Just Left Glenn Beck Rally.....site

[JustRalph]

I just dropped some friends off at the Lincoln Memorial. I was able to drive right up to the site and dropped them off in front. We were there at 6:55a

There are people everywhere. Some walking in from 5 miles out. Taxi Cabs full of people dropping off and all the Hotels in the area are full of buses etc.

This is going to be interesting.............now picking them up to return to my home this afternoon-evening is going to be interesting........

[Let's Roll]

Thank you for mentioning Mr. Becks gathering, I was just thinking about it.
I do not use the TV, if anyone finds a link to view or listen to it online or via radio, please post a link.
My best wishes go out to everyone who attends the event !!

[JustRalph]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44821/

glennbeck.com has the above link..........fyi

[jballscalls]

you can watch it on facebook. i have to work, so won't be watching, not really interested anyways, but there were 35,000 people watching when i just looked on facebook, and it doesn't start for 15 minutes

[PhantomOnTour]

Don't they know it's Travers Day at Saratoga??? Geeez....

[jballscalls]

Don't they know it's Travers Day at Saratoga??? Geeez....

they are doing it cause it's the anniversary of "i have a dream' speech and the march.

i'm sure it will have the same historical ramifications.

thats why Ralph dropped folks off and didn't stay, he's got a live Pick 4 ticket at the spa!

[hcap]

COMPLETE NONSENSE!!


Leonard Pitts Jr. "It is obscene. It is theft of legacy. It is robbery of martyr's graves."

This is a moment,'' said Glenn Beck three months ago on his radio program, ``...that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement. It has been so distorted and so turned upside down. . . . We are on the right side of history. We are on the side of individual freedoms and liberties and damn it, we will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement, because we were the people that did it in the first place!''

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/25/1790858/this-is-who-we-really-is-glenn.html#ixzz0xuVxuJHW


http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/25/1790858/this-is-who-we-really-is-glenn.html


Beck was part of the "we" who founded the civil rights movement!? No. Here's who "we" is.

"We" is Emmett Till, tied to a cotton gin fan in the murky waters of the Tallahatchie River. "We" is Rosa Parks telling the bus driver no. "We" is Diane Nash on a sleepless night waiting for missing Freedom Riders to check in. "We" is Charles Sherrod, husband of Shirley, gingerly testing desegregation compliance in an Albany, Ga., bus station. "We" is a sharecropper making his X on a form held by a white college student from the North. "We" is celebrities like Harry Belafonte, Marlon Brando and Pernell Roberts of Bonanza, lending their names, their wealth and their labor to the cause of freedom.

"We" is Medgar Evers, Michael Schwerner, Jimmie Lee Jackson, James Reeb, Viola Liuzzo, Cynthia Wesley, Andrew Goodman, Denise McNair, James Chaney, Addie Mae Collins and Carole Robertson, shot, beaten and blown to death for that cause.

"We" is Lyndon Johnson, building a legislative coalition of moderate Republicans and Democrats to defeat intransigent Southern Democratic conservatives and enshrine that cause into law.

And "we" is Martin Luther King, giving voice and moral clarity to the cause -- and paying for it with his life.

The we to which Glenn Beck belongs is the we that said no, the we that cried "socialism!" "communism!" "tyranny!" whenever black people and their allies cried freedom.

The fatuous and dishonorable attempt to posit conservatives as the prime engine of civil rights depends for success on the ignorance of the American people... This, then, is to serve notice as Beck and his tea party faithful gather in Lincoln's shadow to claim the mantle of King: Some of us are not ignorant. Some of us remember. Some of us know very well who "we" is.

And, who "we" is not.

[Let's Roll]

Thank you for the link !
Looks and sounds very nice.

I see the malcontents are miffed.
Too bad.

God Bless America.

[GameTheory]

This is a moment,'' said Glenn Beck three months ago on his radio program, ``...that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement. It has been so distorted and so turned upside down. . . . We are on the right side of history. We are on the side of individual freedoms and liberties and damn it, we will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement, because we were the people that did it in the first place!''

From the article:You'll notice he didn't define the "we" he had in mind, but it seems reasonable to suppose Beck was speaking of people like himself: affluent middle-aged conservatives possessed of the ability to see socialism and communism in places where it somehow escapes the notice of others.

If you agree that assumption is reasonable...

I don't agree, and that is not reasonable. Not even close. Is this supposed to pass for well-reasoned logical thinking? It's laughable.

[GameTheory]

Oh my -- there are a whole bunch of black people there -- even on stage speaking and singing! Uncle Tom racists!!!!!!

[PaceAdvantage]

Hcap and others like him have become caricatures of themselves.

They have absolutely lost what they once envisioned to be "100 years of Democrat rule" in only four or five years!!! :lol:

It's sad actually.

Must tear hcap up to see all those people on the mall and to hear Beck and Palin give speeches that have little or nothing to do with politics.

Must be absolutely killing him to read this headline on msn.com:

D.C. Jammed for Glenn Beck Rally

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38891505/ns/politics-more_politics/?Gt1=43001

[rastajenk]

Leonard Pitts swings and misses a lot more often than he makes contact, usually by making unreasonable assumptions.

[46zilzal]

COMPLETE NONSENSE!!


Leonard Pitts Jr. "It is obscene. It is theft of legacy. It is robbery of martyr's graves."

This is a moment,'' said Glenn Beck three months ago on his radio program, ``...that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement. It has been so distorted and so turned upside down. . . . We are on the right side of history. We are on the side of individual freedoms and liberties and damn it, we will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement, because we were the people that did it in the first place!''

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/25/1790858/this-is-who-we-really-is-glenn.html#ixzz0xuVxuJHW


Well there really IS a bigger lunatic than the ex-gubbner of Alaska out there

[bigmack]

Leonard Pitts swings and misses a lot more often than he makes contact, usually by making unreasonable assumptions.
I particularly like when he wrote: about a white couple who were raped and murdered by five black assailants in Knoxville, Tennessee. In his column addressing the murders, Pitts wrote, "I am [...] unkindly disposed toward the crackpots, incendiaries and flat-out racists who have chosen this tragedy upon which to take an obscene and ludicrous stand. I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized: Cry me a river."

Well there really IS a bigger lunatic than the ex-gubbner of Alaska out there
You mean other than you?

[Tom]

Let's see, MLK's nieces, is it, is there speaking?
Her father's Church was burned.....she was arrested.......guess that gives HER a claim on the legacy, hcap. Come down off your high horse....
The people at this rally are real Americans........all colors together. Gee, it CAN be done, when you throw out the racist "black leaders."


This has gotta be killing Jesse and AL, the Just Us Brothers - unity without them. :lol:

“It is absolutely ludicrous that abortion supporters would accuse a blood relative of Dr. King of hijacking the King legacy,” she said in a statement. “Uncle Martin and my father, Rev. A. D. King were blood brothers. How can I hijack something that belongs to me? I am an heir to the King Family legacy.”

http://www.afro.com/sections/news/national/story.htm?storyid=2359

Once again, Rev Al tries to pretend his is relevant. He is not.

[lsbets]

Oh please Hcap, don't try to claim that you care about protecting minorities in anyway. You and the others who subscribe to your line of reasoning have nothing but hate for the smallest minority there is. Those who are rallying today actually understand this and are speaking up for the smallest minority on earth.

