The Forego-Gr1

[PhantomOnTour]

I hope the Forego isn't a foregone conclusion with no serious frontrunners to challenge Vineyard Haven, except for #9 Checklist, who may be sent to challenge VH as part of a non-coupled Pletcher entry that includes Bribon.

I am probably going to land on Here Comes Ben (#4). He gets the class test today going in his first Gr Stks race, and Solis is only 1-38 this meet (ouch!), but Ben is a tough sprinter who's won his last two times off the layoff. Figs are competitive and he loves 7f. Need someone to hook VH and hopefully he can sit a few lengths back and make a move....wish Kent D were up instead of Solis though. Charitable Man is also intruiging to me off a useful return race for A Dutrow/Ramon.

Who ya got?....and is this just a parade for Vineyard Haven??

[cj]

I really don't see Big Drama taking back after the last debacle.

[PhantomOnTour]

I really don't see Big Drama taking back after the last debacle.
The more the merrier up front imo. Drama's 6f speed will put him in it from the bell. As you can probably tell, I am trying to work out a scenario to beat VH(a 4 time Gr1 winner)...Godolphin hasn't been their old dominant selves this summer in NY. Bribon may be the major beneficiary if this heats up too much.

[sammy the sage]

Solis WILL NOT go between horses...not EVEN CLOSE to being the Jock he ONCE was :(

[gm10]

Vineyard Haven (+ Girolamo) is my key for the Pick 4. Certainly classy enough, and his last work was awesome, apparently.

[Charlie D]

Fascinating race this. Big question for me is will VH go with Checklist and Big Drama and compromise his claims or sit in behind speed like at Laurel and enhance his claims.

[cj]

Fascinating race this. Big question for me is will VH go with Checklist and Big Drama and compromise his claims or sit in behind speed like at Laurel and enhance his claims.

For the record, this is why I don't like VH. These are all of his 9 races, overall ratings for each. : indicates a short layoff, | a long layoff. Most recent is first:

1 Vineyard Haven 103 | 103 104 113 | 86 : 115 99 84 93

His last three have not been fast enough to win this kind of race, and that is definitely not something I want to see in a favorite.

[Charlie D]

If he goes, Early Pace Pressure will leave him vulnerable to closers CJ imho, if they take a pull (as at Laurel) and sits 1 or 2 off, he is probably in best position fior race set up along with his stable mate Giromalo.

Bribon, Warriors Reward need a bit of help i think, though, i do like the look of the latter if VH, Checklist and BD do put pressure on each other.

[gm10]

For the record, this is why I don't like VH. These are all of his 9 races, overall ratings for each. : indicates a short layoff, | a long layoff. Most recent is first:

1 Vineyard Haven 103 | 103 104 113 | 86 : 115 99 84 93

His last three have not been fast enough to win this kind of race, and that is definitely not something I want to see in a favorite.

He's definitely a fragile animal, but he should be spot on for this one. Up to the racing gods to decide whether that's true or not.

Who do you like instead? Bribon?

[cj]

He's definitely a fragile animal, but he should be spot on for this one. Up to the racing gods to decide whether that's true or not.

Who do you like instead? Bribon?

I think Big Drama or Bribon will win. I don't know if either will be worth betting since I rarely play horses under 5 to 1 in the win spot.

[PhantomOnTour]

By my Quirin style figs Here Comes Ben has run 2 very nice races at CD going 7f. I have them both rated a 112 which fits (on speed-not pace)with Bribon's True North and all of VH's last 4 races, also fits with Big Drama's 3 races this year. By 'fits' I mean it's within 2pts of the others. My best fig for this race is Warrior's Reward's Carter performance.

Ben is too slow pacewise but he needn't contest the early lead. His last 2 final figs came on the heels of 2 very different paces so hopefully his final number can remain constant. However, I want him a bit farther back tody than in his last 2 which should happen as they may be whisking along up front. He has a strong stretch kick at the sprint distances and here's to hoping Solis does something right and works out a trip....fingers crossed at 12-1 or so.

[Charlie D]

Good stuff btw guys. Enjoy reading all the different thoughts in races like this.


I've decided VH is going with Checklist and doomed (no appeal to me at 2-1 anyway)

[gm10]

I think Big Drama or Bribon will win. I don't know if either will be worth betting since I rarely play horses under 5 to 1 in the win spot.

My problem with Big D is that he has only won at the B- and C-tracks so far. On figures he's not out of it, but 4/1 is short.

[Charlie D]

Entry mates are coming in as a lay up 3.6 (5-2) on my Line.

[WinterTriangle]

I'm playing Bribon and Here Comes Ben

[PaceAdvantage]

My model points to Bribon and Girolamo, for what it's worth

[46zilzal]

:1: Vineyard Haven to make the pace and then :4: Here Comes Ben :2: Bribon and :9: Checklist

[Charlie D]

VH a lay at current BF odds.


Warriors Reward 5-2 on Tote :eek:

[Charlie D]

Looks like Warriors Reward will run with none of my money on him. So it's Bribon and Girolamo (Betfair price) i'm betting.


All the best.

[DeanT]

For the record, this is why I don't like VH. These are all of his 9 races, overall ratings for each. : indicates a short layoff, | a long layoff. Most recent is first:

1 Vineyard Haven 103 | 103 104 113 | 86 : 115 99 84 93

His last three have not been fast enough to win this kind of race, and that is definitely not something I want to see in a favorite.

