Did Trevor Really Say That ?

[toetoe]

Did I hear Trevor call Zenyatta "the greatest horse on the planet," or am I paying the price of my hearing for that Viagra overdose ?

The place filly must be very proud --- very proud. :rolleyes: .

[tucker6]

Did I hear Trevor call Zenyatta "the greatest horse on the planet," or am I paying the price of my hearing for that Viagra overdose ?

The place filly must be very proud --- very proud. :rolleyes: .
Goldikova retired??

[tzipi]

Did I hear Trevor call Zenyatta "the greatest horse on the planet," or am I paying the price of my hearing for that Viagra overdose ?

The place filly must be very proud --- very proud. :rolleyes: .

Hey TVG said this is a G1 race which means the best in the nation. :confused:. I hope a horse who can't win a G3 is not one of the best in the nation.

[Hanover1]

When is a horse not a horse? When its a duck......

[boogazie]

He's entitled to this opinion as much as any other person. Since he controls the microphone, there is nothing wrong with saying that if he thinks it's true.

[Stillriledup]

I guess Jerry Jam owns the SECOND greatest horse on the planet! Congrats Jerry, your horse must be worth millions, only losing by a neck to the greatest horse on earth.

[cj's dad]

I'm no expert but Z did not look that impressive to me - maybe against this field she did not have to excel.

As I've said before; she can only beat what they put in front of her.

Surely she doesn't know the difference.

[Stillriledup]

All time great horses run Beyers in the 120 range. Z has run many Beyers UNDER 100. Most of her recent Beyers are close to 100. She's very good, but no where near great. She's doing what she has to do, getting jobs done, beating bad horses by noses and necks, she's not beating Mineshaft or Ghostzapper, lets not get carried away.

[JustRalph]

Goldikova retired??

Retired ? In the Context of the statement she would have to be launched in a rocket to another planet with Rachel Alexandra ?

[lamboguy]

this is the first time i have ever seen her not dead last in the back stretch. if the horse that was behind her had any ability what so ever and could pass her in the back stretch, i wonder if zenaytta could have run her race. if there is ever going to be a way to beat zenyatta i would think it would be from someone coming from behind and not having a big lead in the front. zenyatta has shown the ability to pass anything in front of her, she has never had to hold something off that has been behind her. every time she wins a race as close as she does it sets her up for another great race the next time she runs.

all in all, she is a great animal and i hope that when she retires she does it undefeated. she is a complete thing of beauty, and plays up to the crowd. and she knows the crowd loves her as well.

the moss family has kept the interest in this game alive by keeping her on the track.great horses that run at 6 is what this game has always been about. zenyatta has gotten better every single year that she has run. we really don't know for sure what they have to take care of with her in the barn. the trainer knows her as well as anyone could know a horse. every time she comes out on the track she looks 110%. but believe me, i know there has to be something that sherriffs does to keep her happy every day for the last 6 years. he is one fine trainer for sure.

[v j stauffer]

All time great horses run Beyers in the 120 range. Z has run many Beyers UNDER 100. Most of her recent Beyers are close to 100. She's very good, but no where near great. She's doing what she has to do, getting jobs done, beating bad horses by noses and necks, she's not beating Mineshaft or Ghostzapper, lets not get carried away.

Very good but nowhere near great? Where's Michael Irvin when I need him? C'mon Man.:bang:

[Zenyatta To Crush]

All time great horses run Beyers in the 120 range. Z has run many Beyers UNDER 100. Most of her recent Beyers are close to 100. She's very good, but no where near great. She's doing what she has to do, getting jobs done, beating bad horses by noses and necks, she's not beating Mineshaft or Ghostzapper, lets not get carried away.
Are seriously using beyer numbers to determine how good Zenyatta is? If you bet like this, you would of bet against her many times now since she's run a few races where her a competitor has had higher beyers than her.

You can't base greatness on beyer numbers, especially in Zenyatta's case. Its not her fault she runs against weak competition. She still gets the job done, and I'm guessing she'll find a way to get it done in the Classic as well...and that still won't be enough for some people to ever call her one of the all-time greats.

[cpitt84]

In one sense, Zenyatta only wins by a few lengths but she gets the job done.

Her style of racing will never be like the all time greats. But, this shouldn't negate her perfect record.

Some people will find an excuse for why Zenyatta is not all that great, especially when they idealize the greats from the past.

It is unfortunate that she is not being tested and like others have said, this is not her fault. Although, it does place doubts on the potential of her greatness.

If she were to win against blame, QR and RA I think many of those doubts will be gone.

[Stillriledup]

Very good but nowhere near great? Where's Michael Irvin when I need him? C'mon Man.:bang:

Good one! :lol:

[Java Gold@TFT]

Did I hear Trevor call Zenyatta "the greatest horse on the planet," or am I paying the price of my hearing for that Viagra overdose ?

The place filly must be very proud --- very proud. :rolleyes: .
When I saw the thread title I thought for sure that you were going to say that Trevor called Rinteral leading "AT A DECENT PACE" down the backstretch. I had no idea that poly was so bad that 25 and change and 50 and change was now considered a DECENT PACE.

[cj]

His call was about as bad as it can get. Rather than call what was happening on the track, he was calling what he wanted to happen. The words just didn't match the actions, especially down the stretch.

[Hanover1]

His call was about as bad as it can get. Rather than call what was happening on the track, he was calling what he wanted to happen. The words just didn't match the actions, especially down the stretch.

It indeed was a lousy call, along with a rather boring race, excepting the near loss....

[andymays]

Trevor makes mistakes all the time and has for several years now. He's nowhere close to being the best but quite a few people love him still. Some people hear and see what they want. A lot of times what they see and hear has nothing to do with reality.

[Sericm]

The Zenyatta bashers will just never get it!

Since when does time or winning margin have anything to do whether she's great or not.

She's won 18 in a row and your ticket isn't worth anymore whether she wins by a nose or 20 lengths, neither is the purse money.

Of her 18 wins over half are in grade 1 company.

If the others are so great then why don't they come here and try to beat her.

BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T.

[FenceBored]

Of her 18 wins over half are in grade 1 company.


:lol: Oh, no you didn't.

Dance to My Tune hasn't won a race since 11 days before Zenyatta ran her first race and you call that grade 1 company?

You're killin' me here. :lol:

[Relwob Owner]

The Zenyatta bashers will just never get it!


If the others are so great then why don't they come here and try to beat her.

BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T.


By "others", I assume you are assuming you mean females because as far as I know, males cant run in filly and mare restricted races......

[cj]

By "others", I assume you are assuming you mean females because as far as I know, males cant run in filly and mare restricted races......

And most don't want to run on sythetics, especially those in California. Hell, the purses stink too so why would anyone bother?

[Stillriledup]

Here's the thing about Trevor. He doesn't really follow racing around the country and he doesn't really follow popular culture all that much. You can tell this by the way he mispronounces certain horse names. For examples, Sarava's Wild Again, he pronounced it as "SARAH FAH" which means to me that he didnt realize that Sarava (correct pronunciation) won the Belmont Stakes a decade ago. Same thing with the horse Spurrier, Named after a famous football coach. I guess Trevor doesn't follow football or know who Steve Spurrier is. He also minpronounced a horse named after a famous actress a few years ago which led me to think, "he's never heard of HER?"

The list is endless of popular culture names he's botched, which shows he doesn't really follow much that goes on outside his announcing booth. He leaves his announcing gig when Hollywood opens and goes to some ranch in the middle of nowhere, maybe he doesnt even have a television?

Maybe he doesn't have a computer either? (Vic posts here, but Trevor is absent, i guess he's too busy to come on here and chat with us? Michael Wrona and Eddie B from Los Al have also been known to post messages on these boards (maybe it was the del mar forum?) but no Trevor, no posts from 'the man'.

Besides all the names he's botched, he does call races of what he wants to happen or what he thinks is going to happen instead of what actually happens. Take a listen to the call of a horse named Autocue (GB). He ran on July 29 in the 6th race at DMR this year. He got a letter perfect trip and is a better horse than Troubletimesthree anyway and yet Trevor picked "Trouble" out making a move on the far turn about 10 wide and 'annointed' that horse the winner, even though Autocue was a lock all the way (perfect trip). When Autocue won the race, Trevor understated his margin of victory because he knew that his call left a lot to be desired. The horse won by a very handy 1/2 length and yet Trevor said "a neck" and said it to indicate that he wasn't 'totally wrong' to emphasize Troubletimesthree's move on the far turn.

I could type pages and pages of the mistakes Trevor has made and the popular culture things he's botched, but i won't.

:jump:

[thaskalos]

That was clearly not one of Trevor's best calls...but I still think that he is undeserving of all the criticism he gets. We have heard much worse race calls from some familiar voices...and not much is usually made of them.

Even Tom Durkin's famous "Deputy" race call, garnered way more sympathy than ridicule...

I would rather listen to Trevor Denman, than any other race caller in the country.

[OntheRail]

The Zenyatta bashers will just never get it!

Since when does time or winning margin have anything to do whether she's great or not.

She's won 18 in a row and your ticket isn't worth anymore whether she wins by a nose or 20 lengths, neither is the purse money.

Of her 18 wins over half are in grade 1 company.

If the others are so great then why don't they come here and try to beat her.

BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T.


That's like having Michael Phelps swim and winning in a Olympic Event but you forgot one little important word... Special.

Well since all the Green Laws that get imposed on the rest of the Country stem for California. Would it not be better for the environment to ship one horse east then 12 west. And since the BC is being held on dirt this year ( Mosses hat rack from last year). East coast dirt runners are not going to ship West to run on a surface that most West trainers bemoan.

[toetoe]

He's entitled to this opinion as much as any other person. Since he controls the microphone, there is nothing wrong with saying that if he thinks it's true.



Ah, the globalistic, morally relative view. Tell me, if Tom Durkin screamed, "Blame has beaten Quality Road, and Quality Road is the greatest horse on the planet," and you started a thread pointing out the inanity of it, would I be remiss if I neglected to remind you of Tom Durkin's rights, or of his mike-wielding power ?

Why might someone puff up Quality Road after a loss ? Why indeed ? If Trevor wants to hyperbolically ejaculate about Zenyatta, I invite him to do so on ESPN's Who's More Now or TVG's :58 Flat, or during the inevitable movie. However, right after she edges nothing at the wire, he might show some restraint. After the BC Classic, okay. That world champ stuff, overdone as it is in all sports, should be allotted a la Draco.

[toetoe]

That's like having Michael Phelps swim and winning in a Olympic Event but you forgot one little important word... Special.





Oh boy, you may hear about this one from our betters, but let me stand with you. :lol: :lol: :lol: !!!!

[ronsmac]

I don't know if she's the greatest horse on the planet. I would agree that's she the greatest closer that I've ever seen. I can't go before 1973 , so I won't say of all time.

[PhantomOnTour]

I think Zenyatta has to defeat a top notch field (male or female)on dirt before she will be universally accepted as an all timer. I would be inclined to anoint her even if she tried dirt and lost and then came back to win the BC Classic; against what looks like a nice field this year (I hope). Heck, the Ladies Classic looks like a fantastic race if the prospects hold up.

As for Trevor; CJ nailed it. He calls what he wants to happen or thinks will happen. Locks onto a horse and won't let 'em go.

[JustRalph]

Since when does time or winning margin have anything to do whether she's great or not.

This might be one of the craziest things I have ever read on this board. You're kidding right ?

The Clock is the one consistent factor in the sport. If it doesn't matter, why the hell are we clocking every single race ? Why not just do away with it?

The one thing that hasn't changed (that much anyway) is the passage of time. It is the one true factor (unless of course you are at Gulfstream :lol: ) that stands the test of time. I know some tracks do it differently than others, but they are all measuring the same thing. And it turns out to be a pretty damn good way to measure a horse. I can't believe you think it doesn't matter? Year after year, Overall, it is the only thing that matters. It's truly the only way to place a number on anything in the sport. I know, it's all relative etc, but those running in the same day and age on different surfaces have to be measured some way. And using the clock is the best way to start any discussion or analysis of a horse. All the other factors come later.

I guess those horses running in the two year old sales who cut ten and eleven second quarters ought to be ignored? I know, it probably should be at that age but you get the point. Come on? Which horse would you rather own? The one who can go 45 to the half and finish in 12 after 9F or one that has never been timed ?

[bane]

Please tell me he is not doing The Breeders Cup....

[HuggingTheRail]

Z really needs to open up by a few lengths.....give him time to use supercalifragilisticexpialidocious - its about the only word he hasn't used?

[Relwob Owner]

Did I hear Trevor call Zenyatta "the greatest horse on the planet," or am I paying the price of my hearing for that Viagra overdose ?

The place filly must be very proud --- very proud. :rolleyes: .

She wasnt close to being the best horse on August 7th, 2010, much less on the planet in general.....I read on here that she ran a 94 Beyer and the Quality Road/Blame race came back a 111.......Denman just continues the absurd hyperbole....

[Fredo515]

:bang: If Z runs in the Breeders Cup Classic in November she will be OUT of the money.:cool:

[Stillriledup]

She wasnt close to being the best horse on August 7th, 2010, much less on the planet in general.....I read on here that she ran a 94 Beyer and the Quality Road/Blame race came back a 111.......Denman just continues the absurd hyperbole....

He really meant the best horse in California but said planet by mistake.

[Sericm]

This might be one of the craziest things I have ever read on this board. You're kidding right ?

The Clock is the one consistent factor in the sport. If it doesn't matter, why the hell are we clocking every single race ? Why not just do away with it?

The one thing that hasn't changed (that much anyway) is the passage of time. It is the one true factor (unless of course you are at Gulfstream :lol: ) that stands the test of time. I know some tracks do it differently than others, but they are all measuring the same thing. And it turns out to be a pretty damn good way to measure a horse. I can't believe you think it doesn't matter? Year after year, Overall, it is the only thing that matters. It's truly the only way to place a number on anything in the sport. I know, it's all relative etc, but those running in the same day and age on different surfaces have to be measured some way. And using the clock is the best way to start any discussion or analysis of a horse. All the other factors come later.

I guess those horses running in the two year old sales who cut ten and eleven second quarters ought to be ignored? I know, it probably should be at that age but you get the point. Come on? Which horse would you rather own? The one who can go 45 to the half and finish in 12 after 9F or one that has never been timed ?

I'd rather have the one that WON EIGHTEEN IN A ROW!!!!!

[WinterTriangle]

All time great horses run Beyers in the 120 range. Z has run many Beyers UNDER 100. Most of her recent Beyers are close to 100. She's very good, but no where near great.

Randy Moss (for one) explained this back in November of last year. Obviously, so has Davidowitz. Suggested reading.

[bks]

Trevor calls them on the come.

Sometimes, they don't come.

[Stillriledup]

Randy Moss (for one) explained this back in November of last year. Obviously, so has Davidowitz. Suggested reading.

What did they explain?

[PaceAdvantage]

Since when does time or winning margin have anything to do whether she's great or not.Really, this kind of comedy never gets old. Keep 'em comin'.If the others are so great then why don't they come here and try to beat her.

BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T.Of course they can't. They aren't allowed to enter races restricted to fillies and mares.

[PaceAdvantage]

Even Tom Durkin's famous "Deputy" race call, garnered way more sympathy than ridicule...Now that's an incorrect statement. I lived through that, so I should know.

[PaceAdvantage]

Randy Moss (for one) explained this back in November of last year. Obviously, so has Davidowitz. Suggested reading.Yeah, it's called covering up the warts in my book.

People like myself like to pull down the curtain and examine all the gory details.

Slow times against slow horses.

It's what horse racing is all about.

[Hanover1]

:bang: If Z runs in the Breeders Cup Classic in November she will be OUT of the money.:cool:

I'll take as much action as you could muster on that statement.

[thaskalos]

I'll take as much action as you could muster on that statement.And I'll back you up on that!