Would the industry benefit from.....

[misscashalot]

...turning itself around from being a day time endeavor to nite time.
Now competing against Sat and Sun football - baseball etc.
Also younger crowd do work day time which shuts them out.
My venue is NY...imagine yours turning itself to nite time racing.
Opinion?

[fast4522]

It is all about quality, several of todays cards sported 4 & 5 maiden races. Do you think that bullshit will sell better at night? What about the old folks you see in the grandstands now, do you think they like to drive to the racetrack at night. It is more the case the whole industry has its head stuck its own ass, and the tax man will always be there to hike and squeeze.

[Charlie D]

Through summer there is a lot of evening racing in UK, in fact, so much that it interferes with my enjoyment of US racing :(

[misscashalot]

It is all about quality, several of todays cards sported 4 & 5 maiden races. Do you think that bullshit will sell better at night? What about the old folks you see in the grandstands now, do you think they like to drive to the racetrack at night. It is more the case the whole industry has its head stuck its own ass, and the tax man will always be there to hike and squeeze.

Fast you sound like a bitter person who isn't making it betting. Someone who is looking for an excuse. However. A Bettor doesn't care about quality in the horse that runs around the track. He looks for profit...Or let me put it another way. How many of us would follow racing as closely as we now do if there was no betting allowed?

[misscashalot]

Through summer there is a lot of evening racing in UK, in fact, so much that it interferes with my enjoyment of US racing :(
Charlie imagine betting the US card at 2400 hrs your time?

[Charlie D]

Charlie imagine betting the US card at 2400 hrs your time?


I'm usually up, betting on or watching something. Currently watching Cowboys v Redskins. Friday, Saturday betting at Retama Park

Sleep afterwards :D

[Tom]

There is already night racing - how's it working out for ya?

[slewis]

...turning itself around from being a day time endeavor to nite time.
Now competing against Sat and Sun football - baseball etc.
Also younger crowd do work day time which shuts them out.
My venue is NY...imagine yours turning itself to nite time racing.
Opinion?


Regardless of how other posters are bashing your idea, in my opinion, it's the only way to revive the sport...SO YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

Who is the customer of the future in this sport?

I say the target must be the 30 something....his career just taking off...he's working hard, just started a family and getting rewarded with a good salary.

Watching CSI Miami on a wed or thursday night gets boring..and night racing from a NYRA track, where he can watch and bet from home could buiild new fans...not the same old folk you see (I see) everyday.

These "30 somethings" are also your future horse owners. I'm warning track management now. The writing's on the wall. We see many older owners whose kids are just not interested. Even some of the traditional "great racing families", the kids dont have a passion for this. So you'd better start attracting new blood in ALL directions into the sport. It takes money to bet. Young people who have money and EARN good money WORK during the day.

This is worth AT LEAST a 5 yr experiment.
If NYRA's executives are going to sit on their (asses) slot revenue and not attempt to build the sport and NOT COUNT ON THE WELFARE PAYMENTS from the casino, I hope the politicians force them out well before yr 25. of the franchise agreement.

[Actor]

Mountaineer in West Virginia races at night. Anyone know how well they are doing?

Of course Mountaineer is primarily a casino.

Are any other tracks running at night?

[lamboguy]

in theory night racing is going to attract the people that work during the day as owners. but horses still train in the morning, you are going to ask the people that work with the help to re-arrange their sleeping habits. but look at the tracks that run at night today, except for churchill downs and their friday night racing, the horses still run to empty stands. maybe running at night can be part of a good plan to revamp racing, but in my estimation it will only be a very small part. you have to level the playing field like the nfl. you need a good commision that creates a common standard for all the rules in racing and you need the state out of the business of policing the game. the way you get the state out is in your plan you can show them they will make more money with them out than if they were in. even though lots of their hack jobs will be gone. union tellers must become a thing of the past as well. and the tracks must work out a better way to contrive its revenue from the signals that they ship out to other race tracks and adw's. and after that find a way to attract the prettiest of girls to come to the track.

[Aerocraft67]

Mountaineer gets a sizable share of my handle primarily because it operates on weeknights. I have a day job, wife, baby and other pastimes that vie for my attention. Weekday racing isn't a viable option, and even the weekends are tight. But I do regularly find pockets of time to play a few races on weeknights, particularly early in the week, and Mountaineer reliably provides a venue when most other tracks are dark. I play remotely via ADW. I get out to my local track only a few times per year. I'm just out of my 30s, but would otherwise seem to fit a favorable new racing customer profile.

