FLX 08-26-10 Trifecta Combinations

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FLX 08-26-10 Trifecta Combinations

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[prolexus]

Can you explain the Trifecta calculations?

It appears you are suggesting $24 per race and you had each $2 Trifecta twice. How did you play them?

A key $2 Trifecta Box would cost $36 or a total of $72 for two.

Please advise.
regards, prolexus

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prolexus: Can you explain the Trifecta calculations?

It appears you are suggesting $24 per race and you had each $2 Trifecta twice. How did you play them?

A key $2 Trifecta Box would cost $36 or a total of $72 for two.

Please advise.
regards, prolexus

Hi, My bets involve my top 4 contenders the top 2 contenders are the key horses. Here is how my bets are structured.
My total bet is $24.00 Each bet has 12 ways at $2.00 each.

[prolexus]

Thx, that's what I thought.

But then, how do you hit the Trifecta twice for the same $24?

kindest regards, prolexus

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prolexus: Thx, that's what I thought.

But then, how do you hit the Trifecta twice for the same $24?

kindest regards, prolexus Today 09:24 AM



When my first and second choice contenders finish first and second and either my 3rd or 4th choice finished 3rd, I win twice. If you look at the stucture file (illustration) you will notice that only my top 2 choices are keyed for 1st position. This means that they have to run first or second in order for me to win.

[DRIVEWAY]

prolexus: Today 09:24 AM



When my first and second choice contenders finish first and second and either my 3rd or 4th choice finished 3rd, I win twice. If you look at the stucture file (illustration) you will notice that only my top 2 choices are keyed for 1st position. This means that they have to run first or second in order for me to win.

It looks like you have 12 unique combinations with one of your keys running first. You have no duplicate combinations with your above wager example.

Remember your first and second choice contenders finish first and second only once. The only way you have two winners is with a dead heat.

If you still see it different please explain further.

Thanks

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DRIVEWAY: It looks like you have 12 unique combinations with one of your keys running first. You have no duplicate combinations with your above wager example.

Remember your first and second choice contenders finish first and second only once. The only way you have two winners is with a dead heat.

If you still see it different please explain further.

Thanks

Let's keep it simple. I will use horses 1,2,3,4 for an example and will use 1 and 2 as my key horses
If 1,2 finish first and 2nd that would be a 1,2 or a 2,1 finish.
I hit the tri (twice)
providing that horses 3 or 4 comes in 3rd.

Now I will list the possible combinations with 1 and 2.
1 WITH 2,3,4 BOXED = $12.00 Bet - 6 COMBINATIONS
2 WITH 1,3,4 BOXED = $12.00 Bet - 6 COMBINATIONS
Total bet = $24.00
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If horse 3 & 4 should win or come in 2nd with my 2 keys (1 & 2) in 1st or 2nd
I will hit the tri (once) if the 3rd horse is one of my contenders.

I hope this simplifies things for you.

[positive4th]

DRIVEWAY: It

Let's keep it simple. I will use horses 1,2,3,4 for an example and will use 1 and 2 as my key horses
If 1,2 finish first and 2nd that would be a 1,2 or a 2,1 finish.
I hit the tri (twice)
providing that horses 3 or 4 comes in 3rd.

Now I will list the possible combinations with 1 and 2.
1 WITH 2,3,4 BOXED = $12.00 Bet - 6 COMBINATIONS
2 WITH 1,3,4 BOXED = $12.00 Bet - 6 COMBINATIONS
Total bet = $24.00
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If horse 3 & 4 should win or come in 2nd with my 2 keys (1 & 2)
I will hit the tri (once).

I hope this simplifies things for you.

Your illustration, though, underscores everyone's original point......... 1 w/ 2,3,4 & 2 w/ 1,3,4 can only hit ONCE, b/c only one of those 2 horses can win. As a previous poster said, there is no other possible way for both of the above tickets to win UNLESS 1 & 2 finish in a dead heat.

But again, as others have said, please let us know if somehow we all missed the same thing.

(I might suggest maybe showing us how you've hit "twice" if indeed it has happened using this structure???) Thanks so much.

[positive4th]

I suppose if you punched those tickets twice you could "win twice", but that would cost $48, and it wouldn't be 2 different set-ups winning, it would just be essentially playing on a $4 base.

Again, please let us know what if anything we are missing.

[positive4th]

prolexus: Today 09:24 AM



When my first and second choice contenders finish first and second and either my 3rd or 4th choice finished 3rd, I win twice (NOPE). If you look at the stucture file (illustration) you will notice that only my top 2 choices are keyed for 1st position. This means that they have to run first or second in order for me to win.

