about all the political bs in the air these days:
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."
-John Kenneth Galbraith
mostpost
11-02-2010, 04:30 PM
So far, the usual lefties have not checked in yet. It is early yet, but could it be that they are laying low today? After the drubbing that the Marxists are going to get today, they just might be rather quiet for some time. Or is that too much to hope for? Likely so, they will be back with excuses and grand predictions for 2012.
We've been voting early and often. :lol: :lol:
The town I live in was once strongly Republican. It now leans Democratic. Five of our six precincts vote in the same building. I don't think I have ever had to wait to vote. Today I waited twenty minutes. There were also lines at the other four precincts. A heavy turnout helps the Democrats, and the turnout is said to be heavier than expected.
boxcar
11-02-2010, 04:39 PM
We've been voting early and often. :lol: :lol:
The town I live in was once strongly Republican. It now leans Democratic. Five of our six precincts vote in the same building. I don't think I have ever had to wait to vote. Today I waited twenty minutes. There were also lines at the other four precincts. A heavy turnout helps the Democrats, and the turnout is said to be heavier than expected.
Not this year! Lots of very upset, angry, fearful voters out there who ain't happy with BO and his Dem(on)s. There will be a very big turnout and this will work to the Republicans' favor. Mark my words.
Boxcar
BlueShoe
11-02-2010, 06:06 PM
We've been voting early and often.
Early and often? So, how many times did you vote Mosty? Glad you got it out of the way early. That gives you the rest of the day to conjure up excuses as to why the Democrats took such a drubbing. Will be looking forward to seeing your comments tomorrow. Dont be shy and hide from us now.
fast4522
11-03-2010, 06:32 AM
We rocked the house but failed to retire Harry Reid or Barney Frank. Thats OK because the Tea Party will still be here in two years. Let the mean season begin with a new agenda and full blown investigations into old. They want Boxer fine lets box California and let it implode under its own lack of money. Is the witch Pelosi packing up her broom yet?
ElKabong
11-03-2010, 01:20 PM
And I thought the repugs had it all sewed up.
The tea party loonies are driving away the remaining SANE repugs and indies.
And thanks to the PA tea bag knee jerk loyalists for helping.
http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/us-cong-generic-ballot?ref=fpblg
hcap,
Lsbets asked you yesterday if you still felt this way....Obviously you don't.
In 2004 after W's 2nd win you hibernated for months. Crushed by defeat. Your boastful words and cartoons posted lying on the ground like a fresh dog turd.
And we laughed at you all the while.
History does repeat itself, eh?
cj's dad
11-03-2010, 01:58 PM
hcap,
Lsbets asked you yesterday if you still felt this way....Obviously you don't.
In 2004 after W's 2nd win you hibernated for months. Crushed by defeat. Your boastful words and cartoons posted lying on the ground like a fresh dog turd.
And we laughed at you all the while.
History does repeat itself, eh?
He could be pulling a Keith Olberman and staying in the bathtub :lol:
BlueShoe
11-03-2010, 08:27 PM
Will be looking forward to seeing your comments tomorrow. Dont be shy and hide from us now.
Anyone see Cappy or Mosty? Cappy has not posted in two days, Mosty since last night. I must be right, they are in hiding. The humiliation at seeing their dreams of a socialist society being dealt a severe blow must have been too much for those two boys.:D Perhaps they went into voluntary exile and joined Zilly, who may have suffered a breakdown of some sort last night.:)
Glad to see you're OK, hcap!
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