Vet Scratches

[Tom]

Real ones.
I've been spending time in the REd Board room and thorograph.com looking at yesterda's sheets to help improve my paterrn recognitin skills and I have seen a lot of orse that hve been recent vet scratches-some two or three times in a row.
This is good to know, but where canyou get this info? T-Graph puts it right in the graph so it stands out, and boy, do patterns go north-east after a VS. This would be good ino to have at the ready.

[BillW]

Tom,

The Bris instant entries carry the info at the bottom of the page.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/instant.cgi?type=int

You may find that this info is available only in certain jurisdictions (I'm not sure, just something I'd look for)

Bill

[Valuist]

The DRF has it in the front part of each track's section. They also include the reason why the horse was scratched; whether it was a vet scratch or trainer scratch.

[kenwoodallpromos]

I think Del Mar track still has a Horses in Trouble link for so. Ca.

[Trijack]

Vet scratches are very important to me. To me that is one of the best ways to elminate a horse from my top 4 picks for my tri's.
Kept records for about a year for Hol, Dmr, and Sax. The % of wins was very small, don't remember the number. In the money was around 80%. of course when one of these wins, it is usually for a big price. Also if one of these has had a race since the scratch, take a closer look at least for in the money.

[Trijack]

That in the money figure is wrong . Should be 20% in the money.

[kenwoodallpromos]

I bet show a lot. Are you saying any horse who has a vet scratch has 20% chance of showing next out? May depend on purse level and length between races and I probably eliminate them for some reason anyway, but I am Very interested in that 20% satatistic!!

[Trijack]

Kenwood

That is correct. Remember this was for Hol, DMR & Sax. Most of the time I just leave them out of my tri.

[Milleruszk]

Tom,

Looking at the Bris instant entries scratch sheet there are quite a few reasons listed for scratches. At Belmont there are Vet scratches, Trainer scratches, Steward scratches, A, M, & G scratches. What are A, M, & G scratches? Also, what would the reason be for Steward scratch? Too many entries or a horse that does not meet the race requirements? Thanks,

Tom

[BillW]

Originally posted by Milleruszk
Tom,

Looking at the Bris instant entries scratch sheet there are quite a few reasons listed for scratches. At Belmont there are Vet scratches, Trainer scratches, Steward scratches, A, M, & G scratches. What are A, M, & G scratches? Also, what would the reason be for Steward scratch? Too many entries or a horse that does not meet the race requirements? Thanks,

Tom

A = didn't make it in from the AE list
M = Main track only
G = ???

[hurrikane]

could be wrong but I believe the stewards scratch is an AE thing...
there may other reasons.

[GameTheory]

Steward scratch is generally a paperwork thing -- entry form not filled out or filed correctly...

[Milleruszk]

BillW

M can't be main track only. Horses scratched using M reason were entered in races on the dirt. List below is scratch list in BRIS for Belmont Park Sept 7th. M and G? Thanks for your help

Tom

1 Arpeggio 22Aug03 SAR2 CLM 20000 Trainer
1 Head Over Heels 6Aug03 SAR9 CLM 20000 Trainer
1 Head Over Heels 3Sep03 DEL6 CLM 20000 Stewards
1 Head Over Heels 10Aug03 DEL1 CLM 20000 Stewards
3 Joe'sdancing Angel 27Aug03 SAR4 MSW 41000 G
3 Rizzis Brass Band 24Aug03 SAR4 MSW 41000 A
4 Dr Boo Boo Better 11Aug03 SAR1 MSW 42000 Trainer
4 Jet Set Jazz 18Aug03 SAR1 ALW 44000 NW1 A
7 Cecilia's Girl 15Aug03 SAR1 CLM 35000 Off turf
8 Cat Story 1Sep03 SAR6 ALW 48000 NW1 A
8 Special Times 30Aug03 SAR9 ALW 48000 NW1 M
9 Sarie Marais 7Sep03 BEL9 STK 250000 Trainer
10 Catchy Word (GB) 7Sep03 BEL10 CLM 65000 Stewards

[BillW]

Originally posted by Milleruszk
BillW

M can't be main track only. Horses scratched using M reason were entered in races on the dirt. List below is scratch list in BRIS for Belmont Park Sept 7th. M and G? Thanks for your help

Tom

1 Arpeggio 22Aug03 SAR2 CLM 20000 Trainer
1 Head Over Heels 6Aug03 SAR9 CLM 20000 Trainer
1 Head Over Heels 3Sep03 DEL6 CLM 20000 Stewards
1 Head Over Heels 10Aug03 DEL1 CLM 20000 Stewards
3 Joe'sdancing Angel 27Aug03 SAR4 MSW 41000 G
3 Rizzis Brass Band 24Aug03 SAR4 MSW 41000 A
4 Dr Boo Boo Better 11Aug03 SAR1 MSW 42000 Trainer
4 Jet Set Jazz 18Aug03 SAR1 ALW 44000 NW1 A
7 Cecilia's Girl 15Aug03 SAR1 CLM 35000 Off turf
8 Cat Story 1Sep03 SAR6 ALW 48000 NW1 A
8 Special Times 30Aug03 SAR9 ALW 48000 NW1 M
9 Sarie Marais 7Sep03 BEL9 STK 250000 Trainer
10 Catchy Word (GB) 7Sep03 BEL10 CLM 65000 Stewards

Tom,

The only one on that list with a reason of "M" is the 30Aug03 SAR 9th. My database shows it run on the inner turf. I was there that day and no races were taken off the turf.

Bill

[BillW]

G is possibly Gate scratch.

[Tom]

I am copying the Bris scratch reasons and dumping it into a database so I can have a history of when and why horse were scrathced. I think I can integrate it with my main db and blend it in to printouts. At least I can look it up by horse, Thanks for the tip.