Right, but there's still only 1 way for this to happen, and whichever combo comes in will indeed hit the Trifecta.....................Once.

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positive4th: I suppose if you punched those tickets twice you could "win twice", but that would cost $48, and it wouldn't be 2 different set-ups winning, it would just be essentially playing on a $4 base.

Again, please let us know what if anything we are missing.

I don't think you are realizing that these Key combinations are (boxed).
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Let's keep it simple. I will use horses 1,2,3,4 for an example and will use 1 and 2 as my key horses
If 1,2 finish first and 2nd that would be a 1,2 or a 2,1 finish.
I hit the tri (twice)
providing that horses 3 or 4 comes in 3rd.

Now I will list the possible combinations with 1 and 2.
1 WITH 2,3,4 BOXED = $12.00 Bet - 6 COMBINATIONS
2 WITH 1,3,4 BOXED = $12.00 Bet - 6 COMBINATIONS
Total bet = $24.00
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If horse 3 & 4 should win or come in 2nd with my 2 keys (1 & 2) in 1st or 2nd
I will hit the tri (once) if the 3rd horse is one of my contenders.

[positive4th]

positive4th:

I don't think you are realizing that these Key combinations are (boxed).
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Let's keep it simple. I will use horses 1,2,3,4 for an example and will use 1 and 2 as my key horses
If 1,2 finish first and 2nd that would be a 1,2 or a 2,1 finish.
I hit the tri (twice)
providing that horses 3 or 4 comes in 3rd.

Now I will list the possible combinations with 1 and 2.
1 WITH 2,3,4 BOXED = $12.00 Bet - 6 COMBINATIONS
2 WITH 1,3,4 BOXED = $12.00 Bet - 6 COMBINATIONS
Total bet = $24.00
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If horse 3 & 4 should win or come in 2nd with my 2 keys (1 & 2) in 1st or 2nd
I will hit the tri (once) if the 3rd horse is one of my contenders.

A $2 4 horse Tri Box costs $48, because it's all 4 horses over the other 3 in every order (4x3x2 combos (x the $2 base) = $48)

Your bet, as you have it noted (1 WITH 2,3,4/2,3,4 and 2 WITH 1,3,4/1,3,4) is NOT a box set-up - - - it is a Key Wheel - - - you CANNOT box 4 horses in a Trifecta for $12, no ifs ands or buts about it. There's no way for your bet as it is listed to hit twice, the only way is to play 2 boxes, which on a $2 base would actually run you $96 a pop

[prolexus]

Thx Positive4th.

That is what I was trying to ask and was trying to figure out what I was missing and how he the Trifecta twice for $24.....

[positive4th]

Here's a way to hit it twice (potentially) for $48 w/ 4 contending horses:

1 w/ 2,3,4 w/ 2,3,4 ($2 Key Wheel) = $12

2 w/ 1,3,4 w/ 1,3,4 ($2 Key Wheel) = $12

1,2,3,4 ($1 Tri BOX) = $24

NOW, with that set-up, you will hit the Trifecta for $3 if one of your top 2 wins and the others come in right, and you'll hit for $1 if 3 or 4 wins with the others sliding in underneath in any order.

Hopefully this is clarifying for all.

[DRIVEWAY]

Even Forest Gump would have figured it out by now.

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positive4th: A $2 4 horse Tri Box costs $48, because it's all 4 horses over the other 3 in every order (4x3x2 combos (x the $2 base) = $48)

Your bet, as you have it noted (1 WITH 2,3,4/2,3,4 and 2 WITH 1,3,4/1,3,4) is NOT a box set-up - - - it is a Key Wheel - - - you CANNOT box 4 horses in a Trifecta for $12, no ifs ands or buts about it. There's no way for your bet as it is listed to hit twice, the only way is to play 2 boxes, which on a $2 base would actually run you $96 a pop

Look, I'm not here to argue with you but You can key one horse to 3 others and reverse them and put you key horse in 2nd position.. This is a $12.00 bet.
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EX. 1/2,3,4/2,3,4 and 2,3,4/1/2,3,4 = $12,00
EX. 2/1,3,4/1,3,4 and 1,3,4/2/1,3,4 = $12.00

You call it a "Key Wheel"
I call it a "Key Box"

Possibly we have different terminology.

[positive4th]

Even Forest Gump would have figured it out by now.


Hopefully........my main concern is that we don't try to sell people on a system or tout extraordinary results without being honest about ticket construction.

Structure of the wager is every bit as important as handicapping, and much like handicapping, there are no real short cuts to getting it done.