OK, you swayed me; I am against. If he wins I will blame Relwob or bisket :)

[WinterTriangle]

I'm playing Bribon and Here Comes Ben

Big Drama and Omniscient looks good too.

[PaceAdvantage]

Kudos to PhantomOnTour for going with the winner from the start....WT had this one too it appears...

[Charlie D]

By my Quirin style figs Here Comes Ben has run 2 very nice races at CD going 7f. I have them both rated a 112 which fits (on speed-not pace)with Bribon's True North and all of VH's last 4 races, also fits with Big Drama's 3 races this year. By 'fits' I mean it's within 2pts of the others. My best fig for this race is Warrior's Reward's Carter performance.

Ben is too slow pacewise but he needn't contest the early lead. His last 2 final figs came on the heels of 2 very different paces so hopefully his final number can remain constant. However, I want him a bit farther back tody than in his last 2 which should happen as they may be whisking along up front. He has a strong stretch kick at the sprint distances and here's to hoping Solis does something right and works out a trip....fingers crossed at 12-1 or so.


:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: Phantom and Ben bettors.

[46zilzal]

:1: Vineyard Haven to make the pace and then :4: Here Comes Ben :2: Bribon and :9: Checklist
The closer closed the right way at the right time

Top two another splitzacta....A recurring pattern that hall marks trifecta play

[PaceAdvantage]

Bribon came up shockingly empty in the stretch...

[WinterTriangle]

I'm playing Bribon and Here Comes Ben

Those were my win bets.

Big Drama and Omniscient looks good too.

And added these for my exacta ticket: 2,4 over 3, 6

so it looks like I hit it.:jump:

[toetoe]

Hey Phantom,


Nicely, nicely. :ThmbUp: .

[DeanT]

Phantom even posted it twice. Nice picking.

As for WT, if we gave her more time she woulda picked eight freaking horses. Wishy-washy :)

(jk, congrats)

[Some_One]

HCB was available for as high as 27-1, I got 17-1 on BF, thanks to the person who layed that bet for me, lol.

Exchange Traded And Available Betfair Starting Price
Price To back To lay Traded Backers' Stake Layers' Liability
14.50 $3
15.00 $6
15.50 $6
16.00 $3
16.50 $51
17.00 $72
17.50 $64
18.00 $118
18.50 $137 $3 $32
19.00 $107
19.50 $5
20.00 $33
21.00 $6
23.00 $13
24.00 $12
25.00 $54
26.00 $10
27.00 $25

[Grits]

Hey Phantom,


Nicely, nicely. :ThmbUp: .

Indeed!!!

[WinterTriangle]

Phantom even posted it twice. Nice picking.

As for WT, if we gave her more time she woulda picked eight freaking horses. Wishy-washy :)

(jk, congrats)

:) I posted my win bets at 3:27 today


I posted the other ones after I saw the post parade, so decided to play an exacta with my win bets and them.

Not wishy washy at all, actually. I wasn't going to play an exacta til I saw the post parade.:)

[46zilzal]

:) I posted my win bets at 3:27 today


I posted the other ones after I saw the post parade, so decided to play an exacta with my win bets and them.

Not wishy washy at all, actually. I wasn't going to play an exacta til I saw the post parade.:)
They always look for a way to knock anyone who is successful when they are not.....keep up the good work in understanding that each race has multiple potentials

[Charlie D]

Think Dean may have been having a bit of fun with WT, hence the smiley

[DeanT]

:) I posted my win bets at 3:27 today


I posted the other ones after I saw the post parade, so decided to play an exacta with my win bets and them.

Not wishy washy at all, actually. I wasn't going to play an exacta til I saw the post parade.:)

All I know is you are hot lately. You are worse for my takeout than the Cali takeout hike.:)

[PaceAdvantage]

They always look for a way to knock anyone who is successful when they are not.....keep up the good work in understanding that each race has multiple potentialsLearn to read a post...he was just kidding (note the text contained in the parenthesis at the end of his reply).

Man, you are getting ponderous...

[gm10]

Well done Here Comes Ben backers. That will be some pick 4/pick 6.

[DeanT]

Learn to read a post...he was just kidding (note the text contained in the parenthesis at the end of his reply).

Man, you are getting ponderous...

I cant say anything bad about WT. She will take me to school with one of those rapier-like long posts and I will be whimpering for weeks :)

[WinterTriangle]

Think Dean may have been having a bit of fun with WT, hence the smiley

I knew that. It's why I posted back to Dean with a smiley, too.

[cj]

OK, you swayed me; I am against. If he wins I will blame Relwob or bisket :)

I'd be betting he ran another low 100 figure, which is never going to win a race like this.

[cj]

They always look for a way to knock anyone who is successful when they are not.....keep up the good work in understanding that each race has multiple potentials

You have the sense of humor of a cement pillar.

[Relwob Owner]

OK, you swayed me; I am against. If he wins I will blame Relwob or bisket :)


How did I get roped into this discussion?:)


My "bold" take today was that Quality Road would romp and that Bisket's pick would struggle....I know when to leave on top!

[PhantomOnTour]

"I love it when a plan comes together".
-George Peppard (from the A-Team)

Thanks for the congrats ya'll....Solis did do something right after all! :ThmbUp:

[RXB]

I'd be betting he ran another low 100 figure, which is never going to win a race like this.

I have Vineyard Haven at exactly 100. Winner 105.