Death threats against Rinterval

[depalma113]

After receiving death threats against the horse earlier in the week, the owner of Rinterval was forced to scratch her after she flipped in the paddock. The result from some over zealous fans waiving their Zenyatta posters at the horse.

[tucker6]

After receiving death threats against the horse earlier in the week, the owner of Rinterval was forced to scratch her after she flipped in the paddock. The result from some over zealous fans waiving their Zenyatta posters at the horse.Is this for real?? I'm speechless, which is a good thing, because I'd get banned for foul langauge if I wrote what was really on my mind. People need to get a life. The world doesn't end with Zenyatta or any other thing for that matter. :faint:

[Jasonm921]

I just saw the same thing on another site. They said they heard it on the ESPN broadcast. If this is true.....truly disgusting. I hope, hope, hope this is not true (regarding the threats). Regarding spooking the horses with the signs....I understand the fans want to show support for their horse but please remember we are dealing with horses and are very nervous animals. We dont need freak accidents which potentially could be fatal for these animals.

[xfile]

This game you swim with sharks......

[BluegrassProf]

Zenyatta Guy* was totally there yesterday - HRTV did a [horrifying, embarrassing] close-up.

I betcha he was waiting there with a knife and fork ready to eat the damned horse...





*Note: I'm referring to him like they do to Tron Guy - he's becoming somewhat of an institution, I'm thinking... :faint:

[Grits]

This dude was so seriously over the top. He was nuts. The TVG guys showed him with his chant thing going.

. . . . . the Pillsbury Dough Boy yelling to the top of his lungs in a tank top and gold chains.:faint:

I am sorry, but get in a gym, buddy! Maybe you'll live long enough to chant for another one.

[joanied]

Oh, man...I hope that the fans were not the cause of Rinterval flipping...is there some proof of this...I never heard about 'death threats'...which would probably be some goofy MF'ers with no brains and no need to worry about them...but if the fans waving signs casued that filly to loose it, then shame on them...maybe track security should have been there with their eyes open to avoid something like this.
very disappointing...and I feel sad for Rinterval.

[Shelby]

Zenyatta Guy* was totally there yesterday - HRTV did a [horrifying, embarrassing] close-up.

I betcha he was waiting there with a knife and fork ready to eat the damned horse...





*Note: I'm referring to him like they do to Tron Guy - he's becoming somewhat of an institution, I'm thinking... :faint:

Is this the heavy-set "gentleman" with the huge flabby arms that was yelling "Zen-Ya-Tuh" at the top of his lungs? I saw that on the huge screen at the track and about died.

ETA: I wondered what the heck happened to Rinterval. Poor horse. I hope it wasn't fans that caused her to get upset. Is she ok?

[Stillriledup]

Is this really true?

[BluegrassProf]

Is this the heavy-set "gentleman" with the huge flabby arms that was yelling "Zen-Ya-Tuh" at the top of his lungs? I saw that on the huge screen at the track and about died.Yup, that'd be Zenyatta Guy. :D

Looks like he's become somewhat of a fixture - crazy horrifying, but like a train wreck, you're fascinated and just can't turn away...

[PaceAdvantage]

The original title of this thread was embarrassing. So I changed it...

And how does anyone know what exactly caused Rinterval to act up in the paddock? Talk about taking a little fact and running wild with it... :rolleyes:

[cj]

Is this the heavy-set "gentleman" with the huge flabby arms that was yelling "Zen-Ya-Tuh" at the top of his lungs? I saw that on the huge screen at the track and about died.

ETA: I wondered what the heck happened to Rinterval. Poor horse. I hope it wasn't fans that caused her to get upset. Is she ok?

Pretty sure that is carlonr.

[Pine Tree Lane]

Agreed. The paddock was 10-15 deep, many people had signs and it was extremely close and noisy there. Whether or not the signs made Rinterval flip is subject to speculation, because she walked the ring several times before she kicked and flipped when she was in the stall. She could have easily done the same thing there with all the TV people, wires and people with no clue how to act around horses.

