82 yr old may go to jail....Illegals not charged

[JustRalph]

Let's hope the Jury Pool has more common sense than the D.A.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-theives-free-victim-arrested-txt,0,231586.story

Video link
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-theives-free-victim-arrested-txt,0,231586.story

[46zilzal]

Its all them damn furrners fault!....well at least according to about 75% of your posts.

People never learn, Go through hard times and blame it on the Jews, The Armenians, the Carthaginians, the untouchables, the blacks, the Mexicans, the Palestinians etc etc

[Pell Mell]

Its all them damn furrners fault!....well at least according to about 75% of your posts.

People never learn, Go through hard times and blame it on the Jews, The Armenians, the Carthaginians, the untouchables, the blacks, the Mexicans, the Palestinians etc etc

What the F$$k does that statement have to do with this case.

The biggest problem we have is with imbeciles like you and your ilk. :mad:

[toetoe]

blame it on the Jews, The Armenians, the Carthaginians, the untouchables, the blacks, the Mexicans, the Palestinians etc etc



I try to just blame it on Zilly. :p .

[boxcar]

What the F$$k does that statement have to do with this case.

The biggest problem we have is with imbeciles like you and your ilk. :mad:

You're asking him to connect dots? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

Its all them damn furrners fault!....well at least according to about 75% of your posts.

People never learn, Go through hard times and blame it on the Jews, The Armenians, the Carthaginians, the untouchables, the blacks, the Mexicans, the Palestinians etc etc

you are such an idiot............

[GaryG]

Too bad he is not in a state that values a man's right to defend his property. I would have done the same thing, as most of us probably would.

[fast4522]

Our resident war hero is referring to the fact people steal when unemployed and how inhumane our society is to allow its citizenry the ability to defend life or property with firearms. We should all act like good little subjects even when trespassed on by degenerate low life's. Just think how fortunate we all are that he lives up in the great white north where everything is perfect and crime is only in history books and everyone has a great job.

[newtothegame]

What the F$$k does that statement have to do with this case.

The biggest problem we have is with imbeciles like you and your ilk. :mad:

You give him way too much credit :lol:

[Tom]

The Canadian Stalker strikes again.
He sees the word "Ralph" and goes into bot-mode with automated replies.......no thinking involved.

[cj's dad]

The Canadian Stalker strikes again.
He sees the word "Ralph" and goes into bot-mode with automated replies.......no thinking involved.

At least he didn't remind us he was "university" educated and a doctor.

:lol:

[fast4522]

At least he didn't remind us he was "university" educated and a doctor.

:lol:
Some get a PHD to become a complete idiot while others live the American Dream.

[mostpost]

The trailer thieves have been arrested.

http://www.ci.wheatridge.co.us/archives/64/2010-1696%20Suspects%20arrested.pdf

Wheat Ridge police also provided clarification and a timeline of the events.

http://www.ci.wheatridge.co.us/archives/64/2010-1696%201st%20Degree%20Attempt%20Murder%20Case.pdf

When reading this pay particular attention to the following paragraph located near the end of the report.
18-1-706, use of physical force in defense of property: A person is justified in using reasonable and appropriate physical force upon another person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what he believes to be an attempt by the other person to commit theft, criminal mischief, or criminal tampering involving property, but he may only use deadly physical force under these circumstances only in defense of himself or another as described in section 18-1-704.
This is why the Prosecutor filed the charges he did. If I were on the jury, I would vote to acquit unless the Prosecution could prove that Mr. Wallace was not firing just to scare off the thieves.

[46zilzal]

Some get a PHD to become a complete idiot while others live the American Dream.
Hochsteader was right as was Jacoby

[illinoisbred]

Hochsteader was right as was Jacoby
Don't you mean HOFSTEDLER?

[boxcar]

The trailer thieves have been arrested.

http://www.ci.wheatridge.co.us/archives/64/2010-1696%20Suspects%20arrested.pdf

Wheat Ridge police also provided clarification and a timeline of the events.

http://www.ci.wheatridge.co.us/archives/64/2010-1696%201st%20Degree%20Attempt%20Murder%20Case.pdf

When reading this pay particular attention to the following paragraph located near the end of the report.
[/B]
This is why the Prosecutor filed the charges he did. If I were on the jury, I would vote to acquit unless the Prosecution could prove that Mr. Wallace was not firing just to scare off the thieves.

