The Wichita Massacre

[cj's dad]

I came across this article which was never reported by the MSM and received little coverage outside of Wichita Kansas.

snip> According to a lone survivor's horrifying pre-trial testimony, after sexually tormenting them, the Carr Brothers took the friends individually to an ATM machine and forced them to withdraw as much cash as possible. Then, the Carr Brothers transported their naked victims to a remote soccer field and forced them to kneel in the snow before shooting them execution-style in the head, and then running them over with a truck. After leaving their victims for dead, the Carr Brothers returned to the men's apartment and stole appliances, bedding, and china. < snip

More at the link:

http://www.wichita-massacre.com/

[BluegrassProf]

Half of my family lives in Wichita, and I remember this case well. The primary reason the judge and attorneys in the case restricted media access was the fear of media influence on the case itself; it became a publicly-divisive case over the issue of hate crime legislation and perceived prosecutorial disparities, but KS had no hate crime law at the time, and prosecution - and subsequent penalties - wouldn't have been affected if it did.

Regardless, the case received not just national coverage, but international coverage...doing a quick once-over via LexNex, feature articles are still viewable from USA Today, the Washington Times, the Washington Post, the Ottawa Citizen, the Grand Rapids Press, the Topeka Capital-Journal, the Times Union, the Wichita Eagle, the Philadelphia Daily News, the Herald-Sun, The Chicago Sun, the Toronto Sun, the Palm Beach Post, the Times-Picayune, the Chattanooga, El Paso, and Richmond Times, and many others - and that search will exclude any number of small-time papers from coast to coast not viewable on that database. MSM had no problem covering the story genreally; they simply had a problem getting close to the trial itself and to its participants, which was an conscious decision by those involved in the case. Other concerns (ex: voir dire) are procedural, and 110% normative.

I'd read conclusions drawn in the above link with a grain of salt. They're really trying to sell you a product (Find out what really happened!!! Click here to order...), and that product isn't necessarily going to be any sort of healthy reality. Just a thought.

[boxcar]

Half of my family lives in Wichita, and I remember this case well. The primary reason the judge and attorneys in the case restricted media access was the fear of media influence on the case itself; it became a publicly-divisive case over the issue of hate crime legislation and perceived prosecutorial disparities, but KS had no hate crime law at the time, and prosecution - and subsequent penalties - wouldn't have been affected if it did.

Regardless, the case received not just national coverage, but international coverage...doing a quick once-over via LexNex, feature articles are still viewable from USA Today, the Washington Times, the Washington Post, the Ottawa Citizen, the Grand Rapids Press, the Topeka Capital-Journal, the Times Union, the Wichita Eagle, the Philadelphia Daily News, the Herald-Sun, The Chicago Sun, the Toronto Sun, the Palm Beach Post, the Times-Picayune, the Chattanooga, El Paso, and Richmond Times, and many others - and that search will exclude any number of small-time papers from coast to coast not viewable on that database. MSM had no problem covering the story genreally; they simply had a problem getting close to the trial itself and to its participants, which was an conscious decision by those involved in the case. Other concerns (ex: voir dire) are procedural, and 110% normative.

I'd read conclusions drawn in the above link with a grain of salt. They're really trying to sell you a product (Find out what really happened!!! Click here to order...), and that product isn't necessarily going to be any sort of healthy reality. Just a thought.

The number of papers that a news story appears in doesn't tell the full story (forgive the bad pun) about the type of coverage it gets. The space size and page number, too, must be factored in to the kind of coverage a story received. If a story is buried on page 9 and allotted 5" of space, I'd say that qualifies as a "buried" story. It's there alright, but one has to dig for it to find it. ;)

Boxcar

[Black Ruby]

The number of papers that a news story appears in doesn't tell the full story (forgive the bad pun) about the type of coverage it gets. The space size and page number, too, must be factored in to the kind of coverage a story received. If a story is buried on page 9 and allotted 5" of space, I'd say that qualifies as a "buried" story. It's there alright, but one has to dig for it to find it. ;)

Boxcar

Ah, like when the state of Florida settled the lawsuit filed by the NCAA for having illegally purged black voters from the Florida rolls before GW Bush's first presidential campaign and the story of the settlement was relegated to page 8 in the Washington Post?

[BluegrassProf]

The number of papers that a news story appears in doesn't tell the full story (forgive the bad pun) about the type of coverage it gets. The space size and page number, too, must be factored in to the kind of coverage a story received. If a story is buried on page 9 and allotted 5" of space, I'd say that qualifies as a "buried" story. It's there alright, but one has to dig for it to find it. ;)

BoxcarYou don't have to dig for them - I was referring primarily to substantive stories in my post (that's why I labeled them "feature stories"). In terms of mainstream homicide coverage, this is a well-covered story - even its perceived lack of coverage and the ensuing debate was ultimately substantively covered in large publications, ironic as that sounds. MSM coverage is a non-issue...the "most supressed story!" tagline is ridiculous, but useful in generating sales.

Besides, on an unrelated note, I'm about the very last person to whom you need to explain the fundamentals of news/research: along with policing practices and HLS, it's my primary area of scholarly research - ex: I'm currently a coauthor in the largest crime/media study ever undertaken...we're talking hundreds of thousands of stories, crimes/criminals/crime fighters, and publications (I'm actually sitting here working on it now...PA is a super unhealthy distraction :D ). I've got a pretty good grasp on the lay of the land here. ;)

[mostpost]

Ah, like when the state of Florida settled the lawsuit filed by the NCAA for having illegally purged black voters from the Florida rolls before GW Bush's first presidential campaign and the story of the settlement was relegated to page 8 in the Washington Post?
Did you mean NAACP? Or did I miss a reference to the Gators, Seminoles, and Hurricanes?

[JustRalph]

Ah, like when the state of Florida settled the lawsuit filed by the NCAA for having illegally purged black voters from the Florida rolls before GW Bush's first presidential campaign and the story of the settlement was relegated to page 8 in the Washington Post?

If I remember right, that list was actually purging convicted Felon's from the voter rolls........right? and I am sure there were errors. There always are when it comes to databases.

[TJDave]

First it was BTK, now these monsters. It must be the water.

[BluegrassProf]

First it was BTK, now these monsters. It must be the water.Funnily enough, BTK was my granddad's neighbor...spoke at my stepgranny's funeral, in fact.

Small, terrifying world, eh? :D :faint:

[BlueShoe]

Ah, like when the state of Florida settled the lawsuit filed by the NCAA for having illegally purged black voters from the Florida rolls before GW Bush's first presidential campaign and the story of the settlement was relegated to page 8 in the Washington Post?
Just what the hell does voter registration in the South have to do with this awful crime? Oh wait, now I get it, the victims were white and the criminals were not. The leftist mindset demands defense of those of a minority race, regardless of the situation. Just play the race card again and divert attention from the topic. According to liberal mindthink, since three of the victims were white, male, and heterosexual, the real victims were the two black men that committed the atrocities. :rolleyes:

[Black Ruby]

Just what the hell does voter registration in the South have to do with this awful crime? Oh wait, now I get it, the victims were white and the criminals were not. The leftist mindset demands defense of those of a minority race, regardless of the situation. Just play the race card again and divert attention from the topic. According to liberal mindthink, since three of the victims were white, male, and heterosexual, the real victims were the two black men that committed the atrocities. :rolleyes:

Boxcar made a comment about news being buried, that's what it has to do with it, oh brilliant one.

Nobody I know demands defense of a minority race regardless of the facts, and I'm sure I associate with a more diverse crowd than you.

You guys have learned from Limbaugh and Fox, as they passed it down from Reagan, that anybody who disagrees with you is a liberal or leftist, and it's just not the case. I know a few bleeding hearts and a few pure cons, and I think both extremes are devisive idiots. There are a lot of substantial issues upon which a large percentage of Americans can reach substantial agreement, but instead we spend our time name calling and bullsh*tting about little crap that the corporate media wants to deflect our attention upon.

[Black Ruby]

If I remember right, that list was actually purging convicted Felon's from the voter rolls........right? and I am sure there were errors. There always are when it comes to databases.

My comment was about the story being buried. Yes, it was purging, but a zealous, extensive purging, in a state where the governor was the candidate's brother, and the SOS was Katherine Harris. To top things off, I believe the firm hired to do the purging was a major Repub contributor, I think it might have been WellSpring. Anyway, I would have thought that the settlement of this case, with those involved, merited more than a page 8 positioning. That was it, just responding to Box.

[BlueShoe]

Nobody I know demands defense of a minority race regardless of the facts.
Have you checked with the man that is currently the Attorney General lately? You know the one, the fella that heads the Justice Department. The guy that says that his department will not pursue or prosecute black defendents? Heard of him?
www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/07/026742.php (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/07/026742.php)

[JustRalph]

My comment was about the story being buried. Yes, it was purging, but a zealous, extensive purging, in a state where the governor was the candidate's brother, and the SOS was Katherine Harris. To top things off, I believe the firm hired to do the purging was a major Repub contributor, I think it might have been WellSpring. Anyway, I would have thought that the settlement of this case, with those involved, merited more than a page 8 positioning. That was it, just responding to Box.

Purging Felon's from the voter rolls goes on all the time..........depending on what state you are in. Funny how you forgot to mention they were felon's

[Robert Goren]

Purging Felon's from the voter rolls goes on all the time..........depending on what state you are in. Funny how you forgot to mention they were felon's It is not illegal in all states for felons to vote. In the Forida case people with the same name as a felon was purged from the the voters list. It was noted that almost no white people with the same name as a felon was purged in the law suit and that was why the state of Florida lost.

[JustRalph]

It is not illegal in all states for felons to vote. In the Forida case people with the same name as a felon was purged from the the voters list. It was noted that almost no white people with the same name as a felon was purged in the law suit and that was why the state of Florida lost.

how is the above post germane at all to what I had posted ?

I said "depending on what state you are in" . Well, you got your votes back in Minnesota last time out........... :lol:

Btw, I don't know what the hell you mean by " that was why the state of florida lost" ?

[bigmack]

I don't remember seeing the story with the exception of a Dateline NBC shoe years later.

The two Bro's seem a tad macabre.

The details of the case are about as wicked as anything I've ever read:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/carr_brothers/index.html

Good they're on death row. Looked more like a hate crime case to me than DaJudge:

The kidnapper escorted her to Beforts truck. Without speaking, he waved a gloved hand at the drivers side door to indicate that she should drive. She backed the truck out of the icy driveway and turned towards 127th Street.

He asked her what his crime partner had done with her and she said he had forced her to have sex with him.

The captor laughed. Did you like it? he asked.

Yes, the victim replied, hoping not to anger him.

He asked if she had ever been with a black man before and H.G. said she had not. Then he asked if the rapist was better than her boyfriend was. Again she said, yes.

[Bettowin]

That soccer field is only about 2 miles from my house and the victims townhouse is about 1 mile. I remember that morning very well. Kudos to the police for catching the brothers in a few hours. The surviving victim actually had the bullet ricochet off a hair clip at point blank range. She ended up marrying another of their surviving victims from a different crime spree and is raising a family. Very small world.

[cj's dad]

That soccer field is only about 2 miles from my house and the victims townhouse is about 1 mile. I remember that morning very well. Kudos to the police for catching the brothers in a few hours. The surviving victim actually had the bullet ricochet off a hair clip at point blank range. She ended up marrying another of their surviving victims from a different crime spree and is raising a family. Very small world.

And the story was all over the evening news- you know ABC-CBS-NBC with the accompanying charges of it being a vicious attack on innocent folks doing nothing more than trying to move on with their lives ??

Yeah right !!!!

[fast4522]

I still say we should bring back guillotine then none can join Allah.

[bigmack]

And the story was all over the evening news- you know ABC-CBS-NBC with the accompanying charges of it being a vicious attack on innocent folks doing nothing more than trying to move on with their lives ??

Yeah right !!!!
What does that have to do with the response of the post you quoted?

And what is your point?

[cj's dad]

What does that have to do with the response of the post you quoted?

And what is your point?

It was a belated response to post #2 - A poor attempt at satire.