He is killing his worshippers

[JustRalph]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_poverty_in_america

Record gains for US poverty with elections looming
By HOPE YEN and LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writers
2 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Barack Obama's watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty.

Census figures for 2009 — the recession-ravaged first year of the Democrat's presidency — are to be released in the coming week, and demographers expect grim findings.

It's unfortunate timing for Obama and his party just seven weeks before important elections when control of Congress is at stake. The anticipated poverty rate increase — from 13.2 percent to about 15 percent — would be another blow to Democrats struggling to persuade voters to keep them in power.

"The most important anti-poverty effort is growing the economy and making sure there are enough jobs out there," Obama said Friday at a White House news conference. He stressed his commitment to helping the poor achieve middle-class status and said, "If we can grow the economy faster and create more jobs, then everybody is swept up into that virtuous cycle."

Interviews with six demographers who closely track poverty trends found wide consensus that 2009 figures are likely to show a significant rate
increase to the range of 14.7 percent to 15 percent.

more at the link

From the link:

Demographers also are confident the report will show:
_Child poverty increased from 19 percent to more than 20 percent.

_Blacks and Latinos were disproportionately hit, based on their higher rates of unemployment.


_Metropolitan areas that posted the largest gains in poverty included Modesto, Calif.; Detroit; Cape Coral-Fort Myers, Fla.; Los Angeles and Las Vegas.

"My guess is that politically these figures will be greeted with alarm and dismay but they won't constitute a clarion call to action," said William Galston, a domestic policy aide for President Bill Clinton. "I hope the parties don't blame each other for the desperate circumstances of desperate people. That would be wrong in my opinion. But that's not to say it won't happen."

[mostpost]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_poverty_in_america

Record gains for US poverty with elections looming
By HOPE YEN and LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writers
2 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Barack Obama's watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty.

Census figures for 2009 — the recession-ravaged first year of the Democrat's presidency — are to be released in the coming week, and demographers expect grim findings.

It's unfortunate timing for Obama and his party just seven weeks before important elections when control of Congress is at stake. The anticipated poverty rate increase — from 13.2 percent to about 15 percent — would be another blow to Democrats struggling to persuade voters to keep them in power.

"The most important anti-poverty effort is growing the economy and making sure there are enough jobs out there," Obama said Friday at a White House news conference. He stressed his commitment to helping the poor achieve middle-class status and said, "If we can grow the economy faster and create more jobs, then everybody is swept up into that virtuous cycle."

Interviews with six demographers who closely track poverty trends found wide consensus that 2009 figures are likely to show a significant rate
increase to the range of 14.7 percent to 15 percent.

more at the link

From the link:

Demographers also are confident the report will show:
_Child poverty increased from 19 percent to more than 20 percent.

_Blacks and Latinos were disproportionately hit, based on their higher rates of unemployment.


_Metropolitan areas that posted the largest gains in poverty included Modesto, Calif.; Detroit; Cape Coral-Fort Myers, Fla.; Los Angeles and Las Vegas.

"My guess is that politically these figures will be greeted with alarm and dismay but they won't constitute a clarion call to action," said William Galston, a domestic policy aide for President Bill Clinton. "I hope the parties don't blame each other for the desperate circumstances of desperate people. That would be wrong in my opinion. But that's not to say it won't happen."
This is exactly why we need to vote democratic in November. Republicans caused all these problems, it is stupid to think they can fix them. More importantly, they don't care that people are living in poverty. People living in poverty are anchors, they are lazy, they are dishonest. Republican's always oppose raisng the minimum wage. Republicans voted against providing health care for the 9/11 first responders, for God's sake. Republican's are opposed providing tax credits to businesses to create more jobs. Republicans are more interested in destroying democrats than they are in serving the people. I take that back. They aren't more interested; they are totally interested.

[PaceAdvantage]

Republicans caused all these problems, it is stupid to think they can fix them.No they didn't. How so? And even if I were to grant you that you are correct, what does that say about Democrats who have been in complete control of Congress since 2006 AND have had TOTAL CONTROL of DC for the last TWENTY months?

[Canadian]

So we have one guy posting that is blaming Obama and democratic policies and a second poster who believes it was republican policies of the past that are catching up to the country.....

..... how is right?

[PaceAdvantage]

If you are referring to my reply, I don't think I was blaming Obama and the Dems as much as I was being critical of their apparent total lack of ability to "fix" whatever it was that you believe the Republicans are responsible for breaking.

Or is it your contention that the Republicans have "broken" the US beyond repair? :lol:

[JustRalph]

So we have one guy posting that is blaming Obama and democratic policies and a second poster who believes it was republican policies of the past that are catching up to the country.....