[Robert Goren]

There are a few tracks that run at night. They are pretty much bush league. The places that have tried Friday night racing have shown to 2 things. The attendance has gone up and the handle has gone down. During the fall the competition from football is brutal, but there is nothing going on the rest of the year that putting up a fight for customers. If racing can't out draw baseball, then they need to look at their product. Heaven forbid that would happen.

Things like union tellers are not what killing horse horse racing. It is knucklehead track managements and horse people who can't show enough contempt for the gamblers. Night racing is a prime example of that. It only took 10 posts for someone to bitch about horse people having to change their sleeping habits. No wonder this sport is so much trouble.

[lamboguy]

There are a few tracks that run at night. They are pretty much bush league. The places that have tried Friday night racing have shown to 2 things. The attendance has gone up and the handle has gone down. During the fall the competition from football is brutal, but there is nothing going on the rest of the year that putting up a fight for customers. If racing can't out draw baseball, then they need to look at their product. Heaven forbid that would happen.

Things like union tellers are not what killing horse horse racing. It is knucklehead track managements and horse people who can't show enough contempt for the gamblers. Night racing is a prime example of that. It only took 10 posts for someone to bitch about horse people having to change their sleeping habits. No wonder this sport is so much trouble.i think the racing game should hire you as a consultant to improve this sport. it seems like you have good ideas

[Figman]

In New York State nighttime thoroughbred racing is not allowed. New York City OTB made a fatal mistake years ago when it convinced the State Legislature to allow nighttime thoroughbred racing signals to come into New York from other states. New York City OTB thought every track was the same in terms of class. It wasn't!!
§ 203. Right to hold race meetings and races. Any corporation formed
under the provisions of this article, if so claimed in its certificate
of organization, and if it shall comply with all the provisions of this
article, and any other corporation entitled to the benefits and
privileges of this article as hereinafter provided, shall have the power
and the right to hold one or more running race meetings in each year,
and to hold, maintain and conduct running races at such meetings. At
such running race meetings the corporation, or the owners of horses
engaged in such races, or others who are not participants in the race,
may contribute purses, prizes, premiums or stakes to be contested for,
but no person or persons other than the owner or owners of a horse or
horses contesting in a race shall have any pecuniary interest in a
purse, prize, premium or stake contested for in such race, or be
entitled to or receive any portion thereof after such race is finished,
and the whole of such purse, prize, premium or stake shall be allotted
in accordance with the terms and conditions of such race. Races
conducted by a franchised corporation shall be permitted only between
sunrise and sunset. A track first licensed after January first, nineteen
hundred ninety, shall not conduct the simulcasting of thoroughbred races
within district one, in accordance with article ten of this chapter on
days that a franchised corporation is not conducting a race meeting. In
no event shall thoroughbred races conducted by a track first licensed
after January first, nineteen hundred ninety be conducted after eight
o'clock post meridian.

[misscashalot]

In New York State nighttime thoroughbred racing is not allowed. ........ [B]shall be permitted only between sunrise and sunset.....
Doesn't mean in perpetuity.

[fast4522]

Fast you sound like a bitter person who isn't making it betting. Someone who is looking for an excuse. However. A Bettor doesn't care about quality in the horse that runs around the track. He looks for profit...Or let me put it another way. How many of us would follow racing as closely as we now do if there was no betting allowed?

I beg to differ with you, I often get 7-1 when the public misses who to bet in good races. I make my own pars and use home grown software. Granted you have to wait for opportunity to be present. I have had my fill of those 5,000b junk races, so the more for you at night. Without an infusion of quality in fields and retirement of many track officials that are current, this game has its days numbered.

[misscashalot]

I beg to differ with you, I often get 7-1 when the public misses who to bet in good races. I make my own pars and use home grown software. Granted you have to wait for opportunity to be present. I have had my fill of those 5,000b junk races, so the more for you at night. Without an infusion of quality in fields and retirement of many track officials that are current, this game has its days numbered.

I apologize for my aggression.
But...Ya gotta go with what they give you.
And I do live to bet.

[Beachbabe]

Doesn't mean in perpetuity.


I lived in Perpetuity for 2 years (It seemed like forever).
But you're correct; you're allowed to have night racing there.

[misscashalot]

I lived in Perpetuity for 2 years (It seemed like forever).
But you're correct; you're allowed to have night racing there.
:lol: Sounds like a Sterling Hayden movie :lol: