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mostpost
08-03-2010, 11:18 PM
I keep seeing references here to George Soros. Apparently our conservative friends see Soros as supporting Democratic candidates and progressive causes, and by extension socialism and by further extension communism.
Somehow they see this billionaire capitalist as a socialist.
From wikipedia:
Soros is chairman of Soros Fund Management and the Open Society Institute and a former member of the Board of Directors of the Council on Foreign Relations. He played a significant role in the peaceful transition from Communism to Capitalism in Hungary (1984–89)
Also from wikipedia:
According to Neil Clark in the New Statesman, Soros's role was crucial in the collapse of communism in eastern Europe. Clark states that from 1979, Soros distributed $3m a year to dissidents including Poland's Solidarity movement, Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia and Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union; in 1984, he founded his first Open Society Institute in Hungary and pumped millions of dollars into opposition movements and independent media.[37
So the man that conservatives call a socialist, was instrumental in the dissolution of several socialist systems.
More from wikipedia:
Since the fall of the Soviet Union, Soros' funding has continued to play an important role in the former Soviet sphere. His funding and organization of Georgia's Rose Revolution was considered crucial to its success by Russian and Western observers, although Soros has said that his role has been "greatly exaggerated."[38] Alexander Lomaia, Secretary of the Georgian Security Council and former Minister of Education and Science, is a former Executive Director of the Open Society Georgia Foundation (Soros Foundation), overseeing a staff of 50 and a budget of $2,500,000.[39]

Former Georgian Foreign Minister Salomé Zourabichvili wrote that institutions like the Soros Foundation were the cradle of democratisation and that all the NGOs which gravitated around the Soros Foundation undeniably carried the revolution. She opines that after the revolution the Soros Foundation and the NGOs were integrated into power.[40]
Soros understands as no consevatives do that the free Market philosophy is destructive to business as it is to workers.
In an interview regarding the late-2000s recession, Soros referred to it as the most serious crisis since the 1930s. According to Soros, market fundamentalism with its assumption that markets will correct themselves with no need for government intervention in financial affairs has been "some kind of an ideological excess". In Soros' view, the markets' moods — a "mood" of the markets being a prevailing bias or optimism/pessimism with which the markets look at reality — "actually can reinforce themselves so that there are these initially self-reinforcing but eventually unsustainable and self-defeating boom/bust sequences or bubbles".[55]

JustRalph
08-04-2010, 12:34 AM
you gotta be kidding right...............?

Tom
08-04-2010, 12:39 AM
I am not sure what is more disturbing....that Soros is allowed to live here and infect this country or that someone actually buys his crap?

rastajenk
08-04-2010, 12:39 AM
I doubt it. :rolleyes:

mostpost
08-04-2010, 12:52 AM
you gotta be kidding right...............?
provide me with enlightenment.

JustRalph
08-04-2010, 02:10 AM
provide me with enlightenment.

Mosty, I won't be drawn in...... we don't need to have this argument here. Soros has given tons of money to people like ACORN and others........ look it up. There are tons of articles online about Soros. You started this thread just for sport.........

lamboguy
08-04-2010, 02:18 AM
I am not sure what is more disturbing....that Soros is allowed to live here and infect this country or that someone actually buys his crap?i think that you will find that he is quite a powerful man, maybe very dangerous. the man is as sharp as it gets having created his wealth by burrying the british pound about 30 years ago. he is as liberal as it gets when it comes down to social and political causes as it gets. and he is as conservetive in economic and any issue that involves his own personal life.

to sum the man up, he talks, walks and sqwaks from both sides of his mouth. and never to be trusted for anything that he mutters. he has a very selfish agenda. yet the man is well respected all over the world. he is DANGEROUS

toetoe
08-05-2010, 08:20 PM
You have my admiration for taking a stand, Mostpost. :ThmbUp:



According to my source, Soros, a self-loathing Hungarian Jew, was inspired to change his name to its present palindromic form by his father's major contribution to world peace --- Esperanto. ( :bang: :bang: :bang: .) You know --- one world language, all humans living in a warm and fuzzy Star Trek wet dream. :rolleyes: .

Steve 'StatMan'
08-05-2010, 08:47 PM
i think that you will find that he is quite a powerful man, maybe very dangerous. the man is as sharp as it gets having created his wealth by burrying the british pound about 30 years ago. he is as liberal as it gets when it comes down to social and political causes as it gets. and he is as conservetive in economic and any issue that involves his own personal life.

to sum the man up, he talks, walks and sqwaks from both sides of his mouth. and never to be trusted for anything that he mutters. he has a very selfish agenda. yet the man is well respected all over the world. he is DANGEROUS

I wonder if he'strying to Super-Size his extreme wealth by burrying the U.S. Dollar.

If that happened, that'd be the ultimate wealth redistribution - wealthy or poor before in U.S. dollars, then everyone essentiall broke, holding worthless currency & certain investments.

TJDave
08-05-2010, 09:00 PM
According to my source, Soros, a self-loathing Hungarian Jew, was inspired to change his name to its present palindromic form by his father's major contribution to world peace --- Esperanto.

He hates himself for being Jewish?

It's my understanding his father changed the family name to escape anti-semitism. But I could be wrong...

Please, name your source.

bigmack
08-05-2010, 09:15 PM
When Hitler’s henchman Adolf Eichmann arrived in Hungary , to oversee the murder of that country’s Jews, George Soros ended up with a man whose job was confiscating property from the Jewish population. Soros went with him on his rounds. Soros has repeatedly called 1944 “the best year of his life.”

“70% of Mr. Soros’s fellow Jews in Hungary , nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year, yet he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect.”

During an interview with Sixty Minutes’ Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about his “best year”:

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.
SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
SOROS: Not, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2564647/posts

cj's dad
08-05-2010, 09:48 PM
i think that you will find that he is quite a powerful man, maybe very dangerous. the man is as sharp as it gets having created his wealth by burrying the british pound about 30 years ago. he is as liberal as it gets when it comes down to social and political causes as it gets. and he is as conservetive in economic and any issue that involves his own personal life.

to sum the man up, he talks, walks and sqwaks from both sides of his mouth. and never to be trusted for anything that he mutters. he has a very selfish agenda. yet the man is well respected all over the world. he is DANGEROUS


Overall - your best post ever - And yes he is extremely dangerous !!

rastajenk
08-05-2010, 11:10 PM
The ultimate limousine (or fleet of limousines) liberal; enjoying the fruits of the labors of many while supporting policies that keep up down while claiming they are good for our common goal, whatever that is. No, he's not a socialist, he jut wants everyone else to be one so that he can continue to live the highest of the high life.

Figman
08-05-2010, 11:38 PM
George Soros owns the Dinosaur Barbeque restaurant chain. They are about to open in Troy,N.Y. on the Hudson River. I won't be a customer!!!!!
http://blog.timesunion.com/tablehopping/16908/the-billionaire-and-the-biker-barbecue/

BlueShoe
08-06-2010, 10:51 AM
Some consider Soros the most dangerous man alive. The best label for him might be Globalist. He is one of the leaders of the international cabal that seeks to eliminate national sovereignty and impose a one world govenment, the so called "New World Order". One hopeful thing is that he is quite elderly, at 80, he likely will not live to see his evil visions come to pass.

toetoe
08-06-2010, 01:05 PM
Please, name your source.



Give me a moment. :)

toetoe
08-06-2010, 01:30 PM
He hates himself for being Jewish?





Surely that's not inconceivable to you ... :confused:

The Jews have always had a crippling habit of voting against their own interests --- maybe because they want to avoid another holocaust at all costs ... :confused: . How else to explain the slavish devotion to the leftwingnuts who betray the Jews and Israelis at every turn ? They have every right to do this, and yes --- I am a racist. I already know this. Please just deal with the opinion itself.

Apologies. The name change was indeed done by the paterfamilias. He made up a word in his new lingo, then took the word as his family name. That's strong. :rolleyes: .

Call me DooDoo. It means "to soar" in Toetoetalitarianese. Oh, bruddah.




Tonto 'n' Squanto
Sittin' in a tree.
Speakin' Esperanto with
Georgie 'n' me.



That's so good it deserves translation into Esperanto, the Language of Peace. Two problems, however: I am a racist, and I am not smart enough. :( .

TJDave
08-06-2010, 04:37 PM
Surely that's not inconceivable to you ... :confused:

The Jews have always had a crippling habit of voting against their own interests --- maybe because they want to avoid another holocaust at all costs ... :confused: . How else to explain the slavish devotion to the leftwingnuts who betray the Jews and Israelis at every turn ? They have every right to do this, and yes --- I am a racist. I already know this. Please just deal with the opinion itself.


First: Unless your definition of self-loathing is the opposite of mine, Soros is the antithesis of a self-loather. He is a self-aggrandizing, sophomoric megalomaniac.

Second: You confuse typically liberal, identity sharing, feel good, pseudo-Jews with classical Judaism. Practicing Jews are overwhelmingly politically conservative and share the same views as their conservative Christian brethren.

Third: Judaism is a religion. There is a simple solution for those who hate their identity. It's called conversion.

bigmack
08-06-2010, 05:13 PM
Third: Judaism is a religion. There is a simple solution for those who hate their identity. It's called conversion.
Being Jewish goes quite a bit further than attending a synagogue or an adherence to a religious belief. So too, I don't know many people that called Sammy Davis Jr. 'a Jew' after he converted. :rolleyes:

mostpost
08-06-2010, 06:50 PM
During an interview with Sixty Minutes’ Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about his “best year”:

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.
SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
SOROS: Not, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.

You can find an unedited transcript of the 60 minutes interview here:
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=43876
You can see from this that Soros never made the statements attributed to him above, which I have marked in red.

Here is the full answer to the "Was it diificult?"
Mr. SOROS: Not -- not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -- you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all.
And here is the full answer when Kroft asked "No feeling of guilt?
Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.

Soros was fourteen years old. He was a member of a persecuted minority. He might have been found out at any time. To expect that a fourteen year old would have spoken up in an impossible situation is just unrealistic. None of you would have done it. If you think you would have, you are lying to yourself.

Back to the article you linked to. There are so many misstatements, lies and
misattributions in the article that it would take months to list them.
Here is another example of one of your dishonest right wing blogs selectively editing and ]even adding statements that were never made[/COLOR].

bigmack
08-06-2010, 07:38 PM
I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.

Soros was fourteen years old. He was a member of a persecuted minority.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

Which is it, a spectator or facilitator?

Persecuted minority? Yeah, to the tune of 550,000+ of his peers being slaughtered. Good attitude on his part though, "Hey, if I didn't do it someone else would"

A hero to you. What an eyeopener.

NJ Stinks
08-06-2010, 07:39 PM
Unedited is never a good idea for anybody trying to put a round peg into a square hole, Mostpost. :bang:

Bruddah
08-06-2010, 07:58 PM
Gonna catch a lot of hell for this one. May George Soros's retirement and good health be quick. :ThmbUp:

TJDave
08-06-2010, 08:09 PM
Which is it, a spectator or facilitator?



A fourteen-year-old boy?

What do you think...honestly? :rolleyes:

Could he have pointed the way or helped load the truck?

Probably.

IMO, Soros is a prick and I won't defend his actions as an adult. But as Mostpost has said, "To expect that a fourteen year old would have spoken up in an impossible situation is just unrealistic."

bigmack
08-06-2010, 08:18 PM
A fourteen-year-old boy?
The point is that he made two different statements. He said he was merely a spectator and then he said he was complicit. Which is it?

As his father paid for him to work with the Ministry of Agriculture, I wonder, what became of his father?

toetoe
08-06-2010, 08:30 PM
Second: You confuse typically liberal, identity sharing, feel good, pseudo-Jews with classical Judaism. Practicing Jews are overwhelmingly politically conservative and share the same views as their conservative Christian brethren.

Third: Judaism is a religion. There is a simple solution for those who hate their identity. It's called conversion.



I'm speaking of ethnic Jews, of course.

By "self-loathing," I guess I mean "self's own group-hating," i.e., a Jew ashamed of Jews.

My source --- I'm pleased as punch to have tracked it down --- is a piece by Dennis Prager in Jewish World Review, 25 April 2006, in which piece he alleges that a huge chunk of Jewry (it's still out, by the way ... ;) ) is of the secular southpaw variety.

Comparing ethnic Jews to Christians is something I'm loath to do, as it's comparing race with religion. Hey, can I cop to being a religionist, too ? :jump: .



P.S. I saw Torah Torah Torah (loved it :jump: ), so do I get some ecumenical love ova heah ? Hunh ?

bigmack
08-06-2010, 09:51 PM
Like father:

Tivadar Schwartz, George Soros' father, rejected his own Judaism in youth, but found another "religion" at some point in the First World War. During his years as a Russian POW, Tivadar became enthralled with the obscure, synthetic language, Esperanto. He acquired a rudimentary knowledge of it from his fellow POWs.

Esperanto was devised by a Jewish physician in Warsaw during the 1880's. But it wasn't (and still isn't) just a made-up language; it served as the embodiment of a cult formed around the ideas of "internationalism, anti-sectarianism and cosmopolitanism," in the words of Soros biographer Michael Kaufman.

Esperantists believe that a new world order of harmony and cooperation will be ushered in through the adoption of their made-up, one-world language. They see language as the vehicle that will enable them to re-create the world according to their own specifications.

Tivadar Schwartz seized upon the cult of Esperanto to fill his own God-shaped void, a vacuum created by his repudiation of Judaism.

If Tivadar and his fellow Esperantists had been as well-versed in their own Judaism as they were enthralled by their own intelligence and ingenuity, they would have clearly remembered that a strikingly similar idea had already been conceived and quite neatly recorded by their own ancestors.

It wasn't called Esperanto; it was called Babel.

Like son:

Writing for the Atlantic Monthly in 1997, Soros explained his "visionary" Open Society and its values:

Moreover, the open society as a universal concept transcends all boundaries. Societies derive their cohesion from shared values. These values are rooted in culture, religion, history and tradition. When a society does not have boundaries, where are the shared values to be found? I believe there is only one possible source: the concept of the open society itself. (Emphasis mine)
And there you have it. Since there will be no external immutable source such as God from which to derive morality and values, those one-world, anything-goes people are going to need something to hold them together, something upon which to focus. But they have nothing but circular logic. Which means there are no limits at all.

There are some compelling similarities between Tivadar's pseudo-religion, Esperanto, and George's new religion, the Open Society.

Both are ideologies that espouse man as supreme, especially over God. Both depend upon internationalism over the nation-state concept. Both require the destruction of individual cultures and traditions. Both demand a tyrannical tolerance for every idea being treated in absolute equal fashion.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/10/the_religious_quest_of_george.html