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cpitt84
08-13-2010, 09:20 PM
"Star milers Goldikova and Paco Boy lock horns again on Sunday at Deauville, in what promises to be a thrilling Prix Jacques Le Marois. The outstanding Goldikova will be looking for a record-breaking eleventh Group 1 success on Sunday, having equalled the record with a bloodless win in the Prix Rothschild last month. Paco Boy came within a neck of the Freddie Head-trained mare in the Queen Anne, and is one of the only milers in the world capable of challenging her. 2000 Guineas winner Makfi cant't be discounted as he attempts to bounce back from a poor run at Royal Ascot, and Fuisse has looked capable of making his mark in Group 1 Company this year, but both will have their work cut out against Goldikova and Paco Boy."
http://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/features/timeform-weekend-preview-group-race-action-at-newbury-a-130810.html
Rematch against Paco Boy this Sunday..should be a good one!
Anyone watching it?
This mare is most likely running the last of her races...too bad because she's a good one.
Charlie D
08-13-2010, 09:38 PM
Rematch against Paco Boy this Sunday..should be a good one!
You do know this will be the third time these horses have met and the score is 2-0 to Goldikova.
tucker6
08-13-2010, 09:43 PM
Strange that good horses would enter the same race. One might lose for all we know. The Europeans are taking a novel approach it appears. Let's hope it acts like a cold and catches on here in the Sates.
cpitt84
08-13-2010, 09:43 PM
You do know this will be the third time these horses have met and the score is 2-0 to Goldikova.
Interesting...
I can't see her losing this one and I enjoy watching this cute, small mare race!
Charlie D
08-13-2010, 09:48 PM
Goldi beat Paco in Moulin in 08 by 1.5, Paco DQed as they found a banned substance in sample.
OntheRail
08-13-2010, 10:33 PM
"Star milers Goldikova and Paco Boy lock horns again on Sunday at Deauville, in what promises to be a thrilling Prix Jacques Le Marois. The outstanding Goldikova will be looking for a record-breaking eleventh Group 1 success on Sunday, having equalled the record with a bloodless win in the Prix Rothschild last month. Paco Boy came within a neck of the Freddie Head-trained mare in the Queen Anne, and is one of the only milers in the world capable of challenging her. 2000 Guineas winner Makfi cant't be discounted as he attempts to bounce back from a poor run at Royal Ascot, and Fuisse has looked capable of making his mark in Group 1 Company this year, but both will have their work cut out against Goldikova and Paco Boy."
http://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/features/timeform-weekend-preview-group-race-action-at-newbury-a-130810.html
Rematch against Paco Boy this Sunday..should be a good one!
Anyone watching it?
This mare is most likely running the last of her races...too bad because she's a good one.
I bet she TRAVELS to the BC AGAIN and WINS number 3. ;)
Charlie D
08-13-2010, 10:40 PM
Not sure you'll collect that bet Ontherail as trainer gave impression travelling was not in her future on tv other day, but you never know.
Maybe we could talk connections into having a crack at Classic for her last one :)
sonnyp
08-13-2010, 10:56 PM
Not sure you'll collect that bet Ontherail as trainer gave impression travelling was not in her future on tv other day, but you never know.
Maybe we could talk connections into having a crack at Classic for her last one :)
lets see...ship halfway around the world, on dirt, 1 1/4 against the boys ? really ??
we've got a mare in this country who won't run in anything but glorified workouts held in the state of california.
don't think so.
Charlie D
08-13-2010, 11:01 PM
Shipped half way round world to race on turf x2 so why not. She is in a no lose situation as you can just blame surface like Jess Jackson did with Curlin
If your not in it, you can't win it.
And i think Goldikova's campaign shows what a bunch of tossers the owers of Zenyatta are.
sonnyp
08-13-2010, 11:04 PM
Shipped half way round world to race on turf x2 so why not. She is in a no lose situation as you can just blame surface like Jess Jackson did with Curlin
If your not in it, you can't win it.
don't want to debate, .....2 chances of her going in the classic....slim and none. why would she. jmho
her situation is nothing like zenyatta. goldi has taken all reasonable challenges and prevailed.
Charlie D
08-13-2010, 11:17 PM
Aye,she has, would like to see how she'd run over 10f on Dirt though before she took a well deserved retirement.
sonnyp
08-13-2010, 11:24 PM
Aye,she has, would like to see how she'd run over 10f on Dirt though before she took a well deserved retirement.
not really. she's wonderful at what she does. i certainly don't care if she can go 10 F on the dirt especially as her farewell. im pretty sure her owners don't care either. it's certainly not going to be a factor in which stallion she is going to, so why ?
csperberg
08-13-2010, 11:28 PM
man you got to love she just ran in a group 1 on the 1st, now she is running again on the 15th and this is will be her 4th group 1 in 85 days and 3 of them will have been against males too this year alone.
seriously what is not to love about her? you can find reasons to knock zenyatta and rachel but this girl is hard to find a single reason to knock anything she has done. Her connections are great on top of it:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
she will be at churchill barring an injury, even a loss sunday wont stop her from collecting her 3rd BC this year that was their goal and they are sticking to it
Charlie D
08-13-2010, 11:35 PM
Sonny
I'm a racing fan first and i want to see the Goldikova's type horse taking on the WORLD, not just their buddies from next door.
sonnyp
08-13-2010, 11:42 PM
Sonny
I'm a racing fan first and i want to see the Goldikova's type horse taking on the WORLD, not just their buddies from next door.
yes charlie, but you must be reasonable. how would you expect a 100 M female olympian (as great an athlete as she may be) to race in the 1 mile for men ?
come on now. its my opinion and you have a right to yours.
Charlie D
08-13-2010, 11:47 PM
What are you talking about. You have obviously not looked at her PP
She has one more panel to get, not 7
The horse she beat in D'Ispahan is 2nd fav (behind Rip Van winkle) for the International at York over 10+ panels.
Charlie D
08-14-2010, 12:02 AM
Here's one i'd forggoten about.
Chantilly , Prix Diane, distance 10.5f,88yds, beaten 4.5 lengths by Arc winner Zarkava.
Charlie D
08-15-2010, 09:38 AM
Had a litle bet on Paco to win and a Goldi/Paco box
Hopefully this will be as thrilling as thier last race.
Charlie D
08-15-2010, 09:46 AM
Well, visual impression is of a very good performance by English 2000 winner and Goldki, Paco score is now 3-0 :)
depalma113
08-15-2010, 09:49 AM
Goldikova beaten
PhantomOnTour
08-15-2010, 10:39 AM
Up late last night...missed it all this morning...what happened?
(PS-come on you Gunners...kickoff in 20mins vs Liverpool)
Charlie D
08-15-2010, 10:42 AM
Race replay (French commentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xsfz1A3qDc
KingChas
08-15-2010, 11:00 AM
http://www.racingbase.com/category/Racing-News/Goldikova-stunned-by-Prix-Jacques-Le-Marois-Makfi-defeat-201008150039/
"As a result, Goldikova was eased to 6/4 for the Breeders’ Cup Mile, though Charlie McCann at Stan James did explain: "We believe the very soft ground was largely to blame for her defeat at Deauville this afternoon but have eased her to 6/4 for her hat-trick bid in the Breeders' Cup Mile.""
The connections are blaming the surface for this loss? ;)
OTM Al
08-15-2010, 11:02 AM
Was thinking after his last out that Makfi had been a bit of a fluke in the Guineas. Don't think so now. There is some strong group of milers over there right now.
She lost last year before winning the BC, IIRC.
But even at her best, I don't think she reels in Sidney's Candy yesterday. Yet I can't foresee Churchill's turf course being as fast and firm as Del Mar's was yesterday.
Should be interesting!
cpitt84
08-15-2010, 02:52 PM
wow, didn't expect that at all. Disappointing!
WinterTriangle
08-15-2010, 03:26 PM
Here's one i'd forggoten about.
Chantilly , Prix Diane, distance 10.5f,88yds, beaten 4.5 lengths by Arc winner Zarkava.
Actually, I think Zarkava beat her twice, once in the Prix Diane and once in the French One Thousand Guineas?
Always thought it both fitting, but eerily uncanny as well, that Miesque's jockey trains Goldi. Some of my favorite horses in the world are those Irish-breds.....when they are good they are good!
(As for the Prix Diane, that Aga Khan/Alain de Royer-Dupre combo (with Soumillion or Lemaire riding) has proved a rather *lethal* force. Aga Khan may come close to Henry Jennings record, which was back in the 1800's. Won it again with Sarafina this year.)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Jennings_(racehorse_trainer)&action=edit&redlink=1)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_de_Royer-Dupr%C3%A9)
OTM Al
08-15-2010, 03:27 PM
Not really. The best horses lose from time to time because they run in the best races. It's not like she got beat by a bad horse. Fully expect her to get him if she faces him again though.
There is no doubt that the very soft ground cost her. Maakfi is a specialist on it, there is no way that horse would beat her on a good or firm race course. Unless it pisses down in Churchill, this won't impact her chances of winning a third Mile. Imagine that, Goldi and Zenyatta sharing 6 breeders cup wins between them ... transatlantic girl power indeed.
thorobasePA
08-15-2010, 04:34 PM
Mafki shouldn't be underestimated too much. He raced on Good-to-Firm in the 2000 Guineas and gave an honest beating to both Dick Turpin and Canford Cliffs, both of whom have since given multiple outstanding performances. He was reported sick after his very disappointing run at Royal Ascot.
