"I watched too many movies," "I don't want any mushes betting on him" said Asmussen

[andymays]

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"I watched too many movies," the trainer joked about the price. "I don't want any mushes betting on him, if you know what I mean. I know a couple of people who can keep Secretariat a maiden with $2."


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YouTube - Eddie Mush------------- Anyone remember Cryptonite?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulWjFfLsL0


YouTube - Put Him In The Bathroom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQpFbfaILzY

[racko]

Bronx Tale great movie..... yes there are Mushes

[GaryG]

Only 11?

[only11]

Only 11?
Gary always there to throw a cheap shot.... :(

[BlueShoe]

... yes there are Mushes
Sure there are, one has been following me around for years. Now, if only I could figure out who he is, I might be able to get rid of him------.

[Dave Schwartz]

I think there are people who will find a way to lose in the long run.

I do not believe there are people whose selections will have an impact on the outcome of the race

[Vinnie]

Bronx Tale great movie..... yes there are Mushes

Classic Movie! When the guys are at the track and they determine that Mush has money on the same horse as theirs, they tear up and throw out their own tickets before the race is even concluded. Awesome Stuff!! :)

[eastie]

if you could get a hoss home with Carlo "The black cloud of Calcutta " on it too it would be a miracle. That goes for "Bad Luck Gino" and Maiona the Jonah too.

[Grits]

Men can be silly, they so often think a woman can bring them luck. Or just the opposite one can cause them to lose. I've never had men bring me luck--other fine things, yes, but not luck. Luck is in one's mind.

I was, once, though, determined to have caused a man's "losing BC day." I guess I was his mush. He was a good handicapper; better than me. But his dominant skill and my pooling of any more of my money on tickets with him went to hell when I told him, "put Domedriver on the tickets."

The race went off . . . . we all know how it ended. He paid WHAT?

I left him standing there in the middle of Keeneland's second floor not giving a tinker's damn what he was holding, or whether he cashed the rest of the day or not.:lol:

Lesson learned that day:

When men don't listen to this Southerner . . . . walk.:lol::lol: :lol:

[Gallop58]

William H. Macy in The Cooler. Always liked that movie. Good thing he stuck to the casinos.

(Or was it Maria Bello that did it for me :ThmbUp: )

[macdiarmida]

Or the guy who was a cooler in the Spanish movie "Contacto".

Our local Joe Btfsplk gave the impression he was the curse. Yeah, if he had "your" horse, you'd better change your ticket. He even had great accuracy: if he bet only to win, the horse could still finish 2nd to fill out your exacta. But following his picks showed he always bet a two-time winning fave the third race when the horse was going to go south. Or he would find a horse that looked really good at first glance but actually had a big hole in his form (bad/inconsistent work tab, dropping a ton when the trainer was lousy with horses dropping, stretching out when the trainer was near 0% with distance horses, etc.) He also never bet anything over like 4-1 even if he really liked a 8-1. Of course, the unbet 8-1 would win like a champ.

His abilities (or bizarro-world abilities) extended to football, too. Uncanny.

Lost touch with they guy, but if I saw him today, I'd buy him a lunch for the education he gave me on what not to bet. I wouldn't say that to his face, obviously. And he'd probably spill his beer on me anyway.

[Dave Schwartz]

This idea of the "cooler," I find to be ridiculous. At least I find it ridiculous intellectually.

A story - (two in one thread? Unheard of!)


The year is 1978 and my BJ career has come and gone. So has the money. I am living at Tahoe and begin to think how some people just find a way to lose. (Watching other players for hours at a time as a dealer will make you notice things like that.)

I get this bright idea that I could profit from this if I could just find a way to consistently bet against such a player. That is when Dave's Handy-Dandy Opponent Craps System was invented.

What I did was arm myself with some cash (about $300 as I recall) and went cruising around South Shore to find a "target." Eventually, I found one at Harrah's.

He looked perfect! He had been drinking quite a bit and seemed to have more money than brains. He was betting the pass line with single odds for about $50 to $100 per roll. He would also make a come bet on every roll (with single odds).

I decided that for every $25 he wagered I would wager $1, which was the minimum. Of course, when he wagered pass or come, I would wager don't pass or don't come to be opposite from him. Just to be safe, I went to the other end of the table.

