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bettheoverlay
09-02-2003, 04:30 PM
1st race at Ellis 9/1 - Starter Allowance, 2 1/4 miles- 5 horses

Finish:

Sir Dorset - 1st by 43 1/4 lengths
Forty Carats Jade - 2nd by 31
Willard K - 3rd by 55 3/4

5th horse was a dnf. I thought the quarter lengths were kinda comical, but I guess they have to get those speed figures correct!

Dave Schwartz
09-02-2003, 04:33 PM
I think the most hilarious part of this was the 43 1/4 lengths. This has to be some chart caller... not 43 1/2 lengths, mind you but 43 1/4.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

freeneasy
09-02-2003, 08:17 PM
you never know when forty carats jade is going to meet another horse that lost his last 2 1/4 mile race to the same winner in the same time by 43 1/2 lenghts. so that 1/4 in my almost most humble opinion, make all the difference in the world. sometimes i wonder about you guys

cj
09-02-2003, 09:09 PM
The funniest part of the race was the announcer...he actually said "moving like a tremendous machine" ala Secretariat's Belmont!

Dave Schwartz
09-02-2003, 09:57 PM
I called HDW's Ron Tiller about this race. He went to RaceReplays.com and watched the race. Said that it looked about right to him.

(Although he said the announcer might have missed the 43 1/4 lengths. Ron said it did not look like more than 43 to him. <G>)


Dave

Zaf
09-02-2003, 10:04 PM
I'd like to see the speed figure for the winner of that race. I'm sure Dave has a very reliable par for that distance :D

ZAFONIC

Dave Schwartz
09-02-2003, 10:18 PM
Very reliable par... yes. And I built it from the giant database I have of 2 1/4 mile races at ELP.

LOL

Valuist
09-02-2003, 11:38 PM
Sounds like a normal-gapped race at winter Turfway.

Show Me the Wire
09-02-2003, 11:47 PM
Valuist:

So true. And next out the the 40 plus length loser wins by 20.

Regards,
Show Me the Wire

Perception is reality

freeneasy
09-03-2003, 12:33 AM
i predict that in the very near future you'll be seeing some of the more important races being carded at 2 1/4 miles, maybe even throwing one into the breeders cup. iam tell'n ya folks, i smell a classic here.
oh, how did they divide the splits. lemme guess, oh,oh wait, i got a great idea. how about we have a contest to see who could come closest to guessing what the splits were in that race. winnner gets a free plane ticket to his or hers choice of either next years toga party or travers day parade
1/2... 52:3
3/4... 1:18:4
mile... 1:45
1 1/4... 2:11:1
1 1/2... 2:37:3
1 3/4... 3:03:4
2 m..... 3:30
2 1/4... 3:56:1

thats how i would see it, now gimme that plane ticket

kent
09-03-2003, 12:45 AM
...the reason for the 1/4 is because the 'over-under' was 43!

Brian Flewwelling
09-03-2003, 03:09 AM
Semi-Cerius question: Don't the beathen lengths get recorded by the camera at the finish?

The Beaten lengths at the splits are estimated ??


So the 43 1/4 means they kept the camera running for a long time.

Brian

takeout
09-03-2003, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by Brian Flewwelling
So the 43 1/4 means they kept the camera running for a long time.

Good point. I wonder if they actually do that all of the time when they are that far back?

GameTheory
09-03-2003, 04:46 AM
They keep the camera running to cover the whole field. This was the winner...

JimL
09-03-2003, 08:26 AM
The only thing I, like better than 2 1/4 mile races are turf sprints at 5f. JimL

alysheba88
09-03-2003, 12:04 PM
Very funny.

I looked at the charts of the other Ellis races that day.

First 8 races were won by favorites!
Race 9: 2.20-1 shot won (favorite was 2.10-1)
Race10: 1.30-1 horse won (favorite was 0.90)
Race 11 2.20-1 won (favorite was 2.10-1).

11 races, and biggest winner was $6.40

Biggest exacta was $105, second biggest was 58.60. Everything else well under $30

Biggest tri was 632. 4 tris were under $100

Pick 3s paid as follows (based on $1 bets)

10.90
30
17.70
17.90
7.50
11.30
13.30
40.10
46.10

Tom
09-03-2003, 09:55 PM
Finger Lakes track record for 2-1/4 miiles is 4:11.3 set by Amber Dare, 10/20/73. Amber Dare also holds the records for 2-5/8 miles, 11/17/73, and 4 miles and 1/16 11/3/73.

Three track records in a month.

Dave, I noticed that these distances were missing from your pars. :rolleyes:

freeneasy
09-03-2003, 11:38 PM
i guess if the winner ran the 2 1/4 in 3:56:1 like i projected he would have been running like a "tremendous machine" or maybe even more like "Rodan" member him, that giant preistoric bird, the one with the great big long rectangular shaped head and he was the terror of tokyo, everytime he flew over a building it would desenigrate from the friction under his wings.
wonder what the instructions to the jock was. oh, keep him tight, dont let him get away from you, and for gwad sakes dont let hm get caught in the switches. oh and try to save a little for the next race, we got a 2 and 3/16ths race all set up for him next month.