He's a very inexperienced horse but the video of today's race shows he won the race quite snugly against 2 top milers and the well-regarded Fuisse was miles back in 4th. While Goldikova is rightly regarded as a champion, the 3yo mile division in Europe is looking rather special this year.
Either way, it's nice to see the best racing the best regularly.
classhandicapper
08-15-2010, 08:30 PM
It's a shame she got beat, but she'll have an opportunity for vindication in the BC Mile.
only11
08-15-2010, 08:35 PM
It's a shame she got beat, but she'll have an opportunity for vindication in the BC Mile.
Lure the great turf horse couldnt accomplish the feat,i dont see it happening for her..
Lure the great turf horse couldnt accomplish the feat,i dont see it happening for her..
Lure may have if he hadn't drawn the 14 post.
only11
08-15-2010, 08:39 PM
Lure may have if he hadn't drawn the 14 post.
Your right hes was parked wide and never did any running BTW who won the race quick trivia?
OTM Al
08-15-2010, 08:45 PM
It's a shame she got beat, but she'll have an opportunity for vindication in the BC Mile.
She'll have a chance well before that to go against this sort again. And why is it a shame she lost? It means she's racing the best and running even when the ground is not her best. All great horses lose. Otherwise they are not testing their greatness. Secretariat lost four times. Citation lost thirteen times. I think both were pretty good.
only11
08-15-2010, 08:46 PM
Barathea.
Who did Lure dead heat in the wood quickly?
PaceAdvantage
08-15-2010, 08:47 PM
Devil His Due in the GOTHAM
statik27
08-15-2010, 08:48 PM
devil his due. Great race
only11
08-15-2010, 08:49 PM
Devil His Due
The only horse ever to run in a BC sprint then went on to win the BC classic?
PaceAdvantage
08-15-2010, 08:49 PM
The only horse ever to run in a BC sprint then went on to win the BC classic?Stop messing up this thread on Goldikova with your half-wrong questions.
only11
08-15-2010, 08:50 PM
Stop messing up this thread on Goldikova...
mY BAD..
keithw84
08-15-2010, 09:13 PM
http://drf.com/news/makfi-takes-advantage-soft-ground-upset-goldikova:
"Magnanimous in defeat, trainer Freddy Head offered no excuses for her defeat, not even the ground."
Very classy of Head... wish more connections were like this.
cpitt84
08-15-2010, 09:14 PM
[QUOTE=OTM Al]She'll have a chance well before that to go against this sort again. And why is it a shame she lost? It means she's racing the best and running even when the ground is not her best. All great horses lose. Otherwise they are not testing their greatness. Secretariat lost four times. [QUOTE]
I can think of one horse that hasn't. ;)
tucker6
08-15-2010, 09:18 PM
[QUOTE=OTM Al]She'll have a chance well before that to go against this sort again. And why is it a shame she lost? It means she's racing the best and running even when the ground is not her best. All great horses lose. Otherwise they are not testing their greatness. Secretariat lost four times. [QUOTE]
I can think of one horse that hasn't. ;)you mean two.
Does anyone NOT think Goldikova is and has been the best female in training the last two years. She's a beast.
cpitt84
08-15-2010, 09:29 PM
[QUOTE=cpitt84][QUOTE=OTM Al]She'll have a chance well before that to go against this sort again. And why is it a shame she lost? It means she's racing the best and running even when the ground is not her best. All great horses lose. Otherwise they are not testing their greatness. Secretariat lost four times. you mean two.
Does anyone NOT think Goldikova is and has been the best female in training the last two years. She's a beast.
I was speaking about horses running in 2010.
goldikova has definitely run great races, and many against males, so I would have to agree with you.
Too bad she lost today.
Jasonm921
08-15-2010, 10:48 PM
Who did Lure dead heat in the wood quickly?
I have a pic of this race on my site. But as far as goldikova goes...you race the best...it is possible that you will lose. Their is no shame in that.
Jasonm921
08-16-2010, 07:52 AM
Who did Lure dead heat in the wood quickly?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/easygoer/2293959728/ Here is that photo.
Humph
08-16-2010, 08:39 AM
For what it's worth , I was ready to write off this year's 2000 Guineas as being not the greatest renewal , probably becauce the race wasn't won by Coolmore , one of the Maktoums or Khalid Abdullah , but the race seems to be working out very well - this , even if the conditions did play a significant part , which we can not say for sure just yet , was another win for the 3-Y-O Euro milers against their elders.
OntheRail
08-16-2010, 11:35 AM
I can think of one horse that hasn't. ;)
goldikova has definitely run great races, and many against males, so I would have to agree with you.
Too bad she lost today.
And even though she had... did it lower my opinion of her?
NO!
Do I have respect for her connections for putting her in this spot?
YES!
Could the connections of the one your eluding to learn something from them...?
Most would hope.... but history says nope. ;)
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