[depalma113]

The original title of this thread was embarrassing. So I changed it...

And how does anyone know what exactly caused Rinterval to act up in the paddock? Talk about taking a little fact and running wild with it... :rolleyes:

The trainer was pretty matter of fact about what caused her to act up.

Eric Reed, Trainer of Rinterval.

"A couple of people held their Zenyatta signs as she (Rinterval) walked by and when the signs went up, she startled and raised her head, she went to hop up and lost her balance. We couldn't save her, she fell and hit her head pretty hard."

[classhandicapper]

It's often very loud and active in the paddock and in the stands before a big race. It's a shame when any horse gets spooked by it, but it happens.

Worse is if the horse actually received death threats!!

To me this is absolutely mind boggling on multiple levels.

The most obvious reason is that it's totally sick to threaten an innocent animal that's being used for our entertainment, but it's even sicker because you would think most racing rans would have a heightened love for animals.

Above that, Zennyata was somewhere between 5-10 lengths better than Rinterval last time when you take ground loss and pace into consideration.

[PaceAdvantage]

Above that, Zennyata was somewhere between 5-10 lengths better than Rinterval last time when you take ground loss and pace into consideration.Forgetting all the other problems I have with this statement, we can start with the fact that 5-10 lengths is a very large and unreal spread.

[rwwupl]

The trainer was pretty matter of fact about what caused her to act up.

Eric Reed, Trainer of Rinterval.

"A couple of people held their Zenyatta signs as she (Rinterval) walked by and when the signs went up, she startled and raised her head, she went to hop up and lost her balance. We couldn't save her, she fell and hit her head pretty hard."


http://www.drf.com/blogs/gold-cup-day-2010

7:10 pm: Rinterval's trainer, Eric Reed, just said in an ESPN interview that Hollywood Park security told him that there had been "death threats" against his filly this week for running against Zenyatta, and that it was fans holding up Zenyatta signs that just spooked her and caused her to rear up in the paddock. ESPN then reported that RInterval will run in the Spinster next Sunday.

[v j stauffer]

Forgetting all the other problems I have with this statement, we can start with the fact that 5-10 lengths is a very large and unreal spread.

Actually if you go by Thoro-graph numbers that's pretty close. Has anyone noticed that Zenyatta not only beats these horses. Many are never the same afterward. Tough Tiz's Sis, Anaaba's Creation, Dance to my Tune, St. Trinians. Perhaps Rinterval flipped on purpose to avoid having to face the Queen again. Switch's eyes were bugged out and she layed down her body only to lose. Wonder how she'll come back. Good I hope. Wonderful filly.

[Dahoss9698]

Actually if you go by Thoro-graph numbers that's pretty close. Has anyone noticed that Zenyatta not only beats these horses. Many are never the same afterward. Tough Tiz's Sis, Anaaba's Creation, Dance to my Tune, St. Trinians. Perhaps Rinterval flipped on purpose to avoid having to face the Queen again. Switch's eyes were bugged out and she layed down her body only to lose. Wonder how she'll come back. Good I hope. Wonderful filly.

You've outdone yourself this time. Didn't Tough Tiz's Sis go to Belmont and romp in the Ruffian after the Hirsch? Anaaba's Creation? She was the same mediocrity after the queen beat her as she was before. Dance To My Tune? Again, same mediocrity before as she was after.

I saved the best for last. You're seriously suggesting Rinterval flipped on purpose, to avoid running against Zenyatta? Wow. Impressive stuff.

[PaceAdvantage]

Actually if you go by Thoro-graph numbers that's pretty close.I'm just asking if we can narrow it down...5 lengths is a huge gap. It implies lots of error involved in the calculation.

[PaceAdvantage]

You're seriously suggesting Rinterval flipped on purpose, to avoid running against Zenyatta? Even I don't think he was serious there....

[Dahoss9698]

Even I don't think he was serious there....

Was the other stuff any less ridiculous?

[the little guy]

You've outdone yourself this time. Didn't Tough Tiz's Sis go to Belmont and romp in the Ruffian after the Hirsch? Anaaba's Creation? She was the same mediocrity after the queen beat her as she was before. Dance To My Tune? Again, same mediocrity before as she was after.