So, according to the "enlightened" worldly wisdom of man's laws, a person has limited rights to protection of his property, which runs contrary to natural law, natural rights, inalienable rights, common sense and most importantly the teaching of scripture on this matter. If a criminal (a lawbreaker) is in a place that he shouldn't be and engaging in an activity in which he shouldn't, then he should be prepared to suffer the full and even ultimate consequences of his folly, according to scripture. But not so, according to the irrational, godless laws of man. Why should the victim of a crime suffer any consequences unnecessarily?

One of you enlightened, worldly citizens care to explain this?

Boxcar

[DJofSD]

That's easy to explain. The criminal is justified because he wants something. So it's a justified taking. That fact that the 82 year old man tried to deny the "victim" of gross inequities the ability to better himself makes him guilty of a criminal against humanity.

There you go. Problem solved.

[boxcar]

That's easy to explain. The criminal is justified because he wants something. So it's a justified taking. That fact that the 82 year old man tried to deny the "victim" of gross inequities the ability to better himself makes him guilty of a criminal against humanity.

There you go. Problem solved.

Oh...I gotcha. It's that ol' Marxist "economic inequality" thingy. Therefore, the victim becomes the criminal if he tries too hard to protect his property. Makes perfectly good sense...in countries like Cuba, China, North Korea, etc., etc. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[DJofSD]

Right. It's a crime to not give it up.

[fast4522]

More Psycho Babble from our war hero.

[JustRalph]

Right. It's a crime to not give it up.

I read it this way

"It's a crime not to give up" Surrender or be charged............

[mostpost]

So, according to the "enlightened" worldly wisdom of man's laws, a person has limited rights to protection of his property, which runs contrary to natural law, natural rights, inalienable rights, common sense and most importantly the teaching of scripture on this matter. If a criminal (a lawbreaker) is in a place that he shouldn't be and engaging in an activity in which he shouldn't, then he should be prepared to suffer the full and even ultimate consequences of his folly, according to scripture. But not so, according to the irrational, godless laws of man. Why should the victim of a crime suffer any consequences unnecessarily?

One of you enlightened, worldly citizens care to explain this?
Boxcar
I'd be happy to. First of all the United States is not a theocracy, it is a Constitutional Republic. The citizens of this Constitutional Republic are obliged to follow the laws set forth by their duly elected representatives.
Secondly your argument is idiotic on its face. A trailer is worth more than a man's life? Where is that in the bible? What I find in the bible is "thou shalt not kill". There's no exception for theft of a trailer. I see numerous example of Jesus forgiving those who have sinned. I see where Jesus says, "If a man steal your coat, give him also your shirt".
Natural law says that a man has a right to his property. It does not give him the right to kill someone to keep it. There are laws which were instituted to protect property. Failing to use those laws leads to anarchy.
Your ultra-macho philosophy is laughable.

[mostpost]

That's easy to explain. The criminal is justified because he wants something. So it's a justified taking. That fact that the 82 year old man tried to deny the "victim" of gross inequities the ability to better himself makes him guilty of a criminal against humanity.

There you go. Problem solved.
It's hard to decide who is dumber; you or Boxcar. The right of the eighty-two year old man to protect his property is not absolute. It ends when doing so imperils another. In the United States theft is not punishable by death. Therefore, one can not kill or attempt to kill someone trying to steal property.
We have laws. We have a system of government to enforce those laws. That is how we dispense justice in a civilized society.

[cj's dad]

I have 12 gauge shotgun in my home - any unwelcome 'guest" in my home AFTER I hit the rack is dead meat - So what exactly am I apologizing for ????

[DJofSD]

I'd be happy to. First of all the United States is not a theocracy, it is a Constitutional Republic. The citizens of this Constitutional Republic are obliged to follow the laws set forth by their duly elected representatives.
Secondly your argument is idiotic on its face. A trailer is worth more than a man's life? Where is that in the bible? What I find in the bible is "thou shalt not kill". There's no exception for theft of a trailer. I see numerous example of Jesus forgiving those who have sinned. I see where Jesus says, "If a man steal your coat, give him also your shirt".
Natural law says that a man has a right to his property. It does not give him the right to kill someone to keep it. There are laws which were instituted to protect property. Failing to use those laws leads to anarchy.
Your ultra-macho philosophy is laughable.
We have laws? Surely you jest. Selective enforcement makes a mockery of the system.

And, you quote Jesus back at us? I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry.