..... how is right?

We have seen this Keynesian show before and it doesn't work

See Jimmy Carter, then Reagan.....it takes at least two years for tax cuts to start having any real effect. Tie in the housing crisis and the longer we wait, this could turn into the longest recession in the history of the world.

Mostie, save yourself ten minutes of cut and paste time. I have read all the conflicting data on the above and have made my mind up.

Obama wants to go down the FDR route and that will do nothing but extend the pain........just like the 30's

[TJDave]

Republicans caused all these problems

Last time this country's welfare system was overhauled it was by a democratic administration.

[boxcar]

No they didn't. How so? And even if I were to grant you that you are correct, what does that say about Democrats who have been in complete control of Congress since 2006 AND have had TOTAL CONTROL of DC for the last TWENTY months?

Good point. This means Dems can't fix problems either but only cause more!

But at least Mosty didn't use Bush's name in his post. :lol: :lol:

Boxcar

[Canadian]

If you are referring to my reply, I don't think I was blaming Obama and the Dems as much as I was being critical of their apparent total lack of ability to "fix" whatever it was that you believe the Republicans are responsible for breaking.

Or is it your contention that the Republicans have "broken" the US beyond repair? :lol:


I wasn't reffering to your reply... the original post.

If the Republicans have gone astray... it's because they moved to far to the center.

[boxcar]

I wasn't reffering to your reply... the original post.

If the Republicans have gone astray... it's because they moved to far to the center.

Huh? I thought that's where the Dems are? :D

Boxcar

[TheFlagIsUp]

I think the solution is to make sure that rich people get more tax cuts. it has worked so well the last 8 years, might as well continue the practice.

[PaceAdvantage]

I think the solution is to make sure that rich people get more tax cuts. it has worked so well the last 8 years, might as well continue the practice.Look at you...spamming now across multiple threads...again...thanks for the excellent contribution!!

You said it once in another thread that I just read, and here I come to this one and read the same thing again! How refreshing!!!

Maybe, just maybe you can make it extra special and find another thread in off-topic where you can talk about rich people getting tax cuts again...I mean, some people saw Star Wars 20 times or more when it hit the theaters back in the day, so you can see where I am coming from here...

[Tom]

Last time this country's welfare system was overhauled it was by a democratic administration.

Yes, and they institutionalized poverty. They made it generational.
Dem have turned everything they touch to shit. FACT.

[boxcar]

Yes, and they institutionalized poverty.

...and racism.

Boxcar

[highnote]

I am reminded of the line from "Jesus Crist Superstar":

"There will be Poor always. Pathetically struggling. Look at the good things, you've got."

One thought on this beautiful Sunday morning... The Poor in this country are rich compared to the poor in some countries. Not many Poor in this country live in shanty towns made of cardboard and tin. You don't see many Poor people left for dead on the side of the road from dying from malnutrition or dystenery.

[ArlJim78]

Not only is poverty surging, but the US is also dropping like a stone when it comes to competitiveness amongst nations (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/546723/201009091858/Is-US-Losing-Its-Competitive-Edge-.htm). Of course to Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the progressive socialist party, this means we're on the right track. No foreign threat could have inflicted as much damage to the US as the Obama agenda has.



http://www.investors.com/image/ISUcomp_100910.png.cms

[Native Texan III]

The WEC Report includes the following issues for US business.
It is not likely any party is going to solve these issues any time soon and a paralyzed Federal Government just makes things worse for the poor folks.

[boxcar]

No, it's not. You're quite right. This means things will likely get worse.

Boxcar

[fast4522]

Yes, and they institutionalized poverty. They made it generational.
Dem have turned everything they touch to shit. FACT.


It is more the case that everything the government touches turns to shit.

And the case should always be made for government to leave it alone.

[ArlJim78]

government problem solving is the problem. a paralyzed government would be a blessing because at least it would stop doing harm. our current government is anything but paralyzed, in fact its quite robust and strong. government needs to get out of the way and stop trying to be our nanny.

[fast4522]

government problem solving is the problem. a paralyzed government would be a blessing because at least it would stop doing harm. our current government is anything but paralyzed, in fact its quite robust and strong. government needs to get out of the way and stop trying to be our nanny.

Exactly, when Clinton was chopped at the knees in his midterm elections government got out of the way, spent much less money and fought in battle to get nothing done, which worked perfectly for the people.

[sandpit]

So we have one guy posting that is blaming Obama and democratic policies and a second poster who believes it was republican policies of the past that are catching up to the country.....

..... how is right?

"Two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong."

[sandpit]

Not only is poverty surging, but the US is also dropping like a stone when it comes to competitiveness amongst nations (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/546723/201009091858/Is-US-Losing-Its-Competitive-Edge-.htm). Of course to Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the progressive socialist party, this means we're on the right track. No foreign threat could have inflicted as much damage to the US as the Obama agenda has.



http://www.investors.com/image/ISUcomp_100910.png.cms

Maybe we should invade Switzerland, Sweden and Singapore...seems like there's a lot more upside there than the Afghan wasteland.

[mostpost]

Not only is poverty surging, but the US is also dropping like a stone when it comes to competitiveness amongst nations (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/546723/201009091858/Is-US-Losing-Its-Competitive-Edge-.htm). Of course to Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the progressive socialist party, this means we're on the right track. No foreign threat could have inflicted as much damage to the US as the Obama agenda has.



http://www.investors.com/image/ISUcomp_100910.png.cms
The three countries which are ahead of the United States are perfect examples of the success of a free market economy. Well.......not exactly.
From Wikipedia
Sweden
The overall taxation rate in Sweden as a % of GDP is double what it is in the USA
Government workers comprise One third of the workforce in Sweden.
80% of Swedish workers are unionized.
SWITZERLAND
On the 10.11.2002 the economics magazine Cash publicized 5 measures, which political and economic actors should implement, so that Switzerland would once again experience an economic revival:

1. Private consumption should be promoted with decent wage increases. In addition to that families with children should get discounts on their health insurances.

2. Switzerland's national bank should revive investments by lowering interest rates. Besides that monetary institutes should increasingly credit consumers and offer cheaper land zones which are to be built on.

4. The government should implement the anti-cyclical measure of increasing budget deficits. Government spending should increase in the infrastructural and educational sectors. Lowering taxes would make sense in order to promote private household consumption.

5. Flexible work schedules should be instituted, thus avoiding low demand dismissals.

These measures were applied with successful results along with the government's policy of the Magical Hexagon which consists of full employment, social equality, economic growth, environmental quality, positive trade balance and price stability.
SINGAPORE
60% of the firms in Singapore are controlled by the government.
99% of the workers are unionized.
27% of the workers are foreign.
So, what we need to do to compete with other countries is raise taxes, hire more government workers, make union membership mandatory, raise wages, provide more money for infrastructure and educaion, prohibit layoffs, and open our borders.

[boxcar]

Mosty, why is Sweden only number 2, then?

Boxcar

[mostpost]

Mosty, why is Sweden only number 2, then?

Boxcar
Because Switzerland is #1
What you apparently did not see is that my reply was not only about Sweden. Switzerland and Singapore are also discussed.

[Tom]

Switzerland is what, the size of Baltimore? :rolleyes:

Factor our our liberals and the USA would be far more productive. Hard to soar with so many anchors holding us down.

[cj's dad]

Switzerland is what, the size of Baltimore? :rolleyes:

Factor our our liberals and the USA would be far more productive. Hard to soar with so many anchors holding us down.

Definition - a device which drags bottom and secures the load in place, not to move forward.

Fits well with your theory Tom !!

Kind of like the USPS :lol:

[kingfin66]

Obama wants to go down the FDR route and that will do nothing but extend the pain........just like the 30's

As much I would like this quote to wrong, it is 100% spot on. The billions spent have not created jobs, only debt. Now Obama wants even more money. Maybe it is time for him to concede to the conservatives a bit and extend the Bush tax credits in full.

[ArlJim78]

So, what we need to do to compete with other countries is raise taxes, hire more government workers, make union membership mandatory, raise wages, provide more money for infrastructure and educaion, prohibit layoffs, and open our borders.
If these things were the answer we'd be in a boom already, because most of this has been rammed through and next thing you know poverty is up and competitiveness is down. do you think Sweden or Singapores borders are more open than ours? no way.
our total debt is now equal to the entire combined world GDP, how much more money can we spend on infrastructure?
but our bigger problem, is that from top to bottom we have theives and thugs running the country. the level of competence in our government is on order of a banana republic.

[JustRalph]

Hey Mosty

It is easy to plow every dime back into your society when your defense budget is a total of 4 billion dollars and you can't even protect your own country. They would be over-run in a day by anybody who wants to take them over.

The U.S. spends 665 Billion a year on the Defense Budget

Compare that with 4 Billion ......... did you just overlook that ?