I saved the best for last. You're seriously suggesting Rinterval flipped on purpose, to avoid running against Zenyatta? Wow. Impressive stuff.


I give him credit for at least creatively making stuff up as it relates to Zenyatta's opponents. Most people just give you the standard " if you don't think Zenyatta is great then you know nothing about racing. " At least this deviated from the mean, in an incorrect fashion of course, but somewhat cleverly inventive nonetheless.

[Tom]

They enter Z and one horse attempts suicide and another retires after a blazing WO.

That, guys, is the mark of greatness!





:D

[the little guy]

They enter Z and one horse attempts suicide and another retires after a blazing WO.

That, guys, is the mark of greatness!





:D


Not to mention the many other incidents that go unreported.

[Show Me the Wire]

Tom, don't forget Quality Road. He refused to enter the gate and race agianst Zenyatta :eek:

[v j stauffer]

You've outdone yourself this time. Didn't Tough Tiz's Sis go to Belmont and romp in the Ruffian after the Hirsch? Anaaba's Creation? She was the same mediocrity after the queen beat her as she was before. Dance To My Tune? Again, same mediocrity before as she was after.

I saved the best for last. You're seriously suggesting Rinterval flipped on purpose, to avoid running against Zenyatta? Wow. Impressive stuff.

I was thinking about Sis's race at Hollywood. Not the Hirsch. I trust your memory about the Ruffian. If that was after. My bad.

I was just being silly and facetious about Rinterval.

It's called having fun. Last time I checked that's still allowed in horse racing.

[v j stauffer]

Tom, don't forget Quality Road. He refused to enter the gate and race agianst Zenyatta :eek:

EXACTLY:jump:

[OntheRail]

Tom, don't forget Quality Road. He refused to enter the gate and race agianst Zenyatta :eek:

EXACTLY:jump:

I bet they will not let a (A&M) helicopter hover near the starting gate at Churchill. ;)

So what are the odds that will happen this year.


A&M inserted for entertainment purposes only.

[Tom]

I bet they will not let a (A&M) helicopter hover near the starting gate at Churchill. ;)



I heard Moss bought one last week.

[RXB]

He's going to use it to drop "Go Zenyatta" signs on top of all of the other horses before the race.

[joanied]

I was thinking about Sis's race at Hollywood. Not the Hirsch. I trust your memory about the Ruffian. If that was after. My bad.

I was just being silly and facetious about Rinterval.

It's called having fun. Last time I checked that's still allowed in horse racing.

Ah, Vic...some folks just need to find something to pick apart...it's in their nature.
I thought your post was funny:)

[joanied]

Tom, don't forget Quality Road. He refused to enter the gate and race agianst Zenyatta :eek:

That is also :lol: ...like Vic's post...maybe they'll put full cup blinkers on QR this time so he can't see Zenyatta...we know they can't try a blindfold...since that didn't work out so well last year:eek:

[Dahoss9698]

Ah, Vic...some folks just need to find something to pick apart...it's in their nature.
I thought your post was funny:)

Pick apart? Look, I know facts aren't really your friend, but what he said was totally incorrect. Why is it so bad that we be factual when having discussions?

[classhandicapper]

Forgetting all the other problems I have with this statement, we can start with the fact that 5-10 lengths is a very large and unreal spread.

I don't have the exact ground loss figure, but I could probably get it from Len Firedman. It was certainly several lengths.

Over and above that, the race was among the slowest paced Grade 1 filly routes I can ever recall seeing. Zenyatta's middle move to get into contention was wicked and certainly another major disadvantage.

IMO the difference between Zenyatta and Rinterval was light years that day.

I'm sure if they raced again Zenyatta wouldn't beat her by 10 lengths because she'd typically be at some ground disadvantage and it seems she's always running into backed up paces, but I think it would rare to get both in such extremes and she'd handle her easily.

[highnote]

It's called having fun. Last time I checked that's still allowed in horse racing.