[mostpost]

I just watched a part of the Glenn Beck rally and I must give credit to Beck for being the consumate showman. Everything about the rally and his speech was designed to elicit an emotional response; from the repeated references to the Declaration of Independence to the solo bagpipe playing "Amazing Grace" to the use of phrases I have heard many times before.

Beck said nothing in his speech, but he did say it many times and in many different ways.

[illinoisbred]

Beck and his ideas have alot more to offer than the hopelessness and despair that the left needs to promulgate,preserve,and protect to justify their jaded sense of what this country is all about.

[Tom]

Which group do suppose hold the promise of successful race relations, the uniting of Americans to come together to overcome adversity, and the source of strength that this nation needs to recover and grow lead the world?

Becks, or the dem/lib/prog machine out in force today to demonize, criticize and ostracize? the Great dividers like Obama, or the real, birth-cert carring Americans there today?



















:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[46zilzal]

And I thought only Warner Brothers made Loonie Tunes

QUOTE:"Something beyond imagination is happening,'' he said. "America today begins to turn back to God.''

[PaceAdvantage]

And I thought only Warner Brothers made Loonie Tunes

QUOTE:"Something beyond imagination is happening,'' he said. "America today begins to turn back to God.''You got it baby...and I love that it is driving you bonkers! :lol:

"100 years of Democrat control...." :lol: :lol:

I have to go dig up that quote from this board...I forget who actually wrote that after the 2008 elections...

[ArlJim78]

I wish they wouldn't make it about a God. that's where i get off the train. Once you start talking about turning to God then it becomes a non-inclusive religious event. A lot of us want big changes in government but we're not turning to god for it.

[PaceAdvantage]

The founding fathers never eliminated God from the equation...and neither are the people assembled today in D.C.

[Tom]

So far, I have not heard on single person say that Glen Beck was going to fill up her gas tank from his "stash!" :lol:

This is killing the left.....killing them!

[ArlJim78]

The founding fathers never eliminated God from the equation...and neither are the people assembled today in D.C.
Wow, you know what is in the minds of all those people gathered there.

[PaceAdvantage]

Wow, you know what is in the minds of all those people gathered there.Yup, that's what I wrote. :rolleyes:

[46zilzal]

quote from local TV station in DC

To butcher Monty Python’s “Life of Brian’s” famous line. “He is not the bleeding messiah, he is just a very egotistical boy.”

The success or lack thereof of Beckapalooza this Saturday has little to do with the tea party movement, as he is not its leader or even part of it, and all to do with Beck’s cult of personality.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/on-Beckapalooza-weekend-101682098.html#ixzz0xwW5IZfI

[HUSKER55]

A little research will reveal that our founding fathers thought that god, man and government were all entwined because it would be impossible to seperate one from the other.

God also told man to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.

I bet that scares the hell out of a lot of people because god doesn't demand that we do anything except sit back and watch as he makes them implode.

[PaceAdvantage]

The success or lack thereof of Beckapalooza this Saturday has little to do with the tea party movement, as he is not its leader or even part of it, and all to do with Beck’s cult of personality.Obama fans should be very familiar with cults of personality... :lol:

[Robert Goren]

Has he told them to melt down all gold he talk them into buying and mold it to a golden fleece and turn it over to him for safe keeping yet?;)

[Tom]

The success or lack thereof of Beckapalooza this Saturday has little to do with the tea party movement, as he is not its leader or even part of it, and all to do with Beck’s cult of personality.

If we had a thousand years, you would never come close to getting it.
You cannot interpret what these people are all about using your wack-o filters.

[Tom]

Sales of these are through the roof today....especially in BLUE STATES.

[fast4522]

I took the time to read each and every post in this thread, I have got to say the same sour grape showed up to express some horse shit but in all the was nothing that anyone wanted to hear or believed except these limited few. Just like the fact that everyone has a asshole we also have a agenda, thanks to Mr Beck today the movement is to a better America than this funk we are stuck in until November. Emergency budget appropriations needing 60 United States Senators for cloture to vote is not next, but even more devastating events for the Democrats this fall. It is not about race, it is about taking from the people for a filthy agenda to which have never worked. Currently we are in worse condition than the country Greece, no more bail out money. I just can not wait to see Nancy's & Harry's face when all they have worked for turns to crap.

[toetoe]

Leonard Pitts swings and misses a lot more often than he makes contact, usually by making unreasonable assumptions.



You racist !!! :rolleyes: .

[Note: Leonard Pitts is one of those omniscient, saintly beings known as colored people.]

[toetoe]

I just watched a part of the Glenn Beck rally and I must give credit to Beck for being the consumate showman. Everything about the rally and his speech was designed to elicit an emotional response; from the repeated references to the Declaration of Independence to the solo bagpipe playing "Amazing Grace" to the use of phrases I have heard many times before.

Beck said nothing in his speech, but he did say it many times and in many different ways.



Okay, only Sarah Silverfish would want to dishonor MLK, and I won't here, but didn't Saint Marty himself wring every last bit of emotion out of his speeches ? Oh, and unless you are colored people yerdamnself, I fear you are not credible. :rolleyes: .

[boxcar]

I wish they wouldn't make it about a God. that's where i get off the train. Once you start talking about turning to God then it becomes a non-inclusive religious event. A lot of us want big changes in government but we're not turning to god for it.

Then you're stuck with the only other alternative: Look to the godless for a set of moral values upon which to turn this nation around. Good luck with that; for the godless will never elevate this nation to an exalted position with their brand of righteousness.

Boxcar

[rastajenk]

No, no, no, that's not quite right. I would tend to side with ArlJ in wishing for a more secular approach in matters of government. I haven't seen anything about today's event yet, so I don't know to what extent it was God-based. I certainly don't mind coalitioning with those guided by their faith, but they don't always have to lead the wedge. Sometimes they can maintain their lanes and play safety. To, uh, footballize it, so to speak.

[bigmack]

No, no, no, that's not quite right. I would tend to side with ArlJ in wishing for a more secular approach in matters of government. I haven't seen anything about today's event yet, so I don't know to what extent it was God-based. I certainly don't mind coalitioning with those guided by their faith, but they don't always have to lead the wedge. Sometimes they can maintain their lanes and play safety. To, uh, footballize it, so to speak.
You ain't gonna get that with GB, 12 stepper & all. He's deeply involved with Scripture & getting more & more ensconced.

Always a treat to see the media cover such events as 'conservative' gatherings. They used to cover O'Reilly as such and found in time he was simply a traditionalist, much like they'll find in time with Becky. Traditional to a camp that practices 'anything goes' smacks of John Birch. Then again, most often their brains can't think outside really small boxes.

From a brief 'look-see' it appeared like a snoozefest. I can't imagine attending having to walk a distance for a portapotty & all. I would have had to hang with Rev. Al to get closer access to a 'head' and to have a ball shouting questions of T. Brawley. :eek:

Full coverage from SeeSpan:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295231-1

[JustRalph]

Drove back down and picked my party up right in front of the Washington Monument at around 3p. Tight traffic but not terrible.

The best video of the day.........Al Sharpton's rally sneaking over to a tent and stealing the bottled water Glenn Beck had provided for free.

5 miles later a guy standing on the corner selling Glenn Beck bottled water :lol:

[lamboguy]

i was trying to figure out this glen beck guy as to how sincere he is. he truly looks like he is fed up with what has been going on around him. i truly think he is not doing this for publicity or for financial gains, he simply loves this country and doesn't want to see it succomb to radical idea's . i guess i like him because we share alot of the same ideals, we both own gold, and we both don't like either political party in this country.