[positive4th]

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EX. 1/2,3,4/2,3,4 and 2,3,4/1/2,3,4 = $12,00
EX. 2/1,3,4/1,3,4 and 1,3,4/2/1,3,4 = $12.00



Yes, that set-up can hit the Tri twice (on a $1 base) for $24...............b/c it has 1 and 2 each keyed in the top 2 spots, but that's not what your first example had

[positive4th]

Yes, that set-up can hit the Tri twice (on a $1 base) for $24...............b/c it has 1 and 2 each keyed in the top 2 spots, but that's not what your first example had

that's actually a pretty good setup, just took awhile to get the actual structure out there.

[positive4th]

and as evidence that I believe it, I'll go ahead and use it on R2 at DMR.........

:1: / :3: :4: :8: / :3: :4: :8: = $12 ($2 base)

:3: :4: :8: / :1: / :3: :4: :8: = $12 ($2 base)

:3: / :1: :4: :8: / :1: :4: :8: = $6 ($1 base)

:1: :4: :8: / :3: / :1: :4: :8: = $6 ($1 base)

I altered it slightly to emphasize the :1: horse, so its $36 as it stands

[prolexus]

Aaahhhh,

Twice on a $1 base!!

But the results posted and profit demonstrate the Trifecta twice on a $2 base for $24 which is what created the string of postings and questions.

Therefore, the posted results for Finger Lakes need to be reworked.....

I think we have cleared up the confusion...(hopefully)

[positive4th]

and as evidence that I believe it, I'll go ahead and use it on R2 at DMR.........

:1: / :3: :4: :8: / :3: :4: :8: = $12 ($2 base)

:3: :4: :8: / :1: / :3: :4: :8: = $12 ($2 base)

:3: / :1: :4: :8: / :1: :4: :8: = $6 ($1 base)

:1: :4: :8: / :3: / :1: :4: :8: = $6 ($1 base)

I altered it slightly to emphasize the :1: horse, so its $36 as it stands

so here we go..........if the :1: & :3: finish 1st 2nd in either order AND the :4: or :8: finish 3rd, it wins "twice" for a total of $3 times whatever the Tri pays.

[positive4th]

so here we go..........if the :1: & :3: finish 1st 2nd in either order AND the :4: or :8: finish 3rd, it wins "twice" for $3 times whatever the Tri pays.

If I were to throw in a true Tri Box for $24, then I'd have a bunch more combos, but this isn't a good race to be doing that.

I'm already in for $36 just to illustrate the set- up :) :) :)

[positive4th]

so my example is a -36 as both of my keys missed :)

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Positive4th:
Yes, that set-up can hit the Tri twice (on a $1 base) for $24...............b/c it has 1 and 2 each keyed in the top 2 spots, but that's not what your first example had



I have to admit that I had the wrong base bet but my first example was meant to express keying my 1 and 2 horse and then reversing them in 2nd position to the remaining contenders. So I apologize to all for the confusion.
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It was an honest mistake on my part and thank you for the correction.
I am attaching summarized results file from todays Saratoga. I corrected the payouts according to the base bet of $ 1.00

[positive4th]

I have to admit that I had the wrong base bet but my first example is was meant to express keying my 1 and 2 horse and then reversing them in 2nd position to the remaining contenders. So I apologize to all for the confusion.
I never meant to be dishonest.it was an honest mistake on my part and thank you for the correction.
I am attaching summarized results file from todays Saratoga. I corrected the payouts according to the base bet of $ 1.00

Cool man, BOL.............I like the structure, actually, thanks for sharing it

[positive4th]

I have to admit that I had the wrong base bet but my first example was meant to express keying my 1 and 2 horse and then reversing them in 2nd position to the remaining contenders. So I apologize to all for the confusion.
.
It was an honest mistake on my part and thank you for the correction.
I am attaching summarized results file from todays Saratoga. I corrected the payouts according to the base bet of $ 1.00

Nice hit in SAR R6...............I'm interested to see it carry out over a length of time, but it more than held its own today

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Positive4th: Nice hit in SAR R6...............I'm interested to see it carry out over a length of time, but it more than held its own today

Thanks, I've never been much of an exotics player. My strength is with PaceAppraiser betting to win.
After many years of win betting, I thought I would venture into new territory.

I recently purchased the Zambuto software which seems to have an infinity
for the exotic bets. I did find that that the top 2 horses are very strong if you use the correct criteria file which has to be developed and tweaked within the accumulated database of specific tracks that must be maintained within the program.
I believe a 2 horse exacta box would prove out and show an ongoing profit.

I was contemplating the super and might test a betting method for them.
So far it seems like a single key to the top 2 contenders.

I'll keep in touch and let you know how I made out.