Horseplayers are so focused on handicapping that it seems like they forget to have a sense of humor.

Does anyone remember that after Cigar was retired it was found out that he was impotent? This was also at about the time Viagra hit the market.

So on April 1st, (April Fool's Day) I wrote a ficticious press release about how Cigar was going to start taking Viagra. The idea that a horse would be given Viagra to help him to cover a mare was absurd. I thought it would make a funny April Fool's prank.

I sent it to some racing friends and I think to the DRF Letter to the Editor.

I never got a single comment. Maybe they thought it was real? Maybe they thought it was stupid? I still laugh when I think about the non-reaction I got from horseplayers.

[cj]

Ah, Vic...some folks just need to find something to pick apart...it's in their nature.
I thought your post was funny:)

Of all people here, I'm surprised you would find it is fine to joke about a horse flipping over in the paddock.

[classhandicapper]

I don't have the exact ground loss figure, but I could probably get it from Len Firedman. It was certainly several lengths.

Over and above that, the race was among the slowest paced Grade 1 filly routes I can ever recall seeing. Zenyatta's middle move to get into contention was wicked and certainly another major disadvantage.

IMO the difference between Zenyatta and Rinterval was light years that day.

I'm sure if they raced again Zenyatta wouldn't beat her by 10 lengths because she'd typically be at some ground disadvantage and it seems she's always running into backed up paces, but I think it would rare to get both in such extremes and she'd handle her easily.

I was just informed by a friend that Jerry Brown has the ground loss difference at approximately 5 1/2 lengths. Jerry is very accurate with ground loss.

[cj]

I was just informed by a friend that Jerry Brown has the ground loss difference at approximately 5 1/2 lengths. Jerry is very accurate with ground loss.

I'm sure you realize losing ground isn't nearly as big a deal when the pace is slow, and on synthetics. Both in tandem makes it a very minor factor.

[the little guy]

I'm sure you realize losing ground isn't nearly as big a deal when the pace is slow, and on synthetics. Both in tandem makes it a very minor factor.


Didn't you know it's very important if it suits one's agenda?

[classhandicapper]

I'm sure you realize losing ground isn't nearly as big a deal when the pace is slow, and on synthetics. Both in tandem makes it a very minor factor.

Much of the ground lost was on the second turn when Zenyatta was making an extremely fast middle move into contention that few mares in the history of game could duplicate. I know you realize that too. ;)

So aside from actual ground lost adjustment on final time, adjust her fraction also and you'll understand why she didn't finish quite as well that day as in some other races. She had a nightmare trip.

[George Sands]

Much of the ground lost was on the second turn when Zenyatta was making an extremely fast middle move into contentio

Brad Free called the rail "golden" that day. Plainly, DMR rigged the racetrack against Zenyatta.

[highnote]

I'm sure you realize losing ground isn't nearly as big a deal when the pace is slow, and on synthetics. Both in tandem makes it a very minor factor.


"losing ground" and "ground loss" are you using those terms the same way?

I've always thought of "losing ground" as falling behind by "x" amount of lengths because a horse could not keep up with the pace.

I've always thought of "ground loss" as lengths lost on the turns due to racing wide.

[cj]

"losing ground" and "ground loss" are you using those terms the same way?

I've always thought of "losing ground" as falling behind by "x" amount of lengths because a horse could not keep up with the pace.

I've always thought of "ground loss" as lengths lost on the turns due to racing wide.

Well then ground loss. To me, if you run wide around a turn you are losing ground, but it doesn't matter really.

[cj]

Brad Free called the rail "golden" that day. Plainly, DMR rigged the racetrack against Zenyatta.

He should really watch the replays, or at least read the charts, again. That statement has ZERO basis in fact. Neither speed nor the rail were any particular advantage, let alone golden.

[classhandicapper]

"losing ground" and "ground loss" are you using those terms the same way?

I've always thought of "losing ground" as falling behind by "x" amount of lengths because a horse could not keep up with the pace.

I've always thought of "ground loss" as lengths lost on the turns due to racing wide.