[Robert Goren]

As despicable as stealing a trailer from an 82 year old is, there is no place that would give anyone the death sentence for doing it. That said, why is this any different from an armored car shooting at would be robbers? Only the value of what is being stolen is different.

[DJofSD]

Death sentence. Gee whiz, I didn't know there had been a trial and found to be guilty of murdering some one.

[fast4522]

As despicable as stealing a trailer from an 82 year old is, there is no place that would give anyone the death sentence for doing it. That said, why is this any different from an armored car shooting at would be robbers? Only the value of what is being stolen is different.

I view it as more what happens outside is the call for 911 my personal choice for property but not for life. To expound if there is a weapon raised in the presents of my wife or the situation is dire for the life of myself or another I would dispatch with extreme prejudice. Minus a weapon that does not mean I would not shoot out a tire to keep what is mine. What I do find disturbing is cowardice of thieves picking on the elderly or infirmed as easy pray. Although I do not want to side with anyone on such a tough issue I default to being able to go home every night and being able to live within my own skin.

[jballscalls]

the only thing i worry about is where do you draw the line on what you can shoot someone for. what if i'm just walking by and use his garbage can to throw my coke cup away? can i be shot for that? I mean how often as a kid did we sneak onto old man Anderberg's plot and eat/steal raspberries from his plants? if he would have shot us would he have gotten off and would have been ok?

but on the other hand, i think if i'm in the 82 year olds place, granted i'd never own a gun, but if i did, i'd probably shoot at them too.

if i'm on the jury i wouldnt find him guilty in this case

[Tom]

As despicable as stealing a trailer from an 82 year old is, there is no place that would give anyone the death sentence for doing it. That said, why is this any different from an armored car shooting at would be robbers? Only the value of what is being stolen is different.

I would vote for that in a second.
I have no problem with taking out the trash.
A person who would do that is not fit to live among us. I would pull the switch myself. And make s'mores over his smoldering remains.

[gl45]

mostpost,
you are a moron.
Moron:
a mentally retarded person having a potential mental age of between 8 and 12 years and capable of doing routine work under supervision.
I didn't know what a moron was, so i had to look in the Dic.

[DJofSD]

I can't remember: is a moron smarter than an idiot?

[fast4522]

There are states in this country you can protect your property and the law does provide. What seems to hit a nerve is we are doing the what if to what already has happened. I have the ability to see both sides and I feel most here do as well without a absolute need for advanced college degree. I do feel for the older folks being taxed out of homes they have always lived in, and not only having their bones picked to death by the local municipal taxes but also by the local vermin. Combine all of it plus in some cases in high crime areas where if there is a call made, how long it takes for help to respond is always long gone and Scot free if not prioritized. Then to debate such with people who you know in your heart you would deplore as neighbors.

[jballscalls]

maybe the answer is to shoot them, then bring them in the house so the cops think that they were in the house trying to rob and or hurt him!

[JustRalph]

Deadly force in property crimes is a no-no. But when he gets in front of his vehicle and draws down on them and they try to run him over.........all bets are off........... this is what the old man says happen....he says they tried to run him over......now they are no longer committing a simple theft offense. They are committing a robbery and or a theft offense using force. Depending on the state law, that could change everything.

Let's pray for a jury with common sense

[fast4522]

Chapter 9 of the Texas Penal Code describes deadly force as justified to prevent arson, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night, or to prevent a suspect from fleeing if the property owner "reasonably believes the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."

"You hear someone stealing something off your front porch. You come out there with a gun, and they're running off. It's nighttime. The law in Texas allows you to shoot them," said former Dallas County prosecutor Toby Shook.

Pull that crap in Texas

[fast4522]

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[highnote]

Without hearing all the facts in a court of law it's hard to know if the 82 year old man is guilty.

However, judging from what the newspaper is reporting it seems to me the 82 year old man was within his rights. Also, given the rap sheet of the perps it sounds like these guys are lucky they didn't get shot at sooner.

[Robert Goren]

fast45, I am not sure I agree with everything in that post, I do agree about only flying the American Flag. We are not Mexico, England, Canada, France, Iraq, Ireland, China, Israel or the Confederate States of America.

[mostpost]

Deadly force in property crimes is a no-no. But when he gets in front of his vehicle and draws down on them and they try to run him over.........all bets are off........... this is what the old man says happen....he says they tried to run him over......now they are no longer committing a simple theft offense. They are committing a robbery and or a theft offense using force. Depending on the state law, that could change everything.

Let's pray for a jury with common sense
If what the old man says is true the shooting would be justified. It appears that the District Attorney believes it is not true. Why might he think that way.
From the link I provided in my original post:
Robert Wallace (81), residing at 3749 Sheridan Blvd., in Wheat Ridge, called the Wheat Ridge Police Department to report that his trailer had been stolen.
Mr. Wallace did not tell the officer that anything more had occurred other than his trailer being stolen at that time.
It seems to me that shooting at someone is a fact a person would want to mention to the police.
Wheat Ridge detectives returned to 3749 Sheridan Blvd. to re-interview Robert Wallace.
Mr. Wallace never reported to Wheat Ridge Police that he felt in fear of his life during the theft.
Mr. Wallace denied to detectives that he had shot at anyone during the trailer theft.

You (JR) say that "the old man" claimed the thieves tried to run him down. Nowhere in the clarification statement issued by the Wheat Ridge police department does it say that. In fact it says that :
Mr. Wallace never reported to Wheat Ridge Police that he felt in fear of his life during the theft.
From the report:
A search warrant was obtained and served for 3749 Sheridan Blvd. Evidence was collected in this case.
One can only speculate at what evidence was collected at the home and at the hospital and in the truck. Perhaps the angle of the bullet hole in the window of the truck was inconsistent with a shot at a truck bearing down on a person. We don't know if Mr. Wallace came out from the back of his house or the front. Perhaps the evidence or Mr Wallace himself told investigators it was from the back. In which case it is highly unlikely the perpetrators tried to run him down.

Now I'm sure someone is going to come on here and cry about how I want to let the thieves go free and put an 82 year old man in jail. If you do that be assured that I will know you are dumber than a box-a-rocks.
The thieves should go to jail (or be deported then thrown in jail) after a trial. On the basis of what I can surmise from the limited information, the DA has a case of sorts. Were I Mr. Wallace's attorney I would seek a plea bargain in which my client would serve no jail time, be on probation, and perform some appropriate community service.

[mostpost]

fast45, I am not sure I agree with everything in that post, I do agree about only flying the American Flag. We are not Mexico, England, Canada, France, Iraq, Ireland, China, Israel or the Confederate States of America.
Well you were making sense until you added the Confederate States of America. One of our very own posters has the Confederate Flag as his avatar.

[JustRalph]

from the Original article

"Wallace did not want to talk on camera, but when we asked him if the two men threatened him he said, "They almost ran me over."

Hey , just because I post an interesting article, incident or thread......doesn't mean I vouch for the entire story told by the old guy.

I have already agreed that depending on state law he may or may not be justified.........what the hell else do you want me to do? Act as his trial attorney?

[mostpost]

I believe the American flag should be the only one allowed in AMERICA !
What does that even mean? Certainly the American flag should never be displayed in an inferior position. Do you propose that foreign embassies or consulates not be allowed to fly their countries flag? Or that the United Nations plaza have onlythe American flag on display. And what about nationality based clubs. Should the Italian-American league not be allowed to display an Italian flag?-always below the American flag. Read the first amendment!!!!!

[mostpost]

from the Original article

"Wallace did not want to talk on camera, but when we asked him if the two men threatened him he said, "They almost ran me over."

Hey , just because I post an interesting article, incident or thread......doesn't mean I vouch for the entire story told by the old guy.

I have already agreed that depending on state law he may or may not be justified.........what the hell else do you want me to do? Act as his trial attorney?
I'm his attorney Would you like to be second chair?

[PaceAdvantage]

Well you were making sense until you added the Confederate States of America. One of our very own posters has the Confederate Flag as his avatar.Not everyone looks at that flag and sees what you see. I look at it and think "Dukes of Hazzard" from Warner Bros. pictures. Loved that show as a kid too...

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[TrifectaMike]

...I see where Jesus says, "If a man steal your coat, give him also your shirt".


I see where TrifectaMike says, " If a man steal your wife, give him also Mostpost's wife".

Mike

[fast4522]

I do not care what some old codger said 25 years ago, but this 82 year old respectable gent says they nearly ran him down in this time frame. If it goes to court someone is going to get egg on their face. Plus those who decide to bind him over for trial may be thinking of elected public office in the back of their head and decide not to proceed. I would not comment how I would go if on a jury but I would bet in this one if it does go to trial. Again more filth from the left wing filth factory.