I was reasonably sure it would piss a player off seeing some $2 player winning money on precisely the bets he was losing and that steps would be taken to remove me if management noticed.


The first few hands were just too easy. He would load up a pass $50 line bet with odds and about 3 come bets with odds just in time for a 7-out so that I could win every bet. Occasionally, he'd win a bet at which point he would immediately bet it all back (i.e. win for $50, bet $100). When he bet the $100 I'd bet my $8.

The entire process was working pretty well and almost instantly I was up about $125. I remember thinking that maybe I had stumbled upon a sure-fire way to supplement my income.


Then he caught a pretty good hand and I was quickly well-extended. Remember that when things go good for him they go bad for me. While he is escalating from Harrah's money I was doing it from my own. The profit was instantly wiped out and I was in half of my starting bankroll.

But, to quote Forest's mother, "Stupid is as stupid does." True to expected form, he pressed too hard and began taking double odds, which, of course, caused me to lay double odds. In other words, he lost the money back far faster than he had won it and when the dice 7'd-out I found that almost all of my $125 profit was intact.

I played this way for about an hour and was about $400 ahead when another hand began. There he was, spread across all the numbers with come bets and single odds. Metaphorically speaking, I was licking my chops because I just knew what was coming.

But I was wrong! Every time a number came up and he won a bet for the second time), he removed all his money from the come line and placed it on the don't come! He was switching sides in the middle of a hand!

Now, follow me here. He had a $50 come bet with $50 odds on (say) the five. When he wins, he bets back $100 and takes $100 odds on (say) the four. If he wins that bet, he now has $500 in the come which he now moves to the don't come. If (say) a nine is rolled, his $500 moves behind the nine and he lays $600 "against" odds.

So, follow my play here for a moment. I bet $2 and then layed $3 odds behind the five. When I lost (now down $5), I now have to bet $4 on the come, my money moves behind the four where I lay $8. When the four comes up again, he gets a big payoff and I lose $12, making my total loss $17. Then I make a $20 pass line bet that goes on the nine and I take $20 odds.

As you can imagine, I very quickly have the numbers full. The problem is that the layout is jam-packed with [i]my money rather than the house's!

Nevertheless, I am encouraged. Just a couple of numbers and I will be just fine.

I get my couple of numbers. The only problem is that he is doubling each of his don't side bets as they lose. So, when a 4 rolls (and I am collecting $20-with-$20= $60 profit) he is betting back the table limit of $1,000 on the don't. And now he is taking double odds.

So, I am now wagering a $40 come bet and $80 odds. Again, I find myself extended.

This is when the true loser showed through in my target. I was just incredulous when I heard him say to the dealer, "Take all my bets down and put up a place bet on the front side."

What? Doesn't he understand that he has the best of it on the backside? I mean, go ahead and take the odds down if you want; even place each number for the same amount as your bet! At least you win the "premium," (which is what we used to call the excess payoff in craps school).

That was when I realized that I was trapped. The best I could do was to take my odds down. So, here I am, with almost $300 spread across the numbers. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind what the next roll was going to be.

Seriously, I actually thought for a moment of making some gigantic bet on "any seven." What stopped me was that if I lost, I would be acting just like him.

And seven out it was. The very next, oh so predictable, etched in granite, only possible roll that could happen, SEVEN.


At this point, I decided that my experiment was completed. I'd searched for an idiot/loser and found one. I'd taken a stand against him every step of the way, trusting that in the end he would find a way to defeat himself. He had not let me down.

I walked away with a couple hundred dollars profit and decided to try it again real soon.

BTW, I played that game three more times and won each time but none was more thrilling than that one.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

[thespaah]

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"I watched too many movies," the trainer joked about the price. "I don't want any mushes betting on him, if you know what I mean. I know a couple of people who can keep Secretariat a maiden with $2."


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YouTube - Eddie Mush------------- Anyone remember Cryptonite?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ulWjFfLsL0


YouTube - Put Him In The Bathroom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQpFbfaILzY
Great flick..I have experienced the kiss of death guy as well.
There was a guy that I used ot see at the Meadowlands. COnstantly bitching moaning. Always going up to total strangers and offering them "advice" and telling people he got a tip on a horse...I grew to despise this guy because he would broadcast to anyone who would listen which horse he bet on. Of course this guy was a habitual loser. It got to the point if I saw him , I'd move to another area of the track