[mostpost]

If these things were the answer we'd be in a boom already, because most of this has been rammed through and next thing you know poverty is up and competitiveness is down. do you think Sweden or Singapores borders are more open than ours? no way.
our total debt is now equal to the entire combined world GDP, how much more money can we spend on infrastructure?
but our bigger problem, is that from top to bottom we have theives and thugs running the country. the level of competence in our government is on order of a banana republic.
None of these things are being done here. Union membership is at 12% not 80%. Taxation, particularly at the upper levels is way below what would be equitable. Stimulus spending is below what is needed to be effective. Wages have been stagnant for decades. Here is an interesting stat. For most of the last century, wages rose in concert with a rise in productivity. Since 1980, and the institution of the "Free Market" economy and the war on the middle class, productivty has continued to rise at almost the same rate. Wages have not come close to keeping pace.
I know it makes you feel better to blame your problems on an evil government and on evil people in government, but the source of your problems is your own discredited beliefs.

[JustRalph]

but the source of your problems is your own discredited beliefs.

you are hysterical sometimes.............

[mostpost]

Hey Mosty

It is easy to plow every dime back into your society when your defense budget is a total of 4 billion dollars and you can't even protect your own country. They would be over-run in a day by anybody who wants to take them over.

The U.S. spends 665 Billion a year on the Defense Budget

Compare that with 4 Billion ......... did you just overlook that ?
You are absolutely right. So let me add to my list of things we must do to improve our economic situation. Reduce our military and reinstate the draft.

Comparing what the U.S. spends on defense to what Switzerland spends is ludicrous. Switzerland has a land area of 15,940 Sq, mi. The U.S. has an area over 3M Sq. Mi. Switzerland has a population of 7.8M The United States has over 300M residents. Switzerland has no navy.

Don't think it would be that easy to invade Switzerland. Switzerland has military forces of 200,000 members. 120,000 attend regular training and the rest are reserves. Members of the swiss military forces keep their weapons and equipment in their homes and can be mobilized very quickly.
I don't know if you have ever been to Switzerland, but most access to the country by road or by train is through tunnels. All the tunnels along the borders and many in the country are seeded with explosives which can be remotely detonated. I am sure the Swiss armed forces are very skilled at mountain fighting.

[boxcar]

you are hysterical sometimes.............

It must be something in the water he's drinking. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

Mosty, today's wars are started with Air Assets that soften up the enemy. They would be done in a week or less at best. they have a total of 230 Platforms...that includes fixed wing and Helicopters.

from wiki

Its front-line airdefence asset consists of 33 F-18 Hornets and 54 F-5 Tiger IIs (originally 110 purchased in 1978-1985).[9] The F/A-18 pilots are all fulltime professional military; the F-5 pilots however are reserve (militia) personnel. These (mostly airliner or freightliner pilots) do also have an F-5 rating. During certain periods they are being assigned for military duties and have to comply to the operational live flying training. In 2008 the Swiss Hornets reached the 50.000 flight hour milestone.[10] All Swiss Hornets remain highly capable due to the Upgrade 21 (UG21) programme conducted between 2004 and 2009 at RUAG, while another Mid-Life Update (MLU) will begin shortly.[11]

[toetoe]

but the source of your problems is your own discredited beliefs.



Dear God,

Please protect my beliefs from ever being "credited."



Sincerely,

Your racist son

[JustRalph]

all you Liberal fans of Switzerland are going to have to change your mind. They are apparently going Arizona on immigration

They must be racists huh?

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6275314,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

Swiss voters approve harsher deportation plan

Switzerland has approved a plan to automatically deport foreigners convicted of serious crimes. The proposal, put forth by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party, has been criticized by human rights groups.

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,1605945_1,00.jpg

more at the link

[fast4522]

It is not about the tax cuts, its about this asinine agenda Pennsylvania Avenue currently has. Dump the progressive policies currently in place and business will take off like a rocket.

[Lefty]

I am just wondering why mosty hasn't emigrated to those wonderful socialist countries? Maybe he thinks with Obama his socialist dream will be realized here.

So, what we need to do to compete with other countries is raise taxes, hire more government workers, make union membership mandatory, raise wages, provide more money for infrastructure and educaion, prohibit layoffs, and open our borders. Mosty said this. He has low hopes for this country.
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[highnote]

To my knowledge Switzerland has never been liberal when it comes to immigration. If I'm not mistaken, it has always been one of the hardest countries in Europe in which to become a citizen. You need a lot of cash. They don't want freeloaders. They appear to be predjudiced not of your religion, sex, creed, color or place of birth, but of your bank account.







all you Liberal fans of Switzerland are going to have to change your mind. They are apparently going Arizona on immigration

They must be racists huh?

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6275314,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

Swiss voters approve harsher deportation plan

Switzerland has approved a plan to automatically deport foreigners convicted of serious crimes. The proposal, put forth by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party, has been criticized by human rights groups.

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,1605945_1,00.jpg

more at the link