[Tom]

Who would you buy a used car from, Beck or Obama? :lol::lol:

[HUSKER55]

TOM, DID YOU FORGET OBAMA PAID PEOPLE TO BUY CARS

AND HE STILL WENT BROKE:D

[PaceAdvantage]

I am loving every minute of this...it's amazing how disconnected the comments that appear after the following article are from reality:

Pujols honored at Glenn Beck rally

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/St-Louis-Cardinals-Albert-Pujols-honored-at-Glenn-Beck-rally-082810

These liberals are absolutely beside themselves that guys like LaRussa and Pujols would attend...they are so disconnected from the reality of what happened at the rally that they are literally inventing stuff to make themselves feel better.

November should be so fun...I predict hcap and Secretariat and all the gang will be posting a lot more often from here on out...and they will sound as inconsequential as ever... :lol:

[JustRalph]

Tony Larussa is a patriot

[NJ Stinks]

Has he told them to melt down all gold he talk them into buying and mold it to a golden fleece and turn it over to him for safe keeping yet?;)

Robert, that was hilarious! :lol:

[lsbets]

No, no, no, that's not quite right. I would tend to side with ArlJ in wishing for a more secular approach in matters of government. I haven't seen anything about today's event yet, so I don't know to what extent it was God-based. I certainly don't mind coalitioning with those guided by their faith, but they don't always have to lead the wedge. Sometimes they can maintain their lanes and play safety. To, uh, footballize it, so to speak.

I'm with you on this one, and can't help but think how many people who think it is great Beck invoked religion don't realize that he is Mormon. I can't picture a lot of evangelicals taking a call to faith from a Mormon. For me it would have been better if he didn't make it a religious revival.

[fast4522]

I do not think what religion that someone is was the message, everything is gay euro filth of late. The core of faith are not the perversions you are seeing today, drugs, killing people for money, doing evil just because you can. What made this country great is in part to strong Judeo–Christian core values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian

[rastajenk]

No doubt about that; but the more religion gets inserted into the conversation, the vast left wing conspiracy has more chances to distort, re-define, and frame the narrative as something it is not.

The core values supporting the explosive growth of TEA party influence, and the conservative comeback in general, are a common sense evaluation of the past performances, a trust in the principles that have made our success, and a distrust in the demagoguery of the elites that know better than us what's good for us. It isn't an evangelical renaissance, although there's plenty of common ground.

[jballscalls]

One thing i don't get is why the left don't embrace the tea party instead of villify them??

i mean it's a group of people who are disinfranchised (sp?) and are peacefully assembling and protesting and exercising their rights to do so for a common cause they believe in.

I would think the party of tolerance would be tolerant of folks doing so, but not shockingly, they aren't

[GaryG]

I would think the party of tolerance would be tolerant of folks doing so, but not shockingly, they aren'tJason, you know better than that. The left is tolerant of only those who agree with them. They then villify all of the others.

[lamboguy]

I am loving every minute of this...it's amazing how disconnected the comments that appear after the following article are from reality:

Pujols honored at Glenn Beck rally

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/St-Louis-Cardinals-Albert-Pujols-honored-at-Glenn-Beck-rally-082810

These liberals are absolutely beside themselves that guys like LaRussa and Pujols would attend...they are so disconnected from the reality of what happened at the rally that they are literally inventing stuff to make themselves feel better.

November should be so fun...I predict hcap and Secretariat and all the gang will be posting a lot more often from here on out...and they will sound as inconsequential as ever... :lol:
i don't really think this guys rally has anything to do with liberalism or conservetism. from what i gather, mr. beck has the same amount of respect for both sides, ZERO. the whole problem with consevetives are liberals, and the whole problem with liberals are conservetives. so when you constantly mention one or the other all you are doing is pressing someones buttons. as far as i can see both sides would rather fight each other then do some good for this world. in other words both sides are nothing short of selfish. that is why mr. beck is so refreshing, he recognizes that and has a completely different agenda.

[Let's Roll]

One thing i don't get is why the left don't embrace the tea party instead of villify them??

i mean it's a group of people who are disinfranchised (sp?) and are peacefully assembling and protesting and exercising their rights to do so for a common cause they believe in.

I would think the party of tolerance would be tolerant of folks doing so, but not shockingly, they aren't

Excellent article by Charles Krauthammer may give some insights:
"The Last Refuge Of A Liberal"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082605233.html

".....It is a measure of the corruption of liberal thought and the collapse of its self-confidence that, finding itself so widely repudiated, it resorts reflexively to the cheapest race-baiting (in a colorful variety of forms). Indeed, how can one reason with a nation of pitchfork-wielding mobs brimming with "antipathy toward people who aren't like them" -- blacks, Hispanics, gays and Muslims -- a nation that is, as Michelle Obama once put it succinctly, "just downright mean"?

The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama over-read his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them."

[boxcar]

No, no, no, that's not quite right. I would tend to side with ArlJ in wishing for a more secular approach in matters of government. I haven't seen anything about today's event yet, so I don't know to what extent it was God-based. I certainly don't mind coalitioning with those guided by their faith, but they don't always have to lead the wedge. Sometimes they can maintain their lanes and play safety. To, uh, footballize it, so to speak.

Just keep in mind one thing -- in fact all you anti-God "righties": The root cause to this nation's chronic illness isn't political. The symptoms to this country's disease are certainly political -- but politics isn't the real problem. The root cause is Spirituality/Morality. All politics finds its ground in morality. All laws find their ground in morality, too.

Human Secularism is largely responsible for where we are today as a nation. Politicians and Judges, over the course of many decades, have all but removed God from public discourse and public policy. But where has that gotten us as a nation? You "Righties" really should listen to yourselves. Day in, day out you complain about this guy lying, or that guy cheating, or about some gross unfairness, or about some injustice, or prejudices, etc., etc., etc. Virtually all your politically-oriented complaints find their roots in issues involving moral values. Yet, you still want to cling for dear life unto the very godless philosophy that got us to this point in the first place!? :bang: :bang: You are so dull of hearing that you can't even listen to yourselves!

Boxcar

[rastajenk]

Apparently we are all clingers now, clinging on to something: guns, religion, jobs, godless philosophies, handicapping methods.

[GameTheory]

Human Secularism is largely responsible for where we are today as a nation. Politicians and Judges, over the course of many decades, have all but removed God from public discourse and public policy. But where has that gotten us as a nation? You "Righties" really should listen to yourselves. Day in, day out you complain about this guy lying, or that guy cheating, or about some gross unfairness, or about some injustice, or prejudices, etc., etc., etc. Virtually all your politically-oriented complaints find their roots in issues involving moral values. Yet, you still want to cling for dear life unto the very godless philosophy that got us to this point in the first place!? :bang: :bang: You are so dull of hearing that you can't even listen to yourselves!I actually don't disagree much (about what got us here), but you are assuming that you can't be moral without a God-based philosophy. And while that is true within the context of (some) God-based philosophies (which require worship of God to be moral), if we abstract it a bit to ACTING moral, i.e. treating others well, then that doesn't require God or religion. It only requires the appropriate external moral actions, regardless of your inner state or philosophy.

The problem is large numbers have dropped one philosophy only to replace it with nonsense that requires quite different actions. To really compare God-based to non-God-based apples to apples, you need to take one of each that requires more or less the SAME behavior out in the world to be "moral" and see which group holds the standard better. (At this point you should be realizing that there are plenty of so-called God-based philosophies that require all sorts of barbarism and immorality to be "moral" in their own context.)

[ArlJim78]

Just keep in mind one thing -- in fact all you anti-God "righties": The root cause to this nation's chronic illness isn't political. The symptoms to this country's disease are certainly political -- but politics isn't the real problem. The root cause is Spirituality/Morality. All politics finds its ground in morality. All laws find their ground in morality, too.

Human Secularism is largely responsible for where we are today as a nation. Politicians and Judges, over the course of many decades, have all but removed God from public discourse and public policy. But where has that gotten us as a nation? You "Righties" really should listen to yourselves. Day in, day out you complain about this guy lying, or that guy cheating, or about some gross unfairness, or about some injustice, or prejudices, etc., etc., etc. Virtually all your politically-oriented complaints find their roots in issues involving moral values. Yet, you still want to cling for dear life unto the very godless philosophy that got us to this point in the first place!? :bang: :bang: You are so dull of hearing that you can't even listen to yourselves!

Boxcar
We are not going to be able to fix our problems by using the federal government as a vehicle to instill the proper spiritualism and morality in this country. It is not a matter for government to handle.
Cling to your religion and God if that is what gives you strength and direction to live right but, some of us don't require it and don't believe in it. This country is a melting pot of people with a variety of belief systems, and there are millions who do not worship your God or may worship a different God or may choose not to worship any God who do just fine with respect to matters of morality. It is not accurate to claim that it's all who disbelieve in your God as the source of our problems. There are endless examples of lying and cheating and immoral behavior by your beloved God fearing Christians, so excuse me when I say this but get off your high horse.
For a political movement its a roadmap to disaster to put faith and morality as the centerpiece of your program. How does one square it with the idea of limited government?

For this thing to work, if we are to have any hope of defeating the political/ruling class at the ballot box, it's going to take a coalition not centered around faith and morality and spiritualism, but instead on the idea of individual responsibility and smaller government. Many people who are for these concepts do not want to be told how to worship or what to believe in, yet I can't imagine any person of faith not agreeing with those same principles.

[Canadian]

Must tear hcap up to see all those people on the mall and to hear Beck and Palin give speeches that have little or nothing to do with politics.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38891505/ns/politics-more_politics/?Gt1=43001

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[boxcar]

I actually don't disagree much (about what got us here), but you are assuming that you can't be moral without a God-based philosophy. And while that is true within the context of (some) God-based philosophies (which require worship of God to be moral), if we abstract it a bit to ACTING moral, i.e. treating others well, then that doesn't require God or religion. It only requires the appropriate external moral actions, regardless of your inner state or philosophy.

The problem is large numbers have dropped one philosophy only to replace it with nonsense that requires quite different actions. To really compare God-based to non-God-based apples to apples, you need to take one of each that requires more or less the SAME behavior out in the world to be "moral" and see which group holds the standard better. (At this point you should be realizing that there are plenty of so-called God-based philosophies that require all sorts of barbarism and immorality to be "moral" in their own context.)

Any attempt at "morality" (i.e. true spirituality) apart from adherence to the Two Greatest Commandments (according to a guy named Jesus who was always in Jesus mode) will ultimately prove to be fruitless. Actions are only expressions of our inner selves. As Jesus essentially, said (to paraphrase) what a man eats (talking about "actions") is not what defiles him, but what comes out of him defiles him. If our motives are all wrong for performing "good actions", then those actions are still unrighteous.

Moreover, true spirituality or morality requires a standard. In godless Human Secularism the standard is: "If it feels good, do it". "If it feels right to you, do it." "If it seems good to you in your own eyes, do it". Or the rule for living is "life is very complex and filled with more gray areas than black and white, so we don't dare be too dogmatic", etc., etc.

And if you really want to see the difference between unbelievers and believers, "all you need to do" (said somewhat with tongue-in-cheek, since finding a true Christian church isn't easy these days) is find a bible-believing church, attend for awhile, get to know some of the members, and then observe carefully their behavior and I absolutely guarantee you you will see a marked difference between their behavior and the conduct of unbelievers.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

I'm with you on this one, and can't help but think how many people who think it is great Beck invoked religion don't realize that he is Mormon. I can't picture a lot of evangelicals taking a call to faith from a Mormon. For me it would have been better if he didn't make it a religious revival.

Saved me from saying it :ThmbUp:

I don't really care that much that he is a Mormon. I have known some that were fantastic people. I question the Religion a little, but I do that with all Religions.

I do know one thing, I don't fear Christians in just about any form. I can't say that about some others

[PaceAdvantage]

No doubt about that; but the more religion gets inserted into the conversation, the vast left wing conspiracy has more chances to distort, re-define, and frame the narrative as something it is not.Who cares. What they say carries less and less weight with the masses each and every day.

[boxcar]

We are not going to be able to fix our problems by using the federal government as a vehicle to instill the proper spiritualism and morality in this country. It is not a matter for government to handle.
Cling to your religion and God if that is what gives you strength and direction to live right but, some of us don't require it and don't believe in it. This country is a melting pot of people with a variety of belief systems, and there are millions who do not worship your God or may worship a different God or may choose not to worship any God who do just fine with respect to matters of morality. It is not accurate to claim that it's all who disbelieve in your God as the source of our problems. There are endless examples of lying and cheating and immoral behavior by your beloved God fearing Christians, so excuse me when I say this but get off your high horse.
For a political movement its a roadmap to disaster to put faith and morality as the centerpiece of your program. How does one square it with the idea of limited government?

For this thing to work, if we are to have any hope of defeating the political/ruling class at the ballot box, it's going to take a coalition not centered around faith and morality and spiritualism, but instead on the idea of individual responsibility and smaller government. Many people who are for these concepts do not want to be told how to worship or what to believe in, yet I can't imagine any person of faith not agreeing with those same principles.

Again...where has this great "melting pot" of yours gotten us? You say that it's not accurate to claim that unbelievers in this society are the cause of this nation's ills? Really? Then who are? Christians? Someone is at the root of our problems -- but it's not your vaunted "melting pot", which consists mostly of unbelievers? :bang:

And who is talking about co-joining government with religion? My point was and still is simply this: It's not possible to have good government (with high moral values) apart from a majority or at least a very large segment of society subscribing to true religion (i.e. biblical Christianity). It just isn't possible. A bad tree, Jim, cannot bear good fruit! Or again..."a little bit of leaven (evil) leavens the whole loaf." Or, "Can the Ethiopian change his color, or the leopard change its spots? Then you, too, can do good!" (And don't think the prophet Jeremiah wasn't being sarcastic.)

Finally, you said that this isn't about morality, spirituality or faith. It's all about a coalition subscribing to the idea of "individual responsibility" and "smaller government". Really? And yet, this "individual responsibility" has nothing to do with morality or spirituality? This has nothing to do with assuming moral responsibility for our own lives, so that we do not unnecessarily burden others? :bang: :bang: This has nothing to do with erecting large barriers that would make it very difficult for dishonest, crooked, corrupt politicians to pander to one group of the electorate at the expense of others?

As stated often on this forum, the absence of morality in this nation will prove to be its downfall. And this absence is why we're in the political fix we are. Politics doesn't happen in some kind of moral vacuum. Just as other great empires fell due to their corruptness and wickedness, we, too, will fall unless we, as a nation, turn from our sinful ways.

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:Don't eek me...eek Associated Press...they said it:

Neither Beck nor Palin made overtly political comments.

[GameTheory]

Any attempt at "morality" (i.e. true spirituality)Defining morality as true spirituality is your religion talking, and can only be justified with a circular argument that assumes your religion is the way, the truth, and the light.

If our motives are all wrong for performing "good actions", then those actions are still unrighteous.Not to those acted upon. No difference to them. What about all the people with truly noble motives that do nothing but harm with their actions? I'd rather have good behavior from a bad motive than bad behavior period.

Moreover, true spirituality or morality requires a standard. In godless Human Secularism the standard is: "If it feels good, do it". "If it feels right to you, do it." "If it seems good to you in your own eyes, do it". Or the rule for living is "life is very complex and filled with more gray areas than black and white, so we don't dare be too dogmatic", etc., etc.That's a bit of a straw man as religious people like to think that lack of belief in God means lack of absolute standards. It often does, but it does not necessarily follow. And those who don't believe look at those that do and think that they too "just made it all up", i.e. wrote down the moral rules that appealed to them and called it The Word of God.

And if you really want to see the difference between unbelievers and believers, "all you need to do" (said somewhat with tongue-in-cheek, since finding a true Christian church isn't easy these days) is find a bible-believing church, attend for awhile, get to know some of the members, and then observe carefully their behavior and I absolutely guarantee you you will see a marked difference between their behavior and the conduct of unbelievers.That smacks of fanaticism which makes the assumption that all those in a particular group (like a church) are assumed to represent the ideals of the group all the time. But, quoting from someone I don't remember, "A church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints." meaning in a church that is really doing its job, you'll find lots of highly troubled people with lots of questionable behavior (that they hopefully are trying to change), but who are nevertheless there trying to find a better way to live and are accepted with a welcoming spirit instead of condemnation. If all the ones that can't quite tow the line are kicked out (as often happens), then you just end up with a group of smug, self-righteous fanatics sitting around patting each other on the back for their superior piety. There have been countless such groups for thousands of years, and they've all been pretty useless...

[boxcar]

Defining morality as true spirituality is your religion talking, and can only be justified with a circular argument that assumes your religion is the way, the truth, and the light.

Very good. Jesus did say precisely that about himself. Pretty narrow-minded of himself, wasn't it. ;)

Not to those acted upon. No difference to them. What about all the people with truly noble motives that do nothing but harm with their actions?

Like liberals with their socialistic policies? The only problem is that they never recognize or acknowledge the harm they are doing to others. They rationalize the harm away.

I'd rather have good behavior from a bad motive than bad behavior period.

At best that would be a short-lived experience to those being acted upon. Jim, for purely selfish reasons, can help Bob out of a tough situation. And in the short term, Bob would probably think that was really great of Jim. But in the long run, that selfish motivation of Jim's would eventually surface, in which case Bob would find Jim to be not quite the noble guy he seemed at first.


That's a bit of a straw man as religious people like to think that lack of belief in God means lack of absolute standards. It often does, but it does not necessarily follow. And those who don't believe look at those that do and think that they too "just made it all up", i.e. wrote down the moral rules that appealed to them and called it The Word of God.

Tell me who holds to "absolute moral standards" other than religious people? For the most part, the only standard the non-religious adhere to stringently is Moral Relativism. Now, if you want to consider that an "absolute" moral standard, fine.

That smacks of fanaticism which makes the assumption that all those in a particular group (like a church) are assumed to represent the ideals of the group all the time.[/quote]

Being a member of a church has nothing to do about subscribing to the ideals of a group. It has much more to do with subscribing to the commands and principles in God's word, which is why believers assemble together in the first place. It's not about them. It's about their Lord and Savior -- The Head of the church's Body.

But, quoting from someone I don't remember, "A church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints." meaning in a church that is really doing its job, you'll find lots of highly troubled people with lots of questionable behavior (that they hopefully are trying to change), but who are nevertheless there trying to find a better way to live and are accepted with a welcoming spirit instead of condemnation. If all the ones that can't quite tow the line are kicked out (as often happens), then you just end up with a group of smug, self-righteous fanatics sitting around patting each other on the back for their superior piety. There have been countless such groups for thousands of years, and they've all been pretty useless...

A very poor analogy by no doubt a very worldly "wise" man. A church is just a setting whereby like-minded saints congregate to worship their Lord and Savior. For sure...in a bible-believing church, these saints know they are still sinners (and therefore are still "sick" in that sense because they're still tainted with sin) -- but at least they recognize, acknowledge and deal with their human condition through the preaching and teaching of God's word, through personal communion with their Creator through the Holy Spirit he has given to His people, through fellowship with other saints and through their outreach to others.

By the same token, Christ has provided specific instructions on how to deal with ongoing, unrepented sin in a church, which would be a whole other topic. But the last resort is excommunication. The Church is not to tolerate ongoing sin. Very intolerant of Christ. But that's a good thing, for it shows that Jesus did not subscribe to the world's idea of "tolerance". ;)

Boxcar

[Rookies]

I wish they wouldn't make it about a God. that's where i get off the train. Once you start talking about turning to God then it becomes a non-inclusive religious event. A lot of us want big changes in government but we're not turning to god for it.

Even Chris Wallace (to slightly paraphrase) asked Beck on Fox News Sunday: " Who made YOU God ? "

That's what you hear from this born again, paying for my past sins, nutter:
" I am pretty close to the right hand and movin' on up! "

Didn't know he was going blind though. Too bad that.

[boxcar]

I wish they wouldn't make it about a God. that's where i get off the train. Once you start talking about turning to God then it becomes a non-inclusive religious event. A lot of us want big changes in government but we're not turning to god for it.

Even Chris Wallace (to slightly paraphrase) asked Beck on Fox News Sunday: " Who made YOU God ? "

So, in La La Land where Wallace lives, if you talk about God -- if you use the that horrible "G" word -- that somehow makes you God? By what convoluted reasoning? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

Didn't know he was going blind though. Too bad that.Rush is going deaf, Beck is going blind...what's next? Levin goes mute? I bet you can only hope so... :lol:

[Tom]

Maybe people are just tired of having the leftist SOBs going against GOD all the time - like stopping people from putting up a tree or manger at Christmas? Or bottom feeders like Obama covering up for his buddy Rev Wright - the big racist who hates America.

Hey, the left can call it what they like, but they are Godless heathens and it's time to stick it in their faces. Anyone who objected could have stayed home, but a damn lot did not. This was for REAL Americans.

Where is the coverage that racist lying hypocrite Rev Al running a hate-fest down the street?

[Rookies]

Rush is going deaf, Beck is going blind...what's next? Levin goes mute? I bet you can only hope so... :lol:

Well PA, unlike that pseudo Christian disgrace Pat Robertson, I don't throw the opposition under the bus because they "deserved it" for their supposed, moral turpitude.

So, the Jesuits taught me about human kindness.

[Mike at A+]

Rush is going deaf, Beck is going blind...what's next? Levin goes mute? I bet you can only hope so... :lol:
Is there such a thing as a Braille teleprompter in case Obama ever goes blind?

[jballscalls]

Rush is going deaf, Beck is going blind...what's next? Levin goes mute? I bet you can only hope so... :lol:

i've seen you bring up the name Levin before, and i heard his show for literally 2 minutes the other day. sounded similar to other conservative talk programs, but he had a horrible voice to listen to. i mean i couldn't stand the delivery, it wasn't Palin bad, but bad.

is that the same guy?

[TJDave]

like stopping people from putting up a tree or manger at Christmas?

Who did that? Which people?

[boxcar]

Maybe people are just tired of having the leftist SOBs going against GOD all the time - like stopping people from putting up a tree or manger at Christmas? Or bottom feeders like Obama covering up for his buddy Rev Wright - the big racist who hates America.

Hey, the left can call it what they like, but they are Godless heathens and it's time to stick it in their faces. Anyone who objected could have stayed home, but a damn lot did not. This was for REAL Americans.

Where is the coverage that racist lying hypocrite Rev Al running a hate-fest down the street?

Hey, Tom, don't know how to tell you this, but this "godless heathens" stuff is not confined to just the Left. It should only be that simple. ;)

It's what I said weeks ago when I touched a bit on the "inalienable rights" subject. This topic is just as touchy to the godless on the Right as it to the godless on the Left. Trust me on this.

Boxcar

[NJ Stinks]

Excellent article by Charles Krauthammer may give some insights:
"The Last Refuge Of A Liberal"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082605233.html

".....It is a measure of the corruption of liberal thought and the collapse of its self-confidence that, finding itself so widely repudiated, it resorts reflexively to the cheapest race-baiting (in a colorful variety of forms). Indeed, how can one reason with a nation of pitchfork-wielding mobs brimming with "antipathy toward people who aren't like them" -- blacks, Hispanics, gays and Muslims -- a nation that is, as Michelle Obama once put it succinctly, "just downright mean"?

The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama over-read his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them."

Just because a bunch of conservatives/Republicans meet in DC doesn't mean a damn thing. The only hope Krauthammer has in November is the economy no matter how much he tries to sugarcoat it.

[bigmack]

The only hope Krauthammer has in November is the economy no matter how much he tries to sugarcoat it.
Krauthammer, sugarcoat, economy?

The poster child for anti-hope is sitting in the WH and you're babbling about Krauthammer?

More puerile thought from Jersey.

http://images2.cpcache.com/product/sticker-republican-recall/435370132v2_225x225_Front.jpg

[JustRalph]

The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama over-read his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them."

I happen to think that the Dems aren't going to get beaten as badly as some say. But I do think the bold part above is the most accurate thing I have read in months.

[NJ Stinks]

Krauthammer, sugarcoat, economy?

The poster child for anti-hope is sitting in the WH and you're babbling about Krauthammer?

More puerile thought from Jersey.

http://images2.cpcache.com/product/sticker-republican-recall/435370132v2_225x225_Front.jpg

Mack, I used to wonder if you are half as smart as you think you are.

[PaceAdvantage]

i've seen you bring up the name Levin before, and i heard his show for literally 2 minutes the other day. sounded similar to other conservative talk programs, but he had a horrible voice to listen to. i mean i couldn't stand the delivery, it wasn't Palin bad, but bad.

is that the same guy?I love Mark Levin. My favorite. Love his delivery and his dry sense of humor. To each his own.

[JustRalph]

They don't call him "The Great one" for nothing............

he has written some very good books too...... I just read the latest via the Kindle app

[boxcar]

They don't call him "The Great one" for nothing............

he has written some very good books too...... I just read the latest via the Kindle app

:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: He's sharper than a tack and his "Liberty and Tyranny" will become a classic.

Boxcar

[toetoe]

coalitioning




Efforting to transition from independentist knowledging into true transubstantiationing, but it's not quite optimuming. I will respectingly election for coalescing ... :confused: ... :p .

[46zilzal]

Fascism, in the guise of "protecting" the Lilly whites is alive and well around the world with the neo-Nazis in Germany and the English Nationalist Alliance in England.....It is such bulls shit when you go back a few generations and the same idiots who promote this the loudest have the least claim to being the TRUE citizens

[rastajenk]

Efforting to transition from independentist knowledging into true transubstantiationing, but it's not quite optimuming. I will respectingly election for coalescing
Well, spellcheck had a problem with it too, but I soldiered on righteously, my thoughts flowing unhindered by mere rules of usage; actually, they're more guidelines than rules...

[JustRalph]

Fascism, in the guise of "protecting" the Lilly whites is alive and well around the world with the neo-Nazis in Germany and the English Nationalist Alliance in England.....It is such bulls shit when you go back a few generations and the same idiots who promote this the loudest have the least claim to being the TRUE citizens

sometimes you are kind of hard to understand when you get rolling........
did you or did you not just associate all of those who attended the Glenn Beck Rally with Fascists and Neo Nazi's ? Never mind..........

Of course you did............ :bang:

interesting column on the Rally

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30douthat.html?_r=1

[bigmack]

Fascism, in the guise of "protecting" the Lilly whites is alive and well around the world with the neo-Nazis in Germany and the English Nationalist Alliance in England.....It is such bulls shit when you go back a few generations and the same idiots who promote this the loudest have the least claim to being the TRUE citizens
Breathe deep the gathering gloom of your own special brand of elitism. With every subject you further illustrate a tunnel vision so narrow it's hard to believe you're able to see your own reflection in the mirror. Then again, you see so little of your shortcomings (& there are volumes) you must be, and if not, are thought by many, to be thoroughly blind.

[Tom]

Fascism, in the guise of "protecting" the Lilly whites is alive and well around the world with the neo-Nazis in Germany and the English Nationalist Alliance in England.....It is such bulls shit when you go back a few generations and the same idiots who promote this the loudest have the least claim to being the TRUE citizens

Watch out Mumbles, Dick Tracy is looking for you.

[Canadian]

I love Mark Levin. My favorite. Love his delivery and his dry sense of humor. To each his own.


I'm still laughing that you didn't think the rally was political.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[boxcar]

I'm still laughing that you didn't think the rally was political.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Can you offer substantial support for your opinion to the contrary?

Boxcar

[Native Texan III]

As 95% of Americans are already decent upstanding people, with honor, and there are 5%, say with their acolytes without honor who disgrace the ideals of the nation and get all the publicity. What is the effective result of telling the same to attendees of the "Restoring Honor" rally? Are they or anyone else going for the 5% or not? If not, we remain in the same mess.

Mr Beck may have gone to Washington apolitically but is he just like the disappearing school boy voice at the back calling fight! fight! - hoping someone else, anybody else, will actually do the tough bit for him?

Where is a Captain John Parker and his militiamen?

[Canadian]

Can you offer substantial support for your opinion to the contrary?

Boxcar



A politician... or political talking head.... can't have a shit without it being political.

[boxcar]

A politician... or political talking head.... can't have a shit without it being political.

Pretty lame. This is like saying anyone in any career can't think or talk outside their careers. This is weak...even for you. :ThmbDown:

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

As 95% of Americans are already decent upstanding people, with honor, and there are 5%, say with their acolytes without honor who disgrace the ideals of the nation and get all the publicity. What is the effective result of telling the same to attendees of the "Restoring Honor" rally? Are they or anyone else going for the 5% or not? If not, we remain in the same mess.

Roughly 12% of American Males end up in prison. Black men are higher, 18%
2 percent of females. 6% of black females.