I'll try to be clearer in the future.

[classhandicapper]

Brad Free called the rail "golden" that day. Plainly, DMR rigged the racetrack against Zenyatta.

A few people called that a good rail day.

I watched the races that day several times but didn't think it was golden in the way I'm used to in NY. Perhaps he was grading on a curve and it was better than it usually is. ;)

[highnote]

I'll try to be clearer in the future.


You and CJ were clear. I just didn't read your posts closely enough.

On the third time reading it I can see that CJ was responding to your comment about ground loss on the turn.

Don't mind me... my brain doesn't function well without plenty of rest -- which I didn't get last night. :sleeping:

Oops. Sorry... dozed off there for a minute. :D

[letswastemoney]

Brad Free is one of the most biased writers DRF has

I think out of everyone, Steven Crist might be the most neutral guy working for them.

[George Sands]

I think out of everyone, Steven Crist might be the most neutral guy working for them.

I'm hoping that TLG will tell us who Crist's three favorite horses of all time are.

[the little guy]

I'm hoping that TLG will tell us who Crist's three favorite horses of all time are.

I'm not really sure besides Easy Goer. Maybe Devil's Bag, but I think that's because he spent so much time following him.

[George Sands]

I'm not really sure besides Easy Goer. Maybe Devil's Bag, but I think that's because he spent so much time following him.

I'm remembering the answer as Easy Goer, Alydar, and Secretariat.

[the little guy]

I'm remembering the answer as Easy Goer, Alydar, and Secretariat.


I thought you meant his favorite horses not necessarily the three best.

[George Sands]

I thought you meant his favorite horses not necessarily the three best.

Those are his three favorites, as I remember it, but if he thinks they are the three best, it makes my meaningless point slightly less meaningless.

[carlonr]

Pretty sure that is carlonr.

You know that it is not me.

[cj]

You know that it is not me.

Actually, I don't. How could I?

[carlonr]

Actually, I don't. How could I?

I've addressed the issue previously on this board.

[BluegrassProf]

I've addressed the issue previously on this board. :D

AWESOME.

[cj]

:D

AWESOME.

I still think it is him.

[BluegrassProf]

I just find it equal parts amusing and unsurprising that he actually did, at some point, have to be like, "guys, that sweaty nutter with the sign is NOT me."

Best thing ever. :D

[Dahoss9698]

I just watched the video of the guy after the Lady's Secret the other day. It might have been funnier than the first performance. I think he had the same shirt on.

[OntheRail]

You know that it is not me.

I've addressed the issue previously on this board.

We thinks tho protest to much... :lol:

[Shelby]

I just watched the video of the guy after the Lady's Secret the other day. It might have been funnier than the first performance. I think he had the same shirt on.

From the looks of it, I don't think he ever takes it off.

[Grits]

From the looks of it, I don't think he ever takes it off.

Wearing his gold chain, too? Man, that was to die for.:faint:

[GaryG]

There are a lot of "tourists" watching when Zenyatta runs. Unfortunately, that fool will be seen as a typical racing fan by many. Hey ladies: How'd y'all like to be married to something like that?

[KingChas]

Rinterval flipped on purpose to avoid having to face the Queen again.

Not to downplay the actual situation Saturday,which was quite pathetic of some fans.

But adding a little humor.

Years down the road I can picture some filmaker interviewing former retired track announcer Vic Stauffer prior to making "Zenyatta the Movie".

Filmaker question;
"Vic you saw Zenyatta run what are your thoughts on her?"

Vic reply deadpanning;
"She was so good other horses tried to attempt suicide to avoid facing her".

That would be a classic. :lol:

[Grits]

There are a lot of "tourists" watching when Zenyatta runs. Unfortunately, that fool will be seen as a typical racing fan by many. Hey ladies: How'd y'all like to be married to something like that?

Big PASS, Gary. The gold chains--complete deal breaker for me. No way.:lol:

[Shelby]

Big PASS, Gary. The gold chains--complete deal breaker for me. No way.:lol:


Ugh :faint: