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[skate]

i've not noticed a copy of your GDPs

Where do you get your fig.?

They are incorrect, but thanks for trying.:)

[skate]

United StatesUSA
From the years
2008=.04
2007=2.0GDP
2006=2.9GDP
05=3.2
04=3.9
03=2.5
02=1.6
01=0.8

[mostpost]

United StatesUSA
From the years
2008=.04
2007=2.0GDP
2006=2.9GDP
05=3.2
04=3.9
03=2.5
02=1.6
01=0.8
My figures come from here:
http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=1&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Freq=Year&FirstYear=2001&LastYear=2009&3Place=N&Update=Update&JavaBox=no

2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Gross domestic product 1.1 1.8 2.5 3.6 3.1 2.7
1.9 0.0

It's a lot easier to see if you just go to the link. There are differences in our numbers and I don't know why. Mine came from the Bureau of Economic analysis. Where did yours come from? Regardless of that, even your numbers show growth of less than 2% in 2001, 2002 and 2008 with 2% growth in 2007.
To me that is four out of eight years.

[hcap]

United StatesUSA
From the years
2008=.04
2007=2.0GDP
2006=2.9GDP
05=3.2
04=3.9
03=2.5
02=1.6
01=0.8
skate provide a link. And no I don't mean your missing link.
Although that would explain quite a bit about you. And maybe Tom

[Tom]

Slow day at the collective?

[hcap]

Kibbutzim worked quite well in Israel.
Socialism has it's moments.

Then there are the communal "company towns" of the old Sixteen Tons song. You remember coal mining, black lung, 12 year colds working in the mines. Buying your groceries at the company store. Then there were the meatpacking plants of "The Jungle". Sort of communal too. Get to eat your fellow workers fingers in the company canned beef.

Real cozy

[Tom]

Thing is, hcap, WE have progressed from those days.

[hcap]

Yes unions. Regulations. Social conscience. Social justice.
Collective societies correct. Free for all mythical invisible hands only do efficiency fairly well but fare poorly with human mistreatment.

[Robert Goren]

Thing is, hcap, WE have progressed from those days.Only because of government action. Those things still happen in places where the government doesn't stop it.

[JustRalph]

there are two sets of these numbers.......the original and then the adjusted ones that come out a few months later....... could be you guys are using both.......

It doesn't matter...... GDP sucks right now.......and it's a bunch of peoples fault

amazing that this guy was right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_sucking_sound)

[bigmack]

Yes unions. Regulations. Social conscience. Social justice.
Collective societies correct. Free for all mythical invisible hands only do efficiency fairly well but fare poorly with human mistreatment.
How'd ya think you and your comrade were able to find manufacturing costs, WITH shipping, to be 1/3 of anything domestically?

Not exactly an Asian eye-opener. :eek:

[skate]

My figures come from here:
http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=1&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Freq=Year&FirstYear=2001&LastYear=2009&3Place=N&Update=Update&JavaBox=no



It's a lot easier to see if you just go to the link. There are differences in our numbers and I don't know why. Mine came from the Bureau of Economic analysis. Where did yours come from? Regardless of that, even your numbers show growth of less than 2% in 2001, 2002 and 2008 with 2% growth in 2007.
To me that is four out of eight years.

Ok, im going to look into the GDP figs, but let me say this about looking at the "q" figs and the yearly figs are quite different.

If a player says "i had a profit this year of $10,000", but you refute the profit by saying he had a losing day in week one and week 21 he lost twice (and so on) you are not viewing his profit correctly nor the GDP correctly if you bring into play a lost "Q" or even 5 or 6 lost "Q", you should look at the whole TERM.

[skate]

Also, please, least we forget, this is brought up Many Many times here, FishBellie had a fine second term, with the-Nut-Knute in control of congress, while UncleGeorge went south under the penology-nut-pelosi.


Uncle George had almost (gotta watch my figures, now) $800 Billion more in taxes collected under his term, than did fishBellie.


Should be Considered, when taking an overal picture. Faults, sure, but who-do the Figures the-bestess?

[mostpost]

Ok, im going to look into the GDP figs, but let me say this about looking at the "q" figs and the yearly figs are quite different.

If a player says "i had a profit this year of $10,000", but you refute the profit by saying he had a losing day in week one and week 21 he lost twice (and so on) you are not viewing his profit correctly nor the GDP correctly if you bring into play a lost "Q" or even 5 or 6 lost "Q", you should look at the whole TERM.
At the end of 2008 GDP was $14,222.3B. In 2000 it was $9708.4. Thus GDP grew by $4513.9B or 46.49% during GW Bush's term.

Again, in 2000 GDP was $9708.4B. It was $6240.6% in 1992. A growth of $3467.8B or 55.57% during the Clinton years. Clearly there was more growth during the Clinton years.
These figures are from:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/hist.html
Table 10.2

[ElKabong]

From a Supply Chain POV, obamanonics has hurt quite a bit. Lead times on parts we buy and manage for engines are becoming critical. We have over 100 engines stacked up wtg parts right now, about 3x the norm

I made a post recently about working more hrs b/c of our corp not wanting to hire new employees b/c of uncertainty about the future- obamacare being a HUGE player in that....well, other corp's are in the same boat....and that has us in a big hole that'll take a yr or more to dig out of

[skate]

At the end of 2008 GDP was $14,222.3B. In 2000 it was $9708.4. Thus GDP grew by $4513.9B or 46.49% during GW Bush's term.

Again, in 2000 GDP was $9708.4B. It was $6240.6% in 1992. A growth of $3467.8B or 55.57% during the Clinton years. Clearly there was more growth during the Clinton years.
These figures are from:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/hist.html
Table 10.2

Bottom line is What?

Two points to note.

It is more difficult to increase the %, when you start with a higher Figure.

In other words, do you want 60% of $50, OR 50% of $100?

Also, you have not addressed the very point which comes from the Same Stats that you found your GDP figures. Most important figures are a Higher GDP ALONG with a Higher tax Income (into the Gov.) all of this with a Lower Tax Rate (from the people).

I am very interested ifin you gather this point and ifin not, then I'll kill IT.

I'm looking at the Money and Truth side of this issue. Because if not found, then the game continues, that being lies from the media.

Don't have to thank me, just row like a galley slave. I'll understand.;)

[Valuist]

Only because of government action. Those things still happen in places where the government doesn't stop it.

Government action does not drive innovation or progression. Capitalism is the only thing that drives innovation.

[boxcar]

Government action does not drive innovation or progression. Capitalism is the only thing that drives innovation.

Exactly! Government seriously hinders motivation and progress. Capitalism is the only economic system that supports, encourages and promotes innovation, invention, individualism, creativity, progress, incentive, industriousness, productivity, creation of wealth, private ownership of property, success and personal achievement. Conversely, Communism and Communism Lite (Socialism), due to their nature, stifle all these values. Individuals have zero incentive to be all they can be in life, since essentially they're working for the state/collective instead of for themselves and loved ones.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Government action does not drive innovation or progression. Capitalism is the only thing that drives innovation.

Send this to 10 of your friends and tell them to sent it to 10 of theirs.

Make signs. Carry them downtown. To political rallies.

Chant this at the top of your lungs whenever a candidate is speaking.

Make bumper stickers.

Put that on your answering machine. On your business cards. Tatoo your butt. Twice. :rolleyes:

Call in to talk shows and scream this mantra.

Make sure no one doesn't get this message.

[skate]

At the end of 2008 GDP was $14,222.3B. In 2000 it was $9708.4. Thus GDP grew by $4513.9B or 46.49% during GW Bush's term.

Again, in 2000 GDP was $9708.4B. It was $6240.6% in 1992. A growth of $3467.8B or 55.57% during the Clinton years. Clearly there was more growth during the Clinton years.
These figures are from:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/hist.html
Table 10.2


You're giving us a higher % on a smaller number, but the % on the Bigger GDP is much harder to come by.

[skate]

Exactly! Government seriously hinders motivation and progress. Capitalism is the only economic system that supports, encourages and promotes innovation, invention, individualism, creativity, progress, incentive, industriousness, productivity, creation of wealth, private ownership of property, success and personal achievement. Conversely, Communism and Communism Lite (Socialism), due to their nature, stifle all these values. Individuals have zero incentive to be all they can be in life, since essentially they're working for the state/collective instead of for themselves and loved ones.

Boxcar

And anywhere Capitalism works well, we can find DEBT, because that is the only way for Growth to Happen.

Proportion, always.