Toss in those who are convicted criminally but don't go to prison, and you end up with about 1 out of 4 with a criminal record and in some states and geographic locations it ends up being much higher.

Using that criteria, Roughly 25% of Americans are criminals. You need to bump your numbers up. I am quoting numbers from 2001....who knows what they are now.............I am just saying. 95% of Americans are not decent people with honor.

[Canadian]

Pretty lame. This is like saying anyone in any career can't think or talk outside their careers. This is weak...even for you. :ThmbDown:

Boxcar


No... no it's not. It's a very specific reference to politicians and political talking heads.

A huge rally..... 2 months before midterm elections....... Political? Yes.

[boxcar]

No... no it's not. It's a very specific reference to politicians and political talking heads.

A huge rally..... 2 months before midterm elections....... Political? Yes.

Circumstantial evidence at best. Heck...there were virtually no political signs at that gathering. And none of the speeches waxed particularly political. As I said earlier -- your take is lame.

Boxcar

[Canadian]

Circumstantial evidence at best. Heck...there were virtually no political signs at that gathering. And none of the speeches waxed particularly political. As I said earlier -- your take is lame.

Boxcar


Yes... 2 of the most polarizing political figures decide to show up for a massive rally opposite of an equally polarizing political figure....... two months before very important elections................ Nope... nothing political here............ What was I thinking?

[boxcar]

Yes... 2 of the most polarizing political figures decide to show up for a massive rally opposite of an equally polarizing political figure....... two months before very important elections................ Nope... nothing political here............

I know. It was a conspiracy between opposing political figures. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What was I thinking?

Not to worry. I never accused you of doing any of that.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=197029

[Tom]

............ What was I thinking?


If you can't remember, you probably weren't.

[bigmack]

Not much of a turnout from these 4000 emails. I saw some of the Big Al Fest. The PA system looked like something you might see with a garage band of 16 year olds. After much of what Al said there was a mere smattering of applause. Much like a missed 8' putt for par that finally dropped for a bogey.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/8_30_10_23_11_21.png

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm still laughing that you didn't think the rally was political.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:For the record, I never said I didn't think the rally was political.

What I actually typed was that Beck and Palin did not make any overtly political statements.

But a troll never actually reads what people actually type.

[Canadian]

For the record, I never said I didn't think the rally was political.

What I actually typed was that Beck and Palin did not make any overtly political statements.

But a troll never actually reads what people actually type.


Well... I guess you win on a technicality.

[boxcar]

Well... I guess you win on a technicality.

Some technicality. If they had made political statements, you win. But you still win anyhow (due to mere timing of the event) even when there were virtually no political statements made by speakers or signs or banners. Nice. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Canadian]

Some technicality. If they had made political statements, you win. But you still win anyhow (due to mere timing of the event) even when there were virtually no political statements made by speakers or signs or banners. Nice. :rolleyes:

Boxcar


Read again. I read his post wrong. He wasn't saying it was not political, he was saying there were no political statements.... Technically he is right and never argued it was not a political event...................... But make no mistake....... the rally was political.

[Mike at A+]

Beck's show is great today. He showed clips of Howard Dean calling him a racist and a hate monger and clips and articles from MSNBC and other left wing "media" outlets saying the most disgusting and hateful things about the rally participants. Then he showed actual clips from the rally shooting down every falsehood spewed by the real hate mongers on the left. He then showed photos of the conditions the grounds were left in after the rally and compared them to the disgusting mess left behind by the slobby Obama supporters dressed like thugs at the inauguration. This rally was the start of something big.

[Canadian]

Beck's show is great today. He showed clips of Howard Dean calling him a racist and a hate monger and clips and articles from MSNBC and other left wing "media" outlets saying the most disgusting and hateful things about the rally participants. Then he showed actual clips from the rally shooting down every falsehood spewed by the real hate mongers on the left. He then showed photos of the conditions the grounds were left in after the rally and compared them to the disgusting mess left behind by the slobby Obama supporters dressed like thugs at the inauguration. This rally was the start of something big.


He's entertaining... but man is that dude bat shit crazy. I really think the only reason he became Mormon was because it was the only religion that put Jesus in the United States.... I think that was the appeal to him.

His show is entertaining. He says alot of stuff that may need to be said that is not really said anywhere else... and alot of people may feel.................. but always keep in mind......................... He's crazy..... I'm just sayin'... so in 5, 10 years when they find... I don't know.... 12 dead prositutes in his back yard... you can say.... "I liked what he had to say, but I always knew he was crazy."

[Mike at A+]

He's entertaining... but man is that dude bat shit crazy. I really think the only reason he became Mormon was because it was the only religion that put Jesus in the United States.... I think that was the appeal to him.

His show is entertaining. He says alot of stuff that may need to be said that is not really said anywhere else... and alot of people may feel.................. but always keep in mind......................... He's crazy..... I'm just sayin'... so in 5, 10 years when they find... I don't know.... 12 dead prositutes in his back yard... you can say.... "I liked what he had to say, but I always knew he was crazy."
Actually it appears that you are the crazy one to post something like that. :D

[ElKabong]

Anyone here in their mid 50s or older see this trashing that Beck and Palin are getting, as familiar. It reminds me of the garbage black civil rights leaders took in the mid 1960s for speaking to an audience. An audience that was hungry for a message they felt was right, and they felt the country needed.

Dim left wingers' trashing of Beck this weekend brought back memories of how patheticic white racists were 45-50 yrs ago. "How dare this person speak to a mass of people wanting change and improvement to their counrty"..."Who does HE think he is"....."Damn Teabaggers" (insert toothless redneck racial slur in lieu of t-bagger)

So here we are now, watching msnbc harpooning Beck for excercising his civil rights. Add in the leftys on the board here. Add in Sharpton's angry rhetoric sunday...Something to see, let me tell you. The similarities in hatred and fear are very similar

I'm going to be clear on 2 things...1, i am not a beck fan. I think he's a halfnutcase. But I felt the same way about Jesse Jackson (still do) but they both have the right to speak to an audience in publc that wants to hear their message...2, I AM NOT comparing Beck's rally to a 1960s civil rights movement. It's the fear and hatred I see from their opposition that catches attention.

[bigmack]

Anyone here in their mid 50s or older see this trashing that Beck and Palin are getting, as familiar. It reminds me of the garbage black civil rights leaders took in the mid 1960s for speaking to an audience. An audience that was hungry for a message they felt was right, and they felt the country needed.
Interesting take.

I can't say I disagree with GB being a bit off-kilter. From what I understand he's been through some travails. Broadcasting careers rarely last long with such a cathartic approach. Jack Paar comes to mind.

[Mike at A+]

Interesting take.

I can't say I disagree with GB being a bit off-kilter. From what I understand he's been through some travails. Broadcasting careers rarely last long with such a cathartic approach. Jack Paar comes to mind.
I see your point that Beck is a bit unorthodox (or "off-kilter"). But if Beck gets that tag, so does Biden, Pelosi, Dean, Grayson, Franken, Emmanuel and all of MSNBC.

[Canadian]

I see your point that Beck is a bit unorthodox (or "off-kilter"). But if Beck gets that tag, so does Biden, Pelosi, Dean, Grayson, Franken, Emmanuel and all of MSNBC.

No... most of them are not crazy. I could see Beck trying to assassinate Obama. You're naming blowhards, they're not crazy (well maybe Dean).... Beck..... he's crazy.

[GameTheory]

No... most of them are not crazy. I could see Beck trying to assassinate Obama. You're naming blowhards, they're not crazy (well maybe Dean).... Beck..... he's crazy.That is just pure prejudice talking...there is no reason to think anything along those lines.

[PaceAdvantage]

That is just pure prejudice talking...there is no reason to think anything along those lines.This Canadian fella is not long for these parts. He is getting trollier by the second. Assassinate... :lol: :lol: :lol:

What's next? What outrageous thing can he say next?

[boxcar]

This Canadian fella is not long for these parts. He is getting trollier by the second. Assassinate... :lol: :lol: :lol:

What's next? What outrageous thing can he say next?

He's probably frantically searching DU for new material. Stay tuned.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rev-sharpton-responds-to-blaze-shocking-racism-video/

check out the video............

[johnhannibalsmith]

No... most of them are not crazy. I could see Beck trying to assassinate Obama..... Beck..... he's crazy.

Madman like ramblings about a madman... I love it!

[PaceAdvantage]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rev-sharpton-responds-to-blaze-shocking-racism-video/

check out the video............The far left is once again becoming irrelevant. They have no rebuttal for the video you just linked to. They will simply (on here at least) drive by with a one liner calling Beck wacky or a madman or some other nonsense. They know they can't win the debate on merit.

[rastajenk]

Funny you mention assassinations. While I was watching clips from the event, I thought, man, he (Beck) sure looks vulnerable out there. I can definitely see where an unhinged loony lib is more likely to take a shot at him than a conservative hate-mongering racist would be to take down the President.

[Mike at A+]

No... most of them are not crazy. I could see Beck trying to assassinate Obama. You're naming blowhards, they're not crazy (well maybe Dean).... Beck..... he's crazy.
Not worthy of a reply until you can provide something more concrete than your personal opinion of the man. How about Rosie O'Donnell? Is she "crazy"? Could you see her trying to assassinate Bush? Joy Behar? Keith Olberman? Chris Mathews? Rachel Maddow? Michael Moore? Dan Rather? Barbra Streisand? Sean Penn? SEIU members who have already perpetrated violence? ELF? I could go on forever naming loose cannons on the left. But for you to make such a claim about Glenn Beck tells me one thing and one thing only - you simply don't like the man, the message he's getting across and the millions of Americans for whom that message resonates. He has exposed through thorough research SO MUCH corruption in Obama's circle of friends and contacts and the left has nothing to refute what he's saying except that he's "crazy", he's a racist or he's capable of assassinating Obama. You've proven nothing.

[boxcar]

You've proven nothing.

Yes, he has. He has proven that he's nothing more than an empty barrel that has the dubious value of noise-making.

Boxcar

[Canadian]

Not worthy of a reply until you can provide something more concrete than your personal opinion of the man.

All it is, is my personal opinion.

How about Rosie O'Donnell? Is she "crazy"? Could you see her trying to assassinate Bush?

Yes... she is an absolute raving lunitic. Different then Beck crazy.... at least Glen Beck seems ot be an ok guy.... she's a nasty bitch to boot.... like one of those nasty mares that pins their ears back all the time.

Joy Behar?

No.

Keith Olberman?

Not crazy, just an idiot.

Rachel Maddow?

Keith Olberman in drag.

Dan Rather?

Just a biased journalist.

Sean Penn?

Yeah.. he's probably on his way there. Good actor though.

Michael Moore?

Dishonest yes.... crazy... I don't think so. Well he did seem to go pretty commie in his last movie..... but as much as I disagree with the guy, he always has a point worth considering somewhere in those god awful movies.

But for you to make such a claim about Glenn Beck tells me one thing and one thing only - you simply don't like the man

... No... I like the guy.. He's just nuts... and may one of these days go right off the deep end. I act alot like him when I'm bombed out of my mind drunk.... it's great to rave like that sometimes... I guess... when you're drunk.

[Mike at A+]

No... I like the guy.. He's just nuts... and may one of these days go right off the deep end. I act alot like him when I'm bombed out of my mind drunk.... it's great to rave like that sometimes... I guess... when you're drunk.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you think he's capable of assassinating Obama or simply killing anyone for that matter. What you see as "nuts", I (and many others) simply see as an act. He makes faces, he uses inflection in his voice to stress a point and he has a chalkboard to diagram his research for viewers. Getting from there to killing someone leaves a load of unconnected dots for even someone who may dislike him. I'd be a lot more worried about groups like SEIU, ELF and the many hooligans who proudly carried signs explicitly calling for the assassination of President Bush.

[PaceAdvantage]

This thread has to be lighting up the Echelon (http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm) program at the NSA...way too many keywords put together in one sentence to avoid...

Thanks guys... :rolleyes:

[skate]

COMPLETE NONSENSE!!


Leonard Pitts Jr. "It is obscene. It is theft of legacy. It is robbery of martyr's graves."

This is a moment,'' said Glenn Beck three months ago on his radio program, ``...that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement. It has been so distorted and so turned upside down. . . . We are on the right side of history. We are on the side of individual freedoms and liberties and damn it, we will reclaim the civil rights moment. We will take that movement, because we were the people that did it in the first place!''

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/25/1790858/this-is-who-we-really-is-glenn.html#ixzz0xuVxuJHW


http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/25/1790858/this-is-who-we-really-is-glenn.html


Beck was part of the "we" who founded the civil rights movement!? No. Here's who "we" is.

"We" is Emmett Till, tied to a cotton gin fan in the murky waters of the Tallahatchie River. "We" is Rosa Parks telling the bus driver no. "We" is Diane Nash on a sleepless night waiting for missing Freedom Riders to check in. "We" is Charles Sherrod, husband of Shirley, gingerly testing desegregation compliance in an Albany, Ga., bus station. "We" is a sharecropper making his X on a form held by a white college student from the North. "We" is celebrities like Harry Belafonte, Marlon Brando and Pernell Roberts of Bonanza, lending their names, their wealth and their labor to the cause of freedom.

"We" is Medgar Evers, Michael Schwerner, Jimmie Lee Jackson, James Reeb, Viola Liuzzo, Cynthia Wesley, Andrew Goodman, Denise McNair, James Chaney, Addie Mae Collins and Carole Robertson, shot, beaten and blown to death for that cause.

"We" is Lyndon Johnson, building a legislative coalition of moderate Republicans and Democrats to defeat intransigent Southern Democratic conservatives and enshrine that cause into law.

And "we" is Martin Luther King, giving voice and moral clarity to the cause -- and paying for it with his life.

The we to which Glenn Beck belongs is the we that said no, the we that cried "socialism!" "communism!" "tyranny!" whenever black people and their allies cried freedom.

The fatuous and dishonorable attempt to posit conservatives as the prime engine of civil rights depends for success on the ignorance of the American people... This, then, is to serve notice as Beck and his tea party faithful gather in Lincoln's shadow to claim the mantle of King: Some of us are not ignorant. Some of us remember. Some of us know very well who "we" is.

And, who "we" is not.


COMPLETE NONSENSE!!

[skate]

This Canadian fella is not long for these parts. He is getting trollier by the second. Assassinate... :lol: :lol: :lol:

What's next? What outrageous thing can he say next?


Hey hey hey, now let me think about that, here's a thought i didnt get while listening to Beck.:confused:


Oh my...:eek: