WIN 9 of every 10 BETS !!!

[dav4463]

I received a big glossy 16 page advertisement in the mail today from a Ben Gateman from Nevada. The ad says win 9 of every 10 horse bets and 19 of 20 craps bets !!! It only costs $185 ! The guy says he has made a fortune for the past 9 years. He says, "I'll show you how to have a 9-1 advantage every time you wager at horse racing !....thousands weekly or even daily !

Anybody else get this advertisement? He talks such a good game.....you can see how he probably will get a few people to fall for this deal. Anybody ever heard of him? He "says" that they are still talking about him in Vegas !

[hurrikane]

wow.

the horse thing is pretty rediculous. The craps thing is idiotic.

How are you going to win in a fixed game where the odds are set before the game even begins.

Sounds like a couple of claims I've heard up here. :D

[alysheba88]

Only 9 of 10? Would only buy a system that could guarantee 10 of 10

[Larry Hamilton]

youze guys are looking at this all wrong. Let's look at this from another angle. Given 9:1 odds is a $20 dollar return, and 9 of 10 victories.

So making a nominal bet of $20 for each race has a return $180 average for each and every race.

The solution: just tell the guy, send me a $1000 each day, keep the $800. Every Day. He gets 800 from each of his customers every day, in no time at all we will all be rich.

[kitts]

Amazing claims. Yet more than one survey of such system sellers establishes the fact that claims are what a lot of people want. The more ridiculous, the better. These sellers are interested in making sales, not making friends.

[Tom]

I'll sell my copy for half price!

[kenwoodallpromos]

Maybe he stole my system for show bets! It was not me, I will not sell any successful system if it is at all selective. Most good handicappers on this board could win 9 of 10 show bets on quarter horses using their current methods, but would at most break even.

[hurrikane]

Sounds like a couple of claims I've heard up here.


See what I mean!!!

You sure Bob Gateman isn't an alias for 'Ken Woodall, public handicapper extrordinair'?

[kenwoodallpromos]

I am not Bob Gateman and the only complete system I posted here or told anyone how to handicap I gave away! When I began trying my show system I went to the simulcasts to handicap the quarter horses for "in the money" to learn about handicapping. I cashed 8 of 10 and 9 of 10 but barely broke even so I quit trhat after 5 times.
IMO, anyone who is SELLING a system they cannot prove works is defrauding.
I am on a racetrack snail mail list and receive things from the track. I am also on a couple of lists online, but I have never received offers to buy systems. It would be interesting to see the pitches.

[Lefty]

I think the most creative and funniest one(to me)i've ever gotten was some guy said he had solved the secret to random numbers.
If you knew what won, say, race 4 then you could figure out what number would win race five; that kind of thing. Supposed to have worked the same for casino bets. Hey, why didn't I buy that? I think it was a paltry $49.95.
Maybe derek could sell me a used copy.

[freeneasy]

yeah i just read mine the other day, those 20 testamonials were worth the read alone. one guy hit 23 bets in a row. heres the crux of his system,
he says, as long as you wadger on the majority of races or decisions the tack or casino has the advantage. duahhhhh.
the only time they dont have the advantage is when a series of results enters an extreme circumstance, then reverses. like winding up a rubber band and then letting it go
if you confine your wadgers to only those extreme circumstances for either horse racing or craps then you will have such an advantage that losing will only occur on rare occasions.
heres where he hangs himself.
he confines these "extreme circumstances" to only dice and horse racing, when these same circumstances can also take place in dog racing, quarter horse racing, harness and goat racing as well as roulete. so his system should produce just as equally in either one of these catagories. but he doesnt include any of these. why? because to much balony on a balony sandwich is to much balony on a balony sandwich. case closed.

[kenwoodallpromos]

Not sure what's up, but i am politely correcting your spelling of the word "wadger". You may be trying to spell "wager"! You did spell Circumstances correctly!!

[VetScratch]

Anybody ever heard of him? He "says" that they are still talking about him in Vegas!Is this "Gateman The Bait Man?" He has a good reputation out by Lake Mead.

[dav4463]

I received another one from Alan Davis of Fayetteville, PA. His system is called FACTOR FOUR. It is so easy, according to the letter, that all plays can be picked in less than ONE MINUTE ! "If you like lots of figuring or ratings to compile--forget the rest of this letter- YOU JUST LOOK AT THE FORM AND HAVE YOUR PLAYS !" ONE SIMPLE RULE checked out over an entire meet plus two weeks worth of the next meet, with 2 to 3 selections daily ---NOT ONE LOSER !....according to the letter. He says finally the method turned up a couple of losers, which he was actually glad to see !!! He has never again had a meet without a loser, BUT he has NEVER SEEN THREE LOSERS IN A ROW ! "You will regularly get 5-10-15 selections in coming in, in a row, and seldom, if ever, get two out in a row."

For only $20.....think it's worth it ???!!!!

[Pace Cap'n]

I just absolutely hate getting those things in the mail. The reason being, that although I know the chances are 99.999% it's going to be BS, an intense curiosity arises wondering just what the system could be. And, what if this was THE one?

I do manage to restrain myself nowadays. Back in the late 80's, when the nearest track was a 6 hr. drive, I would go to the races once a year. I'd buy a racing form to carry around so I wouldn't look so dumb, though it may as well have been written in hieroglyphics for all the good it did me. Which was OK, as I couldn't lose much not having much to start with. About 1988 a track opened only two hours down the pike, and suddenly every weekend was a possiblility.

I had no knowledge of handicapping or that books on the subject even existed, and was getting tired of losing when the flyers suddenly started coming. Thinking this was my only possible source of knowledge, I ordered a few. It sure didn't take long to figure out who was making money on the systems. The sellers.

However, the second one I bought was a good one. Made some good money with it, and still do sometimes. The name of it was "The Secret of the Backward Z". Similar to Z patterns discussed on this board, but not quite. It's geared towards longshots, and gets about one play per day per track.

If anyone is interested, I'll post what I recall of it, as I've lost the original booklet.

[VetScratch]

Dave443,I received another one from Alan Davis of Fayetteville, PA. His system is called FACTOR FOUR.I want to market a system called FACTOR FIFTY-ONE with "evidence" that it was actually discovered in Area 51 (i.e., a product of alien intelligence). Maybe I can lease FACTOR FOUR from Alan whose name at least resembles alien. :)